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Color me weird, but I think the Fly is mainly a love story..and yeah, it's romantic. Up until the baby maggot dream sequence, anyway The ending when Geena Davis finally deals with Brundlefly makes me cry. She still loves him. That's why it works on a higher level than most 'body-melt' movies.  It's a classic love story for me.


Thank you, sir, for beating me to the punch. The Fly is my favorite movie and it is absolutely a love story, among many other things, and one of the best there is at that. It's not understated either. Despite how grim the film is at large, the romantic angle is extremely palpable and touching right 'til the very end.

Keeping on topic, I have to say TDKR was pretty meh. The plotholes and logistical issues are there in spades and the fact that Christopher Nolan has proven himself the meticulous filmmaker he is should warrant the film being accountable for all of them, especially those in the final act. But at the end of the day, it's Batman and should be weighed first and foremost as entertainment. That said, I felt like where it was meant to be exciting, powerful, or poignant, it was weak and the moments where I was the most invested ended up being the moments I was the most let down. Throw a garbage villain on top of that and you've got a pretty lackluster film whose inadequacies are compounded by the existence of the two preceding films and twice over for the fact that it was the finale of the series and should've been out of the ballpark.

I think examining the film in it's own right, it was extremely ambitious in the best way and despite flying too close to the sun, it's a more or less successful genre work. Unfortunately, it being part of a trilogy that begs to be looked at collectively really, really hurts.


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Couple of quotes from Nolan about The Dark Knught Rises:

"We tried with all three [Batman] films, but in the most extreme way with "The Dark Knight Rises," what I call this sort of snowballing approach to action and events. We experimented with this in "The Dark Knight," where the action is not based on clean and clear set pieces the way "Batman Begins" was, but we pushed it much further in this film. The scope and scale of the action is built from smaller pieces that snowball together so you're cross-cutting, which I love doing, and trying to find a rhythm in conjunction with the music and the sound effects, so you're building and building tension continuously over a long sustained part of the film, and not releasing that until the very last frame. It's a risky strategy because you risk exhausting your audience, but to me it's the most invigorating way of approaching the action film. It's an approach I applied with "Inception" as well, to have parallel strands of tension rising and rising and then coming together. In "The Dark Knight Rises," from the moment the music and sound drop and the little boy starts singing "The Star-Spangled Banner," it's kind of like the gloves are coming off. I've been amazed and delighted how people have accepted the extremity of where things go."

"For me, "The Dark Knight Rises" is specifically and definitely the end of the Batman story as I wanted to tell it, and the open-ended nature of the film is simply a very important thematic idea that we wanted to get into the movie, which is that Batman is a symbol. He can be anybody, and that was very important to us. Not every Batman fan will necessarily agree with that interpretation of the philosophy of the character, but for me it all comes back to the scene between Bruce Wayne and Alfred in the private jet in "Batman Begins," where the only way that I could find to make a credible characterization of a guy transforming himself into Batman is if it was as a necessary symbol, and he saw himself as a catalyst for change and therefore it was a temporary process, maybe a five-year plan that would be enforced for symbolically encouraging the good of Gotham to take back their city. To me, for that mission to succeed, it has to end, so this is the ending for me, and as I say, the open-ended elements are all to do with the thematic idea that Batman was not important as a man, he's more than that. He's a symbol, and the symbol lives on."

The first quote is especially pertinent. I urge you to give this film a second viewing if you haven't already.


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the dark knight was the last time I ever went to the cinema. I loathed it with a passion and I have been a Batman fan since I was a kid.




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It's funny. When I saw it for the first time, I couldn't figure out what those plot hioles were. When folks pointed them out to me, I thought, okay, that does seem a bit odd. In recent weeks however, I have rewatched it, and each time I do, I find the "plot holes" are less...and less...

I chalk it all up to four major things.

1 - It's a great film, but not on same plateau as the previous film.

2 - The nitpickers were distracted/didn't pay attention

3 - Real time and movie time are two different things. For example, Bane's attack on Gotham's stock exchange in "real time" was at least a few hours while in "movie time" was a few minutes. During the holdup, it rained outside and the sun was going down.

4 - There is/was no need to show scenes/possible scenes which repeated steps from the previous two films. Thus, when Wayne escapes the Pit, with no income...do we really need to see the methods he used in 'Batman Begins' where he traveled across the globe studying the criminal underworld? Not to merntion his training in the LoS? Worst case he called Alfred for help.



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It's funny. When I saw it for the first time, I couldn't figure out what those plot hioles were. When folks pointed them out to me, I thought, okay, that does seem a bit odd. In recent weeks however, I have rewatched it, and each time I do, I find the "plot holes" are less...and less...

I chalk it all up to four major things.

1 - It's a great film, but not on same plateau as the previous film.

2 - The nitpickers were distracted/didn't pay attention

3 - Real time and movie time are two different things. For example, Bane's attack on Gotham's stock exchange in "real time" was at least a few hours while in "movie time" was a few minutes. During the holdup, it rained outside and the sun was going down.

4 - There is/was no need to show scenes/possible scenes which repeated steps from the previous two films. Thus, when Wayne escapes the Pit, with no income...do we really need to see the methods he used in 'Batman Begins' where he traveled across the globe studying the criminal underworld? Not to merntion his training in the LoS? Worst case he called Alfred for help.



Ok fine, DJS. I'll give it another chance.
But if I don't like it. It's your fault.

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It's funny. When I saw it for the first time, I couldn't figure out what those plot hioles were. When folks pointed them out to me, I thought, okay, that does seem a bit odd. In recent weeks however, I have rewatched it, and each time I do, I find the "plot holes" are less...and less...

I chalk it all up to four major things.

1 - It's a great film, but not on same plateau as the previous film.

2 - The nitpickers were distracted/didn't pay attention

3 - Real time and movie time are two different things. For example, Bane's attack on Gotham's stock exchange in "real time" was at least a few hours while in "movie time" was a few minutes. During the holdup, it rained outside and the sun was going down.

4 - There is/was no need to show scenes/possible scenes which repeated steps from the previous two films. Thus, when Wayne escapes the Pit, with no income...do we really need to see the methods he used in 'Batman Begins' where he traveled across the globe studying the criminal underworld? Not to merntion his training in the LoS? Worst case he called Alfred for help.



Not sure I agree with point 3, but agree with gist. This film is doing incredibly well to not be considered a complete disaster after Dark Knight. I loved Ledger, but Joker was not his best performance - will always be his Ennis Del Mar.


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