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Posted by: Ryan1, September 3rd, 2011, 5:42am
Seems like George Lucas couldn't help himself again when he messed with the Blu-Ray release of ROTJ.  When Vader decides to kill the Emperor and save Luke, apparently now Vader has to yell "Noooo!" to really drive the point home.  Ridiculous.  What is it with him and Spielberg(among others) who feel the need to go back and fix what wasn't broken.

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/08/30/did-lucas-add-vader-crying-noooooo-to-return-of-the-jedi
Posted by: sniper, September 3rd, 2011, 8:19am; Reply: 1
Idunno. Sounds fake. But with Lucas you never know.
Posted by: leitskev, September 3rd, 2011, 8:22am; Reply: 2
It gets people talking about it, which is what they want.
Posted by: Ryan1, September 3rd, 2011, 3:42pm; Reply: 3

Quoted from sniper
Idunno. Sounds fake. But with Lucas you never know.


Pretty certain this is true, Rob.  Originally read about this on yahoo news and then found a slew of articles b!tching about the changes.

Posted by: sniper, September 3rd, 2011, 3:59pm; Reply: 4
Next thing you know he's gonna put an older version of Hayden Christensen's face on Anakin when Luke takes the helmet off Vader. For all his brilliance, Lucas can be a real dumbsky sometimes.
Posted by: scmower, September 3rd, 2011, 4:04pm; Reply: 5
There's a clip on Youtube of it. It's pretty much Vader's 'No' at the end of ep 3. Kind of sucks, since I always thought the wordless sacrifice better. Also he's got rid of the Yoda puppet from episode 1 and made it all CG now, and in also the ewoks have digital eyes and blink now. And he's also changed the noise Obi-Wan makes when he scares away the Tusken Raiders. He just can't seem to help himself. It's a shame.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 3rd, 2011, 4:12pm; Reply: 6
Not content with losing any kind of talent he had, he's seemingly desperate to massacre the only things he did well.

He did once make a comment that a film is never finished, it's just abandoned at some point.

Clealry he doesn't know when to let go.
Posted by: greg, September 3rd, 2011, 4:29pm; Reply: 7
If it's true then George Lucas continues to ruin Darth Vader's character.  The guy I grew up with definitely didn't say "noooo" for anything.  
Posted by: stevie, September 3rd, 2011, 4:52pm; Reply: 8
He lost me with the mess that was Episode 1. Didn't bother to see the next two.

I still have fond memories of seeing Star Wars in the cinema as a 15 year old. I didn't see TESB or TROTJ at the cinema, only on TV years later.

Remember seeing the trailer for SW at a movie a few months before it came out and just sat there in awe, saying, I gotta see this movie.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, September 3rd, 2011, 5:42pm; Reply: 9
I agree that some things, such as Vader's sudden outcry, seem a bit uneeded (in fact, it actually creates a slight continuity error, given Papaltine's reaction) and the question of Obi Wan's dragon howl is nether here nor there. Ewoks with eyelids? Yoda looking a little better? Some things are fine by me.

Sadly...does does Greedo still shoot first?
Did Lucas correct the cartoony Jabba he inserted in A New Hope? (Which, in turn, leads to a continuity error when Jabba is seen in Phantom Menace in terms of appearance)

How about giving the fans the change they want- like Boba Fett either escaping the Sarlacc Pit or removing (at least) the Sarlacc burp after Fett falls in?

Did Darth Vader put a lightsaber to Jar Jar's throat? Or rather, in it?

Noooooooo!!!!

;D
Posted by: Electric Dreamer, September 4th, 2011, 9:30am; Reply: 10

Quoted from sniper
Idunno. Sounds fake. But with Lucas you never know.


Sadly, it's very confirmed.   :-/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-tweaked-darth-vader-230427

E.D.
Posted by: sniper, September 4th, 2011, 10:16am; Reply: 11
If it ain't broke...fuck it up.

Doesn't mean I won't buy the damn set though :)
Posted by: Mr.Z, September 4th, 2011, 10:23am; Reply: 12
Don't worry, Rob. Just took care of it.

Posted by: wonkavite (Guest), September 4th, 2011, 3:36pm; Reply: 13
:)
Posted by: Ledbetter (Guest), September 5th, 2011, 8:41am; Reply: 14
I heard they tried using the word YIIIIIIIKES

But it didnt have the same inpact as Nooooooo

I smell an oscar...

Shawn.....><
Posted by: Ryan1, September 15th, 2011, 7:33pm; Reply: 15
A New Hope

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/the-projector/steven-spielberg-finally-admits-walkie-talkies-were-mistake-142746809.html

Seems Spielberg has come to his senses and admitted his mistakes as far as messing with ET.  Too late for the Blu-Ray version of Star Wars, but maybe Lucas and other directors will heed Spielberg's words on this subject.
Posted by: Matt Chisholm, September 15th, 2011, 7:41pm; Reply: 16
I really wish people would stop complaining about this kind of thing. "Star Wars" is Lucas' thing, he can do whatever he likes with it. The original films still exist, unaltered, released on DVD and can be found if anyone wants to. No one is making anyone watch the new stuff.
Posted by: Ryan1, September 15th, 2011, 9:37pm; Reply: 17
Of course Lucas CAN make any change he wants.  It's his property.  But...why?  Improving the video, audio, adding a digitally enhanced creature here and there, no real problem.  But when you start messing with crucial scenes involving an iconic character, this is where the complaints start.  There's no logical reason for Lucas to make a change like this.  The scene was perfectly fine and is weakened by the change.  And although Lucas is the creator, this is one of those films that's so beloved that a lot of fans feel the characters also belong to them.  I'm not a Star Wars fanatic and I don't own a Blu-Ray, so I admit this makes no immediate impact on me.  If I owned a Blu-Ray, I'd be a lot more pissed.

This kinda reminds me of when Walter Hill, the director of The Warriors, released his "Ultimate Directors Cut" of the movie, where he really butchered the original by using these comic book freeze frames throughout the movie.  Now, that's pretty much the only version of the film you can find.  If Blu-Ray completely phases out dvd one day, the original version of the Star Wars saga might be harder to find.  These directors need to leave well enough alone.  
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