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Posted: February 10th, 2019, 8:36pm Report to Moderator
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Just to be clear, there's nothing wrong with indicating the year with a super.  A lot of writers do that, it's just not an absolute must.





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It is indeed fine.   I can't count how many scripts I've seen it in.  As the writer, you need only point out to the reader what the year is, and you can do that simply in a slug.  Let the director, costume designer, set designer, etc. worry about making it LOOK like that year.  If you  need an example of a writer putting years in slugs and not including supers, check out Frank Darabont's script for The Shawshank Redemption.


Alot of writers do alot of things...that much we can agree on.

Sure, we can look back in time at lots of classics and find all sorts of screenwriting "things" that are not done anymore...or just don't really work.

For me, what's important when I "say" something here on SS, is to help those that don't know, and help them not make mistakes that they're unaware of.

When you tell inexperienced writers that it's perfectly fine to use years in Slugs, I don't think they'll ever understand what's not perfectly alright about doing it.  And I think it comes down to why would one want to include a year in a Slug...or why would one want to show a year with a SUPER.

If the year is important, the only way your viewers will know that year, is to use a SUPER....or show the year in some visual early on in the scene.  Period.


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Let's also understand that your example of Shawshank and Darabont is really not one to just throw out to brand new writers, because Darabont was already a successful writer and Shawshank came from a a Stehpen King short story.

This is not some new writer, writing his first Spec script.

And, let's also be clear, whenever someone pulls up a script, they have absolutely no idea what that script really is...is it the original Spec?  Is it a shooting script?  Is it the final revision?  Who knows?  Surely, you do not.


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Shawshank was just one example.  Surely you've seen it done in other scripts as well.

I tend to agree with you on a lot of your feedback, particularly that it's important to help newbs learn what mistakes to avoid.  I just don't happen to agree with you on this particular point, that's all.
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Shawshank was just one example.  Surely you've seen it done in other scripts as well.

I tend to agree with you on a lot of your feedback, particularly that it's important to help newbs learn what mistakes to avoid.  I just don't happen to agree with you on this particular point, that's all.


Yeah...I've seen it in lots of scripts...mostly new writers who don't have a clue.

I understand your point and we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.



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For me:

As is the case with all of these "rules" - clarity and tone are the paramount issues and I will break them in a New York minute if needed for clarity or tone.  It is always what makes a better read. That includes asides, umfilmables, wrylies. orphans and every other nit issue you can think of.

In the example presented, you want your reader to be crystal clear on the setting (time and place) and the vibe of that setting. Although the year in the header is certainly clear - the tone is absent. Unlike Frank's suggestion:


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A sparse apartment: bongo drums, bare mattress, trumpet, couch. And outside the window... New York City's GREENWICH VILLAGE.


Which did a nice job with tone. If I were writing this I would go with something like that and a SUPER for the time/place.

Now - it looks like the real  issue you have is page constraints. So,  as an example, if you are limited to ten pages and you have written this as crisply as possible but must use the year in the header to achieve that objective - okay dokay.  But keep in mind that it wouldn't be the best way to write it. It would be simply be the best way to write it to keep it to ten pages.

To Jeff's point - when something is presented like this it is hard for peeps to answer. The traditional way to do this is with a SUPER and you should at a minimum be aware of the traditional way.  Doesn't mean you should violate that tradition. But I think it always helps to know what the traditional approach is so that you can weigh the value of going an alternate route.


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See, there's no such thing as a 'quick slug question''.
Actually, there's no such thing as a quick slug.
Oxymoron.  



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Quoted from LC
See, there's no such thing as a 'quick slug question''.
Actually, there's no such thing as a quick slug.
Oxymoron.  



Excellent observation.  Good stuff


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