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Dreamscale
Posted: January 9th, 2013, 10:24am Report to Moderator
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Will, I totally disagree with you...pretty much everything you're saying here.

But that's OK.  What's not OK is the way you write with these HUGE blocks of text that is very hard to read and follow.

Please break up your paragraphs better when you go into these long winded rants.

Thank you!  
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WillJonassen
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Word.


The Cameron and Scorsese side-by-side interview on 3d applications truly is an interesting view, and worth at least some muddling over. Brow-raising, in fact.

Like the overall debate, of course, the viewer may react the the discussion presented with shades of their own viewpoint, interpreting how they will.

My stance is anti-business, pro-art/pro-moral, and so I take those messages from it naturally. You may see the other.
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Dreamscale
Posted: January 9th, 2013, 7:36pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from WillJonassen


My stance is anti-business, pro-art/pro-moral, and so I take those messages from it naturally. You may see the other.


Me too, for the most part, maybe not the pro-moral part, but I despise big business.  It's screwed me over way too many times.

I think Cameron is the ultimate entertainer, actually, and I appreciate his work immensely.

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My favorite action movie - ever.

where james cameron NAILED this sequel is he used the "BOO!" factor Ridley Scott established in ALIEN to set up his (masterfully staged) action scenes.

Ridley Scott left James Cameron an easy lay-up for a sequel - and Cameron slam dunked it.

he took everything Ridley Scott set up in Alien and ramped it up to about Mach-10.

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I may be picking over words here, Dreamscale, but if you phrase it that way, I'm forced to agree. It's a different beast, sorta. He's been an entertainer and personality of immense value, faults be damned for this particular post. Literally, he carries a huge entertainment value and an established "brand" to his own name everywhere he goes.

That can't be ignored.

Maybe... sadly... I've been pushed away from the value of entertainment to something else, and carry the burden of feeling a need to impart some message before I go. Be it stapled to the forehead or subtly taped to the back of someone's shirt, by any means... but it undoubtedly skews my perspective on everything.


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Ridley Scott left James Cameron an easy lay-up for a sequel - and Cameron slam dunked it.


As to Scott... That he did!
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I really don't understand your objections to Aliens, Will. I think pre-Titanic Cameron was a genius. Post-Titanic Cameron is a looney. I don't know if he just thinks too much of himself nowadays or what. I mean Spielberg's got nothing to prove anymore, but he still cranks out movies every year or two. Cameron's going, what, two in 15 years? Terrence Malick's even catching up to him! TERRENCE. MALICK. Talk about the tortoise and the hare.

The only reasonable explanation for your take on Aliens is that you're just disappointed it's got a different tone than Alien. Which is understandable, since Alien was such a unique film with a unique vibe to it. Aliens is almost the opposite in terms of pacing, visuals, sound, music, acting, etc. But I think Cameron, in addition to making a loud, action-packed thriller, also carried over some of Scott & Co.'s anti-corporate themes from Alien and added his own themes of motherhood and feminism to it. He also formed a very natural continuation of Ripley's story. Plus, the louder aspects--the action, the acting, the pacing, the music--were all extremely well-executed. Better than most movies have since. I love the score, even if Horner's recycled it to death since then.

The only thing scarier than Alien is how you deny yourself from enjoying such an awesome movie. You're entitled to your opinion and that's okay, but life is too short not to enjoy the hell out of Aliens! Get over your objections, oblige the kid inside, and love this movie again, dude. I hated Jerry Goldsmith for a while. I got over it and now I hate that I even thought of hating his music at one point. It's okay. What's not okay is not fixing this.


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Cameron worked on documentaries between Titanic and Avatar...people seem to forget that.


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Quoted from TheUsualSuspect
Cameron worked on documentaries between Titanic and Avatar...people seem to forget that.


Because he went off the deep end.


"I remember a time of chaos. Ruined dreams. This wasted land. But most of all, I remember The Road Warrior. The man we called 'Max'."

THE PINBALL WARRIOR (scifi, WIP, ~30 pg.)
A STAND AGAINST EVIL (short, 9 pg.)
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