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Checked this out after the two yes votes. Glad I did. Nasty, fun, and gory in equal measures -- great flick, for me.
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Don't understand what all the excitement was about regarding either Wolf Creek film. Both were as shit as each other.

Australians really struggle to make good movies considering the amount of talented actors we have.

I'm sure the series will be as much of a let down as the films.

Australia struggle to make good movies? Come on, man! Have faith in Australian cinema! We're only little, but we do nudge the movie bizz with our skillz.

A few of my all time favs are Australian made.

Considering most, if not all, of our A-list actors piss off to The States when they make it, we have still produced some fucking banger movies with small time actors. Pretty good for a country of 23 mil peeps.
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What movies exactly are you talking about? The Castle, The Dish. Both ancient now, what recent, great Australian movies are there?

I will have faith in Australian cinema when they produce something worthy of having faith in.

Without trying to directly offend you, Brandon, because I know you are trying to break in and are producing your own shorts, but the one stipulation I have on my shorts being produced is that they not be produced by Australians. I'd rather they not be made than have that, at least until there is some sort of game changer.


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Well, from reading the replies on this thread I think it's safe to say the Wolf Creek movies are good, haha.

A few from the past 10-15 years are: Animal Kingdom, Mad Max, Happy Feet, Red Dog, Ned Kelly, Looking for Alabrandi, Candy, Gettin' Square, Snowtown, The Great Gatsby, Paper Planes, Kenny, Chopper, Australia, Last Cab to Darwin, Moulin Rouge, Crocodile Dundee 2, Rabit-Proof Fence, Crackerjack, Jindabyne, Rogue... I could go on, but you get the point. These are just the movies I have seen myself. There are many, many more. Not to mention all the blockbusters being filmed here in the past year.. Thor 3, Pirates of the Carribian, Skull Island..

Now if you break it down to the "greats" some of those may not make the list, but how many "greats" has America produced in the last 10 years? If you work out the ratio of people to movies, I'm sure we're kicking their ass.


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the one stipulation I have on my shorts being produced is that they not be produced by Australians. I'd rather they not be made than have that, at least until there is some sort of game changer

I respect you as a writer and a person, but this is the problem. An Australian writer of you drive and skill set could just be that game changer... Why not change your standards for your next short and let an Australian producer take it on. I bet ya you'll love it  
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10 to 15 isn't really recent.

I guess as with all things cinema it's subjective. From your extensive list I would say there are maybe 2 great films and a few okay ones, the rest I personally think are shit.

I am not talking about films made on Australian soil like Thor, lots of Hollywood blockbusters are made here, I'm talking about more extensive Australian cast, crew and writer involvement. I feel as a whole we can't get it right. I recently watched Hunt for the wilderpeople a kiwi film, they are such a small nation and I thought it was way better than any Aussie film I'd ever seen.

Again, this is all my opinion. I believe wolf creek killed it at the box office but then so did the Twilight Saga haha

My list for American greats over the last 10 year would go on forever, seriously? I'm not trying to break it down into a ratio, I just think something is missing and I don't quite know what it is.


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I was born in New Zealand, so yeah. We do kick ass. I'm just trying to defend our older brother.
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Warren, you offend every good, and even great Aussie filmmaker with your comment. And I can only imagine you're trying to provoke in some way. Ever heard of Bluetongue productions - Nash and Joel Edgerton? Nash made lots of top class shorts. Look Tropfest up. Hey, look up Tropfest, period. They're all shorts, some of them average story wise, but most are terrific, some standouts.

Joel wrote and directed, starred in and produced The Gift. Does that make it not made by an Australian talent, cause he's now a part of the Hollywood machine?

I could go on about Baz and George, Wan & Whanell et al.

Harvie Krumpet scored Adam Eliot an academy award: best animated.

You stipulate your 'shorts' not be produced by Aussies?! Sounds like a real prejudice to me. So any other country of origin filmmaker is okay?

Spesh's feature was picked up and produced by Aussie film producers. Ask him what he thinks of them and the final product?

Lantana. Seen it?
Two Hands which put Rose Byrne and Heath Ledger on the map. You should watch that if you haven't, though you might give the argument that was made last century. So what? You think they're the only Aussie talent around now?

It's a small industry, granted, and I'd love to see more high calibre, top quality films being produced here. I agree with you on that. But it's usually about money.

I don't know exactly where your views come from but it sounds to me like your confusing the often small independent Aussie films that come out and don't make it onto the world stage compared to U.S. Blockbusters and even the films that don't make big bucks.

Imh however, you're being terribly short-sighted to say the least. And to not give your fellow Aussies even a stab at your work? Flummoxed, and a whole lot of other words I'm too polite to use.

Edit: You seem to be drawing a correlation between great Australian movies and the relative small number of them and Aussie short filmmakers not being equipped enough in talent to make a good fist of your short screenplays. Two different topics, the latter completely unproven cause they'll never get the opportunity.



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No, I stand by everything I said. Again my opinion, one you do not have to and obviously don't share. I will still sleep tonight.

I agree that The Gift and Joel are great, I didn't say every Aussie film ever made in the history of cinema was bad. I am saying that in my opinion they don't get it right as a whole.

No need to be condescending because you don't share my veiws. I know what tropfest is and I have watched many of the god awful entries hoping for my veiws to be swayed.

Just because something is picked up and made does not make it good, I include my own shorts in that statement. It means someone saw something in it, that's all.



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Is Michael's suicide theory the level we are hoping to achieve? Is that a great Australian film?


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Is Michael's suicide theory the level we are hoping to achieve? Is that a great Australian film?

I don't know, I haven't seen it. Michael seems pretty pleased with the level of production and I do know he spoke in glowing terms re the filmmakers. Other than that, you'd have to ask him.

I don't think every film that wins awards is great though either.

At this stage I'll be happy to see a final cut of one of my shorts. That doesn't mean I'm not discerning, as much as I can be...

But neither of those things were really the main topic at hand, like I said.

I have no wish to have an ongoing debate with you Warren, nor was it my intention to be condescending though I can now see you interpreted it that way. Granted,  I was offended with the blanket stipulation you have and was merely pointing out my opinion of your opinion, and pointing out what I regard as your flawed opinion full of bias.

I hoped I might encourage you to be more open minded. Sadly not.

And, I'm glad you won't lose any sleep over it.
I won't either. That'd be silly because neither my opinion nor yours will budge.

I'll just be lucky to get any sleep at all in this stinking hot Aussie Summer night.


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I believe wolf creek killed it at the box office but then so did the Twilight Saga haha.  


Killed what at the box office?  Released on Christmas day, 2005, the original Wolf Creek grossed $16 Million at the NABO, and $28 Million WW.  Hardly a killing, but definitely a money maker, based on the low Production costs, which were somewhere around $1 Million, but I've read different amounts, so really hard to say exactly.

Wolf Creek 2 wasn't even theatrically released here in the states.

Many agree with you that the original wasn't anything very special, but those opinions are coming from those who don't really know their horror...because this was true horror - no holds barred, no punches pulled, take no prisoners horror, which you rarely see these days (or those days of 11 years ago).

I don't give a fuck where a movie is made or by who.  Seems kind of strange you do.  If a movie is good, I'm happy.  If a movie sucks balls or arses, I'm not surprised, cuz most do.

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Jeff, if you can get it take a look at the Wolf Creek follow up mini-series. I will be interested in what you think of it.


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Jeff, that is what is meant. It was a money maker because of the low budget. I was only talking about the original, the second one is an embarrassment.

True horror, not so sure about that. I didn't find any of it horrific but like the last OWC we definitely found out that people have very different ideas of what constitutes horror.

I generally don't care where a movie is made either, my favorite is a Spanish subtitled film. There have been great movies made almost everywhere at some point, including Australia. If people do back to what I originally said it's that as a whole I don't think we do a very good job of it here in Australia for the most part.

Another thing, my shorts are just that, mine. Who I chose to make them, if someone decides to, is completely up to me. That's not prejudice, that is my right.

Like most in Australia I have not seen The Suicide Theory as I don't believe it is even available for viewing on Netflix in it's own country of production. Not sure too many writers are going to say the only feature they had made was crap. It's good that he is happy with it though.

I also know that a few people on SS have seen it and have given it great reviews, problem is there are so many back slappers and ego strokers here that sometimes it's hard to tell.

Also as far as offending every Aussie filmmaker, well that's just ridiculous as I never said that everyone was bad.

I'd say offensive was when Micheal said he was too good for the rest of us amateur hour writters and our useless critiques of his work when Jeff mearly gave him a review. Funnly enough everyone basically ate that one up, pretty sure I was the only one that called him on the insult.


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I'd say offensive was when Micheal said he was too good for the rest of us amateur hour writters and our useless critiques of his work when Jeff mearly gave him a review. Funnly enough everyone basically ate that one up, pretty sure I was the only one that called him on the insult.

Did he legit say that?  Hahahahahahahahaha
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A few from the past 10-15 years are: Animal Kingdom, Mad Max, Happy Feet, Red Dog, Ned Kelly, Looking for Alabrandi, Candy, Gettin' Square, Snowtown, The Great Gatsby, Paper Planes, Kenny, Chopper, Australia, Last Cab to Darwin, Moulin Rouge, Crocodile Dundee 2, Rabit-Proof Fence, Crackerjack, Jindabyne, Rogue...


To be fair, Mad Max Fury Road, Happy Feet, Australia, The Great Gatsby, Moulin Rouge etc, aren't really Australian films. They have Australian talent involved but aren't really Australian films. They are big budget Hollywood films.

That said, some good movies have come out of Australia, all though nothing great off the top of my head.
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