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dresseme
Posted: January 5th, 2010, 2:45am Report to Moderator
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Fair enough. It's quite perturbing that a number of my friends and I share a similar friendship... minus the longing looks.. I'll watch my step now!



It's really more about the attitude they have towards one another.  I don't know...if you were to watch it again with an eye for this, I think you might see something.  Either way, I think it's an interesting dimension that certainly doesn't take away from the film.
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How did you feel about the undertones of homoeroticism laced throughout this version?  


I think it's consistent with the books.

It's clear that Holmes loves Watson more deeply than any woman.

Irene Adler is the only woman Holmes ever expresses an interest in and it seems it's more because she is a problem to solve and not because he loves her.

He often makes comments about how women make no sense and despite being charming to them, he never gives the sense he is sexually attracted to them.

I remember a line from Sign from Four, which luckily I found on wikipedia:


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"I assure you that the most winning woman I ever knew was hanged for poisoning three little children for their insurance-money..." This references Holmes' lack of interest in relationships with women in general, and clients in particular, as Watson states that "there is something positively inhuman in you at times"


On the other hand, when Watson gets  wounded, Sherlock gets pretty distraught and is welling up.

This is the closest they ever get to declaring their love:

In "The Adventure of the Three Garridebs", Watson is wounded in a confrontation with a villain; while the bullet wound proves to be "quite superficial," Watson is moved by Holmes' reaction:


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"It was worth a wound; it was worth many wounds; to know the depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that cold mask. The clear, hard eyes were dimmed for a moment, and the firm lips were shaking. For the one and only time I caught a glimpse of a great heart as well as of a great brain. All my years of humble but single-minded service culminated in that moment of revelation


I think most modern readers would categorise Holmes as being in love with Watson, in a romantic and hence homosexual sense.

The old holding a dying lover in the arms is a staple of romantic literature and Conan Doye uses it with Holmes and Watson. I think he was being more than a little suggestive.

It's never explicit though. You could argue that Holmes is  manic depressive and clearly more than a little unusual, so just finds it hard to relate to women and people in general so Wtason being his only true friend is obviously of great importance to him.

It depends how keen you are to categorise people.

Like I say, it's clear that he genuinely loves Watson though on some level.

If pushed, I'd probably be more inclined to say that he is in love with Watson, but could never declare it for fear of losing him. I think that is quite fitting of the character.

As regards the film, it clearly and knowingly plays on this. Holmes plays the jealous lover and some of the dialogue between Holmes and Watson is reminiscent of a married couple.

I think they've stuck the woman in there to cloud the issue, but the film definitely has homosexual undercurrents.

That's why I love Holmes though, totally unique, even now.

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I remember reading awhile back that the screenwriter planned on making the characters homosexual, but I don't believe he was going to explicitly state it.  This actually sparked quite a big debate on the boards, if memory serves me right.




Your memory does serve you right, and I believe I'm the one who popped up and said I wasn't interested in seeing the film if they were going to make the characters homosexual.  Not for any prejudice against homosexuals, but that I felt it took those characters where they didn't belong.  However, upon watching trailers for the movie, my love for Guy Ritchie movies took over, and I'd actually forgotten about that when we went to see it.  it wasn't until later at home that I'd remembered it, so I asked my wife if she'd seen anything like that in the film, and she thought the idea was silly, as she saw nothing like that.  I hadn't either, so that's why I'd asked her.


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Decent enough action sequences.
Plenty of characters to keep up with. < cough, cough >
Beautiful primary character development for both this and sequels.

http://www.raindance.co.uk/site/picture/upload/image/books/Sherlock_Holmes.pdf

(You homoerotic folk are looking for Jesus in your water stains, BTW.
As such, I suggest you check out Henry Poole is Here.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Poole_Is_Here


Oh, heavens! My eyes! My eyes! They burn!!!
PDF pg 2
DR. JOHN WATSON leaps out, runs back through the snow
along the embankment. Late 20’s, early 30’s, he is a
wiry, sun-battered veteran of the Afghanistan campaigns,
with eyes that have seen plenty.

The unfilmables burn!!!
LOL!
Rooks.




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Unsightly unfilmables on script's first page.
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Watch the first three sequences of the movie (Capture of Lord Blackwood/Bohemian Apartment at 221B Baker Street/Meeting Mary at the Royale) then read the first three sequences of the screenplay.

Understand what a "Proof of Concept" screenplay is and how your excruciatingly fathomed choice of precisely the right word will absolutely not matter.


Since many of the produced movie "screenplays" we see posted on the internet are actually transcripts of theatrical releases does anyone had a definitive answer on the following or just some pretty good guesses:
A: Does the primary credited writer get to do that or does he/she sign off of some underling production assistant's transcripting efforts?
B: Is there a way to get ahold of more of the original screenplays? Either the studio "locked" version or the last of the pink/yellow/green rewrites BEFORE the editor does his thang?



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