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Posted: December 15th, 2013, 6:19pm Report to Moderator
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Rough Draft by Eric Wall (EWall433) - Short, Comedy - A struggling writer enters the world of his screenplay in order to complete a seemingly impossible mission; make his protagonist interesting. 17 pages - pdf, format


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Eric,

I'm a fan of your work. I enjoyed the OWC you wrote a few months back. I'm pressed for time at the moment but I'll get a chance to read the script later tonight and give a review tomorrow.

Take care,

Dirk
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I got a kick out of this one.  

Clever, entertaining, worth the read.  There's only one thing that turned me off about it, but I'll keep that to myself for now.  

My fav part.

EXT. ALLEY - CONTINUOUS
John enters the alley and comes upon Ben and the Girl
engaged in a tug of war over her purse.

JOHN
Ben! Ben, it’s John! Stop!

BEN
I can’t.

JOHN
Why not?

BEN
I’m on meth.
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Eric,

Highly entertaining. Humorous throughout. The writing was top notch. One little error I found was "A cat MEWS" (meows).

------Spoilers------

I liked the idea of the writer taking over John's life. It reminded me of John Cusacks movie One Crazy Summer where's he a cartoonist trying to convince his drawing to talk to the pretty girl. Instead in your story you actually have the writter walking around with his protag. It works but in a way the writer comes off like he's God with all of his powers. I was waiting to see if they both would walk over water. lol. Not much else to say but that it was a fast, smooth read. Loved it all the way through and would love to see it filmed one day.

I have to echo Silverback's fav part and mine too.

BEN
I'm on meth.

Classic line. Well done.

- Dirk
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Hey Eric,

I really enjoyed this.  It's not often that I read a script that makes me laugh out loud, but this one got me several times.  You really know how to write comedy.

Anyways, the only faults I see are really just personal nitpicks.  The "make it rain" joke immediately made me think of the Writer throwing money at John, so it might be worth it to cut directly to that joke instead of including the "water, snow" thing.  But that's really just personal preference.

I also love the Chekhov's gun thing and the save the cat reference (although audiences probably wouldn't pick up on the latter, but that joke's not for them anyways ).  As others have said, the meth thing is great.

Great work here, nice to have a refreshing laugh.

Gage


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Hey Eric,

I'm not really high on screenplays about screenplays, but this was fun. I liked the tongue and cheek humor. Had a "Stranger than Fiction" kind of dynamic. The dialogue was really snappy. I feel like, though, that this would be best appreciated by other writers, particularly screenwriters. A lot of the tongue and cheek jokes would go over the heads of pretty much anybody else outside of writers and people somewhat involved in the film industry... but, it's still fun nevertheless. Good writing. Breezed right through it.

Didn't really notice too many typos outside of the "your" that should have been "you're" on page 1.

The only other thing... the writer is very present in the story... did he write himself in as the antagonist? And if he is the antagonist (John the protag), shouldn't John be moving the story along more? Writer seems to be the one moving the story along...

I'm probably looking too deep into it... nevertheless, it was a unique, fun little story.

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Just wanted to pop in and thank you guys for the reads. It's late here and my wedding anniversary is tomorrow so I won't be on the computer much (if I know what's good for me). I'll leave something more thorough on Wednesday.

In the meantime feel free to PM me if there is anything specific anyone would like looked at in reciprocation.

Thanks again.

P.S. Happy Birthday Dirk!
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Hi Eric,

Humor was a tad cheesy for my taste, but overall it was good nonetheless. It kept my interest.

-J.S.
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Alright, I’m back and ready to get into this a little deeper. Glad to see people pretty much dug this.


Quoted from Silverback
Clever, entertaining, worth the read.  There's only one thing that turned me off about it, but I'll keep that to myself for now.


Glad you enjoyed it, but you’ve definitely piqued my interest. What’s that one thing?


Quoted from DV44
One little error I found was "A cat MEWS" (meows).


Changed. I’m fairly confident ‘mews’ is a word (sort of a diminutive meow), but looking back I don’t think it’s the right word to use there.


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It works but in a way the writer comes off like he's God with all of his powers.


I debated with myself a bit over how much detail to explore regarding Writer’s powers. For instance, how come he directly takes control over Ben and the Girl, but plays hands off with John. The deeper I got into it, the more it did indeed start sounding like a “God debate”, so I backed off and decided to file it under ‘suspension of disbelief' for now. I figured the audience would rather grant me that, than suffer through my ludicrous attempts to explain it.


Quoted from Gage
The "make it rain" joke immediately made me think of the Writer throwing money at John, so it might be worth it to cut directly to that joke instead of including the "water, snow" thing.


Hey Gage, thanks for the read. Glad you enjoyed it. The “make it rain” line actually struck me the same way, but I thought it was just me being weird and ignored it. I adjusted the phrasing, but kept the sequence as I think it falls under the comedy Rule of Three.


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I feel like, though, that this would be best appreciated by other writers, particularly screenwriters. A lot of the tongue and cheek jokes would go over the heads of pretty much anybody else outside of writers and people somewhat involved in the film industry...


I did consider this and sat on the idea for a little while, but it was like an earworm. It came to me pretty fully conceived and wouldn’t go away until I wrote it.


Quoted from spesh2k
Didn't really notice too many typos outside of the "your" that should have been "you're" on page 1.


Ugh, of course it was page one   Fixed.


Quoted from spesh2k
The only other thing... the writer is very present in the story... did he write himself in as the antagonist? And if he is the antagonist (John the protag), shouldn't John be moving the story along more? Writer seems to be the one moving the story along...


I think an antagonist driven story is acceptable to a degree (I’m discovering that it seems very prominent in slasher/horror in particular). I think it would be a hard thing to correct in this case. The main conflict between Writer and John stems from his passiveness. That could also be called John’s character flaw and in order to be a proper arc, it can’t be fully realized (John made active) until the very end.

I think this kind of thing is bound to happen when you decide to make your entire premise an ironic dig at character development.


Quoted from AsfarasSiam
Very entertaining. Funny, clever, and suspenseful...Pow!

As well, I just wanted to chime in and rebel against some of the other posts stating that; any type of reference to screen writing material (Save the Cat), may have pushed the true creative aspect (of the script) out of reach for those less advised.


Thanks for the read AsfarasSiam. Continuing on with the “is this too much a writer’s script” debate, some of that is accounted for by making John unfamiliar with screenwriting rules. Most of the stuff a general audience isn’t aware of is explained to them by having Writer explain it to John first. I definitely wanted to define the terms. Hopefully this would be a situation where it’s humorous enough for a general audience, with a little something extra for writers (although I’ll concede that a couple of these jokes might only work on the page).


Quoted from J.S.
Humor was a tad cheesy for my taste, but overall it was good nonetheless. It kept my interest.


Hey JS, thanks for reading. Humor can be a subjective thing, for sure, and at the end of the day I’m not sure I’d be capable of writing toward a sense of humor not my own. That being said I’d still welcome any examples of jokes you may have thought over the top. I don’t want to be adverse to subtlety if I can help it.

Anyway, thanks again to everyone for the feedback. It's much appreciated.
-Eric
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Good stuff there, I liked the two different worlds combined, it was kind of like instructions on how to write a script and a good story at the same time. It also helped me with the get to like the character bit about the cat.
So thanks for that
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Man, this was a fun read all the way through.

I liked it a lot.  

If you have anything else you're working on, I wouldn't mind checking it out.  


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brakes not breaks...

warily not wearily... unless he is actually tired.

If the writer really wanted the protag to save the cat, why didn't he write a distressed cat rather than one that looks comfortable? Maybe the protag is afraid of heights or something?

I think to be produced it may be prudent to cut the busy scene at the beginning of the script. The street performers etc, could come in expensive.

Aside from that, I really enjoyed this story. Very inventive and works well.
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Hi Eric

As I read it and I’ve not looked at the other comments first:

You had me at the tagline, I was interested straight away.

I smiled at the Cyclist’s comment about the hot pink bike.

Lol – John’s playing Candy Crush!

And then after that I kinda zoned out and got lost in the story. Before I knew it I was at the end and wanted more. Sorry! I loved it!

Sure I could be picky and say if the writer was writing the story he could control John rather than trying to ‘persuade’ him to do things but it was all symbolic, more of a metaphysical representation of a screenwriters struggles.  

I do want more and think this could be expanded.  John’s journey with the Writer could be longer and encompass more Screenplay angst lol but also afterwards. I was curious if you would explore what happens after the screenplay has finished or been deleted. Where do all the deleted screenplays go? An interesting concept.

Great story, great script – really enjoyed it.  

Mark








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Eric,

I didn't think they were over the top. I thought they were a bit too cheesy/obvious.

"I look stupid? You’re the grown man
riding a hot pink bike!"

"This candy’s not gonna crush
itself."

"No, I’m the next best thing. I’m a
writer!"

I would take away the next best thing part. Personally I would have laughed if it read, "Better. I'm a writer." What about "A writer. But thanks."?

"Are you going to hurt me?"

This I thought was premature since he doesn't know he's a writer of his world yet.

"What kinda
a-hole doesn’t like somebody just
cause they don’t know them?"

Maybe "Who do these assholes think they are?" would work better?

"Yeah, that’s good. Just like that."

This makes him sound like he's getting off on it.

-J.S.
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Hey Eric,

Checked this out based on the feedback. I'm not a big fan of meta or scripts about screenwriting but I figured I'd take the chance of being won over.

I wasn't, unfortunately. Similarly to J.S., I found the jokes too cute and obvious. Even cliche. I thought the overall idea of writers relying on contrivances was interesting but the script never reached as far as I thought it should in that direction. The gag with Ben's motivation being meth came close but didn't quite hit the mark.

I also thought the Writer was an idiot. I know that was sort of the point but I couldn't get in on the fun.

This has nothing to do with the writing BTW. For 17 pages, it was pretty breezy and the way the story played out worked for what it was supposed to be. The script simply wasn't my thing and honestly, I feel like it's been done before. I found very few surprises along the way.

I considered not posting a review of any kind because my issues are strictly a matter of taste. I opted to post something because as it happens, I DID like the gag with the pink wire and the fact that the Writer couldn't write women. Thought those were pretty sharp actually. The pink wire actually had a good setup and some significance in the story and the lack of good (even decent) female characters is a rampant issue in mainstream films at present. I would've liked to have seen more of this caliber.


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