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eldave1
Posted: April 6th, 2018, 5:40pm Report to Moderator
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Just saw this thread before I was about to out myself assuming the voting was over - that was a close one.

If I understand it, the only thing that matters mathematically is the average of the last votes.

e.g., a script with nineteen fives and a last rating of 1 would show a rating of 3 rather than the true rating of 4.8.

A script with nineteen 1s and a last rating of 5 would show a rating of 3 rather than the true rating of 1.2.

A script with 17 ratings of 5 and the last three ratings of 1 would have a rating of 1.5 rather than the true rating of 4.4  

That is a problem. Have no idea what a rational solution would be since the votes are not recorded anywhere. The only thing I can think of is to list the scripts in a poll like they are done for normal OWCs and ask folks to re-vote.

Regardless of what happens - an enjoyable exercise anyway.





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DanC
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I listed each vote, so it'd be easy for me to vote again.  I also volunteer to help add up the scores.  I have no stake.

Dan


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I'm interested in reading animation, horror, sci fy, suspense, fantasy, and anything that is good.  I enjoy writing the same.  Looking to team with anyone!

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FrankM
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That voting system is really... broken. The board keeps track of how many votes there were, so even if it doesn't record individual votes it would be able to weight the prior vote average properly.

Unfortunately the information we'd need to reconstruct everything was destroyed. I don't have a problem with re-voting, or whatever the solution ends up being.


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Who Wants to Be a Princess? (Family)
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"Mal Suerte" (Superhero)

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FrankM
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Don, by any chance are old revisions of the file recoverable from the server's filesystem? That could reconstruct the voting as it happened, allowing someone to build a real average.


Feature-length scripts:
Who Wants to Be a Princess? (Family)
Glass House (Horror anthology)

TV pilots:
"Kord" (Fantasy)
"Mal Suerte" (Superhero)

Additional scripts are listed here.
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LC
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Quoted from khamanna


And those from Austrailia are automatically out because they are sleeping and don't know the news. You snooze you lose, haha!
(or loose, whatever)

'Snooze you lose' - yes, I'm still half asleep here and don't know what the heck is going on here? Did everyone win?


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FrankM
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Quoted from LC
Did everyone win?


The eight who were eliminated in Round 2 will be required to write three 1-page scripts for the sadistic amusement of those who advanced to Round 3, then all of the Round 3 contestants advance to Round 4.


Feature-length scripts:
Who Wants to Be a Princess? (Family)
Glass House (Horror anthology)

TV pilots:
"Kord" (Fantasy)
"Mal Suerte" (Superhero)

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eldave1
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Quoted from LC

'Snooze you lose' - yes, I'm still half asleep here and don't know what the heck is going on here? Did everyone win?


The news is pending the grinding of mathematical machinations.

Go back to sleep, there's nothing one can do.

PS - 6:00 PM here in Los Angeles - ready for dinner and a movie with the misses.  



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LC
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Quoted from eldave1
The news is pending the grinding of mathematical machinations. Go back to sleep, there's nothing one can do.PS - 6:00 PM here in Los Angeles - ready for dinner and a movie with the misses.  

Thank you for the cool and calm elucidation, Dave.
Nope, I slept in and this is what happens. Coming up to lunchtime now.
Speaking of movies: A Quiet Place looks like the next go to!
P.S. I think that'd be the missus, unless your other half is a bit slow on the uptake.   Just kidding. Have a goodin.



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Math issues huh? I thought Sean told me my OWC with the logline score, script score and readers choice was complicated!  

Need a beer, Sean?  


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eldave1
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Quoted from LC

Thank you for the cool and calm elucidation, Dave.
Nope, I slept in and this is what happens. Coming up to lunchtime now.
Speaking of movies: A Quiet Place looks like the next go to!
P.S. I think that'd be the missus, unless your other half is a bit slow on the uptake.   Just kidding. Have a goodin.



Thanks - me and the MISSUS are going to watch 3 billboards. Popcorn is already popping. Review to follow.


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DanC
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This is far beyond my pay grade, but is there a way to reverse engineer the score?  You know how many voter to give you the score leading up to the last score.  So couldn't you figure the average to get that score times the people who voted to figure out the score?

Then, you do that each time until you have all the votes.

Or, just put it the way it is for this round and fix it for next round.  It's possible that the pairings will show a clear winner regardless of the issue.  

Or scrap this round entirely and come up with a new round.

This is the first time this has been done, so it's good to get the kinks out.  

I have a few other ideas, but I'll wait to list them.

Dan


Please read my scripts:
http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-series/m-1427564706/

I'm interested in reading animation, horror, sci fy, suspense, fantasy, and anything that is good.  I enjoy writing the same.  Looking to team with anyone!

Thanks
Dan
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FrankM
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Dan, unfortunately there is a serious bug in how the forum software records votes. It’s supposed to take the number of previous voters into account when averaging in a new vote, but it always treats the existing average as if it was from one voter. The information to reconstruct the real average has been destroyed unless the server OS happens to maintain backups/versions of each file as it is overwritten.

If that huge pile of backups exists, then yes someone can work forward and reconstruct the votes based on the new average stored each time. This would reveal to that person exactly how each person voted.


Feature-length scripts:
Who Wants to Be a Princess? (Family)
Glass House (Horror anthology)

TV pilots:
"Kord" (Fantasy)
"Mal Suerte" (Superhero)

Additional scripts are listed here.
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Don
Posted: April 7th, 2018, 11:44am Report to Moderator
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I'm going to close this thread out.  Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and offers to help and understanding of the situation.  

The decision regarding how to deal with the voting irregularity has been outlined here:

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1523072283

- Don


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