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Hard Case by Jackx - Short, Action/Adventure - When a mysterious case is stolen everyone in the city begins to look for it.  Three separate story lines intertwine Crime Bosses, Thieves and Police as each sets on a bloody path to recover the Hard Case. 59 pages - pdf, format


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Jackx,

I recognized your name so I gave this a read. My first impresson: Solid effort.

Good:
--More action than dialog
--Logically plotted.
--Good visuals.

Improve:
--The similar character naming was confusing: Carter & Carl, Johnson & Jensen.
--The cops were identified as being corrupt in the description without showing us.
--Your action paragraphs were mostly the same length making for a monotonous pace.
--You have a tendency to put in unfilmmable or asides and border on overuse of "is"
--Your characters need a bit more depth. Johnson and Jensen were not different enough to have two separate characters. Dialog could help with separating characters.

Overall, a solid effort to build on, one that would benefit from some tightening.

Gary

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Hi Jackx - finally, as promised...

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1. Nice little opening scene. Set the piece up well. Might suggest you could do INT/EXT ARMOURED CAR, which would allow you to keep the exterior shots while also going inside the cab to introduce the guards.

2. I always think it best to name all characters who have lines - even if it's only SMITH and JONES - but even if you don't, I would suggest that you don't use numbers on there own as you do here - GUARD #1 or GUARD ONE is better as a lone number can cause confusion.

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3. Not sure if the guard would recover that quickly from being tasered - so Carter could just shove him out straight away without needing him to punch him. Also, while I realise that Carter is a "badass", having him drop the unfortunate man into traffic just makes him look like a bastard, and if you want to have him as a central character the audience will need to find something to identify with - casual murder (or at least GBH) not likely to be the element most likely to appeal!

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4. I am not absolutely convinced that an armoured truck like this would have all these jewels in it - from the movies I would expect it to carry cash to and from stores and banks, rather than diamonds. This scene strikes me as more of the kind of thing you would normally see when criminals break into the safe deposit boxes of banks!

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5. I was just wondering if you are at all familiar with the film "Point Blank"? This begins with a robbery in which one of criminals is shot and sets out to get revenge and his money back. The central character is called Walker - and as played by Lee Marvin, is very definitely a "badass". When Carter gives us his VO this film came to mind straight away.

6. Nice descriptions of the two cops, but I would agree with Gary's comments that the names are too similar, they'll confuse both the reader and the viewer!

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7. "Provocatively dressed Gold Diggers" - great description, probably the best I have ever read for this particular type of character!

8. Not an expert (I can assure you) on strip joints, but from films I have always got the impression they tended never to close! So the idea of it being empty seemed out of place here.

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9. You set up the phone conversation exactly as it should be done - but I do not think you need "into the phone" every time like this as it is obvious from the scene.

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10. Doubt Carter would need bolt cutters for a door chain - a bit of shoulder power would do it in all likelihood!

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11. Good scene in the house with Carter and Stutz, but in contrast to the first scenes where Carter pushes the unfortunate security guard into traffic, he here just wounds the wife and then wastes bullets on shooting the gun away. I'd say that if he is cold blooded enough to do the former, he'd shoot to kill here, or at least shoot her again when she tries to get the gun.

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12. You need to make it a bit more clear that the barber shop gangsters are African-American - the mention of an Afro is not necessarily conclusive (whites can have this style as well after all).

13. If i may suggest a line here? "Haven't you heard? Ain't no racism in America anymore - we've got a black President now" Sorry, just a thought.

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14. Wouldn't Carter have checked the case at the house? Having him leave it like this makes him look a bit foolish, and going back to the house rather pointless - even if Stutz and his wife not been taken hostage, they would surely have fled by then?

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15. Given how violent these men are, would Tripp and Carl have any qualms about killing everyone, rather than just leaving them tied up at the house?

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16. Liked the double bluff here - we would think that Carter is trying to misdirect the goons, and then the FBI turn up!

17. Karen seems to change character pretty quickly - when first seen she can barely hold her gun, now she is blasting Feds with a shotgun. I'd also suggest she'd never make it to a gun case in the middle of a shoot out!

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18. If it is afternoon, why does Carter have to switch on the lights?

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19. Not quite sure why the cops think that Carter would help them out - he could just clear out and they'd never see him again. Indeed, as Carter is armed at this point, why not just kill them?

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20, It strikes me that Marigold is not necessarily the most convincing name for a king-pin! In the UK, apart from the flower, it is also a type of rubber glove!

21. Where did the kitchen come from? It's mentioned without any indication of how we got there. The layout of the office needs to be clearer.

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22. Would Johnny know what was in the case? He doesn't seem to be anything other than a go-between, not a big wheel.

23. The reveal about the papers rather raises the question as to why the Feds transported these vital documents in an ordinary armoured car?

24. Carter's VO in his apartment here is a bit clunky.


Quoted from Hard Case
did i really believe I could
return to my life of petty crime
after this?


There is also no need for a paragraph break in it, as this is a screenplay not a prose and you can write the whole thing as one block.

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25. The hotel where Marigold is staying changes between the two scenes.

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26. If they lead him outside, then obviously it's a new scene and needs indicating as such - unless we see it from the window?

27. I do feel that some momentum has been lost in the story - Carter sets out as a man on a mission, but keeps going back to his apartment, running into cops. He doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb in the box, but this structure just slows everything down. I think you could happily lose the entire apartment scenes and tighten things up. In fact, you could lose the cops altogether.

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28. Good scene in elevator - not only the twist, which I must say did not occur to me, but also with the little old lady providing some light relief.

29. POV is out of place here - it refers to a character's point of view, and assuming you don't mean that Carl watches Johnson walk away then all you need to say is "we follow Johnson as he approaches the elevator".

30. Why is it OK to kill the Janitor but not the little old lady?

31. Why are we back in the lobby?

32. Given that Carl must have known he'd be  caught once the case was open, why wait until they were at the hotel?

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33. How can Carter be both Poker faced and smiling?

34. I can't find Carter's escape believable. Aside from any other considerations, I understand that Police shotguns are secured in the trunk of the cars, so he'd not be able just to grab it and use it like this - but then I can't believe that he'd be able to cut his way out like this anyway! And why wait until he is in the car when he could have beaten them up at the apartment?

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35. What's to stop Marigold just killing the cops? They have just handed over the only thing that they could use to negotiate with!

36. And Carl still has his gun?

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37. The shootout is well written, and probably the highlight of the script.

38. Carter is a tough bugger - is he related to Chev Chelios by any chance?

Overall I'd say that the main problem is that, having started with Carter's desire for revenge, you lost focus with the introduction of the other characters, in particular the bent cops, and defused the energy of the piece.

However, it is certainly well written - the action scenes especially work well. It may be a tad too derivative for my tastes (apart from "Point Blank", I was reminded of "True Romance" and "the Departed") - but hey, that never hurt QT did it?

I look forward to seeing more of your scripts.

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Hey, thanks both  of you for the comments.  Just looking at them briefly I can see there's a ton of useful stuff.
Yea this is supposed to be expanded into a full feature, so a lot of the things like character development are definately on the slim side right now.  Also the whole investigating whats going on with the case pretty much got cut down to one scene, where I want to expand that so theres actually a development.  Mostly this was just figuring out the general plot.

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Gary, yea I'll work on the names, I can see them being confusing.  I was starting to try to differentiate between Jensen and Johnson, having Johnson be more senior and calm, and Jensen a little younger and confrontational.  I'll definately keep working on it.
I'll work on varying the paragraphs too, I can see that I was probably just chopping them to stay around four lines.
Thanks for the other advice, I'll definately be working on it.




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HARD CASE
            (65 Pages) Stealing the case is just the beginning...

APU
            (80 pages) A city where superheroes are murderers and villains walk through walls...
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Niles,
Thanks for all the help, I'll definately be going through line by line with your input.
I'll work on the INT/EXT cars, I wasn't quite sure how that was supposed to be done.
Having been tasered myself, you will in fact recover pretty much as soon as the current turns off.  However I understand that being realistic and being believable aren't necessarily the same thing.
Yea I'll work on the Armored Car, probably make it mostly documents and such, a little more realistic than a buncha diamonds.
Haven't seen Point Blank, but have seen PayBack, which is a bit similar too.  The trunk scene was kinda a reverse nod to it, but i'll be taking it out.

Strip joints, (not that I'll claim to be an expert either) at least where I am often close down around 3ish, because they cant serve alcohol after that.  The idea was the scene takes place around 4, so everyones getting ready to head home and pass out.
Yea I can see how Carter seems a little inconsistant.  I was going for the idea that even as a cold blooded guy there were still rules, as in no killing cops, and preferably not innocent women.
I was hoping to reference obama without quite dating it by being specific.
Tripp and Carl were keeping them alive long enough to make sure they found the case.
With the janitor the idea was that the tension kept mounting until they snapped, but I def didnt write it out enough, so I'll work on it.

Yea the escape from the police was kept from an earlier version where everything was a little more over the top.  I'll rethink it.
The bit with Johnny was pretty much a lazy shortcut to revealing whats actually going on.  When I expand it a lot of that info will be revealed in other ways.

Haha, I think Chelios might be a distant cousin of Carter.  

Glad you liked the shootout, I was worried about the action scenes being confusing.
When I rework it I was thinking about expanding Carl, to kind of set up for the final scene, but I see what you're saying about losing focus.

I agree the stories on the derivative side, I tried to choose something simple to practice on.  Hopefully still entertaining though.
Anyways thanks for your time, I'll look at the rest of your suggestions as I edit.


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HARD CASE
            (65 Pages) Stealing the case is just the beginning...

APU
            (80 pages) A city where superheroes are murderers and villains walk through walls...

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Hi Jackx

Just to say that "payback" is a remake of "Point Blank" - a much inferior one. Check out the earlier version, as it is one of the true greats of modern cinema.
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That would explain that, I'll see if I can find the original.  One other question, were the VOs too much?  I'm kinda working in a slightly cheesy genre here, but hopefully without crossing over into campy.
My next project is a pretty serious/original law enforcement bit, that hopefully breaks away from these kind of issues.
Thanks again.


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I may be the wrong person to ask, as I detest VOs in general! The first use of it here, when Carter is in the hospital bed, is OK I think, but after that...

You could do it slightly differently - have him speak direct to camera, as in a monologue?
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yea i know, voice overs are the tool for the weak, but right now thats me.  I'll be getting rid of most of them in the rewrite.


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Hey, I quite enjoyed this, definately room for expansion and improvement.
You could definately take out a little of the cheese factor, drop out some VOs, get rid of that trunk scene.
I do think Carls character could be expanded, (and renamed)  to build up to the final confrontation with Carter.  Some of the best scenes are working with the tension of him being (SPOILER) undercover.  I would like to see what he does day to day with them early on, in order to build up to the revelation.
J&J could use some distinction, as previously mentioned.  Not sure how much you want to expand them, they might take away from the pace and focus, but if you helped distinguish between their dialogue it would help.
Anyways look forward to a revision.


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Read it. Liked it! Simple critique I know, but some times it can be as easy as that.

Yeah there were a few breaks in the pace that may want editing out, but on the whole; I thought it was a fast paced, action packed piece. The characters were generally real enough and believable.

Ok! I'm new to this format, so i'm sure I've missed a couple of things. The critique given by Niles was a hell of a lot better than anthing I could have done. Even so.
Here's my oppinion, (For what its worth)

Great story!
Believable characters.
Settings and the set up of scenes; very good.
Pace. Apart from a couple of minor twitches, great!.
Liked the style and just about everything else.

Before your head gets so big, you can't get through the door, here comes the bad part. (Rememer this is only my oppinion. Don't go getting your britches in a twist.)

I thought it was dated.
A hell of a lot of it was straight out of the 80's, Miami Vice, The Sweeney, Starsky and Hutch and a dozen others just like them. Films too.

That isn't to say this doesn't work. A lot of stuff is coming out like this, in a time travel or retrospect point of view. Life on Mars, Cold Case, there's a few others.

You could change the ending to Carter looking back on his life and giving it a twist.

Married man, kids, doing good works. Whatever! A moral ending.

Remember! Writing the best script in the world anyone has ever done ever. Is only half the job. You've still got to sell it.

Great style Jack! I will unashamedly copy huge parts of it.





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Thanks for the read Malcolm.  
This was my first attempt so I was more trying to have fun with a pretty simple genre than create anything I was planning on selling.  
I was pretty opposed to a moral ending, they rarely seem any kind of realistic.  So Carter should spend his life robbing and killing, then decide give it up in the last couple minutes?  Almost as bad as the whole 'one last job' thing.  
Do you remember any of the particular parts where it slowed down?
I guess imitation is a form of flattery, but I'm not sure thats something id admit.
Thanks again for the read, anything you would like me to return the favor on?


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HARD CASE
            (65 Pages) Stealing the case is just the beginning...

APU
            (80 pages) A city where superheroes are murderers and villains walk through walls...

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Once I've finished the 2nd draft of Living With The Beast, or the first draft of Saving Satan. You betcha!

I'll be looking for as many pointers as I can get. Particularly With Living with the Beast.

I've been told, by people who should know, that it has a lot of commercial potential.

I live in hope.

Thank's Jack
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Malcolm has a interesting suggestion there, with Carter looking back on events, so you can set it in the 60s or 70s and get a retro feel.

I'd suggest this though - Carter, an old man, dying in prison. A bit like Ronnie Biggs here. He could be lying in the prison infirmary and telling his story to an impressionable convict orderly?

It would also allow for some bending of reality - Carter surviving shootouts with apparent ease could be his flights of fantasy, with a more real version also shown or suggested. Maybe his "badass" persona could be an invention, and it's revealed after he is dead and the orderly is clearing his stuff, that it's all from a book he's read and he was nothing special.

Sorry - like all writers, ideas are constantly pinging around my head! Feel free to tell me to bugger off!
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Glad you're both keeping an interest.  Malcolm, feel free to pm me once you get something up, I might not notice it on my own.

I do like the idea of looking back on things, especially if he's in prison.  The reason I don't like the moral endings is they seem to offer an unrealistic way out for the character.  I was definately going with the idea that he was on a dead end track, and someday his luck and toughness wouldn't be enough.  
And I always like playing with the idea that the stories being told aren't quite the truth.

Hopefully i'll have a revision up with all the previous advice within the next week or so.  I'll keep thinking about this stuff, see how it would fit in with this.  
Thanks again.


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