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Posted by: SAC, September 12th, 2014, 7:41am
I have a feature I wanna get started on with two directions to go in. The premise for each is basically the same, however...

Scenario 1: I feel I could knock this one out of the park. I relate well to the protag and the story.

Scenario 2: I don't relate as well to the protag and feel it might be a bit of a chore to write, but it has more marketability.

Again, they're basically the same story, just switched up so...

Which one would you write?

Steve
Posted by: bert, September 12th, 2014, 7:56am; Reply: 1
Have you learned nothing after your time on these boards?

Nobody knows what is "marketable" and what isn't.  People lose their shirts on "sure things" all the time.

Write what speaks to you.  If you are not enjoying it, what's the point?
Posted by: SAC, September 12th, 2014, 8:02am; Reply: 2
:)
Thanks, Bert.
Posted by: rendevous, September 12th, 2014, 8:40am; Reply: 3
The first one would probably be pretty good.

I wouldn't even wanna read the second one.

R
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), September 12th, 2014, 9:00am; Reply: 4
Depends what you define as marketable. I define marketable as a story people are going to love (would we write something we believe people will hate?). In that sense, everything I write is marketable.
Posted by: bert, September 12th, 2014, 9:04am; Reply: 5

Quoted from DustinBowcot
Depends what you define as marketable.


Movie Biz Definition of "Marketable":  At some point in the past, people made big bags of money using pretty much the same idea.
Posted by: CameronD, September 12th, 2014, 9:32am; Reply: 6
Is there not a middle ground in-between since you say they are so close?
Posted by: Toby_E, September 12th, 2014, 1:43pm; Reply: 7
Simply pick the option which you feel you can do the most justice. :)
Posted by: SAC, September 12th, 2014, 2:16pm; Reply: 8

Quoted from CameronD
Is there not a middle ground in-between since you say they are so close?


I thought of that, Cameron. And maybe as I go I might be able to do that. However, I think Bert got it right, as well as Toby.

Thanks for the help all!

Steve
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 12th, 2014, 2:21pm; Reply: 9
I think everything is marketable in its own way, so long as it's good.

Scripts should be fit for purpose. Ask yourself what is your primary purpose with the script.

If you would be happy getting it made at a low budget, then the way you write it would probably be different than if you want to sell it for a million pounds.
Posted by: PrussianMosby, September 12th, 2014, 4:19pm; Reply: 10
Difficult question, Steven. I watched We're the Millers (HUGE BOX OFFICE SUCCESS). The plotting worked mostly within the rules of the "marketable formula" like
-things are just happening to raise the stakes
-characters speak sudden dialogues which actual don't belong to the character they are.

On the other hand: Wow was this original and different as a whole.

It seems as if it's the plotting which replays again and again. They SHOOT original screenplays, but give them the same plotting over and over, like:

We're at the border to the third act. All has got to be lost now, no matter what organic way the story would go naturally - as in literature for example, or a painting.

We just have a hard job. So, bad answer I know...take the marketable script and put the empathic prot in there- artificial structured plotting seems to be welcome-- would be the cold answer--

Write what you think is valuable for others would be my personal
Posted by: SAC, September 12th, 2014, 8:59pm; Reply: 11

Quoted from Alex
We just have a hard job. So, bad answer I know...take the marketable script and put the empathic prot in there- artificial structured plotting seems to be welcome-- would be the cold answer--

Write what you think is valuable for others would be my persona


Nothing wrong with structured plotting, but can you finesse it enough to give your audience something different, moving, emotional, dynamic?   I relate more to the protag in Scenario 1 and feel I can do a better job with it, and hopefully give it all those things I mentioned.

A couple people, including the director of one of my shorts, made the suggestion that Scenario 2 would be more marketable for the audience I was going for, yet admits that he loved the conflict of Scenario 1.

So, I guess I have to find a balance... And yes, write what moves me. Hopefully it hasn't been done yet!
Posted by: PrussianMosby, September 12th, 2014, 9:38pm; Reply: 12
"artificial" < structured plotting.

So, when watching for example We're The Millers I think about concept is the biggest foundation of "different, moving, emotional, dynamic" stuff (in mainstream). Concept is most honest. While the plotting is same, you know what I mean. The plotting is there to fulfill expectations.

Have you already features here? I think you write a lot of dramas, and you're good at it.

(With regards to your purpose, and future intention; I would say write about the stuff you have not a single doubt about--that's only what I've learned without knowing how to...)
Posted by: SAC, September 12th, 2014, 9:54pm; Reply: 13

Quoted from Alex
"artificial" < structured plotting.


Right! I know what you mean.

I have a comedy feature up, but its from a couple years ago and not really appropriate for viewing!  ;D  Just kidding. It's called Lake Moose and it's in the process of a much needed rewrite.

(Also collaborating on a feature with a certain beer swilling Irishman who owes me some new pages. I'd mention him by name but I don't know if I'd want to be linked with that kind of rabble.)

And, yes, dramas do seem to be the direction I go in. Go figure that one... Supposedly the least "marketable" genre!
Posted by: PrussianMosby, September 12th, 2014, 10:42pm; Reply: 14

Quoted from SAC

(And, yes, dramas do seem to be the direction I go in. Go figure that one... Supposedly the least "marketable" genre!


(I'm goin to read your Feature of course!)

Hmm, I don't know it myself. I'm going to better write the kids play which is in my mind for about a few years (than the cinema thing disaster idea). That must be the right choice to go on for me.

When I read your short plays, I asked myself, what fucks you off (sorry I don't know the colloquial), or what you think is great about our world, life, valuable to tell. And I want to know . You're such a good short script writer, but out of money, what is it which let you say: That's a part I want, no, I have to tell. In your shorts you bring it across, best!
Posted by: Forgive, September 13th, 2014, 4:31am; Reply: 15

Quoted from SAC
... Supposedly the least "marketable" genre!


Top-Grossing Genres 1995 to 2014
           Movies     Total Gross     Average Gross     Market Share
1      Comedy      2,017      $38,644,443,230      $19,159,367      22.36%
2      Adventure      605      $37,901,192,572      $62,646,599      21.93%
3      Action      677      $29,911,606,846      $44,182,580      17.30%
4      Drama      3,709      $28,760,646,302      $7,754,286      16.64%
5      Thriller/Suspense      724      $14,503,659,063      $20,032,678      8.39%
6      Romantic Comedy      469      $9,154,851,603      $19,519,939      5.30%
7      Horror      401      $7,827,131,676      $19,519,032      4.53%
8      Documentary      1,451      $1,848,532,165      $1,273,971      1.07%
9      Musical      125      $1,686,777,810      $13,494,222      0.98%
10      Black Comedy      123      $1,110,746,177      $9,030,457      0.64%

Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 13th, 2014, 6:36am; Reply: 16
That doesn't tell the whole story, though.

The dramas that make the money tend to be the huge star vehicles that are pimped hard come Oscar time.

Smaller dramas struggle hard for recognition.

One of the problems is that there are simply so many of them. Every festival is chock full of good ones. The majority never get a distribution deal. Genre films are far easier to sell, generally speaking.
Posted by: RayW, September 13th, 2014, 7:29am; Reply: 17
One in five hundred-thousand spec screenplays in active circulation will be made into a film.

Three out of four films are written by the director.


Write the fun film first.
Write the marketable film second.
Won't affect the odds of either film being sold, shot, and on screen in the next five years.
Gopherit!
Posted by: SAC, September 13th, 2014, 8:03am; Reply: 18
Simon,

Thanks for the encouraging stats.


Quoted from RayW
One in five hundred-thousand spec screenplays in active circulation will be made into a film.


As long as the odds continue to be less than winning the Mega, I will keep on writing!

Posted by: LC, September 13th, 2014, 9:45am; Reply: 19

Quoted from SAC
Simon, Thanks for the encouraging stats. As long as the odds continue to be less than winning the Mega, I will keep on writing!


Great response.  ;D
Posted by: ajr, September 13th, 2014, 6:24pm; Reply: 20
Figure out which version is "what do I want to say?" instead of "I have an idea for a movie" and then write that one...
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