Where is scientific evidence for paranormal? There is  evidence for telepathy
( Vinko Rajic   and maybe Uri Geller )
and few other really strong cases . Some Universities ( University of California , University of Southampton , Edinburgh University
and some others) make research on but they do not make research on
really people that can use telepathy, strange , why?
The Pentagon’s Defense Advance Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is currently developing technology that will allow soldiers of
the future to communicate via telepathic mind signals. It is a program program called Silent Talk.


Some  showman   offer ( James Randi ) 1000000$ for any paranormal evidence, but Randi is just talking but do not want
to talk to some really telepath.
Vinko Rajic can use telepathy and some other things , many people know about it. They make some
paranormal telepathic show in Sweden and Norway with Vinko.
Show is organized by some bustard - idiot media there and some dirty perverts Croats.

CIA's  "remote viewing" , "Stargate Project", give some evidence but that could be just a bluff.
Guys that worked on that project talk like idiots , why?



Grigori Rasputin is very good evidence for paranormal , he could use "mind control", he has been murdered
because his attempt to take over Russia.

Can it be that some Schizophrenics are just telepathic, many Schizophrenic believe in telepathy.
Schneider's symptoms of the first rank are similar to telepathy. Brain signals can travel on very long distance
and if some people can connect each other for short time then they can make each other "Schizophrenic".

This could be something for physics to think about. If you have one person like Vinko Rajic and you use telepathy
with him and you take all distances on which you could send and receive from him , I think it would be possible
to find out what kind of waves transmit telepathy. Placing telepathic person under different kind of metal shield could
make it possible to find out  what kind of waves transmit telepathy.

OK, what you think how can telepathy work? What kind of waves transmit it or is it some strange quantum theory behind it.

Please ask your smart friend about this?

Well after reading this I did feel something, normal. Does that make sense.

Each to their own.

I think if telepathy really worked you wouldn't have to type this, you could just beam your thoughts directly into our minds . . .

As for Uri Geller, he has been proven to be a fake. There was a famous television broadcast where they swapped his spoons with hardened steel ones, which left Uri red faced when he couldn't bend them with his mind.

There is evidence for lots people who can read facial expressions and body language to make accurate assumptions on what people are thinking and also of magicans (David Blain, Keith Barry & Derren Brown) use thought suggestions (NPL etc) to manipulate what people 'think' and influence the outcome of tricks which require a volunteer to give the magican back information.

He beamed the thoughts out, and I beamed back that he should post it for those that have weak reception.

Yeah, I read that in my horoscope today and when I consulted with a phone psychic for 10 minutes at €2 per minute, she said something completely ambigious which was totally open to personal interpretation . . . so yeah Kevin, I agree!

A lot of people offered money for proof of the paranormal, from Houdini to Penn & Teller.  No one's been able to collect, and it's not a case of those offering the money refusing to meet with these people.


Phil

In college, the mother of one of my roomates was a professional psychic. We used to tease him. He was skeptical too.

I am not impressed by psychics. But that does not mean I don't have an open to certain things that would now be described as paranormal. Lynne MacTaggurt(not sure spelling) and other scientists have done sophisticated research on the effect of consciousness with the physical world. The effect is small, but well documented. It does not involve bending spoons, but rather having large groups of people try to influence the growth of plants, that kind of thing.

There was also some research done at Princeton where they planted devices around the world that recorded data that supposedly showed an effect of mass consciousness perceiving global events.

Also, if you do any reading on quantum physics, you'll find that the world described by quantum scientists is stranger than anything described by psychics, gypsies, astrologers or religious nuts. And this quantum theory stuff has been around since the 20s, was developed as the result of experiments, and has been the basis for much modern technology. It's the kind of stuff that blows your mind and makes the universe seem very weird and even non logical.

The world is still full of strange and mysterious stuff. At least enough to be the basis for stories and scripts anyway!

Evidence for telepathy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOuuuvvKae4

How is that evidence?   I didn't see any proof.  I saw a, probably, schizophrenic man talking about his symptoms.  And it isn't that I think unusual sensory perception doesn't exist.  I just don't think it exists in an easily accessible form.  I tend to agree with Kevin that if it's possible, it's got to do with quantum - which by it's very nature is unpredictable.

If it's on youtube, then it must be effin' true....


Phil (you knew I was gonna say that)

That's interesting Kevin, but, I don't really see what quantum mechanics has to do with telepathy, we don't need to go to an atomic level to understand other processes that occur in the human body, it shouldn't be any different with telepathy. What is the correlation with your brain being composed of atomic particles and the process of forming conscious or even sub conscious thoughts!?

If it's a form of viable communication, then there is a sub system in the mind that is capable of tramsmitting those thoughts and a sub system that is able to receive them. I think it would be reasonable to start with the fact that human brain can emmit Alpha, Beta, Theta and Delta waves and to investigate if any of these can be modulated much like a radio wave with concious thoughts.

The brain is an organic system that produces electric and magnetic fields. There have been experiments performed, formally known as transcranial magnetic stimulation, where the orientation of the nerons in the brain can be changed, directly effecting mental abilities.

I actually was not saying that quantum theory and telepathy are related, though of course they could be. I was only saying that quantum theory gives us a vision of a strange world, one that is inconsistent with the Newtonian we are used to, or the Einsteinian world that is also strange, but something we can make sense of.

For example, you describe telepathy as involving the sending and receiving of signals. That is a Newtonian concept, with energy or perhaps particles traveling through something called space. Quantum mechanic does not require information to be shared in that way. For example, check out entanglement, called "spooky action at a distance" by Einstein.

Also, if you have time, google the "quantum slit experiment". Ok, I did it for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnn6SqyTEKQ&feature=player_embedded

This famous experiment, now set up in every college physics lab, shows the impact of the observer on the "choices" all particles make. It suggests that the universe cannot exist without an observer. That's not some spoon bender saying that; that's the greatest physicists of the 20th century saying that. Weird, wild stuff.

The brain does produce electric and magnetic fields, and respond to them. But those fields are limited by the speed of light. Quantum action is not, and consciousness is in fact effecting events around us, it seems to be occurring instantaneously. Or, even more troubling, it seems to be occurring outside of time. There are sound, credible experiments by mainstream scientists showing that the effect takes place BEFORE the event effected. In other words, effect comes before cause, at least according to our measurement of time. I'll try to find that experiment for you later if I have time.

I'm actually not saying there is such a thing as telepathy. I'm just saying who knows, as the quantum world has revealed a world that is far stranger than anything described by mystics and charlatans.

Oh, the experiments on the influence of consciousness on matter, or perception of events, there only involved massed consciousness of large groups. If we live in a designed universe(not saying we do), then the designer was very wise to limit the power of consciousness to influence matter. Imagine if we could all run around changing matter?

If events occur outside of time, then it is impossible for us to 'measure' anything - it may well be our perceprion that makes it apppear to us that the effect occurs before event. As for Newtonian vs Einstein/Heisenberg physics, science is nothing more than a paradigm, or a human attempt at putting order in world we didn't design and fundamentally will only ever be able to explore to the limits of the human mind.

High speed transglobal communication and that used by NASA still relies on Newtonian physics, even if the the photons of light that are transmitted down a fibre optic cable or the EMF is a wire is occuring a quatum level.

True, we don't yet have communication technology based on quantum entanglement. But they are working on it. They do know how to entangle atoms and then manipulate them so that what changes one changes the other instantly, no matter the distance. They just have not learned how to apply this usefully yet. But they are working on it.

It is difficult to imagine the idea of cause coming after effect. And that experiment was part of consciousness research, not quantum research. The scientists can't explain it, and for that reason they are keeping the research low key. It has been published, however. I'll have to look for it, but I read about it in physics reading.

You certainly may be right if the problem is human perception and the limitations of the human mind. But by that logic, anything is open, including telepathy or any other paranormal activity. I'm really not an advocate for the paranormal, or at least most people associated with it. All I am saying is that our conception of 'normal' is still mostly Newtonian, despite the fact that quantum theory has been around about a hundred years now. We can't deal with quantum. The implications are too weird, too counter-intuitive. For example, there are even indications that the world consists not of atoms and energy, but merely of information.

If you ever get a chance, watch Morgan Freeman's TV series on physics. It's really entertaining and thought provoking, I think you'll like it. I'm not a physicist, just a dope. But the brightest minds in the world are playing with these questions, mind blowing stuff that certainly leads one to say: who knows?

Yeah I've seen that show you're referring to, Through The Wormhole with Morgan Freeman - some of it was interesting and some of it was nonsensical, especially when it came to the outlandish theories on time travel.

Look at how much has been invested in CERN. A great scientific endevour, true, but the experiment is only as good as the detectors they have and how can you detect a particle when you don't know even know what you're looking for? Who said it interacts at a measurable level?

Just like quantum mechanics, science itself seems to take quantum leaps in thought. To quote Lord Kelvin "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now, All that remains is more and more precise measurement." A few years later Einstein published his paper challanging the laws of physics at the time, namely classical mechanics. Our view of the world is limited to a snapshot in time.

The true measure of a physicist or any scientist for that matter is what they can contribute, how far they can push the envelope of human understanding, if they can show us something we didn't understand before, even though we are all looking the at same thing. That's what seperates the people with a higher understanding from the first orders and geniuses (like Tesla).

The idea of the world consisting of information (which is still energy essentially) is not new and is still in line with the principle of the conservation of energy. All the energy the universe had at it's inception Ut=0 is the same as the energy at a time delta t later.

Now Kevin, you're hardly a dope, you're a big dope like me :)

Best book on quantum mechanics I've read is QED by Richard Feynman. Simple and to the point.

Scientific progress, I think you agree, comes not a steady, consistent pace, but rather in unpredictable bursts. Of course, there are precursors that anticipate those bursts. Einstein's theory was not just some random outpouring of genius. There were a lot of developments, such as advances in electromagnetic theory, that created the background for Einstein. When the next big breakthrough comes, it will seem the same way, but we still have no idea what or when that breakthrough will be.

Through the wormhole(thanks, I forgot the name) was very speculative, but not only is that fun and entertaining, but that's the kind of out of the box thinking that leads to breakthroughs. Everyone said Einstein was nonsense at first, until the read the proofs, and then started testing them experimentally.

The fact that quantum theory opens up the likelihood that there is a fundamental connection between observation and the nature of existence opens up a world of possibility just as Einstein connected time and space. What does it mean? No one has come close to answering that question. Vedic scripts are as close to answering that question is modern physicists.

Whatever the next huge breakthrough will be, I know this: there are elements of the idea floating around now, disconnected, unproven. And most people now consider those elements nonsensical. That's how it'll be until the breakthrough, and even then it will take a while to convince people.

Impossible to pick what the breakthrough will be, especially for big dopes, but I will venture a prediction. I predict that this breakthrough will somehow link consciousness/observer theory with the physical world. It will not only result in a dramatic new understanding of the physical world, but of consciousness. I'm not talking about bending spoons or picking the lottery. I'm suggesting a scientific based theory that alters how we view the world.

Do you want to venture any predictions, Eoin, on the next breakthrough? Tough to do, but maybe you'll hit a bulls eye! I think it's fun to think about, but like I said, what the hell do I know? I'm just a bad screenwriter! I make a mean drink though.

Now there's a big ask . . . I imagine we'll go an onion layer deeper. By that I mean Newton figured out that bodies have mass and thus gravity, Einstien figured out that it was because space time is curved due to a bodies mass that we have gravity, so the next step, I think will be putting an order on space/time/energy. Maybe that boils down to the 'God Particle'.

Great conversation guys - wish my ADD wasn't acting up and that I could really digest everything.

I would recommend 'The Fabric of Reality' by David Deutch as well. He's a big proponent of the Many Worlds Theory and it's fascinating reading.

For example, he gets around the grandfather paradox by stating that if you travel back in time, it's as if you never existed in this world, and there are two copies of you in the alternate reality. Therefore you can kill your grandfather because he never sired you, and if you do, then the time traveling you is the only version of you that exists in either dimension...

Yeah, that's a version of the theory that the universe is constantly splitting into infinite dimensions. This was actually a product of quantum theory, and is thinking that results from the double slit experiment I mentioned. I have to admit I have trouble accepting that part of quantum theory, but it's grown to be accepted by most mainstream physicists.

It brings up another interesting observation. The idea of parallel words did not begin with scientists. It began with the weird esoteric thinkers in the late 19th century, the ones holding seances.

Eoin, don't forget that quantum theory is very different and even opposed to Einstein theory. Einstein struggled to accept quantum claims. Unified theory has been the attempt to unite these two theories.

Also interesting is the holographic view of the universe. I forget, is that Freymann too who developed that?

Hey, in another dimension, I just sold a screenplay for a million dollars! Woo hoo!

In another dimension Bruce Lee is still alive and has just completed filming Enter The Dragon 11!

Einstein was at the centre of development of quantum mechanics. His problem with quantum mechanics was the probability aspect of it - I believe the famous quote was 'God does not play dice with the universe'. He could not get his head around the random nature of the events.

A unified theory is something that encompasses EVERYTHING, not just relativity and quantum mechanics, but from one theory every aspect of physics can be derived, a little like Maxwells equations for waveforms.

A great film, which I think you would really enjoy, on a similiar subject is called Pi, Darren Aronofskys debut. It deals with with number theory and the search for God.