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No judgement on right or wrong here - but I don't think I've ever made a comment in the OWCs on the title page or logline. For me, in an OWC, they are irrelevant. For you they are important.
I know this isn't the point of your comments, Dave... but, I find it an interesting discussion point, so I'll pull it out for comment: I spend about 5 minutes on the logline and title. Which, is probably not a good idea. Many times I'll rework both after the contest is over... but, I do think it hurts my reads... and since these things are posted for anyone to view, I probably should take them more seriously right from the start. You never know who might be lurking on these boards.
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I know this isn't the point of your comments, Dave... but, I find it an interesting discussion point, so I'll pull it out for comment: I spend about 5 minutes on the logline and title. Which, is probably not a good idea. Many times I'll rework both after the contest is over... but, I do think it hurts my reads... and since these things are posted for anyone to view, I probably should take them more seriously right from the start. You never know who might be lurking on these boards.
I don't disagree here at all. I think one should attempt to write the best logline and title that they should. Always.
It's just me in terms of what I review an OWC for - I hardly ever read the logline cause I'm going to read the script anyway and only really notice clever titles - and it has no bearing on my vote anyway. So - I was really just talking about what I care about as an OWC reader. Some readers think the logline and title are important review elements - I certainly don't fault them for that POV.
The Logline and Title are not important to me, but if they're all fucked up, I'm definitely going to let the writer know that. They give me a good idea of what I'm in store for, too.
I don't disagree here at all. I think one should attempt to write the best logline and title that they should. Always.
It's just me in terms of what I review an OWC for - I hardly ever read the logline cause I'm going to read the script anyway and only really notice clever titles - and it has no bearing on my vote anyway. So - I was really just talking about what I care about as an OWC reader. Some readers think the logline and title are important review elements - I certainly don't fault them for that POV.
Oh, yeah, I get what you're saying. I rarely note the title or the logline in my reviews... unless they really stand out. And I never consider them in grading.
Just saying that I'm slowly coming to realize I should put more effort into them even if it's "just" an OWC. (I'm really not very good at them, and I need to get better. So, what better way to practice than an OWC?)
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60 Feet Under - Low budget, contained thriller/Feature The Hand of God - Low budget, semi-contained thriller/Feature Wait Till Next Year - Disney-style family sports comedy/Feature
Many shorts available for production: comedy, thriller, drama, light horror
Oh, yeah, I get what you're saying. I rarely note the title or the logline in my reviews... unless they really stand out. And I never consider them in grading.
Just saying that I'm slowly coming to realize I should put more effort into them even if it's "just" an OWC. (I'm really not very good at them, and I need to get better. So, what better way to practice than an OWC?)
Responding to the above discussion...for me, I go into reading knowing the time constraints of a OWC. So personally, I never pat attention to the logline and I know dialog probably isn't at it's peak, and narratives aren't as edited as they would be if given more time and slugs aren't as polished. I am bothered if something is riddled with misspellings or really bad issues like narrative in the dialog. What I'm looking for is interesting characters and story. That's just me.
I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft. Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal. Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.
Responding to the above discussion...for me, I go into reading knowing the time constraints of a OWC. So personally, I never pat attention to the logline and I know dialog probably isn't at it's peak, and narratives aren't as edited as they would be if given more time and slugs aren't as polished. I am bothered if something is riddled with misspellings or really bad issues like narrative in the dialog. What I'm looking for is interesting characters and story. That's just me.
I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft. Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal. Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.
Responding to the above discussion...for me, I go into reading knowing the time constraints of a OWC. So personally, I never pat attention to the logline and I know dialog probably isn't at it's peak, and narratives aren't as edited as they would be if given more time and slugs aren't as polished. I am bothered if something is riddled with misspellings or really bad issues like narrative in the dialog. What I'm looking for is interesting characters and story. That's just me.
I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft. Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal. Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.
Well done, Marnie. I am pleased for you that life has settled down, it seems like it’s been a tough ride.
But like you, I missed writing. I took a break for a different reason, but it still felt like I left a gap. I kept on being asked, ‘how’s the writing?’ When I wasn't doing any.
I’m not sure I would have the ‘balls’ to do what you’ve done this time - I’ve always had to work hard to produce anything meaningful as writing doesn’t come naturally. Stories I see, writing them is harder.
Indeed, It took me a few years to realise I don’t have the thick skin needed for this profession, but I still like to write. But if you don’t try, you don’t begin.
Hope my feedback was ok.
If you had seen mine after two hours it would have been both unfinished and a joke...well more than it became.
The Elevator Most Belonging To Alice - Semi Final Bluecat, Runner Up Nashville Inner Journey - Page Awards Finalist - Bluecat semi final Grieving Spell - winner - London Film Awards. Third - Honolulu Ultimate Weapon - Fresh Voices - second place IMDb link... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7062725/?ref_=tt_ov_wr
The Elevator Most Belonging To Alice - Semi Final Bluecat, Runner Up Nashville Inner Journey - Page Awards Finalist - Bluecat semi final Grieving Spell - winner - London Film Awards. Third - Honolulu Ultimate Weapon - Fresh Voices - second place IMDb link... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7062725/?ref_=tt_ov_wr
I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft. Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal. Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.
I spent four and a half days on mine, revised it twice and still missed stuff. The palm of my right hand is still stuck to my forehead like superglue. It's not a pretty sight. Neither is that script. First thing on the docket is giving the scream the walking papers, because the real screams were coming from my peeps reading the stuff. Not in a good way. Maybe it wasn't screaming, but actually cruel sadistic laughter.
Oh yeah. Screw Suburban Homes too. I hate them now.