Spider-Man 2 - Print Topic

With the first installment of one of my favorite super-heroes, director Sam Raimi and screenwriter David Koepp showed that a great comic book pic could be created while still cateering to a mainstream audience. With "Spider-Man 2," Raimi (now with screen scribe Alvin Sargent) shows us not only is a comic book movie pertaining to mainstream audiences possible, but so is a sequel that is actually superior to the original.

Tobey McGuire is back as Peter Parker... or more apropriately, Spider-Man. Only this time, he is tired and beat. Two years have passed since he defeated the Green Goblin, and now he is just sick of having to give up his life for the life of a less-than-glamorous super-hero. With Mary-Jane (Kirsten Dunst) constantly sending him psuedo love signals and the Goblin's son, Harry Osbourne (James Franco) constantly hounding him about his father's "murderer," Parker is just sick of it.

That is, until a new villain shows his face... Dr. Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina) a.k.a. Dr. Octapus. He has to be stopped, and only the very confused Spider-Man can do it. But... does he want to?

"Fasten your seatbelts!" is what Octavius says in the first twenty minutes of the film... and boy, is he right! Faster dialogue, better (much better) special effects, and a much cooler villain adds up to one of the best (if not, the best) super-hero films of all time. With the origin out of the way, Raimi was able to go full-on "Evil Dead" mode with some of the most frightening images I've ever witnessed in a PG-13 rated film (specifically the surgery performed on Doc Ock).

If you loved the first film, than you will love its sequel. If you hated the original... you'll probably love the sequel. With so much going on, I can still feel my heart racing just remembering what will surely be known as a classic battle on the roof of a speeding train. Better yet, the part with the bank and Aunt May! Or even the part with, like, twenty strangers finding out the identity of their beloved hero! Or, what about...!

Not to mention the fantastic elements of real drama thrown in. This time we really, really feel for Parker. Everytime he looks into M.J.'s eyes, we feel the hurt. Everytime he speaks to Aunt May about Ben Parker, we see the shame on his face. Right after the action on the train, there is a scene where Spider-Man is forced to save the speeding locomotive as Ock bails out. Somehow, Parker manages to lose his mask, revealing his identity to at least twenty people.

Directly after saving the cart, he leans forward to fall over a fifty-foot drop (you'll see what I mean when you watch the film). Before he can, we zoom in on the spider symbol on his chest as... hands of the passengers hold him up, passing his half-dead body backwards to the back of the cart, placing him on the ground as if he were Jesus Christ. This was a very powerful moment for a comic-book film and, lo and behold, at two o'clock in the morning, I think I felt a tear roll down my cheek.

There are so many moments packed into this film, that the only complaint that I can say is that there is a bit of an overlapse between plotlines. Besides that... all I can say is SEE THIS FILM! I promise that this is the BEST film you will see all summer!

What I can say...?

**** out of ****

People find out who he is!?! HOW!?!

Just saw spiderman! Best spiderman movie EVER! oh yeah, theres only one other. Whatever.

How do they figure out hes spiderman? Im not gonna say, but a lot of people DO see him without his mask. Too bad for him.

And, they take a solid 10 minutes to set the friggin movie up for spiderman 3, which is gonna be awesome!

The animated series, which takes place in a slightly different universe than the movies, also ended with an awesome cliffhanger. The Peter Parker of the animated series got so fed-up with being spiderman, that he threw the spidey suit into the river. This fall, Spiderman's television audience will finally get to see how Peter Parker is motivated to don the suit once more.

There's another season of it coming?! YES!

Oops. I just checked certain web-sites, and it turns out that a second season MIGHT be produced. It definately won't be ready in time for this fall.

Which series are you talking about? The one from the early 90's or from the one that came out in 2003?

Cuase in the 90's series, Peter Parker kept being SpiderMan, and married Mary Jane Watson, and had a baby boy, that would keep the Legacy of Spider Man active.
I saw a couple episodes of the 2003 version of Spider Man, can some one expklain to me what is going on in that series so far?

And I saw Spider Man 2 like a couple minutes ago, and I was like OOH MY GOSH!!!, i loved the ending. This is a really must see.

I laughed, I cried, and I said "HOLY SHIT!"

Sorry,....

The 2003 series is done in 3D and rendered in 2D which gives it that cool moving comic book look. The characters Spide-rMan/Peter Parker, MJ, Harry are voiced by Neil Patrick Harris, Lisa Loeb, and Ian Ziering respectively.

It's done by MTV, so nearly every episode had a cool guest star. Eve, Rob Zombie, the one and only Jeffery Combs, and Stan Lee himself. It ended on a real dark note, with MJ and Harry alienated, Indy in a coma, the twins dead (watch it, you'll understand), and Parker questioning if he wants to be Spider-Man anymore. The last scene of the last episode has Parker tossing his spider suit into the river, in a briefcase, weighed down with bricks. Is this the end for Spider-Man?

This movie was truly just amazing. The action..Sam Raimi let loose this time, and believe me, it was a thing of beauty. Doc Ock is brutal, fast, viscious...oh man oh man.

There's a scene in there for Evil Dead fans, believe me. This is quality, pure, uncut Raimi. And it is awesome.

Bruce's cameo is great..just great..just..I can't get over how great the movie was. Writing is brilliant, cinematography is great..and the movie's hilarious when it needs to be.

Oh and Kirsten Dunst is a foxy lady.

**** out of ****

I saw it and loved it. It was by far the best superhero film ever made. It was fantastic. Everyone should see it.

I watched this last night and it is by far one of the best superhero movies of all time. It's the best superhero movie sequel since Batman Returns. The best thing going for it is it has a very strong connection witht he first one unlike The batman series which has little to no connection to eachother at all.

The movie ahs tons of humorous moments in it too. The Spider-man in the elevator scene had the entire theatre cracking up. Also spotting out several references to Evil Dead and the usual Director trademarks is always fun (I.E. The Shaky Cam, Bruce Campbell). I really wanted to cheer when the doctor grabbed that chainsaw because I knew it was a reference to Ash from Evil Dead.

The supporting cast has a bigger role as well. Aunt May plays a bigger part in the sequel and Harry Osbourne has been well developed as well.

I give it a 10/10.

Well while you all clearly loved this film, I for one thought it was shallow and very basic. It was the same ol' same ol' with a new story. They even went so far as to use alot of the tricks from the 1st movie "the burning buliding" C'mon! "Mary Jane getting taken again" C'mon!

Batman returns showed that you do not need to have a motive of mayhem to back up a brilliant plot. However, that is where this and Batman part ways. Batman returns was brilliant, this was not.

I for one do not see RAIMI being this big SPIDERMAN fan. I see him as a basic run of the mill director who got lucky. He spouts off about this and that about how he loved spiderman so so much when he was a kid, yeah right! Then why can't you get a single segement of Spidermans or Parkers life right?

DR. OCTOPUS was a dissapoinment, in it he didn't look anything like DR. OCTOPUS, however... he was the biggest draw to the movie. DOC. OCT was really cool, even though he had no fundamental backing at all whatsoever. I mean, I couldn't tell you what he really planned on doing. I couldn't. He wanted to created a mini sun????? What a great plot!

Anyway, I don't think Kirsten is right for mary jane. I simply don't. She's not attractive and she's kinda sickly skinny. She needs to pack on some fat like the clearly chubbier Toby. They even added muscle to the suit this time... nah! I don't like it.

The train scene went on to long and made me really hate the movie more. Everyone finds out who spiderman is now. Only 2 into it and yet we know... i don't like it. I would have omitted that whole scene.

In the end.. DR. O was the big draw. He had a coolness about him, even though he wasn't so cool. He didin't look like DR. O and he didn't act like him, but he was so so so much better than the lame GREEN GOBLIN in the 1st movie.

I don't want to see a 3rd one. I'm actually sick of superhero movies all together, cause no one can get them right.

Good effort, but lacks in all area's.

Also how can you say aunt may was better developed likewise for HARRY?

Aunt may leaves the show halfway thru and is never seen or mentioned again for no reason at all. She had all her crap on the sidewalk and that was it. Nothing else said about her. Yeah, really well developed.

Harry spent half the movie saying incredibly stupid things like "Your friend spiderman" "Covering for your friend spiderman"

That is not buliding his character and if you are talking about the big ending where he locates his father's seceret room "which was so over the top stupid" Then it was forced. I didn't like this movie.

I felt it was to forced and to over the top. The comedy wasn't funny. The "SO CALLED" RAIMI back to his roots scenes are very tame to what you are making it out. You all act like blood and guts fly and fling. If you think that is the case, then you simply have no clue as to what RAIMI is all about.

The movie was tame and the movie was shallow and loaded with un-needed banter and set ups. I simply loath this movie. It is right in line with Xmen, daredevil, hulk, punisher and the like.

MAY CONTAIN MINOR SPOILERS

Alright, alright... I've been watching this thread for some time, not responding until the one guy who hated it made his post. If you didn't like it, that's fine. That's your opinion, and I am not going to change it. But, the one problem I have is you calling Sam Raimi a "basic" director. Raimi may be one of the most original directors I have seen in some time... at least since Tim Burton (not to create a "Batman" connection or anything).

The scene with Ock's surgery (as previously mentioned by another poster) had a very, very distinct "Evil Dead" overtone, and not just because of the chainsaw. As for the train fight... easily the greatest super-hero on super-villain action I have ever seen put on film. When Parker's lifeless body was being passed back into the train, quite a few theater patrons began to giggle... not me. Actually, I may have cried (God, I hope not).

As for Aunt May's character development... fantastic! Her being rescued by Spider-Man (specifcally her "For shame!" line as she smacked Ock in the head) had me on my feet, applauding (literally... it was a midnight showing, so I wasn't alone ;)). Her speech towards the middle had me tearing (again) while also giving the theater goer (at least me anyway) the feeling that she just may know more about her nephew than Peter seems to think.

As for Harry's development... wonderful! Those who know the books know he becomes Green Goblin (and NOT Hobgoblin, as some seem to think), yet, still, I thought his stumbling upon his father's secret was brilliantly filmed (and the un-expected cameo by Willem Dafoe certainly helped).

Finally, with Dock Ock, I found that Alfred Molina did a fantastic job. Did he wear his trademark, green power suit? No... but how ridiculous would that be? Granted, it is a comic book movie, but still. After all, you have to remember that Octavius was pretty much homeless. And, while the trechcoat certainly worked for me, I have to say, I thought he looked the coolest with the torn hospital gown on (and the blind fold was just cool).

To me, I would have to say that my top three favorite comic book films would have to be (this coming from somebody whom has a 1,000+ comic book collection):

1.) "Spider-Man 2"
2.) "Hellboy"
3.) "Ghost World"

The "Batman" films (the first two anyway) are not included simply because, to me, they suffer from "Dune" syndrom. They're good films, just not good Batman films (another good example is "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within": a good film, just not a good "Final Fantasy" film).

The worst three:

1.) "Batman & Robin" (baltis, you have to agree with me there)
2.) "Superman IV" (good lord, Superman Vs. the lead singer of a hair band)
3.) "Daredevil" (just see my review from last year)

To everyone, please post your own lists for best and worst comic films.

I disagree with almost everything you had to say.

I can see your a die hard SPIDERMAN fan and you are the guy that can pick out the hidden easter eggs within, that's cool... for you.

Let me tell you somthing. I don't follow comic books. I don't really like them. I've never read and entire Spiderman comic even. The funny thing is though, I know what's right. What's wrong and what's not needed.

I spotted Stan LEE in both films.
I see the ties to the 1964 comic where the 1st in comic death took place, in a spiderman book to boot.

You know why I know this stuff... ? Cause I'm well cultured. You can not pull the wool over my eyes.

You liked the movie, I hated it and with good reason. I think RAIMI's best work is behind him... to bad it's gonna be the 1st Evil Dead. I simply do not like him much. I respect his vision and his honest work, but he's clearly not a great.

I know of his legion of diehard fans... but they are a few small and in between VERMILION to me.

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You say it would have looked stupid to have DOC. O look like he does in the comic????? I don't understand this. That's the way he was intended to look, STAN LEE made him that way for a reason. Why **** it up?

You make little to no sense. You like SPIDERMAN and his universe... but you don't like the way the characters are ment to look... so you opt to change them. Alright there pal.

I'm sure you also agree with the race change of all these characters too, right? Do you think the SCARECROW was a black man? Do you? Do you really think that KINGPIN was black too? What about CATWOMAN? Don't give me after her death, that's a technical issue that went to the birds, real quick.

You also probably liked that the xmen look nothing like the xmen, don't you? I'm thru talking to you.

I'm not trying to change your opinion, but your views are really vauge. You make no sense and you back up your rebutles to me, with... yup! you guessed it, more praise to the scense I just destroyed and broke down to nothingness. Why?

You went and explained everything you said in your 1st post... Leave it at that. You added not one new thing to this topic, but a list of movies "YOU" think are the best. Whatever dude.

Spiderman 2 was flawed and it fell in line to being one of the worst comic book adaptations ever! Ever!

My opinion, but hey... you asked for it when you started this thread.

Am I a die-hard comic book fan? Yes. Am I a die-hard movie fan? Yes. Do the two always co-exist? No... hardly ever. So, I understand why things are changed. Wolverine in yellow tights? Illustrated on paper: awesome! Put on film: terrible. So, I recognize when things need to be changed. Am I "well cultured?"

Pfft.

No. I am just realistic (and a total film/comic geek), and I know what will and will not work. For proof of this, just take a look at the shelved "Fantastic Four" film. The creators (of the film) decided to make the costumes the same color as the comic, a bright blue. This, unfortunatly, makes the actors look like they are wearing halloween costumes. Something as simple as a darker, different shade of blue would have helped tremendously (as seen in the Spider-Man films).

As for the race issue? No, doesn't really bother me. Michael Clarke Duncan wasn't good as Kingpin not because he was black, but because he just did not play the Kingpin as well as I would have hoped. As for Halle Berry as "Catwoman?" Jesus, I know a mistake when I see one, and I do not even consider this a comic-book film anymore (not just because of the character changes, but also because of the costume... Jesus Christ...).

And what did you mean referring to Scarecrow as black?

Now, you seem to think that I am saying the only reason you did not like the film was because you never read the comics (perhaps I am wrong). This is not what I meant at all. As a matter of fact, this was obviously a very big hit... and I highly doubt that everyone that liked this ever even opened a comic book, let alone a Spider-Man one.

Raimi fans few and far between? Certianly a cult icon, but that didn't seem to stop half the theater I attended (at all three screenings I attended... lonely soul, I know) to come out of the theater either laughing it up over Bruce Campbell's cameo or even the way a lot of people tended to come out saying, "Dude, that surgery scene was right out of 'Evil Dead.'" And, whether these leagions of "Spider-Man" (the movie) fans know it or not, they are now Raimi fans. Few and far between? I doubt that.

Finally, do not bring up the comment about "leave your first post alone, and do not add anything else." If I left your post alone, and instead, only made a second post to agree with everyone whom enjoyed "Spider-Man 2," would that be wrong? No, so let me defend my claim (hence, the purpose of message boards).

MORGAN FREEMAN is playing SCARECROW in the new batman movie... is that a stretch of the mind's 3rd eye? I think so. He wasn't black! I hate this! I hate this not cause of the actual black actor or actress, but because the characters they are playing are not BLACK! It gives everyone a redirection in mental comunication breakdown. I don't understand where this is normal.

Anyway, yes... you liked SPIDERMAN 1 & 2, cool! I didn't. I thought the movie was slow at times, cheeseball at others, and down and out boarder line retarded in the rest.

I thought the "SO CALLED" operation scene was crap! That is not how I would have invisioned the whole thing coming about and to be fused together with these arms... C'mon! Also, how in the hell did he turn good at the end? How?

The biggest plot hole in the movie...

As long as he had that chip on his neck "HE WOULD CONTROLL THE ARMS, RATHER THEM CONTROLLING HIM" alright, RAIMI and the screenwriter... dig you way out of this one. The CHIP was destroyed. They would have complete controll over him, there was no going back, but not in RAIMI's eyes. He went against the moral of his own story. LOL!

GREAT DIRECTOR? PFFF! He couldn't even keep his movie together. Do you see that there was no way for him to go back to his former self, given what you know about the chip in his neck. It would be impossable.

This movie was loaded to the helm with things like this. also, BRUCE's small part wasn't even funny. It was rather dictated and forced. Very by the book and predictable. The slap stick 3 stooges moment, just didn't fly with me.

Also, since when did HARRY's dad have time to construct this room? When? Only 1 of them hoverboard things was in existance to boot. Also the mask and all the bombs? No I'm not buying any of it. HARRY walks into a seceret room with all this high tech gadgetory and rare multi million dollar stuff, that the government wouldn't even fund. Yeah, right!

I now know why the first spiderman was so weak... GREEN GOBLIN was spending all his time in that damn room, making muliple pumpkin bombs and hoverboards, not to mention new GREENGOBLIN suits. Why would he need abother one? Where did he get the mask from? Was that a U.S. GOVERNMENT requirement?

Do you see how stupid this movie really is? Do you see how many plot holes are in this pile of ****? SPIDERMAN 1 & 2 are very shallow movies with no fundamental backings at all whatsoever.

Thanks you's and good bye.

Balt.

Dude, stop posting on this thread. If you didn't like the movie, why the fuck are you making such long posts about it? No one is going to change their opinion just because you didn't like either of the movies. How can you call the movies cheeseball? Look at the source! The dialogue is horrible in the old comics and that's why it's cheesy in the movie, because it's faithful to the comic book.

"MORGAN FREEMAN is playing SCARECROW in the new batman movie... is that a stretch of the mind's 3rd eye? I think so. He wasn't black! I hate this! I hate this not cause of the actual black actor or actress, but because the characters they are playing are not BLACK! It gives everyone a redirection in mental comunication breakdown. I don't understand."

Hmm... too bad you're wrong. Morgan Freeman is playing Lucius Fox, Bruce Wayne's millionaire friend. Cillian Murphy (a white man, he played Jim in "28 days later...") is playing Jonathan Crane, aka Scarecrow. For a picture of Bale as the Bat pinning Murphy as Crane against an unseen structure, follow this link:

http://www.themoviebox.net/php/news/stories.php?subaction=showfull&id=1087114983&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

Yes, my bad on the above. I heard one thing and then another... that is very good news... however... I think the new batman is gonna suck beyond belief. A batmobile with monster truck tires... lol!

Also, where is this guy coming from? SCARECROW wasn't until way way way later in the batman universe.

Also, FOX wasn't a black man either. So either way they still screwed this up.

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Also, my points are valid on spiderman... the plot holes are there, you all are just to die hard spidy fans to wanna see them.

Fox is a black man. Just see this link:

http://www.geocities.com/area51/shadowlands/4733/LUCIUS-FOX.htm

As for "Batman Begins"... well, there is just no pleasing you is there? The tank-like vehicle? Straight out of "The Dark Knight Returns." Simply put, I cannot wait. I really dig the idea of the majority of the film revolving around Bruce Wayne, and not his alter-ego (I.e.: the costume coming from a prototype milatary suit created by Wayne Enterprises, as well as the vehicle).

As for Scarecrow coming too early, for somebody who digs the early, Burton Batman films, you certainly are being picky. Was Joker an early villian? No. Was Joker's name "Jack Napier." No, it was just never decided. Though, it is for these same continuity errors that I think I enjoy "Batman Returns" the most (Michelle Pfeifer as Catwoman was great [as well as her origin] and you can never go wrong with Christopher Walken... except for "Gigli").

Finally, back to "Spider-Man," is there continutity errors? God yes! But just look at the books. "Dead" super-villains would come and go over and over without any explanation. Same with any comic. Still, I do not think Ock over-coming his tentacles despite the broken chip called for some kind of super leap of logic. He had to fight the tentacles to force them to let go of Parker's neck.

Perhaps he could have fought them the entire time... he just chose not to. He was just so bent on finishing his life work (not to mention the greiving of his dead wife) to even consider ignoring the super smart monstrosities attached to his body. Just look at the early scene where Ock, wearing tattered green robes, stands over the edge of the dock, spouting out a monologue all about how his "monstrous tentacles belonged at the bottom of the river." He even realized the chip was broken... perhaps that helped to feed his feelings that it was worthless to fight the tentacles anyway... it was pointless.

Not to get too deep (too late), but sometimes you have to look beyond the surface to see the better film.

I've tried that... but I'm still not buying any of it. RAIMI was said to be a huge spiderman fan and it is not showing within his movies. I think that they are to to to over the top and try to send you on a roller coaster between funny and dark. It doesn't work.

RAIMI dropped the ball and it's time to pass it to someone else on the next go around. I think he's done all he can with the franchise and it's going nowhere. He's advanced the plot way beyond where it should be. If he wanted things to pick up and go... then he should have started it later in PARKERS life and not a kid.

VENOM and CARNAGe are set for the next film along with the new GOBLIN -- to many villians prooved to kill BATMAN & ROBIN, it'll kill this too. Only VENOM & CARNAGE are way way way way way way later in the SPIDERMAN universe. WTF is he thinking?

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Also... The screenwritter and RAIMI are two different people. RAIMI just directed this movie, he did not write either of them. For all intense and purposes... RAIMI is just the guy showing us the pictures of another guys idea.

Whether or not you liked Spiderman, Baltis, what'd you think of The Gift, A Simple Plan, Darkman, Crimewave, For Love of the Game, the Evil Dead trilogy, and The Quick and the Dead?

I personally consider Raimi to be far from a basic director. Have you seen these other films, and if so, what'd you think of them?

A simple plan was great... but it was also a book. Anyone could have stepped into the chair and made this movie, as long as they followed the book.

The gift was shallow.

Darkman was laughable. Cool, but laughable. The acting was terible and the plot was a little bit to much.

The evil dead trilogy is 95% ****! Evil Dead is the only one that did anything for it's self shadowing. The other 2 were mere hack jobs.

Quick and the dead was appauling. It wasn't a good western. Action flick. Anything. Q&TD was flat out crap!

Crime wave and for love of the game were two movies I didn't care to even see... They did not appeal to me or my taste.

RAIMI is a very basic director in my eyes. He falls back on proven work and good screenplays to get himself by. Look at a movie he wrote himself "EVIL DEAD" "SKINNER" <<<< I think so anyway, not sure. And you will see how green he still is.

My opinion only.

Bruce Campbell was in it? Where? I saw the movie on one of the hugest screens ever built, and yet I didn't notice Bruce Campbell. Where was he?

In Spiderman 2?

He's the snooty usher.

In Spiderman 1 he's the wrestling announcer. Give me any other Raimi stuff and I'll tell you who Bruce is in it.

Venom and Carnage in the sequel? All heresay at this point... none of it has been proven, so saying Raimi is pushing the series to a limit is not justified. As a matter of fact, not a single thing is even known about a third entry, so most of the fans hoping for a hint of Venom in this one went on to claim that the third one will have him. As for Carnage... both in one film would certainly be pushing it and (like "Batman and Robin") could possibly destroy the franchise... though, at least Spider-Man does not have any sidekicks... except for possibly Black Cat, though she was axed from the script of the sequel. See:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316654/trivia

Also, saying anybody can create a good movie from a good book (as long as it follows the novel) is strongly mistaken. Just look at "The Road to Wellville" or (*shudder*) "Sphere." Both followed the plot damn near exactly... and both turned out to be piles of crap.

baltis, all I can say is that I think you are too hard to please. I mean, certain movies have to be watched in a different stage of mind. To me, you're coming off as the snooty film (not "movie," but film) critic.

"Darkman was laughable. Cool, but laughable. The acting was terible and the plot was a little bit to much."

Alright, the acting was bad, and, yes, that can destroy a film (unless possibly intentional, much like "Starship Troopers"). But the plot was a bit too much? What movie is not? Your signature reads: FULCI LIVES! While I agree with the statement tremendously (be on the look out: Special Edition of "Zombi 2" finally coming out this month), would you not say that Fulci's plotlines were a bit much? Just a little?

Not at all... FULCI's movies were backed by the idea that this stuff is smok and mirrors. Also, he wasn't trying to please anyone. He was making out of this world horror flicks with what little he had.

FULCI is a master director and hands RAIMI his lungs in the chair any day of the week.

Most of FULCI's work is very un-noted cause he was known for way way more than horror over in italy. He was a master of everything he touched. Westerns, drama's, comedy, horror, thriller, crim drama's, and even a SOAP OPERA.

RAIMI wouldn't even be able to lace FULCI's right shoe, let alone both of them.

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I don't agree with RAIMI being a great director... he's to unproven.

Also, BRUCE was the last face you saw in DARKMAN, when he turns around on the busy street.

Someone was questioning this.. I think?

Oh..that's what movie you meant. Why yes..yes Bruce was the last face in Darkman, on the busy street as Liam Neeson disappears into the distance.

I think Raimi is really quite hit-and-miss..not so much perhaps with Spiderman but definitely with some of his older films. I know people who will claim he is brilliant, and people who will say he is an idiot. I say he makes movies I enjoy, so good health to him.

Oh, the snooty usher! He was on screen for a long time, and yet I didn't recognise him. How could I not recognise him? I guess it means he's a much better actor than I thought he was.

That guy was..........HEY, that usher was............

They made him look like a giant or somthing... I think so you didn't have any thoughts of him loosing his job as an ultra flashy ring announcer, who went to work for an uptight theater.

I dunno?

I thought he had the least memorable part in the movie, other than KIRSTEN DUNST and her new boyfriend/soon to be husband "who I gave not one ounce of piss for"

Also, J joana jameson was fantastic as ever. He was the best part of the show. Him and DR. OCTOPUS. "Who wasn't anything like I thought he should be, but pulled off a different kind of DOC OC.

Other than that, you all know my gripes and complaints about the movie and why I simply did not care for it.

THE FLASH TV PILOT was head and shoulders above both spiderman movies... it doesn't help that I am head over heels in love with the flash though. I think he is the best superhero ever... he has a certin... charm about himself that is really cool.

"This comes from someone who doesn't read comics and never even owned one" I just think the FLASH is a univerally cool concept. A superhero with his own vice and conflict.

Spiderman drops the ball as does all the rest.

Actually, I've always been partial to the Flash TV pilot myself. I always dug the final battle against the head of the biker gang (cannot remember his name, I have not seen it in quite some time).

As far as the best TV series based on a comic book? Hands down, the early 90's Batman animated series, which, ny the way, comes out on DVD tommorrow.

BATMAM ANIMATED was very cool... to bad they went sour with all of it though. Those newer ones... just awful.

Like its live-action counter-part, the animated series started to go south when all of the new sidekicks were introduced. Not necessarily Robin, but certainly when Batgirl and (ick) Nightwing started to show up.

Though, my favorite episode (and I believe it is in the first season) is the episode were Batman fights the Joker on a boat and Joker has some kind of robot. When I was a little kid, I remember this giving me genuine frights (as well as the Scarecrow... that animated fucker is still probably going to give me nightmares).

But can you believe the show is 12 years old? I still remember watching the series premiere; it was on a prime time spot (probably 8:00) and Batman fought the Man-Bat (one of the best, unknown Batman villains).

Bruce is in it? I suddenly feel the need to watch this movie.

I finally went to see this film and I guess it was worth it, I mean it didn't do anything new. They made Spiderman in cgi look a little better than the first but still it gets blurry

Overall it was a good safe film but I didn't get the Harry discovering his fathers layer because if he becomes the green Goblin we'll have to sit through Spiderman 1 all over again

I'd give the film a 5 out of 5 for overall quality and fun if you're a fan or even if you're not, you'll still have fun

I just saw Spider-Man 2. I have never read the comics, and have rarely seen the cartoon. Perhaps that is why I came to this conclusion:

It was AMAZING! Loved every minute of it. The (deliberately) cheesy moments (like how they snuck in the original theme song!) made me laugh, the emotional moments hit the right spot, and the action was nothing short of incredible in my opinion. The Subway sequence (which I gathered from the trailer was going to be the BIG show off moment) was great; much more exhilarating than I thought it would be. The action in the first film seems non-existent compared to this. I loved the first film as well, but this tops it in EVERY way. Oh, and Oc's wife's death was cool, loved the whole reflection in the glass thing lol.

I don't read comics or anything, so I'm never going "you're ruining the comics!" while watching this new wave of Marvel Super Hero movies. I don't think this means however, that I can be sucked into any old load of tripe and like it. Daredevil was...ehh...there just wasn't much there (bad CGI as well, see that RAT?!! Lol). I TRIED to like Hulk, and appreciate it for it's more mature angle and focus on relationships etc...but no. It just didn't really work. It was ok I guess...but I definitely expected more. It didn't wow me like Spider-Man. A much more satisfying experience of The Hulk can be had by going to Islands of Adventure and riding the roller coaster. Now THAT was entertaining!!!

Having NO previous insight into these characters and stories, I can only judge them as movies, and not as other mediums like comics, T.V shows, books etc. As MOVIES, the Spider-Man and X-Men films kept me greatly entertained and I love watching them. The others (that I've seen) just seemed...ugh. What I'm saying is that I don't want anyone saying "Well you haven't read the comics. Anyone who's read the comics would know it's awful". Well I didn't read the comics for Daredevil and Hulk either, but I still saw them for what they were: Not all that great. No one has to agree with me, but I trust myself when I say that Spider-Man 2 is wicked!

Oh, I will also add that I'm not a film snob or expert. I rate a film by how it makes me feel. This film entertained and excited me. Call me simple, but this is why I think it's good.

Ian
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I saw it last night at the VERY last Drive-in in Losa Angeles County. Sad that these great bits of American are soon to be lost forever.

Anyway, I enjoyed it inspite of my low expectations. For the genre this was very well done and rose above the superficiality of other super hero films.

I would put this one on par with the first two Superman Films.
Unfortunately we all no what happens to a franchise after the first two films. The third in the series rarely hols up. The only series I can think of that has kept its strength through three films is Rocky.

Another series that held up quite well are the Indiana Jones films. Argubaly, the third, "The Last Crusade," is actually the best. Still, very true that series seem to go down hill on the third try. Just look at "Jaws" or "Star Wars" (though, in the latter case, it's technically the first films that suck even though they were made after the original trilogy... what a mind fuck).

I'll begrudgingly give you The Indian Jones series. The third was well done.
As far as Star Wars: The second was superior to the first. IMHO.

Yes- "Empire" is the best- Boba Fett got the most screen time ("Attack of the Clones" doesn't count).

This thread may be dead, but I'll bury it with this...

To anyone who didn't like Spidey 2, go here... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_2/ , you clearly are in the minority.

Spidey 2 on par with the first two Superman films?

That's stiff competition.

But you know what? I'll agree. I think Spiderman 2 was right on up there. I still think Superman is the best comic book hero movie ever.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd just like to remind you that despite this incident, New York's subway system is still our safest and most efficient mode of transportation.

For god's sakes think of the people!

..sorry.

The Empire Strikes Back is one of the best movies ever. You know, I really think that the 2nd one was for the fans of the comic book. I know I'm one (and have been since I was, like, 10) and looking back on all of my comics and graphic novels I have in a spare closet in my apartment, a lot of shots, scenes, lines, and plot points seemed to have been inspired by the comic book. When I went to look at the credits on imdb, I half-expected Stan Lee to be under the screenwriting credit.

“ Trailer Rocked, Movie Sucked. ”

Sorry for this comment; But I have nothing else to say. I was a huge fan of Sam Raimi’s first Spiderman. When he came up with second chapter by watching those trailers, Behind the scenes footages, premier notes, I expected a better sequel. But what I got.. a disgusting insulted trash.

I was completely SUCKED UP; it neither comes under a love story or action movie. I was the most stupid person to expect such greater stories from Colombia pictures. I got a stupid chubby love story. It was Crap; It’s simply a Movie for the Sissies.

Spiderman 2 (Spoilers******)

I don’t know who scripted this screwing story, being Spiderman the script didn’t give Parker a dual personality. After the first original movie he must have something developed in his character but the script shows Parker like “he was a looser, he is a looser and he always be a looser.”

Tobey is still best in portraying Girly Peter Parker. Only God knows whether he have an expression called ‘Anger’. Despite his body image I accept him as the confused Peter Parker in first movie which was well played by him. But this time, a role which was well established now in the second run, were fans wanted to see his mature dark side Tobey shows his sissy side. Weak in dialogue presentation, no thick sound, no extreme expression he looked like a Bisexual chicken in Spidy/Parker costume. Also Kirsten Dunst was the worst part of the movie. MJ, a gorgeous character supposed to be was more like a whore in Kirsten’s hand. I hate J.K. Simmons from the first movie. He changed the enraged J. Jonah Jameson into an angry buffoon. Alfred Molina also sucked up his negative part; he has no mannerism in portraying the arch enemy which was done perfectly by the talented Willem Dafoe in the first movie. After Dafoe’s surprise cameo, the only thing excited me in this movie was the performance of James Franco as a tortured soul thirsty for revenge. I am sure he will make a great villain like Dafoe in the coming chapter.

The great villain in this movie was Sam Raimi. When the first movie released I always imagined Raimi’s versatile take on - MJ discovering the truth ‘Parker is Spiderman’. But I never expected he would do this much destruction to this franchise. Seems that entire people and their children plus their pets, discovered that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Why he did such freaking turn-overs on Peter's secret identity. Raimi raped Spiderman and all his fans by doing this idiotic mastery.

Also Danny Elfman failed miserably for giving a thrilling score comparing with the smashing music on the trailers. The only best thing from this movie is its trailer as well as the trailer music, which misguided me and lots of others for seeing this crap.

All in all, the weak screenplay with ridicules storylines makes this lame chapter a big disappointment for the True fans. I wish Sony would have avoided this sequel; it would have taken a more time gap from the original movie without this lame plot. Making Maguire a more matured aged late 20’s male with some strong sound and built. This movie is only meant for the sissy females and girl men; the true fans and the angry straight guys like me hate these types of junks. “I gave this movie 0 out of 100!”

Spiderman 2 = Movies for the Sissies.

Go and watch if you are that much sissy.