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Steve, I thought you might be interested in Hollywood's treatment of the same topic, with big name stars. Similarly, it appears it's 'Dad' in this story who has the problem.



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Libby,

Bastards stole my idea! Kidding. But thanks for posting this -- and the great review you did for Tempest on STS!
Strangely enough, I wouldn't go and see this. Maybe wait for HBO or something. Writing the human drama element, regardless of the subject, is much more appealing to me.

I hope this movie is handled well and not thrown together. It is timely and usually things like that are rushed just to cash in on that. But if the trailer is any indication, this subject matter is very real. I think part of the reason it never came to the fore is because, back in the day, things like this were kinda swept under the rug. This is a part -- small fraction maybe -- of our society today. Like it or not.

And of course Dad has the problem. Being married has taught me at least one universal truth -- Moms are always right!

Steve


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A bit like Tony, I'm a little tired of this topic. It seems to be everywhere.

A family friend has recently gone through it, with their son Michael who is now Michelle.

The father was resistant at first, but what changed his mind was a hormonal test that showed Michael was producing female hormones and was essentially a girl. He accepted it at that point.

Interestingly, his older sister who was at first supportive, simply has been unable to deal with it in the event of it happening. She's fallen out with the whole family and moved out. She is grieving over the loss of her younger brother, and does not recognise the new "sister" as the same person.

I would like to see deeper discussion about it in two particular areas:

1. There are MAJOR health implications. Not least of which is permanent infertility. And the person also has to take very strong hormones forever. It's a massive step. The way it's portrayed, at least as far as I've seen, is that it's all just on the side of people having to accept it. But it's a really big decision.

Why is gender so important? Is it more important than health and the ability to have children?

2. In a world where we are basically saying that sexuality and gender are fluid. A man/woman can be sexually attracted to the same sex, and a man/woman can even BE the opposite sex. It's sort of odd how definite transgenderism is. It fits to the traditional idea of gender...that there are men and women and you have to be one or the other.

From a purely theoretical point of view...why can't you just be a "woman" in a "man's" body? Forget the gender tags...why can't you just be YOU. How can you be born through either God or Nature, and NOT be you?

Or both...just get some tits and keep the other parts?

Where is the idea coming from that you have to conform to one or the other. Is it innate? Or cultural? Are the psychological problems associated with it caused by a discrepancy between the physical form and the mental idea (which is essentially hormones) or by the failure of the person to accept themselves as they are because of cultural attitudes?


There is an odd tension between equal rights groups and transgenderism. For instance, a UK politician has recently said we should only refer to gender in very specific circumstances..essentially to do with health. Obviously the idea is to try and eradicate the differences between men and women, pretend that we are exactly the same. A very Marxist idea. She specifically said it was not fair on transgender people to be so specific about gender with the implication being that they are neither and it's isolating to them to say it....except transsexualism conforms exactly to traditional ideas on gender. Some people are men and some are women. You can just happen to be born into the wrong body.

I  suppose all I'm saying is that society always beats you over the head with one thing or the other. People are always trying to force you into one opinion or another, whatever it is.

Either you CAN'T possibly accept it or you MUST accept it.


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In terms of the script:


Too much time was spent with the Cop. What relevance did all that have to the core story?


The epiphany the father has seems to be based on two things...being approached by a prostitute with a bad arm, and seeing a picture of his own child. Neither seem to have much logical connection with his essential problem...which seems to be a spiritual one the way it's written. He believes God made Charlie a boy and can't accept he's really a girl. And he's embarrassed, it threatens his own masculinity.

What does his decision about that have to do with the prostitute? It's not a lack of attraction for his wife that is stopping him accepting it.

Personally I'd dispense with the God stuff, altogether. That road is also trite, these days and always ends the same way....Christians are stupid and have to change their beliefs. It's the same problem in reverse.
I see it in every film festival, and fuck me it's boring. What once may have been interesting and edgy is now just plain old bigotry in disguise.

I would suggest you keep it purely about gender. He's a macho guy and it's embarrassing to his ideas of masculinity.

Why is that?

I think you need to spend more time with the core story. Why he's against the idea, and find things that challenge his notions of masculinity. Maybe the prostitute is a man, and he's attracted to him? Add another thing into the mix. He's sort of blaming himself for the way the kid's turned out. Might be a step too far, that though.

Ultimately it's about him wanting his family and "son" to be happy. The story is not about gender, it's about the child's well-being. What will make his son happy. The problem is that there's along road ahead.  Is a major operation that will render them infertile and on medication for the rest of their life the best route to that? Can such a young child understand what it means to lose the potential for having children? I don't know, I doubt the father would either. What can you show to make him really start to believe that it is?

Rick

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I think that parents 'trying to do the right thing' inadvertently push this type of programming into children. Any child that feels different or that they don't fit in, will seek out places that they do fit. If a boy says, I want to be a girl, and they get a positive reaction from that, even acceptance on some level, then they will take what they can get.

Adults are a different matter. They can do as they please. However, it's an irresponsible parent, in my view, that accepts transgenderism as being OK for their children.
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What a sticky widget this thread has become.

I have two adult daughters (33 and 35). I haven't got an effing clue on what I would have done if one of them revealed when they were a young girl that they were identified as male.  So, I can only guess.

I think I would have tried to delay any physical/medical treatment until they were adult. Not a scientist, but I can't imagine that the emotional and mental development of the brain is not an ongoing and ever changing process through puberty. My concern is not rooted in dogma or faith as am I an atheist and about as socially left as you can go. I just think it would be dangerous to make permanent physical changes to the body while the brain is still in a fluid state.

Once they are adult - have at it. I can not pretend the understand the damage caused by being physically in one body type and mentally in another. It may be a mild distraction or a dramatic, suicide inducing disconnect. All I know is that I am not smart enough to know. Ergo - I would never interfere with an adult decision in that regard.

For children, I do think the key is to provide whatever support one can to get them to the point in life where they can make a well rounded an informed decision about their physical make up as an adult.

As I have stated earlier - with one exception, I quite liked the script. I don't think it is presented in a black and white manner. After all, at the end all Gary did was buy a brush and tell his wife he ain't quite there yet. It is not like he is agreeing that his boy should have surgery, hormones or anything. Note: random thought - I think a neat twist at the end here is that Gary buys two (male and female oriented) brushes and for that matter commits to two of everything -  (e.g., a GI Joe and a girl's doll, etc) and his compromise is that he will let the boy decide but in all cases he will present the boy options. ....

I do think there is another version that could be written. One where both parents are conflicted about what to do - this is a man vs. wife theme on the issue of their son't gender identity. It would be interesting to see a story where they are not really at odds - just two parents struggling on what to do about this issue that is presented to them.

Anyway - my diatribe for today.





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Tough choice.

The problem with waiting is that they become more of what they don't want to be. One they go through puberty, they have more distinctive physical characteristics that they may not want. So waiting can have catastrophic effects as well. No girl wants a hairy chest and face and a big adam's apple.

They do brain scans: The anatomy of the brain is often different...more like the other sex and also do some sort of hormonal check, so that can help make a decision.
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Tough choice indeed - certainly don't envy anyone that has to make it


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