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leitskev
Posted: October 21st, 2016, 11:16am Report to Moderator
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I hear you. As I watched I almost winced, realizing that instead of building the kind of story momentum needed to hold an audience, it seemed to be plodding along. Part of the reason I like the show is because I'm interested in those topics already...what it means to be conscious and stuff related to that. So I do worry this show is going to fizzle out if it doesn't pick up soon.
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I'm still in, although not hooked. At this point, it seems the driving forces of the show are/will be the philosophical themes and the minutia of the park/corporation. The plot seems to have an obvious endgame (the robots learn what they are and fight back), so I don't think they can maintain tension based on that alone.

What concerns me most at this point is the characters. Personally, with the exception of the Gunslinger/Man in Black (Dark Tower anyone?), I'm not sure they're compelling enough to carry the show. Dolores works because of ERW's performance and her transitioin from an idyllic, optimistic worldview to seeing what's behind the curtain could be an interesting one, but the internal struggle of a robot questioning their reality could've been applied to any of the other characters, since the fact that it is a robot experiencing these things is front and center.

Beyond that, the characters are more or less archetypes and their experiences are in service of the themes. It makes sense that this would be the case for the robots, since their simple narratives and characteristics would be in service of the guests at the park, but that doesn't change the fact that they're totally familiar to us, what with so many Westerns out there. Beyond that, the death of Jeffrey Wright's child as a motivator for his character feels very lowest-common-denominator for me. I understand it's extremely relatable, but unless they bring some fresh nuance to the table, it's not enough for me personally. The corporate "antagonists" are typically soulless and profit-driven, not to mention Wright sleeping with the boss is trite AF. Ford, while well-written, seems like the kind of character Hopkins always plays, and as a Chrichton archetype in and of himself, he lacks the exuberance that made the similar character of John Hammond so intriguing.

Maybe I'm just trying to shoot holes in the show too early on. That's entirely possible, as nothing is really all that problematic for me (yet) per se. It could easily be that I'm affected by the pace as much as everyone else and am waiting for things to pick up (not sure). But for whatever reason, I have felt a slight waning of my enthusiasm from episode to episode. Honestly more invested in Atlanta at this point.


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Episode 3 was not a strong one, IMO.  In fact, it took me 2 viewings to get through it, as I was quite bored.

I'm not giving up and actually got HBO and Cinemax for 3 months so I can keep watching.


Concur - thought it faded a bit - but I will be a watcher till the end.


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TonyDionisio
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I turned it off halfway through ep.3. I just don't see a character I like.
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leitskev
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I'm really worried about this show now, after 4 episodes. Because if it fails they won't make anymore shows like it.

I sense in the show's story crafting the annoying hand of JJ Abrams. He built Lost on the power of the mystery box, but he also violates the trust of the viewer that the mystery box will actually lead to something, He establishes these mysteries and often they lead nowhere. That's screwing with the audience.

Westworld is not building storylines we care about, or characters we worry about. Delores is an effective character, but because she has no real dream except a vague notion of escape, and no bonds except the slightly growing one with a guest, it's hard to create stakes around her.

The storylines are all wondering. There are no real tangible goals, and it feels like too many mysteries have been thrown in like scraps to a dog.

I'm going to watch it all, but I suspect they will not get a season 2, which means much of this will be wasted watching.
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I've only watched the first 2 eps and they were great. Not liking all this negative talk. Hopefully it picks up.
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leitskev
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I like the show, Stuart, because I am already very interested in the topic of what it means to be conscious, and all related questions, such as the nature of reality. So I'm all in. But I see some very unfocused storytelling through 4 episodes. There's no sense of building toward anything. Not enough to hold the attention of a wide audience anyway. I hope I'm wrong.
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Dreamscale
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I still haven't watched the 4th episode...cuz...well...I don't know, but I don't feel very drawn to it, for some reason.

Or maybe it's because I'm now on Season 3 of Game of thrones and that is a show I look forward to every night, and lucky for me, I have some 38 more episodes to get caught up!  
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leitskev
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Season 6(whatever the most recent season was) is epic. Half hour long battle scenes. Like nothing I've ever seen on tv.
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Season 6(whatever the most recent season was) is epic. Half hour long battle scenes. Like nothing I've ever seen on tv.

Well, that would be a reason big enough for me NOT to watch. Same thing when I watch Vikings. Hubby likes more battles, I want more of the drama.


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Well, that would be a reason big enough for me NOT to watch. Same thing when I watch Vikings. Hubby likes more battles, I want more of the drama.


Plenty of drama in GOT to go around.
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GOT as more than enough of absolutly everything, that's why it is the greatest show of all time. Will take a lot for something to be an all round better show.

Just wish George would hurry up and finish a damn book, I mean come on! Lol
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leitskev
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The drama is constant, even in the battle scenes,
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I just don't like battles or lengthy action scenes. I find them dull as hell to watch and write.


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Dreamscale
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C'mon, peeps!  You want to discuss GOT, go to its thread!

I watched episode 4 last night and was far from impressed.  In fact, it was easily the worst episode so far, IMO.  Very dull, very repetitive, not very fun.

Not sure if I said this after watching episode 1 or, if I articulated it correctly, but IMO, the problem here is the POV of the show - the "Hosts".  This is a mistake and there's simply no way around it.

The obvious choice would be to show different guests come in each week and develop characters (even Hosts) through this.  I'm sure those in charge said this was too simple.

Then, we have the possibility of seeing things unfold through the eyes of the peeps behind the curtain, which is being done, but not well, IMO.

I'll keep watching, but I've lost alot of interest already, and that's not going to bode well for this show's future.
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