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Filth Animal episode 2 of Horrific Tales of the Wickedly Macabre by Michael J. Kospiah (Wraparound Story Written by Sean Chipman) - Short, Horror - A mysterious animal control officer teaches an abusive dog owner what it's like to be treated like an animal. 28 pages




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Hey Michael,

Enjoyed the tale.

Thoughts (Spoilers!):

How does Dwight’s ex girlfriend know about his “condition”? Lol.

For some odd reason, I imagined Dwight as an actual dog but guess I was wrong. I think it will be better if he was. But I’ve been wrong before in my advice.

Hope this helps, Gabe


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As always - well written! Mostly nit issues for me,


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INT. IROC-Z – NIGHT


I’d definitely go with Camaro in the header

There are a lot of song rights are going to need for this one.  Normally, I don't even mention it since a known song cited is just typically for moo setting so who cares if you get that exact one or not. In this case the specific song lyrics feed specific plot points (e.g. establishing the year for example) - that my be a problem.

Don’t think you need this.


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DWIGHT
(murmurs)
Where the fuck...?


PAGE 12/13 – Could be just me but I got confused here not quite realizing that Dwight was now the dog until really the 2nd time it happened. Maybe it’s just me – a suggestion. Maybe change to:

WOMAN JOGGER runs past. But stops, back pedals. Jogging in
place while staring toward the yard.

Walkman, playing “PARTY ALL THE TIME” by EDDIE MURPHY.

Her POV: the Pitbull chained to the pole rather than Dwight.


DWIGHT (CONT’D)
Thank God...

Pulls on his chain, short on breath.

DWIGHT (CONT’D)
(exhausted)
Please... help me...

She shakes her head in pity.

WOMAN JOGGER
You poor thing.


Anyway – just a thought.


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DWIGHT (CONT’D)
What, are you kids blind or just
stupid? I need help, here! Now do
me a favor and get our parents--


Our parents or your parents?

I did not like this:


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FRITZINGER (CONT’D)
I know all about you, Dwight. How
your father left you when you were
a kid. How your mother died from a
drug overdose. And how you bounced
around from foster home to foster
home. Getting abused. Beaten.
Like... an animal


I didn't really want a parachute for Dwight - i.e., an explanation for his cruelness and in particular this one since it kind of takes him off the hook for his actions. I actually would have preferred it just the inverse. i.e., Fritzinger rumimating about how in most cases cruelty is a matter of nuture - abusive parents, etc. - But not  in your case, Dwight.  You're just a cruel prick. And for no reason.

Anyway - enjoyed it - good work


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Dave, regarding the opening and closing, those weren't Michael's fault, they were mine. A continuation of the wraparound from part 1.


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Dave, regarding the opening and closing, those weren't Michael's fault, they were mine. A continuation of the wraparound from part 1.


Got it


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Nice work, guys and gals. The poster looks great!

Think I've read these before but nice to get a refresher.

I'm really getting into the wraparound story too. You're keeping me on the hook, Sean. The alternative history/time warp, Challenger reference is very nice. Not sure about some of the 'Then' slugs but everyone's a critic, right?

Now I know why Pia's avatar features an ugly roach.  

Still reading... Will come back.


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Thanks for getting episode 2 up, Don. Any way we can get all these episodes under one thread in the series section of the boards?

Michael, I'll be posting a review for your episode shortly.

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Hey Michael,

Enjoyed the tale.

Thoughts (Spoilers!):

How does Dwight’s ex girlfriend know about his “condition”? Lol.

For some odd reason, I imagined Dwight as an actual dog but guess I was wrong. I think it will be better if he was. But I’ve been wrong before in my advice.


Thanks for reading Gabe. To answer you and Dave in regards to Dwight appearing as a dog on screen as opposed to appearing as a human on screen while everyone treating him like a dog -- I dunno, I have a shorter version of this script that I lengthened to make part of Zack's horror thingie. And although people seem to like it (came top 10 in the one script comp I ever entered), it's a tough sell - people seem to hate filming with animal actors. And having like a "Homeward Bound" kinda thing going would give even more screen time to a dog. Also, it's more visually striking and provocative to have a naked human being with a cone around his neck, wearing a leash, etc. The story begins from the abused dog's POV, then Fritzinger's and then, once Dwight is hit with his ironic, Twilight Zoney, alternate reality punishment, the story takes place from his POV, though I didn't want to do POV shots constantly. I just thought it'd be more surreal to present him as a human being (because that's what he thinks he is) while everyone treats him like a dog.

RE: His ex-wife knowing that it's Dwight, she's in on this cosmic, karmic punishment because she was also a victim of Dwight's abuse.


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There are a lot of song rights are going to need for this one.  Normally, I don't even mention it since a known song cited is just typically for moo setting so who cares if you get that exact one or not. In this case the specific song lyrics feed specific plot points (e.g. establishing the year for example) - that my be a problem.


Thanks for reading, Dave. As for the songs, I kinda just added them to give an 80's vibe for Zack's 80's themed horror anthology. I actually wrote this a few years ago, but lengthened it by about 7 pages to get it closer to the length of the other stories in the anthology. And, I wasn't sure what the intentions of this anthology were at first, I assumed it was going to be pitched somewhere. But when I found out that it was just to post here on SS, I kinda just let it fly with the licensed music, not worrying about song rights. The shorter version doesn't have this.

I do like your suggestion about Dwight just being a bad dude instead of giving him leeway for his abusive behavior with a tortured past backstory.

-- Michael


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Wow. Michael, that's in response to the writing (very King-esque) and the impact of the story which packs a punch.
You definitely have a gift with painting great visuals and making us feel it.

Something about it reminded me of SK's Thinner - a great cautionary tale. Just the tone, I think.

WOMAN  JOGGER  runs  past.  But  stops,  back  pedals.  Jogging  in place  while  staring  sadly  at  the  dog,
I thought we'd see him naked, chained up, at that point. I had to keep track of when we were looking at dog and when we were looking at human. I read your response to Dave and Gabe btw.

The  same  PIT BULL  Dwight once  abuse. (small typo, abused) p.22.

Okay, I'm torn. From when we leave the Underground Den to the Dumpster, more on Angela and Fritzinger, and then the kids reappear?  I think it's a little overkill.

I thought it might end with Dwight going home with Angela to incur purgatory at her hands for the rest of his days but you instead continue with the perpetuation of violence (that being the message - violence begets more violence) with the kid's final decision.

This is horror so I get it, but I'm not fully sold on it turning full circle to the kids and their ultimate violent choice. There's a synchronicity to it but, I don't know, the Pollyanna in me wanted them to make a choice of kindness. That wouldn't work though would it, not in a horror anthology?

I loved a lot of the lines, especially 'we're all something... aren't we'?
Great work.


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Quoted from Zack
Thanks for getting episode 2 up, Don. Any way we can get all these episodes under one thread in the series section of the boards?...

I let Don know, Zack. Not sure if it needs to be an Admin thing otherwise I would give it a go myself. Thought I'd best check first.

* Bit the bullet. Moved to Series.
Don can decide...Maybe a Sticky once all Eps are up?  




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Hey Michael,

I haven't read the 1st episode yet. But, I liked this one. The entire Twilight Zone kind of thing going on here is very interesting.

Luckily, I didn't have any confusion regarding Dwight being Human/Dog. It was very clear that to others he is a dog, but to him, he is a human.

I agree with Dave. Don't make him sympathetic by telling us his abusive background. He is what he is.
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Hmm, I don't know...

This:

FRITZINGER (CONT’D)
I know all about you, Dwight. How
your father left you when you were
a kid. How your mother died from a
drug overdose. And how you bounced
around from foster home to foster
home. Getting abused. Beaten.
Like... an animal

The whole rest of the script hinges on this, doesn't it? That violence begets more violence. Doesn't really excuse Dwight, he could have had a mind of his own. It's the whole nature v nurture thing. Jmho.

What about the kids at the end? What's their excuse/reason?


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Now I know why Pia's avatar features an ugly roach.  

While Michael's story has a great point to it, I'm afraid mine is only there to gross you out. Nothing deeper than that.  


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While Michael's story has a great point to it, I'm afraid mine is only there to gross you out. Nothing deeper than that.  


There's nothing special about horror if every script is horrific in the same way. =)

In all fairness, I'm pretty sure mine can't actually even be classified as horror, so, at least, you've got that going for you, Pia. Lol.


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Hmm, I don't know...

This:

FRITZINGER (CONT’D)
I know all about you, Dwight. How
your father left you when you were
a kid. How your mother died from a
drug overdose. And how you bounced
around from foster home to foster
home. Getting abused. Beaten.
Like... an animal

The whole rest of the script hinges on this, doesn't it? That violence begets more violence. Doesn't really excuse Dwight, he could have had a mind of his own. It's the whole nature v nurture thing. Jmho.

What about the kids at the end? What's their excuse/reason?


JMMO - no. For me it kind of "unhinged" here.  It makes Dwight a victim because it is a litany of horrible things that happened to him, as opposed to horrible things he did.

It made me say... wait... does this guy really deserve this fate???? Am I rooting the wrong way here?

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Wow. Michael, that's in response to the writing (very King-esque) and the impact of the story which packs a punch.
You definitely have a gift with painting great visuals and making us feel it.

Something about it reminded me of SK's Thinner - a great cautionary tale. Just the tone, I think.


Thanks, Libby, appreciate. I actually loved "Thinner", as silly as it kinda was. The silliness was part of why I loved the universally panned movie.


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I thought it might end with Dwight going home with Angela to incur purgatory at her hands for the rest of his days but you instead continue with the perpetuation of violence (that being the message - violence begets more violence) with the kid's final decision.

This is horror so I get it, but I'm not fully sold on it turning full circle to the kids and their ultimate violent choice.


Well, part of the reason why I did that, other than for horror reasons, was to kinda make the reader/audience wonder why those kids would do this... what happened in their lives that made them so sadistic. I know I don't follow up on it, but I felt like it would be repetitive to do so when we've already done that with Dwight. It's just supposed to show how different levels of abusive can affect people differently. I wanted to the reader to ask the same question about the kids without really going into too much detail about it.


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Hey Michael,

I haven't read the 1st episode yet. But, I liked this one. The entire Twilight Zone kind of thing going on here is very interesting.

Luckily, I didn't have any confusion regarding Dwight being Human/Dog. It was very clear that to others he is a dog, but to him, he is a human.

I agree with Dave. Don't make him sympathetic by telling us his abusive background. He is what he is.


Thanks, bro, appreciate it. I do like the idea of him not being sympathetic and I particular like the direction of the dialogue that Dave suggested in Fritzinger's final mini-monologue. But I'll explain further down the page after Dave's quote...


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JMMO - no. For me it kind of "unhinged" here.  It makes Dwight a victim because it is a litany of horrible things that happened to him, as opposed to horrible things he did.

It made me say... wait... does this guy really deserve this fate???? Am I rooting the wrong way here?


That was pretty much the intention. As much of a piece of shit as Dwight is, death is a pretty extreme penalty, especially the torture he's been through. The point was to show how abuse can affect people (and animals) in different ways -- sometimes the abuse creates a monster. Sometimes, as in the case of the dog he abused as well as his wife, the victims of the abuse often never truly heal. And he suffers the consequence of that cycle - he suffers at the hands of his victims. And then, to further things, there's another cycle with the sadistic children that further determines his fate, another cycle of abuse he had no part of.

Though it would be effective to have a clear-cut evil bad guy getting his comeuppance, I wanted the reader question their own ideas of retribution and their own animalistic views on justice.

-- Michael


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And actually, Dave, I think I may have defeated my own argument.

Those Middle school boys - well, we have no idea of their backgrounds - be pretty coincidental if they all were victims of abuse too. They're probably just mean, without reason or excuse, so I'm coming around to your logic.
...
Just noticed your response, Michael... after I added my bit.
Now I'm really on the fence about giving Dwight a reason he turned out how he has.  


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Okay. After reading Michael's response, things are more clear to me.

By telling us Dwight's background, the ending becomes more philosophical. It gives depth to the kids as well. Do they also face abuse in their homes? Are they gonna face something similar in their future as well?

By not telling us his background, Dwight is our regular antagonist who deserves the punishment. The kids behave the way they are behaving because, well, they are kids.

The first way certainly gives depth and more meaning. But I wonder, from the point of view of the general audience, how many will get the deep meaning behind it?

The second way is more appropriate for the general audience. It will give them a sense of satisfaction that we get after watching the bad guys get punished.

You can go either way. Both work IMO.
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Those Middle school boys - well, we have no idea of their backgrounds - be pretty coincidental if they all were victims of abuse too. They're probably just mean, without reason or excuse, so I'm coming around to your logic.


Hm, guess it depends on what kind of abuse. I don't know a single person alive who hasn't been abused in some form or fashion at some point in their lives. I suppose it'd be very coincidental for each of those kids to have been abused the same way. But, when I was kid, I always became friends with people I had things in common with, people I could relate to. Most people in gangs usually had pretty tough upbringings, often dealing with abuse at home, drugs at home, etc. So, I really don't think it's THAT coincidental. Especially when kids are influenced by other kids, they do weird, mean shit sometimes, things they wouldn't do on their own. Like throwing rocks at animals, poking a dead animal w/ a stick (or one that looks dead), blowing shit up w/ M80's, etc. Some say kids just being kids, though I think it's safe to say there's been some errors in their parenting.


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The first way certainly gives depth and more meaning. But I wonder, from the point of view of the general audience, how many will get the deep meaning behind it?

The second way is more appropriate for the general audience. It will give them a sense of satisfaction that we get after watching the bad guys get punished.


Not really sure if there's much of a difference to the general audience -- the dude hurt an animal so, in the context of a film, they're going to want him to die in the most brutal, animalistic way possible whether he had a tough upbringing or not. Serial killers generally have experienced abuse as children and nobody really paints them as sympathetic characters. The difference here is that Dwight hit a dog and abused his ex-wife. Regardless if he suffered abuse himself as a child or not, the punishment doesn't match the crime if you really think about it. So, the fact that we're all rooting for this guy to get killed kinda turns the mirror to us as an audience because we sympathize w/ innocent animals -- and we open the story from the dog's POV, being beaten. So it's like we're experiencing the abuse ourselves. And this is the punishment we'd want to see w/ our abuser. Which makes us even more brutal than Dwight. Which further drives home the point that some people never really heal from abuse.

So, point is, whether they get the deeper meaning or not, they still get the brand of justice they want. Perhaps making Dwight a sympathetic character at the end will make it less enjoyable for them, but it's pretty animalistic either way for them to root for a guy who hit his wife and beat a dog to be brutally murdered and tortured.


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RAGE (Coming Feb. 2021) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8874764/?ref_=nm_knf_i2


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While Michael's story has a great point to it, I'm afraid mine is only there to gross you out. Nothing deeper than that.


Even though I went the Twilight Zone route (w/ out Rod Serling telling us what the point was), when I watch horror anthologies, I actually much prefer tales that are strictly there to gross me out and entertain. Looking forward to reading it!

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So, point is, whether they get the deeper meaning or not, they still get the brand of justice they want. Perhaps making Dwight a sympathetic character at the end will make it less enjoyable for them, but it's pretty animalistic either way for them to root for a guy who hit his wife and beat a dog to be brutally murdered and tortured.


That's exactly what I meant. Either way, this is an interesting and enjoyable read.
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Hey, Michael. Sorry for the delay on the review. Let me jump right into it.

SPOILERS!

First off, I'm an animal lover. So you score some serious points with me with how you handled this story. Dwight is an absolutely despicable character and it was extremely satisfying to see him put through the same Hell he put his poor dog through. Fuck Dwight. Lol

Gonna echo the others and say that the writing itself is great. You really know how to paint a vivid picture. No issues what-so-ever on that front.

Story-wise, this is very creative. Awesome characters too. Especially Fritzinger. And I actually like that you gave a reason for why Dwight is the way he is. Gives him some real depth. Still hate the fucker though! Lol

LOVE the use of Dolly Parton's "Crackerjack". Great song choice. Though besides that song, there really isn't much of an '80s vibe to this and that's a little disappointing.

Still, this is a really cool and creative tale with a very satisfying (and funny!!!) ending. Great work, Dude.

Sean, the wraparound story definitely has my interest. Really curious to learn more about these characters and what the Hell is going on with the timeline. Can't wait t see how it all ties together.

I'll be reviewing episode 3 shortly.   
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Michael, I feel like I've read this a long, long time ago.  Is that possible?

I also seem to remember that it wasn't for me, in terms of story, theme, and writing, and looking this over rather quickly, I've decided not to comment, as the writing style on display here is not at all for me, sorry to say.

I will comment on the wraparound story, since I've read the 1st 2 now.

I wish I could be more positive, but I'm not impressed.  Where it's going, I have no idea, but it's not working for me.

You have Driver and Passenger in dialogue blocks, but you continually call them the driver and the passenger in your prose, which is odd to say the least.

Dialogue not at all working for me - very unnatural.

Lots of use of "then" over and over, which does not work for me.

So, sorry guys, but Episode 2 is not for me, but I'll continue on to Episode 3 and see where we are.
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I read this one some time ago. A little disappointed you didn't remember. Maybe my notes were not that memorable or helpful, lol. I don't remember. I do remember the story though. It is a good one. It's a complete full circle story that packs a lot of different emotions into just one short. You are good at that. People want to feel something when they watch or read something. My effort for this series lacks that. All I have is grossness.  

What is great here is that everyone reappears and plays a part in the second half. All while Dwight gets what he deserves. If this one wouldn't be so tricky to film, I'm sure it would have already been produced.

Some typo type stuff, but I don't really worry about that.

Thanks for the wraparound story, Sean.  


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I read this one some time ago. A little disappointed you didn't remember. Maybe my notes were not that memorable or helpful, lol. I don't remember.


Of course I remember!


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I do remember the story though. It is a good one. It's a complete full circle story that packs a lot of different emotions into just one short. You are good at that. People want to feel something when they watch or read something. My effort for this series lacks that. All I have is grossness.  


Well, my effort for the series was probably minimum -- I just took a horror short I 4 wrote years ago and added 8 pages to it lol. I normally don't write shorts this deep and I normally don't spend much time on them, this was the one exception.


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What is great here is that everyone reappears and plays a part in the second half. All while Dwight gets what he deserves. If this one wouldn't be so tricky to film, I'm sure it would have already been produced.


Yeah, everyone who contacted me about it ended up backing away from it because they didn't wanna work with a dog. Would take somewhat of a larger budget.

-- Michael


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Yeah, everyone who contacted me about it ended up backing away from it because they didn't wanna work with a dog. Would take somewhat of a larger budget.

-- Michael


I wouldn't have a problem working with a dog per se, but it would make me sad to think of it as abused and such. I have no problem with a naked man in a cage though.



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I wouldn't have a problem working with a dog per se, but it would make me sad to think of it as abused and such. I have no problem with a naked man in a cage though.



I always prefer 2 or 3 naked chicks in a cage.  

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Hey, I vaguely remember reading the original short version of this too.

Riveting stuff. Great writing as usual. You really put Dwight through every horror imaginable. It was satisfying at first, then goes so far you just start to pity him. I don't know if that's the reaction you were going for, but it was a strong range of emotions, where by the end I had no appetite for any more punishment.

The only real issue I have is with Fritzinger's speech on pg. 24-25. I wish there was some way to impart all that, or at least the essence of it, through the actual story instead of having him say it. I do think it's already there to some degree. You have the pitbull who gets cared for and is now healthy and strong.

Maybe if we can kind of see the range of possibilities. Like if there's a moment towards the end where Dwight's getting beaten as a dog and he has a flashback of being beaten as a young child. Then he sees another young shelter dog being hugged and taken home to be raised by a kind family. We'd sort of be able to see that cycle, where it starts, and how to break it.

That may not be exactly what you're going for. Or the best way to express it. But I think you have the pieces there to just let us experience this vicious cycle through everything that's happened up to that point. And we're left hoping Dwight can still find the care he needs.

Hope that rambling makes sense.


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