007 I'll sell you the Stang  after the summer if you like.

I agree Dustin about the coke thing being more visual so I'm going to take Rick's advice and put in tiny cut scenes which will have a punch.

Hi Reef and I hear what you're saying. As it stands now the actors want to turn this into a mini series so that's the way we are going to go.

At the end now , you hear a BANG then it fades to black.

The start of the next episode will be in a hospital. Jackie is the one who has been shot and needs a blood transfusion. Her mum can't give her one as she has fucked up blood. Maybe HIV or Hep c.

It turns out that Billy is her dad, Angie hasn't told Billy or Jackie but now she has no choice but to tell Billy.


Anyway Ive shot another scene which I'll put here. It's just a rough edit and the sound has not been done yet, It's only the sound from the camera as appose to the Rode mic.

I wasn't going to put this clip up yet but I think it's good for people to see it from the start so they can maybe learn something from it should they be in the same position as me.

Thanks for all the comments especially Rick with the smash cut Idea.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhWr33ZSjEY

Can you edit in stuff like background noise? This one seemed a little more staged, but like you said it's a rough edit. A bit of music going on in the background may help too...

How are you for music? You can get free stuff.. but it's better to know a producer. Plus it's hard to know what music goes with what unless it's a real passion of yours. Just like any other part in this game... you're only as strong as your weakest link. One area wrong (that includes the script), and the film is pHucked.

I'm going to be filming All About Janet and The Man this year. Well, I'm not... I haven't got much of a clue about anything aside from writing.

Dustin, You can put any audio in you like, I've not done it yet and it'll prob be the last thing I do.

Someone phoned me today saying that they knew an editor that does stuff for TV, but thats missing the point of this whole thing. I'm doing this as a challenge to myeslf.

But I would say, if you plan on shooting 'All about Mary' this year, you better get your head around camera angles, wide shots, mid shots and close ups. Do a story board, make sure you use a clapperboard. Don't zoom in shots, Don't pan unless you need to. A locked shot is more powerfull,  let the actors walk out of shot.

First get your edit done then worry about sound. You can put in a temp track with music you think is suitable for the scene, if you want to. But ultimately you'll want to get a composer to compose music for you. And make sure you actually own it, if you want the short to have any chance at the festivals.

Also, one thing I learned from the past: when picture edit is locked it is LOCKED. Re-recording studios hate it when they have to remix sound. Long story with this one but, fair notice.

-J.S.

J.S, I've already bought music for this from 'audio network' it's cheap if you're an indie film maker

Moby lets you use his stuff for free 'Moby gratis' . I don't like Moby but I had a look  and found a track called ;The Lonley Night' with Mark Lanegan doing the vocals, I might use it when the hookers are standing in the cold waiting for punters.

Quoted from AtholForsyth Moby lets you use his stuff for free 'Moby gratis'.

You still have to pay a licensing fee for it if your short is ever distributed or exhibit for commercial purposes. So if a distributor comes around to buy the short, hypothetically speaking, it ain't looking good for you. I don't know the fees, but be well aware and prepared for it.

To be honest with you J.S , I'm not looking for a distibutor nor trying to sell this. Its purely for self satisfaction and to give the actors a showreel.

As I've said before on here, I've only written two scripts and I'm going to shoot both of them this year. I'm not a great scriptwriter for sure but as the process evloves, the more heads become involved.

I'm in a better position than most people, I can shoot stuff for poeple to see. No pipe dreams here.

BTW Dustin I think ' Janet and the Man' sounds way better than 'All about Janet and the Man'  much better ring to it.

Looking good so far Athol, kudos. Hope all continues to go well.

* I believe Dustin means two separate scripts, "All About Janet" and "The Man".

Quoted from AtholForsyth Dustin, You can put any audio in you like, I've not done it yet and it'll prob be the last thing I do. Someone phoned me today saying that they knew an editor that does stuff for TV, but thats missing the point of this whole thing. I'm doing this as a challenge to myeslf. But I would say, if you plan on shooting 'All about Mary' this year, you better get your head around camera angles, wide shots, mid shots and close ups. Do a story board, make sure you use a clapperboard. Don't zoom in shots, Don't pan unless you need to. A locked shot is more powerfull,  let the actors walk out of shot.

Cheers mate... but like I said I'm bloody useless. I know when to let other people take over. We've got a good team almost ready to go. The only thing we may struggle with is a decent editor. But we intend to pay for that.

I know you want to do this as a challenge mate, but to be the producer, writer, director, cameraman, DP and whatever else is a tall order for anyone. I'm mainly just a writer and I'm helping to get them produced, but my role in that is actually quite small. I will throw some cash in too... but that's it.

If you know an editor... use the guy. You'll be much happier. Even get to know him and be there when he does it. Learn some tricks. He'll know things that will take a year or more to learn.

Making a good film is all about collaboration. I find that I rarely like films where the writer is also the director. Scenes are milked for too long, and generally the films run longer too. That's my opinion...

As far as I'm concerned we should always get the best man for the job that we can. Each job is a separate talent. Even make-up. Especially make-up, come to think of it. Takes years to master a new skill properly, at least a year, even if you're a quick learner, to be decent.

I understand though if you're doing this just to get a feel for everything... a taste of what goes into it, so then at a later date you will contract other people to do the stuff you're weak in.

Anyway, I wish you luck on your journey. We'll probably be bumping into each other soon at one of the festivals. I'm going to the Sundance next month. It's all about making those contacts. We're nothing otherwise, not even on the radar.

Dustin, I've only done the first two scenes but in that short time I've learned that I can't do everything myself nor do I want to.  When I started this project, I never really knew many people is this buisness so I just thought I'd give it a bash, nothing ventured nothing gained kind of thing.

As it pans out, the actor that is playing Billy is also a good scriptwriter, he's wrote the second episode already.

One of my mates run ' Ad-Lib theatre arts'  She teaches people how to act and sing. She is gonna direct it. (she is the barmaid in the bar scene)

So the moral of the story is  " Don't worry if everythings in place before you start coz It'll all fall into place on it's own.

Quoted from AtholForsyth So the moral of the story is  " Don't worry if everythings in place before you start coz It'll all fall into place on it's own.

How about making sure your leg is tied properly before doing a bungee jump. Or a parachute is attached before jumping out of a plane.

I worry. I like to make sure everything is going to be good before I jump. Think several moves ahead. There are a lot of guys all over the country doing this. We've got to stand head and shoulders above the rest. We ain't playing around. We're playing to win... or what's the point?

But what I'm saying is, when you start shooting is when you will meet all kinds of new people networking. He knows her, she knows someone that does bla bla bla.

I think making your first film is prob the biggest learning curve that you'll come across but you will also make plenty of mistakes but that is how you learn.

I've made tons of mistakes already and I've only done 2 scenes.

But I hope you do well with yours and don't worry about it to much, it'll all fall into place, and after the mistakes you will know what to do or avoid.

I know I'm no expert yet but by the time you start shooting, I'm sure I can give you a few pointers.

Quoted from AtholForsyth But what I'm saying is, when you start shooting is when you will meet all kinds of new people networking. He knows her, she knows someone that does bla bla bla. I think making your first film is prob the biggest learning curve that you'll come across but you will also make plenty of mistakes but that is how you learn. I've made tons of mistakes already and I've only done 2 scenes. But I hope you do well with yours and don't worry about it to much, it'll all fall into place, and after the mistakes you will know what to do or avoid. I know I'm no expert yet but by the time you start shooting, I'm sure I can give you a few pointers.

Cheers mate. I'll be grateful of the advice.

We have a guy who owns three red cameras and knows how to use them. A good mate of mine of over 30 years, is a music producer and actor. We have two more experienced producers on board and an experienced director. I don't want to say any names but we have someone on board - to at least give us advice - who is quite big in the British film and TV industry.

Here's something my mate did. He's the guy with the muscles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....u.be&app=desktop