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Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 29th, 2011, 10:07am
I applaude those who wrote something for the 3WC and I promise to read them all.

I do however sense that there was some disappointment with the challenge. It was a good idea to have a challenge to write something longer than 10 pages, but people love the shorts.

Can't we have a regular OWC in February?  Thoughts?
Posted by: jwent6688, January 29th, 2011, 10:30am; Reply: 1
I would love one.

I blame Phil completely for the 3WC. The idea was great, but I was hoping for a  22-24 page recent sitcom. Meh, I'm stuck to writing horror, because writing horror better then most is easier. And, I'm not that good.

I still love ya, Phil. - But that's two in a row for me. Vegan and a carnivore? I couldn't write that either.

I would love it if Don throws one up. I love that week where your brain churns to come up with something. I actually drink less. A little.

James
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), January 29th, 2011, 10:33am; Reply: 2
OWC's are usually every three months.  You should know that.


Phil
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 29th, 2011, 10:36am; Reply: 3

Quoted from dogglebe
OWC's are usually every three months.  You should know that.


Phil


I know that...
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), January 29th, 2011, 10:39am; Reply: 4
Okay then.  See you in March or April...


Phil
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, January 29th, 2011, 10:59am; Reply: 5

Quoted from dogglebe
OWC's are usually every three months.


Works for me. Because this Star Trek thing wasn't an OWC. So, can we have one in February? A good one...
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), January 29th, 2011, 11:10am; Reply: 6
This was a good one.  It's easy to write a script with your own characters; no one can say they're off.  When using established characters, it's harder to do.

If you want to write something, then write something; you don't need a OWC for that.


Phil
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, January 29th, 2011, 11:36am; Reply: 7

Quoted from dogglebe
This was a good one.  It's easy to write a script with your own characters; no one can say they're off.  When using established characters, it's harder to do.

If you want to write something, then write something; you don't need a OWC for that.


I'd have to disagree with you on that. You pick a show, that while everyone has heard of it, it's about as niche as you can get. People are either hardcore fans or couldn't care less.

And, for people who don't know, you say it should feel like an episode. If you don't know the show, you have to be researching that, which cuts into your writing time.

Not to be argumentative, but a much better challenge would be for you to say write a Star Trek episode. If you don't know this show, feel free to write a fan fic for a show you are familiar with. I guarantee you, you would've not only had more participants, but you'd also have higher quality scripts if people know the show they're writing about.

Just something to think about.
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), January 29th, 2011, 12:45pm; Reply: 8
At the same time, if you want to write a fan fic of any given show, then just write one.  You don't need a OWC for this.  I'm currently writing an episode of a television show for some of the upcoming fellowship programs.  As soon as I finish this one, I'll write another one of a different television show.

Just write something.  


Phil
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 29th, 2011, 12:58pm; Reply: 9
Anyone can write whatever they want at any time. The point was that people really love the OWC...
Posted by: Ryan1, January 29th, 2011, 6:07pm; Reply: 10
I agree with Pia and James.  I think a February OWC would be a great idea.  I didn't enter this 3WC because I'm in the middle of finishing a feature and couldn't commit to 45 pages of fan fiction.  Everyone loves the OWC because of that one week deadline and the inevitable controversy about the subject.  Last one was what, October?  Yep, time for another one.
Posted by: Dreamscale, January 29th, 2011, 6:47pm; Reply: 11
Definitely time for another one.  The last 2 were very weak and limiting in what we could actually write.

Is it harder to write in a very small corner?  Sure it is, but it also isn't as fun, and IMO, it really showed with the last 2 OWC's.

I say open it up, make it fun, and let the writers write, for God's sake!
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), January 29th, 2011, 6:50pm; Reply: 12
The whole point is for it to be a challenge - that's why it's limiting.
Posted by: Dreamscale, January 29th, 2011, 7:02pm; Reply: 13
Nothing wrong with a challenge and nothing wrong with being limited, but there's a fine line and it was crossed on both of the last 2 OWC's, IMO.

The problem occurs when the vast majority of the scripts are all the same.  It makes for dull and tedious reads when there is an exact amount of characters, for instance, or when you have to have a character in a wheelchair...just didn't work at all, IMO.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 29th, 2011, 7:20pm; Reply: 14
The best challenge I've ever taken part in here was actually a non official one and it was started by Martin Lancaster I believe. It was also the first script of mine here. It was in Feb -06 (I think). The challenge was to write a 10-15 page script with absolutely no dialogue. It had more impact on me than any other challenge. Film is a visual medium and that was an awesome excersise.  I even remember most of the scripts entered still.
Posted by: Andrew, January 29th, 2011, 11:26pm; Reply: 15
While I agree with Phil that a OWC is not needed for someone to write, I also agree a challenge of some sort would be welcome.

Why not a "Pia and Jeff's Unofficial Challenge in a Week"?? Just to avoid trademark issues and inevitable court disputes! Or it could just be a consensus challenge where we go ahead with an agreed theme. Surely this would circumvent the issues with not liking the subject matter.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), January 29th, 2011, 11:31pm; Reply: 16

Quoted from Andrew

Why not a "Pia and Jeff's Unofficial Challenge in a Week"??


Oh Lord!  A combination made in Hell (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 30th, 2011, 12:27am; Reply: 17
How about a 5 year anniversary challenge of the no dialogue script?
Posted by: Dreamscale, January 30th, 2011, 1:24am; Reply: 18
How about a script with no written words?
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, January 30th, 2011, 9:57am; Reply: 19
I could do with some scripts.  I could hand out some ideas to individuals as a challenge...or we could work something else out together.
Posted by: jwent6688, January 30th, 2011, 11:58am; Reply: 20

Quoted from Andrew
Why not a "Pia and Jeff's Unofficial Challenge in a Week"?? Just to avoid trademark issues and inevitable court disputes!


I like this. You two figure the stats. Page limit. And the story content. Then we can all post our scripts with FOWC attached to the title. I don't think Don would get mad. It would be less work for him.

There would be less entries. It would mostly be solid board members.

James

Posted by: Dreamscale, January 30th, 2011, 12:32pm; Reply: 21
I'm good with that or I'm good with having Rick take the helm.
Posted by: ReaperCreeper, January 30th, 2011, 2:43pm; Reply: 22
I agree that the show selected was not nearly accesible enough for many people, but I see no reason why we should have another OWC so soon after this one -- even though this one wasn't "technically" an OWC -- but I digress. For what it's worth, I liked the idea behind it.

When there is an OWC that doesn't interest me, I simply don't participate in it and wait for the next one like anybody else. It's as simple as that.

We can all make our own challenge if we wiished to:

"Hi! I'm an independent producer seeking a high quality feature HORROR screenplay with an emphasiz on Drama.

I have only ten actors to work with; I also have aging make-up at my disposal --

JANE SMITH (20s-- can play as young as sixteen or as old as 25)

JOHN SMITH (20s--can play as young as sixteen or as old as 25)

JOANNE DOE (40s--can play as old as mid-fifties or as young as mid-thirties)

JOE DOE (40s--can play as old as mid-fifties or as young as mid-thirties)

JAKE JOHNSON (child--can play as young as six or as old as 8 )

JAINA JOHNSON (child--can play as young as six or as old as 8 )

JERRY SMITHSON (scruffy looks, limited acting ability, can play late teens)

JADE SMITHSON [FEMALE!] (slightly overweight, limited acting ability, can play late teens)

We cannot afford any digital effects, expensive shots or elaborate sets (LOCATION ONLY! Urban areas preferred, small-town or rural settings possible for a couple of scenes), though we can afford fake blood and prosthetic make-up.

Remember, make it heavy on the Drama. We are looking for a Horror screenplay that would work even without the Horror angle.

You have until the end of February at midnight to finish it. Now get to writing, dammit."

See? Simple.

I'm down with a non-OWC challenge by Pia or anyone if she's interested in making one.

  
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 30th, 2011, 2:49pm; Reply: 23
I personally think writing a 10 pager with no dialogue in any genre is very helpful. Especially since so many people love to write dialogue heavy scripts. I'm reading one right now, but I'll give it a break since it's a TV show.

My thinking was also to breathe some life into these boards because the OWC always creates chatter and discussions. It's been very dead here for quite some time, but hey, maybe nice and quiet is what people like.

and no, I don't need a OWC in order to write. I write every day and will continue to do so even if this website went away.
Posted by: khamanna, January 30th, 2011, 2:58pm; Reply: 24
No dialog - hey! I'd like that. Very challenging but that's the beauty of it.

Does it have to be 10 pages though? Maybe no less than 6-7?
In other words what is no less and no more for this?
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, January 30th, 2011, 3:10pm; Reply: 25
We could always do both...have the option of writing a no dialogue script and also have the option of doing one for me.

Doing a non dialogue script is a very useful way of learning to write visually...at the same time I'm looking for both horror scripts and some drama ones, so that could be fun for those so inclined...obviously it comes with a relatively high chance of being produced because it will be geared towards what I need.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 30th, 2011, 3:13pm; Reply: 26
Rick, if you're looking for scripts, just fire away!!

I'm sure lots of people would love to write something for you. You saw how many people wrote for The Dark!  :)
Posted by: Mr.Ripley, January 30th, 2011, 3:25pm; Reply: 27
I think alot of people are busy writing scripts or making films. In my case, I'm working a feature and short. The short will be submitted soon.

We still have soulshadows 3d which I'm not sure if its still on or not.

Sidenote: Hey ScarTissueFilms, people are willing to write those type of scripts.  I would offer up The Art Of Persuasion but I submitted this to a festival already. Just my luck.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), January 30th, 2011, 3:28pm; Reply: 28
Rick,

A challenge where a director or producer asks for a film within certain parameters is what I always thought the OWC should be about.  Go for it.  It's the ultimate challenge.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 30th, 2011, 4:36pm; Reply: 29
Let's set a date when you tell us what you want/need and a date to be finished by.  :)
Posted by: Don, January 30th, 2011, 6:11pm; Reply: 30
Folks,

I don't object to doing a challenge in February.  I ask that you wait until after the 15th of February so that the Star Trek Challenge can run its course.

Pia will be choosing the requirements for the challenge.  As with the January Challenge, it will be limited to registered members of the discussion board and there will be no iScripting of a selected script.

As for folks who didn't like the January challenge, that is to be expected.  There has never been a challenge that someone hasn't objected to in some form or another.  That doesn't bother me.  We tried something new as we did with the Halloween challenge and got a lot of healthy discussion.  I've enjoyed reading the scripts and I applaud the four writers who took up the Star Trek challenge.  

Don
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 30th, 2011, 6:57pm; Reply: 31
Seriously...I didn't mean to cause trouble. Seems like am an instigator everytime the OWC comes around.

As far as a Feb OWC goes, I think we should let Rick/ScarTissueFilms come up with the challenge since he's actually looking for scripts and that way maybe some scripts have a chance to be produced.
Posted by: Dreamscale, January 30th, 2011, 7:13pm; Reply: 32
All in agreement, say...

I agree!
Posted by: Don, January 30th, 2011, 7:35pm; Reply: 33

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Seriously...I didn't mean to cause trouble. Seems like am an instigator everytime the OWC comes around.

As far as a Feb OWC goes, I think we should let Rick/ScarTissueFilms come up with the challenge since he's actually looking for scripts and that way maybe some scripts have a chance to be produced.


Pia, may consult with whomever she wishes regarding the theme and genre.  

Don
Posted by: Grandma Bear, January 30th, 2011, 7:52pm; Reply: 34
That should teach anyone who has an opinion!

So, what do you people think?  I think it makes most sense to write for a producer/director we know do a good job who is in need of scripts.
Posted by: screenrider (Guest), January 30th, 2011, 9:45pm; Reply: 35

Quoted from Grandma Bear
So, what do you people think?  I think it makes most sense to write for a producer/director we know do a good job who is in need of scripts.


An excellent idea

Posted by: stevie, January 30th, 2011, 10:02pm; Reply: 36
Yep, count me in even though I'm trying to write 3 scripts at once right now.

By the way, SR, happy birthday for the 30th.  same day as my wifes - us and the kids had a great brekkie and swim at the beach.

Posted by: Ryan1, January 30th, 2011, 10:20pm; Reply: 37
Sounds like a plan.  I was sort of hoping the subject might be comedy this time, but I guess that would be up to Rick or whoever heads this up.  I do like the idea of keeping the writers anonymous, as  the guessing game is always interesting.
Posted by: Andrew, January 31st, 2011, 9:18am; Reply: 38
I agree with Ryan that the anonymous aspect is pretty important. That's the most fun for me.

Regards a produced script at the end, it has been something I have personally called for in the past. It does turn it from a challenge to a competition, however. That in itself creates an edge, which can be either a good or bad thing. The mechanics of it all would need a good looking at, of course.

What budget would you be looking to film on, Rick?
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), January 31st, 2011, 9:21am; Reply: 39

Quoted from Grandma Bear
That should teach anyone who has an opinion!

So, what do you people think?  I think it makes most sense to write for a producer/director we know do a good job who is in need of scripts.


And I can vouch for Rick's work.


Phil

Posted by: bert, January 31st, 2011, 9:40am; Reply: 40
I like this idea, but it needs to be totally clear up-front that this is NON-BINDING.

It is cool of Rick to toss it out there -- but this is by no means an iron-clad obligation for him to produce the winning script.

I believe the old threads are gone, but way back when there was an all-out war over a competition with "promised" production and things fell through -- lots of nasty words and bitterness and hurt feelings.

We should all take steps to ensure that such a scenario does not arise again.

You may say it cannot happen -- but it can -- as has been shown in the past.
Posted by: Andrew, January 31st, 2011, 10:01am; Reply: 41
Yes, that's pretty much the vibe I was on there, bert, which is why I wanted to gauge the budget, and more importantly, the access to it as a means of seeing how serious Rick is. To film a good quality short and not just something on your digital camera, you need to get a good team together. Most likely you are asking them to work on a lo/no basis, so you are effectively asking a DOP and team, makeup artists and others to work for nothing on their spare time. Even with that, there are inevitable costs involved throughout the process and it's got to be from a strong script first and foremost; so I am sure Rick would highlight the limitations of a contest like this, to avoid the issues you rightly raise.

Getting 'produced' is also something that many seem to want to rush to. That's the wrong approach from the outset and usually ends up with sub-standard results.
Posted by: RayW, February 2nd, 2011, 2:11am; Reply: 42
I'm game.

A no-dialog visual horror drama.

A dialogless drama-hor.

A legless, drama whore-dog.

Legions of whore drama dogs.

Zombie, legless legions of drama-dog whores!

H3ll, yeah!
I'd buy THAT for a dollar!
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, February 2nd, 2011, 3:11am; Reply: 43
Yeah, I would be interested too. Even if it is rom-com in honor of St. Valentine.
Or a rom-com with zombies. And lots of wine but all out of candy.
Or a Soulshadows season coming up.

I like the idea of not knowing who wrote what until a given time.





Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 2nd, 2011, 10:35pm; Reply: 44
Okay people.

Rick/ScarTissueFilms who does excellent work as a director/producer is looking for scripts and will be asking us in the Feb OWC to write something for him. As Bert said, there are no guarantees that a script will actually be produced, but he will tell us what sort of script he is looking for.

The Feb OWC will be announced on Feb 18th and will be due one week later. :)
Posted by: Baltis. (Guest), February 2nd, 2011, 10:56pm; Reply: 45
I'll do one if I'm around and the criteria makes sense.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 2nd, 2011, 11:10pm; Reply: 46
Do one Balt. Rick does real quality work.  :)
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 2nd, 2011, 11:26pm; Reply: 47
I can vouch for Rick's work.


Phil
Posted by: khamanna, February 3rd, 2011, 12:03am; Reply: 48
I'll try to participate. Just don't want to sound too sure)) - whenever I'm sure something comes up. But right now I want to very much!
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 10th, 2011, 5:30pm; Reply: 49
A couple of people have said they fancy a 2 week challenge to allow for a better quality of script....what are people's thoughts on that?

I'm comfortable either way and am happy to go with majority opinion.

Rick.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 5:33pm; Reply: 50
There's only a couple of more weeks left to Feb.  So whatever you guys do, you should get on it.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 10th, 2011, 5:40pm; Reply: 51

Quoted from mcornetto
There's only a couple of more weeks left to Feb.  So whatever you guys do, you should get on it.


It's all under control...it's not going to be till the 18th anyway.
Posted by: Baltis. (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 6:13pm; Reply: 52
I prefer one week.  It keeps you motivated and focused more.  Add to this it will be much easier for the quality writers to shine over the not so quality writers... Face it, being able to write a script in a week is a mark of merit.  A good script that is.  Anyone can write a shitball script in a week... A good one, that's another story.

VOTE: One week

Not saying I'm entering just yet, we'll see the criteria and see how busy I get doing other things from now to then.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 10th, 2011, 8:14pm; Reply: 53
I personally would love to see a One WC.

I thinks Rick's ideas for writing something for big time festivals is more of a serious longer term collaborative effort. It's a great idea and I would like to be part of that. Did I misunderstand?

IMHO, the OWC should be just that...a One WC. And I agree with Balt that there may be a lot of entries, but the time constraint will separate the weak scripts from the strong scripts.

If Rick finds one that he would like to produce, I imagine there will be lots of rewrites anyway so I don't see the need for a 2 WC. Just my opinion though...
Posted by: Ryan1, February 10th, 2011, 8:20pm; Reply: 54
Agree with Balt and Pia.  A traditional OWC.  The one week time constraint adds to the challenge and spirit of the event..
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 10th, 2011, 8:21pm; Reply: 55

Quoted from Grandma Bear
I personally would love to see a One WC.

I thinks Rick's ideas for writing something for big time festivals is more of a serious longer term collaborative effort. It's a great idea and I would like to be part of that. Did I misunderstand?

IMHO, the OWC should be just that...a One WC. And I agree with Balt that there may be a lot of entries, but the time constraint will separate the weak scripts from the strong scripts.

If Rick finds one that he would like to produce, I imagine there will be lots of rewrites anyway so I don't see the need for a 2 WC. Just my opinion though...


That was my feeling as well. I like the OWC's...and this situation arose because we wanted one.

So that's settled then.
Posted by: RayW, February 10th, 2011, 8:25pm; Reply: 56
One week.

Everyone thinks for two days, farts around the third and fourth, begins pecking the fifth, or sixth, then pounds it out the last few hours of the seventh day in about four hours.

One week.

If this is going to be a semi-collaborative effort - rough enough is good enough.
Maybe consider two possibilities as many of these festivals have multiple contests to enter.

Re-write aggressively.
Rick and crew will end up making up a lot of it on the set at the last second, anyway.
I'm 100% A-Okay with that reality.

And we better get our understanding together pronto about shared credit - if any.
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 9:58pm; Reply: 57
My problem with a OWC is that, should Rick try to choose a winner to produce, he would rather have scripts that have been polished up a little bit.  What are the odds that a script is good enough to be produced after only one week?   ;D


Phil
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 10th, 2011, 10:01pm; Reply: 58
Cornetto found 6 or 7 for the Dark series. I believe we all did rewrites after our scripts were chosen...
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 10:04pm; Reply: 59
I was a little tongue and cheek in what I last wrote... for somewhat obvious reasons.


Phil
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 10th, 2011, 10:07pm; Reply: 60
Then why were you suggesting a TWC?
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 10:11pm; Reply: 61

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Cornetto found 6 or 7 for the Dark series. I believe we all did rewrites after our scripts were chosen...


You all did varying degrees of rewrites.  Plus I made other small changes as they were being made.  It very easy to find dialogue that shouldn't have been then when you are editing.
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 10:14pm; Reply: 62
Not everyone can write a polished/producable script in one week.

I propose that Rick run a 2/3WC, given certain requirements for a ten page script.  He may say it requires a specific location, or a certain cast of characters, or whatever.  To promote the practice of rewrites, the script cannot be submitted until a day or two prior to the deadline.  This way, no one can crank a script out in two days.

I also recommend that a rule be set, saying that only one script per person.

The whole point is to submit a script that is as good as it can be.


Phil
Posted by: Baltis. (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 10:16pm; Reply: 63
I also don't want to see a shit gaggle of those absurd "pisstake" scripts some people like to write... I hate those and if it wasn't for me committing ahead of time to reading, and I did, every 1wc last go around I would have passed all of them by.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 10th, 2011, 10:20pm; Reply: 64
No piss takes will be allowed. People that write those will be shunned by the SS community!

I still don't want to see a 2 or 3 WC. We're sticking with the OWC. Rick will know if he sees a script that has greatotential even if a few rewrites will be needed.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 10:21pm; Reply: 65
Why not do something a bit different?  Something like a league competetion in rounds.  Allow the first round to get crit like a normal OWC (hopefully better because it will be used) then pick a number of them to continue on to the second round.  For the second round give the author two weeks to make changes based on the crit for their first round.  At the end of that round Rick should have an idea if any of the scripts will work.  Not only that but he'll get a good idea of how the author works with rewrites - which is going to be essential if he wants to mould it for a festival.    
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 10th, 2011, 10:22pm; Reply: 66
Fuck! I hate typing on the iPad!!!

Great potential and pisstakes...
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 10:22pm; Reply: 67
I'm not even talking about pisstake; I don't think there would be any of the chance of production is there.  I'm just saying that people should have the chance to produce the best script they can.

In a fairly recent OWC, someone submitted a script in four hours.  And guess what!  It sucked!  Do we really want to submit that?  Or read that?

Supposing Rick says he wants a ten page horror script that takes place in a light house, using only three adolescent female characters.  And he's giving everyone three weeks to write it.  People shouldn't be allowed to submit their script for eighteen days.  If you finish writing your script in six days, you have twelve days to improve it.

Izzall I'm sayin'


Phil
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 10th, 2011, 10:23pm; Reply: 68
Like that idea Michael!!!
Posted by: Baltis. (Guest), February 10th, 2011, 10:25pm; Reply: 69

Quoted from mcornetto
Why not do something a bit different?  Something like a league competetion in rounds.  Allow the first round to get crit like a normal OWC (hopefully better because it will be used) then pick a number of them to continue on to the second round.  For the second round give the author two weeks to make changes based on the crit for their first round.  At the end of that round Rick should have an idea if any of the scripts will work.  Not only that but he'll get a good idea of how the author works with rewrites - which is going to be essential if he wants to mould it for a festival.    


I think that's a good idea.  Only the best of the best get in.  This also takes care of what Phil is talking about too (idiots posting their epics in 4 hours and all)... Well, in a round about way.  I also think that any script submitted before the deadline should be shit canned from the get go.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 10th, 2011, 10:27pm; Reply: 70
Just like the NYC comp was supposed to be beforebthey got too many entries and paid crap readers to read
Posted by: Ryan1, February 10th, 2011, 10:50pm; Reply: 71

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Just like the NYC comp was supposed to be beforebthey got too many entries and paid crap readers to read


Ha, exactly.

I kinda like that idea of the better scripts advancing.  That would add a whole other level to the OWC.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 11th, 2011, 7:06am; Reply: 72
Don't want a competition for this one. Too divisive and who's to say that the very "worst" script couldn't metamorphosize into the "best" given the chance to apply constructive feedback?

Whatever length of time we go for, I insist that everyone gets the same chance.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 7:17am; Reply: 73
But that is why you would judge it after the feedback.  If you think they should apply the feedback then it goes on.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 11th, 2011, 8:30am; Reply: 74

Quoted from mcornetto
But that is why you would judge it after the feedback.  If you think they should apply the feedback then it goes on.


I think the idea is a good one, I just don't want it to be the case that a group of people are suddenly debarred from continuing after the first round.

I don't think it's in the spirit of the site/challenge and it may foster resentment.

I understand that you (and everyone else for that matter) are trying to ensure a certain standard...but I'd rather it was inclusive of everyone at all times.
Posted by: RayW, February 11th, 2011, 8:45am; Reply: 75
Consider suspending normal procedures for special projects.

The precedent has been established:
- Normally, anyone submits whatever they would like reviewed and critiqued and Don posts it ten to fourteen days later.
- Challenges seem to have their entries posted much earlier.
- Sometimes they're even anonymous.
- The SS community bears a weighting toward content and theme more for shorts, while features receive more spelling and grammatical fine tooth comb attention.

A whole new set of rules may evolve from this.
Just consider it.
Maybe even make entries anonymous to minimize tender feelings.
Once a project gets rolling everyone's two cents will metamorphosize the base idea.
Eventually that can be revealed.

I support that an interesting idea, poorly executed initially, can be teased forward.
Posted by: khamanna, February 11th, 2011, 9:39am; Reply: 76
I'm in love with the idea too - reworking a script using all the feedback.
--this way a rewrite is ensured (even though only for a script that has potential) and some of us are too lazy to rewrite for the sake of rewriting (I rewrite but don't repost).

Anyway, that would be very exciting I think.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 11th, 2011, 10:47am; Reply: 77
Since Rick doesn't like the idea of a competition, it will be run as a regular OWC. The fun difference this time will be that the challenge will actually be to write something for a real producer/director who is actually looking for something specific to shoot.

It should be lots of fun. Just remember, if you don't like the theme/genre do not send in a pisstake!!!!!!!

Friday February 18th will be the anouncement and Friday the 25th will be the due date!  :)
Posted by: RayW, February 11th, 2011, 10:51am; Reply: 78
For those whom cannot seem to help themselves, we could take the fun out of submitting pisstakes by finding competitions that cater to humor and comedy.

A separate category can accommodate the p!ssers.
Make it gold. ;)

2011's a bust, but there's plenty of time to prep for 2012.
http://www.lacomedyshorts.com/lacs2011/shorts/submit.htm


Also:
Toronto Giggleshorts Festival in 2011
Jamuary 28. 29 30
Submit Deadline is Jan. 17th 2011
http://www.giggleshorts.com/giggle-submit.html

Maybe next year, clowns.
Posted by: khamanna, February 11th, 2011, 11:25am; Reply: 79
One question - will it be anonymous?
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 11th, 2011, 11:40am; Reply: 80

Quoted from khamanna
One question - will it be anonymous?


Yes.
Posted by: stevie, February 11th, 2011, 4:34pm; Reply: 81
After reading all the discussion, here's my two bob's worth (though it don't mean jack as its all decided anyway...?)

I see the points about making sure we get decent scripts done for Rick to look at. But any type of competition and next round thing would've have been too formal for this site. If we wanna try our luck in that we can pay money and enter real comps.

I understand Phil's thinking about avoiding too many unpolished scripts - but if the writers here are keen enough to produce something special for Rick to do, then i guess they'll apply extra discipline and make sure its spot on.

I don't necessarily agree that scripts done quick are gonna suffer for being ripped out - sometimes that initial flash of inspo needs to done to preserve the 'magic'. You could write the thing on Day One and just spend all week making any adjustments to it before submitting.

Anyway, it all sounds good!!

Cheers stevie
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 6:49pm; Reply: 82
Here's a really cool idea:

Make it a 2WC.  Everyone submits anonymously.  After they're posted and so much time is dedicated to reading/critiquing them, Rick picks the best four (or however many) scripts.  

The four writers are given another two weeks to tweak said scripts and resubmit them.

Rick picks the best of the four for consideration to produce.


You're welcome.

Phil
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 6:56pm; Reply: 83

Quoted from dogglebe
Here's a really cool idea:

Make it a 2WC.  Everyone submits anonymously.  After they're posted and so much time is dedicated to reading/critiquing them, Rick picks the best four (or however many) scripts.  

The four writers are given another two weeks to tweak said scripts and resubmit them.

Rick picks the best of the four for consideration to produce.


You're welcome.

Phil


Phil,

Rick doesn't want the advantage of seeing how the writers develop their stories because he believes it would be divisive.  He would rather give everyone a chance by considering the scripts after the writer had one week to work on it.

If we want to do a tournament, we'll have to wait until another OWC.

Or we could give everyone one week to write a script.  Then after getting comments, give everyone (who wants to continue) two weeks to do a rewrite.   That isn't divisive and it gives everyone a chance to develop their stories if they want to.  
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 7:03pm; Reply: 84
Everyone could rewrite their scripts, but only the four would be considered.


Phil
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 7:07pm; Reply: 85

Quoted from dogglebe
Everyone could rewrite their scripts, but only the four would be considered.


Phil


What's this four thing?  You know Asians wouldn't like that - four is an unlucky number - it means death.  
Posted by: dogglebe (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 7:12pm; Reply: 86
Then make it three.  I hear it's a magic number.




Phil
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 7:17pm; Reply: 87
How about none to as many scripts that continued are the ones that would be considered.
Posted by: jwent6688, February 11th, 2011, 7:19pm; Reply: 88
I'm all for the One Week Challenge. Let Rick figure out what he wants and thinks would be the best criteria. We'll give it our best seven day shot. If one grabs him, he can work with the writer over several weeks to get the script ready.

Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a serious upswing of scripts submitted this go around. Adding more time, just adds more scripts. If I logged onto the site one and a half weeks into a two week challenge... I could krank out a ten page script in three days. Would it be good? Of course, Cuz I wrote it.

James
Posted by: RayW, February 11th, 2011, 7:25pm; Reply: 89
How about Rick pick three or four (wink) and then we all re-write those and then pick from the re-writes.
That's how the biz goes anyway.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 11th, 2011, 7:26pm; Reply: 90
There is no guarantee that Rick will find any to meet his criteria.   Just reminding you all about that.

By having a chance to work on it, with Rick's feedback included, will increase everyone's chance of producing a script that Rick wants.  Just reminding you of that too.  

Having gone through this exercise with The Dark - I'm not making the suggestion of adding this extra step lightly.

There are scripts that are popular when read, that do not make good films when it comes to production and vice-versa.  Having that extra step will give those unpopular gems a chance to grow on the readers.  
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 11th, 2011, 7:27pm; Reply: 91
the OWC rules have already been decided...

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1297443538/  

A couple of minor additions will be added on the 18th.  :)
Posted by: ABennettWriter, February 13th, 2011, 11:50am; Reply: 92
Hi Pia!
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 16th, 2011, 10:10pm; Reply: 93
Hi Austin!  :)

Okay people. Rick has sent me the challenge info. Sadly I can't partake due to the FK work, but you guys should prepare and sharpen your keyboards. The challenge is only two days away! An excellent chance to get your script produced by an award winning director/producer!

I promise to read all your entries!  :)
Posted by: Baltis. (Guest), February 17th, 2011, 12:26am; Reply: 94
I hope it's as restrictive as the last OWC in October, myself.  I want something challenging to write.   Something that will push me towards wanting to do it.  

I enjoyed writing for the October challenge and how the script came out for only a weeks time.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 17th, 2011, 8:23am; Reply: 95
It's very free but specific...  ;D
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 17th, 2011, 3:38pm; Reply: 96
So who is in, or are you all waiting for the theme before you decide?
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 17th, 2011, 3:41pm; Reply: 97
I'm not in because of time pressure - unless the theme inspires me to write something in which case I may give it a go.  
Posted by: bert, February 17th, 2011, 3:50pm; Reply: 98

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
...waiting for the theme?


Those who say they can't do it...seems they always hop in and submit anyway.

Those who say they will do it...ultimately they most often got nothin'.

Words on these type of threads do not mean a thing until the deadline has come and gone, Dec.

You just have to wait and see.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 17th, 2011, 3:50pm; Reply: 99

Quoted from bert


Those who say they can't do it...seems they always hop in and submit anyway.

Those who say they will do it...ultimately they most often got nothin'.

Words on these type of threads do not mean a thing until the deadline has come and gone, Dec.

You just have to wait and see.


Exciting.

What about you Bertrum?
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, February 17th, 2011, 3:53pm; Reply: 100
I'm one of the "Depends on the challenge" people.

I'd like to do them all, but if it's not enticing, I have plenty of scripts on the back burner than need my attention more.
Posted by: bert, February 17th, 2011, 3:55pm; Reply: 101

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
What about you Bertrum?


I am just as bad as any of 'em...worse, perhaps.

In?  Out?  Your guess is as good as mine, quite frankly.

But my interest does pique whenever horror is in the mix -- for whatever that is worth -- and I will almost always bow out of comedy.
Posted by: jwent6688, February 17th, 2011, 4:04pm; Reply: 102
I'm gonna give it a go. I usually start writing about 4pm the following Friday.

James
Posted by: RayW, February 17th, 2011, 4:07pm; Reply: 103
I'm in.
Bank on it.

Keep in mind the better you can provide challenge requirements based on resource capabilities, wide or narrow, the better I/we can zero in on what is feasible.

Oorah!
Posted by: khamanna, February 17th, 2011, 4:16pm; Reply: 104
I'm almost in. Unless  something out of the ordinary happens...
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 17th, 2011, 4:22pm; Reply: 105

Quoted from RayW
I'm in.
Bank on it.

Keep in mind the better you can provide challenge requirements based on resource capabilities, wide or narrow, the better I/we can zero in on what is feasible.

Oorah!


I'll be around to clarify...
Posted by: stevie, February 17th, 2011, 4:30pm; Reply: 106
I'm in like Errol...

As Balt said, the Halloween challenge was great, as we had to work with the criteria. And for me, working in a 'new' genre' - horror - was great.

Hanging out till Saturday arvo my time!!!
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 17th, 2011, 5:29pm; Reply: 107

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films

What about you Bertrum?


He was interested -- until you called him Bertrum! ;-)

Posted by: Sandra Elstree., February 17th, 2011, 6:15pm; Reply: 108

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films


I'll be around to clarify...


As they say, the show must go on.

Sandra
Posted by: Blakkwolfe, February 17th, 2011, 8:27pm; Reply: 109
Looking forward to it. Had a good concept and outline for the Star Trek one, just got too busy. However, it may be worth taking a stab at in the future with different characters. Nothing is ever wasted, really.
Posted by: RayW, February 17th, 2011, 8:54pm; Reply: 110
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 17th, 2011, 9:05pm; Reply: 111
You'll see tomorrow night. I personally wish I could participate.  :)
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, February 18th, 2011, 6:11am; Reply: 112

Quoted from RayW


We'll leave the Academy Award winning ones till a later date...well you can give it a go actually, the theme is wide enough, but I'll really be looking for very good examples of [what it is], not so much films that I think will win an Oscar.
Posted by: RayW, February 18th, 2011, 8:41am; Reply: 113
There's probably a better place to link this, but... whatever.

Posted by: cap10xbls, February 18th, 2011, 8:43am; Reply: 114
Sorry to be a bit dim - I'm a newbie - How do I find the criteria for the challenge?
Posted by: CM93, February 18th, 2011, 8:59am; Reply: 115
has the theme been posted yet ? bit of a dumb question but i am curious to get started.
Posted by: bert, February 18th, 2011, 9:05am; Reply: 116
Hi to the new guys.  The genre and theme will be posted later this evening.  You haven't missed anything yet.

Do not put your name on the submission, and if you are going to play, you are very much encouraged to comment on the works of your fellow authors during the "anonymous" week.

Submitting a script, getting lots of comments, and giving nothing in return is considered very bad form.  Just sayin'.
Posted by: RayW, February 18th, 2011, 9:13am; Reply: 117
Good morning, noobs!
And welcome!

You'll note at the top of the portal page:
(http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=,v=portal  <-- bookmark it!)

The February 2011 One Week Challenge Starts 2/18 at 10:00 pm est

The criteria will be announced then, so you'll hafta hold onto your little spurs till tonight EST.


You two have your format down pretty decent?
You can go do some homework in the meanwhile by digging through the beefs and gripes over past one week challenges (OWCs).
http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?c-OWC/
That'll keep you outta a lot of trouble.
Keep in mind it's difficult for readers to focus on story elements and content when format is bogging them down. (GUILTY!!!)

GL
Hope you suck worse than me!  ;)


Ray
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 18th, 2011, 6:23pm; Reply: 118
3.5 hours left until I'll post the genre and theme!!









...call me if I forget...  ;D
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 6:27pm; Reply: 119
I don't think they'll let you forget.
Posted by: RayW, February 18th, 2011, 6:35pm; Reply: 120
Genre & theme for what?
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 18th, 2011, 6:51pm; Reply: 121
my next opera of course!
Posted by: RayW, February 18th, 2011, 6:56pm; Reply: 122
Oh, goody!
Can't wait.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 6:57pm; Reply: 123
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 18th, 2011, 7:43pm; Reply: 124
I bet it was over right after that...
Posted by: Dreamscale, February 18th, 2011, 8:04pm; Reply: 125
Do we have our assignment yet?  haven't had a chance to check out all the posts here, but I'm interested, time allowing, of course.

What up people??????  I'm back!!!!
Posted by: RayW, February 18th, 2011, 8:20pm; Reply: 126
Welcome back, uh... what's your name? Stu? Pete? Gene?  Yeah, that's it!

Welcome back, Gene!

Do we have our assignment yet?
Yes!
Genre: Sci Fi Romance
Theme: With enough imagination it all feels the same!
Alternate theme: Baby, you must be an alien because you're outta this world!

Go!
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 18th, 2011, 8:27pm; Reply: 127
Hi-Gene...   ;D

Genre is tragic opera

Theme is body odor
Posted by: Dreamscale, February 18th, 2011, 8:29pm; Reply: 128
For reals?  That's the challenge?  Is it from Rick or Pia?  All regular OWC rules in effect?

Can't say I'm to thrilled with that on first glance, but let me soak it in.

You're a funny guy, Ray...
Posted by: Dreamscale, February 18th, 2011, 8:30pm; Reply: 129
OK, now I'm really confused...that's 2 completely different sets of rules...c'mon now, peeps, don't fuck with me...
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 18th, 2011, 8:33pm; Reply: 130
It will be announced at 10pm.

Welcome back...Gene!  ;)
Posted by: RayW, February 18th, 2011, 8:35pm; Reply: 131
Hi-Gene...  

Genre is tragic opera

Theme is body odor


Can we submit an alternate combination of those?
Say...

Genre: Tragic Hygiene
Theme: Body odor opera?

or

Genre: Body Opera
Theme: Odor tragedy hygiene?


Gene -
c'mon now, peeps, don't f*** with me...
If you were an alien that would be perfectly acceptable as long as it's a case of true love.
Posted by: Dreamscale, February 18th, 2011, 8:37pm; Reply: 132
Thank you Charlie and Rachel.  I apprecaite the help.
Posted by: RayW, February 18th, 2011, 8:40pm; Reply: 133
That's what friends r 4!

We'll help u find them.

Remember:
Answers are a dollar.
Correct answers are five dollars.
But dumb stares are still FREE!
Posted by: Dreamscale, February 18th, 2011, 10:46pm; Reply: 134
Are we there yet?
Posted by: Grandma Bear, February 18th, 2011, 10:52pm; Reply: 135
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