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Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 15th, 2016, 9:16pm
Welcome to the April 2016 One Week Challenge:

Have you ever wanted to be able to fly? Be invisible, invincible or see through walls? Maybe a little mind control is more your style. Well, then, this is your lucky day.

This week, you're going to tell your own superhero story. This isn't some redux of a previously existing character (although I won't rule out cameos by rich billionaires in bat suits... You are creating a completely new character and letting them roam free and destroy the villains.

T-minus 170 hours until your OWC script is due.

Topic: Superheroes
Genre: Comedy
Budget: Open

You have seven days to write a screenplay of up to 6 pages. The screenplay must be properly formatted and in PDF format. The scripts are due on Friday, April 22nd at 11:59PM EST and must be submitted to: SimplyScripts.com/owc.

There will be a Writer's Choice wherein the participants (and only the participants) will be asked to select the three scripts he or she likes the best.

Timeline:

April 15th at 10:00PM EST - Theme and Genre announced.

April 22nd at 11:59PM EST - Scripts are due.

April 29th at 5:00PM EST - Names and writer's choice revealed.

Jargon:

Up to 6 pages (nobody's going to come after you if it's less, but try to keep it to 6, max).

Properly formatted & saved as a PDF file.

This isn't a contest. There are no prizes.

Free to submit.

One entry per person.

Pissers are welcome. I can't say that everyone will appreciate that type of comedy, but they are more than welcome to be entered.

You can revise your script as many times as you wish up until 11:59PM EST on April 22nd (although, for Don's sake, try not to submit until you're absolutely sure you're submitting something you're proud to submit).

Participants are strongly encouraged to read and comment/review on the scripts submitted.

Do not put your real name on your script. However, please use your real name when submitting your script. (After the challenge closes you can either have your script removed or resubmit with your script with your name on it.

Please put © on the bottom left corner of your title page.

Best of luck and I hope you guys have a lot of fun with this contest.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, April 15th, 2016, 11:34pm; Reply: 1

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
Have you ever wanted to be able to fly? Be invisible, invincible or see through walls? Maybe a little mind control is more your style. Well, then, this is your lucky day.

This week, you're going to tell your own superhero story. This isn't some redux of a previously existing character (although I won't rule out cameos by rich billionaires in bat suits... You are creating a completely new character and letting them roam free and destroy the villains.

T-minus 170 hours until your OWC script is due.

Topic: Superheroes
Genre: Comedy
Budget: Open

You have seven days to write a screenplay of up to 6 pages. The screenplay must be properly formatted and in PDF format. The scripts are due on Friday, April 22nd at 11:59PM EST and must be submitted to: SimplyScripts.com/owc


Back to the drawing board...  Hey, it was superhero, it was comedy and it was six pages.
Maybe as a bonus unofficial entry,, I'll write Issue #2...
Posted by: Hunter, April 16th, 2016, 1:21am; Reply: 2
Does up to 6 pages mean 1-5 pages or 1-6 pages?
Posted by: LC, April 16th, 2016, 2:46am; Reply: 3
Title page usually counts as page 1. So, I'd say six all up. :)
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 16th, 2016, 2:56am; Reply: 4
But if you're going by the way the pages are numbered, it doesn't start until after the title page, right? Hmmmm...

By the way, like the sound of this one. Already thinking of things I could do. 6 pagers are a good thing too. Easier to read the lot.
Posted by: khamanna, April 16th, 2016, 4:17am; Reply: 5
I see superheroes - good!

I see villains - and the question is, do I have to? As I understand correct villains should be in the story right?
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 16th, 2016, 4:17am; Reply: 6
A six page script is a six page story. Cover page does not count.
Posted by: Dustin, April 16th, 2016, 4:48am; Reply: 7
A little taken aback to see comedy as the genre... but, I'll see what comes up. Can't start today as I'm absolutely shattered.

Oh, congrats on being a grandma, Pia.
Posted by: rendevous, April 16th, 2016, 5:07am; Reply: 8
What Angry Bear said sounds right. If anyone counts my title page in the page count I will be forced to get my lawyers on their case. I may have to go round there though, my lawyers I mean, as they too are not returning my calls. Probably a faulty line. I blame the parents myself.

Now, AB is a granny? When did that happen? Oh, congrats rather. Rude of me to go off on one before that. Or perhaps at all. Moving on...

I may have a doodle at this. The OWC I mean. Keep up. I know it's not easy. How do you think I feel? I have to write this stuff. Well, I don't. But I do.

Bugger. Where? No, I mean I forgot to go the shops. I'm washing my hair with Fairy Liquid and using old copies of a certain newspaper as erm. Oooh. Suffice to say I'm not reading them. Not that I ever did. What's for dinner. Oooh. A Pot Noodle. The evening meal of Kings and Champions. And me. Life at the edge. This writing business is so feckin' easy, ain't it?

I heard Trump's struggling. I'd struggle past the bathroom mirror if I woke up with that thing on my head. His hair I mean. And why does Ted Cruz's face look like it's made of plastic and he has been sat too close to a fire? These things worry me. I would talk about Sanders and Corbyn, but I fear many might run. Towards me I mean.

I don't like crowds. That's not quite true. Finally I've run out of steam. Aren't you glad. I know I am. Later.

R
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 16th, 2016, 5:32am; Reply: 9
Nice choice. Reminds me of a Movie poet competition a while back.

I already have a character in mind, just need to add the minor thing of a story

Can we enter more than one script?
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 16th, 2016, 5:41am; Reply: 10
Bugger... feel out of my depth this time... still a least it's a short page count... now, where did I leave that muse?

Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 16th, 2016, 8:25am; Reply: 11

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley
Back to the drawing board...  Hey, it was superhero, it was comedy and it was six pages.
Maybe as a bonus unofficial entry,, I'll write Issue #2...


That's a damn shame, Darren. I'll tell you what. If people can read issue 2 as a standalone story and make sense of it, I'll allow it.


Quoted from Hunter
Does up to 6 pages mean 1-5 pages or 1-6 pages?


Up to and including 6.


Quoted from LC
Title page usually counts as page 1. So, I'd say six all up. :)


6 pages of content, plus a title page, if you're so inclined. Some people don't.


Quoted from khamanna
I see superheroes - good!

I see villains - and the question is, do I have to? As I understand correct villains should be in the story right?


Khamanna, if I understand what you're asking, are you asking to write a story from the supervillains' perspective? Maybe I misread. However, the answer to that question would be yes. You can write a story from the perspective of the bad guy.


Quoted from Angry Bear
A six page script is a six page story. Cover page does not count.


Correct.


Quoted from Reef Dreamer
Nice choice. Reminds me of a Movie poet competition a while back.

Can we enter more than one script?


Good eye, Bill. Yes, there was a time towards the end of Moviepoet where somebody made this suggestion, but it has been so long that I forgot who it was, but absolutely. The inspiration for this came from them. Props. For your second question, I'm leaning towards no at the moment, just because that type of thing would fall on Don, so I'd leave that question in his domain.
Posted by: irish eyes, April 16th, 2016, 10:04am; Reply: 12

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
Pissers are welcome




Posted by: hawkeye, April 16th, 2016, 11:01am; Reply: 13
I'm pretty sure I'll be able to pick Mark's out in this competition!
Posted by: irish eyes, April 16th, 2016, 11:30am; Reply: 14
I can see it now Gary



;D;D;D
Posted by: khamanna, April 16th, 2016, 12:44pm; Reply: 15
Sean, what I'm asking is - you mentioned mind reading abilities as a kind of super power. But do we really need to have bad guys in the script? I have a script where a kid can read mind and telecommunicate (or whatever you may call it). But there's no villain in that one.
So, can we have a script without a villain?
Posted by: Hunter, April 16th, 2016, 1:18pm; Reply: 16
I have come up with an idea! I felt obligated to participate because it's comedy, but got worried with the superhero topic. But I have come up with something! And you could say it's...super. Oh aren't I so funny?
Posted by: DanC, April 16th, 2016, 1:43pm; Reply: 17
I gotta say, I have a mixed bag of emotions.

1.  I LOVE superheroes.  My immediate idea was my own creation.

2.  Superheroes and comedy don't really mix.  I don't mean like DC drama, but, even Marvel's stuff has some funny situations, but, it still pretty serious (I didn't see Ant Man yet).

3.  6 pages?  How in the world do you create a superhero, his back story, and have a villain, and put him in funny stories?  All in 6  $%^@&*$ pages????????

So, I think you're gonna see a lot of set up jokes.  Or putting them in odd situations that don't make sense.  

Also, disclaimer, I won't use the South Park kids as inspiration for anything.  But, gotta say, Captain Hindsight and MintBerry Crunch are looking pretty damn good right now.

Also a bit disappointed at the limit one per person.  I mean, it's only 6 pages.  I'll read them all anyways.  I just beg and hope mine won't be the worst of the litter....

Unless there's a "prize" (like the ultra coveted order of the crappy mug) for worst, then I'm all over that...

Thoughts??

Dan
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 16th, 2016, 2:04pm; Reply: 18
6 pages will be a challenge alright. I have an idea I like, but fitting it into 6 pages will be tough.

But that's what these things are all about right, a challenge?
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 16th, 2016, 2:18pm; Reply: 19
I love the idea of this OWC. I've got my thinking hat on, and my thinking nipple tassels and thinking thong. I'll see if I can come up with any ideas! If not, I'll just enjoy wearing the thinking outfit and rubbing tuna brine all over my armpits.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 16th, 2016, 2:36pm; Reply: 20

Quoted from khamanna
Sean, what I'm asking is - you mentioned mind reading abilities as a kind of super power. But do we really need to have bad guys in the script? I have a script where a kid can read mind and telecommunicate (or whatever you may call it). But there's no villain in that one.
So, can we have a script without a villain?


No, there don't have to be any bad guys. I was just running through typical superhero tropes.


Quoted from DanC
3.  6 pages?  How in the world do you create a superhero, his back story, and have a villain, and put him in funny stories?  All in 6  $%^@&*$ pages????????

So, I think you're gonna see a lot of set up jokes.  Or putting them in odd situations that don't make sense.


No one said you had to do the origin story. It's easy enough to already have them existing in this world. Also, have some faith. There are a lot of creative people around here. You'll find all kinds of situations with all kinds of comedy (remember: dark, satire, slapstick, gross-out, they're all kinds of comedy).


Quoted from IamGlenn
But that's what these things are all about right, a challenge?


It is part of the name after all. =)
Posted by: DanC, April 16th, 2016, 2:44pm; Reply: 21

Quoted from MarkRenshaw
I love the idea of this OWC. I've got my thinking hat on, and my thinking nipple tassels and thinking thong. I'll see if I can come up with any ideas! If not, I'll just enjoy wearing the thinking outfit and rubbing tuna brine all over my armpits.


Ummm, Mark,
    I think you got the wrong genre bud.  It's not a porn.  It's a superhero.  Now, I know there have been some superhero porns like Spiderbabe or Lord of the G strings, or BatmanXXX, or the infamous Justice league of porn starts.

Yes, they all exist...  No I haven't seen them, save for Spiderbabe that was on HBO one night, and was quite, ummm educational, I guess....


On a side note, what do you think of the comedy restriction and the 6 page limit?  I think those don't really go with creating a brand new superhero.  

And I really wonder how one could do a superhero that can see through people's clothes (and not be the villain?) or others like mind control etc...

Dan
Posted by: Dustin, April 16th, 2016, 2:45pm; Reply: 22
I have something... not exactly sure where to take it, but it's there. Feels good too, I haven't written a thing since that last short a few weeks ago.
Posted by: khamanna, April 16th, 2016, 3:08pm; Reply: 23
Got it, Sean, thanks.

I think I got something too! No wait, I don't - I'm not going to jinx it and scare it away. Ideas are like butterflies, you know...
Posted by: khamanna, April 16th, 2016, 3:53pm; Reply: 24
I knew it! A game of solitaire told me not to write this one.
Posted by: Hunter, April 16th, 2016, 6:31pm; Reply: 25
Can we define superhero so that there isn't debate on whether or not a certain script qualifies, which is especially possible considering this is comedy.

I would consider a superhero, in the case of a comedy script, to be someone who has, or perceives themself to have, a power or powers that not everyone has that they use in an attempt to do good.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 16th, 2016, 9:33pm; Reply: 26
I'm glad someone brought this up now as opposed to later and I'll give you the clearest answer I can. If it becomes a point of contention for people, I'll either expand upon or reduce it later. Batman, for example, despite the fact that he wasn't thrown into a vat of Acme chemicals, is still a superhero. He has skills/resources that make him that much more powerful than, for example, Rainn Wilson in "Super".

So, the second part of your post would fall into the "Super" category, which I wouldn't consider a superhero.

While this may seem contradictory, I'll tell you that I hate the idea of excluding people who want to participate. If you're interested in going that route, I have no problem with it. I just want you to be aware of the rules being bent quite far. Still, write on. =)
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, April 16th, 2016, 9:48pm; Reply: 27

Quoted from DanC


It's not a porn.  It's a superhero.    

Dan






No stone
goes left unturned...
Posted by: DanC, April 17th, 2016, 1:35am; Reply: 28

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley






No stone
goes left unturned...




I haven't seen that one, but, I saw it on the IMDB database.  There are a ton of superhero porn flicks.  Who knew?


And I gotta say, whoever saw Super was one sick dude...  I haven't seen it, but, there was quite a bit of discussion on that.  It is certainly edgy.  And dark.  And for me to say it's dark means it's dark.  Like the pot and the kettle would both call it dark, dark.  

Heck, my borderline torture porn short thinks that's dark...

Dan
Posted by: DanC, April 17th, 2016, 1:40am; Reply: 29

Quoted from Dustin
I have something... not exactly sure where to take it, but it's there. Feels good too, I haven't written a thing since that last short a few weeks ago.


Knowing you the way that I do, my first thought is through the gore content and into some bedroom, or sex-filled romp...

Even if you were doing a kids' show cartoon, I'd still imagine you'd take it there.  "Daddy, why does Elsa have bigger knockers then the other girls?"

And  "Daddy, how do you know that Kristoff is happy to see Anna because of the bulge in his pants?"

And "Daddy, why does Hans wear women's clothing under his clothes and carry around "female" toys?"  

Ah, the innocence of youth...

Dan  (i'm scared for his daughter's innocence :) )
Posted by: Dustin, April 17th, 2016, 2:59am; Reply: 30

Quoted from DanC


Knowing you the way that I do, my first thought is through the gore content and into some bedroom, or sex-filled romp...

Even if you were doing a kids' show cartoon, I'd still imagine you'd take it there.  "Daddy, why does Elsa have bigger knockers then the other girls?"

And  "Daddy, how do you know that Kristoff is happy to see Anna because of the bulge in his pants?"

And "Daddy, why does Hans wear women's clothing under his clothes and carry around "female" toys?"  

Ah, the innocence of youth...

Dan  (i'm scared for his daughter's innocence :) )


Mate, you clearly don't know me well enough. If I ever wrote that badly, I'd just stop writing. Perhaps you could learn something from that.
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 17th, 2016, 5:24am; Reply: 31

Quoted from DanC


Ummm, Mark,
    I think you got the wrong genre bud.  It's not a porn.  It's a superhero.  Now, I know there have been some superhero porns like Spiderbabe or Lord of the G strings, or BatmanXXX, or the infamous Justice league of porn starts.

Yes, they all exist...  No I haven't seen them, save for Spiderbabe that was on HBO one night, and was quite, ummm educational, I guess....


On a side note, what do you think of the comedy restriction and the 6 page limit?  I think those don't really go with creating a brand new superhero.  

And I really wonder how one could do a superhero that can see through people's clothes (and not be the villain?) or others like mind control etc...

Dan


I think of everything as porn, it's my default setting.

As for comedy and 6 pages to tell a superhero story, I think it's fine. I didn't think I'd be able to tell a story set during the end of the world in 2 pages but I managed 3 such scripts for Impact 50. Being given restrictions and challenges is great for a writer, it teaches us storytelling skills we never knew were possible.

You don't have to do an origin, the hero could already be established. You could tell the tale of a mission that goes disastrously wrong in a humorous way for example.

As for me, for the first OWC ever I have an idea BEFORE the final day and I've started working on it BEFORE the final few hours. Will this make it better than normal, or worse? Time will tell!

Posted by: rendevous, April 17th, 2016, 8:30am; Reply: 32

Quoted from MarkRenshaw


I think of everything as porn, it's my default setting.


Here's how I look at things on occasion with the shite I talk. Me. I no imply anything else. How would the last sentence I typed look like as the epitath on my gravestone.

Now you may be sat there with your health shake, coffee or diet pepsi and think 'Oooh, that sounds a bit morbid.'

Look at the sentence at the top in quotes then picture it on a headstone in a graveyard. Go on, you write scripts, don't you? If not, why are you here?

If I saw that, I'd giggle and move on.

Which is exactly what I'm doing right now. Later.

R
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 17th, 2016, 1:04pm; Reply: 33
Very unhappy with the super hero theme.  And 6 pages max?  ARGH...not happy at all.

We'll see if I can throw a pisser together.   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: DanC, April 17th, 2016, 1:13pm; Reply: 34

Quoted from Dustin


Mate, you clearly don't know me well enough. If I ever wrote that badly, I'd just stop writing. Perhaps you could learn something from that.


Clearly I was paraphrasing.  And it was a joke.  And I did read your story as Sodomy, remember?  That was pretty in the range of what I put together in like 30 seconds for this exert.  

And I didn't picture you writing it as I wrote it, I pictured it more as she picks it up, reads it over, then asks the questions at the end...

Harsh mate, pretty harsh...

Still (almost) love you tho...

Dan
Posted by: Dustin, April 17th, 2016, 1:40pm; Reply: 35
I know it was your attempt at a joke. I just didn't find it funny. In fact, I found it offensive. So, I told my own unfunny joke, that I hoped would offend you. Say what you like about me, it doesn't affect me at all. Joking about my (or anyone's) kids should be off limits. Especially in regard to sexual content.

Would you actually say that to somebody's face and not expect to be punched?
Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 17th, 2016, 3:39pm; Reply: 36
Okay, I'm done.  I thought of the story while driving back from Vegas yesterday, so it really didn't take long to finish.  Not really funny, but neither am I.  Just good to finish a story.  I haven't done that in a while.  

I really thought of budget on this one too.  Just in case someone actually wanted to make this thing!  Good luck to all on this.  Comedy is hard for me to write... and super hero... and six pages.  Fun though.

Looking forward to reading everyone  else's! 8)
Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 17th, 2016, 3:49pm; Reply: 37

Quoted from Jeremiah Johnson
Okay, I'm done.  I thought of the story while driving back from Vegas yesterday, so it really didn't take long to finish.  Not really funny, but neither am I.  Just good to finish a story.  I haven't done that in a while.  

I really thought of budget on this one too.  Just in case someone actually wanted to make this thing!  Good luck to all on this.  Comedy is hard for me to write... and super hero... and six pages.  Fun though.

Looking forward to reading everyone  else's! 8)


Also, the link on page one there is no place to submit the script.  Maybe it's just me, or the fact I haven't been in one of these in a while.  Any help here?
Posted by: Dustin, April 17th, 2016, 4:18pm; Reply: 38

Quoted from Jeremiah Johnson
Okay, I'm done.  I thought of the story while driving back from Vegas yesterday, so it really didn't take long to finish.  Not really funny, but neither am I.  Just good to finish a story.  I haven't done that in a while.  

I really thought of budget on this one too.  Just in case someone actually wanted to make this thing!  Good luck to all on this.  Comedy is hard for me to write... and super hero... and six pages.  Fun though.

Looking forward to reading everyone  else's! 8)


Don't submit yet. Use the next few days to edit your work.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 17th, 2016, 4:24pm; Reply: 39

Quoted from Dustin
Don't submit yet. Use the next few days to edit your work.


Exactly.  Absolutely no reason to throw in your entry this early, unless you're not going to have network access all week.

Read it over...read it over...again and again.  You'll be surprised what you find.

Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 17th, 2016, 4:56pm; Reply: 40
Yeah, I knew you guys would say this.  Jeff, you say it every time and I appreciate it.  I will take both of your advice and do that.  I had the story already in my head and my wife has read this draft and she's usually pretty good about catching things.  Not sure how much time I'll have the rest of the week, and had the story mostly thought out, is why I wanted to put it out there.

Like you said, I'll read it over a couple more times this week and will probably catch some issues.  The biggest issue is I SUCK AT COMEDY!!!  Can't fix that, no matter how many times I read it over. ;D

Thanks again Jeff and Dustin for the advice, which will be followed.  Good luck to you guys and the others!
Posted by: wonkavite (Guest), April 17th, 2016, 5:04pm; Reply: 41
Really, about the only thing I can think of right now has already been done.

Mind you, if I wasn't neck deep in projects, I'm sure the subconscious would engage.  But for now, I'll just leave the OWC rank and file contemplating this:




If ONLY Howard Stern hadn't beaten me to it years ago...  :P
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 17th, 2016, 9:02pm; Reply: 42

Quoted from Dustin

Oh, congrats on being a grandma, Pia.


Thanks, Dustin! It's still in the oven so to speak, but I'm very excited. Congratulations to you too!! Five kids! Wow! Same mother? If so, you should write your OWC with her as a superhero!  :)

I wish everyone good luck on the OWC! Can't take part myself, but with the page limit being only six, I will try to read as many as I can. Sometimes these shorties are nice little breakes during the day.

Good Luck all.  :)

Posted by: Dustin, April 18th, 2016, 1:41am; Reply: 43
Yep, same mother. All five are here, the oldest four getting ready for school right now. She is definitely a superhero as she seems to have elasticated skin, she'll be back in great shape in no time. Nobody could ever guess by looking at her that she's had five.
Posted by: DanC, April 18th, 2016, 1:57am; Reply: 44

Quoted from Dustin
Yep, same mother. All five are here, the oldest four getting ready for school right now. She is definitely a superhero as she seems to have elasticated skin, she'll be back in great shape in no time. Nobody could ever guess by looking at her that she's had five.


That's awesome Dustin.  Seems like you found your soulmate.  Good job.  Some people won't ever achieve that.

Good luck with the contest.

Dan
Posted by: Dustin, April 18th, 2016, 2:05am; Reply: 45

Quoted from DanC


That's awesome Dustin.  Seems like you found your soulmate.  Good job.  Some people won't ever achieve that.

Good luck with the contest.

Dan


Thanks mate, I'm definitely one of the lucky ones.
Posted by: StevenClark, April 18th, 2016, 5:30am; Reply: 46
Dustin,

Congrats on the new arrival! Sounds like you'll have your hands full for awhile. All so worth it, though.

Congrats to Pia as well for GIT -- Grandma In Training!

Steve
Posted by: hawkeye, April 18th, 2016, 8:12am; Reply: 47
Massive flooding here in Houston today so I can't get into the office, so nothing better to do than write a pisser, I guess.

Gary
Posted by: Equinox, April 18th, 2016, 12:41pm; Reply: 48
Good luck everybody in the OWC. I'll try to read as many as possible.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 18th, 2016, 4:15pm; Reply: 49
first draft done.

Man, some folk around here will hate this with a passion. hey ho, a few more days to fine tune.

nice to try a comedy though.
Posted by: Dustin, April 18th, 2016, 4:53pm; Reply: 50
I'm going to try just reading at night... as that is the only time I can write my own. If I look at this in the light of day, I'll delete the lot.
Posted by: Dustin, April 19th, 2016, 6:21am; Reply: 51
Despite it being daylight, it still feels like night to me and I have finished my story. It has an actual ending and I think I'm happy with it.

It would be nice too, that as we're all attempting comedy here, that we all try to see the funny in each other's work. Even if we don't. Just out of respect for our efforts. Especially the writers that are actually taking part. The ones that aren't aren't exactly obligated but should remember that we have achieved what they couldn't. Chickens.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2016, 6:48am; Reply: 52
The thing about comedy, besides its subjectiveness, is that it is very difficult to have it come across on the page. Most times, it's all in the delivery.
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 19th, 2016, 7:15am; Reply: 53
I've managed two pages so far. At this rate I'll have it finished next Wendesday. I'm having a new kitchen and dining room fitted so my house is chaos and impossible to write in. I'll get it done though!

I do agree with Dustin's suggestion.  Henceforth when I'm reading these scripts I won't say if I didn't find the script funny, as humour is indeed a personal thing and sometimes does not come across well on the page. However, if something does tickle my funnybone in a good way I'll be sure to mention it.

Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 19th, 2016, 7:17am; Reply: 54
Ive still got nothing ;-(
Posted by: James McClung, April 19th, 2016, 8:40am; Reply: 55
Managed to crank out a few pages inside a busy evening after writing in my head all day. Will finish tonight. First OWC entry for me since 2013. Don't have much by way of expectations, but the development process has been much different than usual (in a good way), not to mention fun. I'll take it.
Posted by: Dustin, April 19th, 2016, 8:47am; Reply: 56

Quoted from AnthonyCawood
Ive still got nothing ;-(


That's what I initially told myself about my idea... and I'm staying in denial.
Posted by: Vlade-B, April 19th, 2016, 9:23am; Reply: 57
I'm trying write a short for this challenge as well. A few questions though...
Why shouldn't we put our name on it? Should we use a fake name instead?
And most important of all: What is a "pisser"?
Posted by: rendevous, April 19th, 2016, 9:36am; Reply: 58
Dear Bill,

Good snort there. I mean the drink. At least I think so. Sorry, Vlade-B, interesting name. Do you bust rhymes with a name like that? Seriously, I'm not taking the piss. I often do, but not tonight. If you're not rhyming with that name, I would humbly suggest trying it. You never know. Pardon an old man trying to talk to a younger person. People say I'm trying. Very.

You don't put your name on the script because that makes you anonymous, sort of. People may recognise your style of writing, if they read your stuff a lot. Even then, they can't be certain who wrote what. This tends to lead to reviewers being more honest and less biased about the actual scripts, without the baggage of knowing who wrote it, most of the time.

I could go on. But I'd say that's enough for now.

A 'piisser' is an old American term, mainly used by old people to describe what people in my part of the world would describe as a piss take, or a joke script. One not to be taken seriously. It should be full of gags, hopefully good ones.

I'd never heard the term before I started wandering these boards. Don't worry, young people don't use it. They are far too cool to do so.

R
Posted by: Conz, April 19th, 2016, 10:49am; Reply: 59
finally caught one of these in time.  I'll try to fire one off... not much time, and i have no ideas whatsoever... but I can come up with something
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2016, 11:16am; Reply: 60
I've seen good pissers couple of times actually.

It's weird as I'm totally not a fan, because most of the time it's a waste of reader's time. But Sean said what he said... I know why though.
I understand.
Too many comedy scripts and this site is not used to comedy much - we'll think each one is a pisser. So, I guess, it's a special ninja strategy on Sean's part.
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2016, 11:17am; Reply: 61

Quoted from Equinox
Good luck everybody in the OWC. I'll try to read as many as possible.


Aren't you participating as well? Come on!
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2016, 11:18am; Reply: 62
And where are Libby and Dena? I don't see them on the thread.

Wonka said she's not going to be in and Pia is not gonna write one. Well, I've heard tat lotsa times from Pia so you never know. But Janet is out - looks like it.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2016, 12:28pm; Reply: 63

Quoted from Vlade-B
I'm trying write a short for this challenge as well. A few questions though...
Why shouldn't we put our name on it? Should we use a fake name instead?
And most important of all: What is a "pisser"?


You shouldn't put your name on it so that you can receive objective feedback. Some people may be tempted, when seeing somebody's name on a script, to review it specifically because they know them or avoid it because they don't. Leaving your name off is for the best, for everyone. No, on the script, don't put your name or a fake name. However, if and when you submit the script, please put in your real information.

As for the second part, it's a long-standing joke on this site. What "pisser" refers to is almost a parody of a poorly written script. The script is written by someone trying to emulate bad scripts by writing one intentionally bad.

Third of all, welcome to the One Week Challenge. =)
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 19th, 2016, 12:55pm; Reply: 64
Dena told me she's out, as she hates the superhero theme.

I hate it too, and will most likely be out.  Also, only 6 pages doesn't give much room to create a superhero, IMO.

Pisser?  Ah...maybe...maybe, but I highly doubt it would adhere to the superhero theme.

Maybe a new Bunnyman script?   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: James McClung, April 19th, 2016, 12:59pm; Reply: 65

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
No, on the script, don't put your name or a fake name.


:(

Any particular reason why no fake names either? I know Don typically comes up with his own, but creating pseudonyms is and has been fun in and of itself.
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 19th, 2016, 1:17pm; Reply: 66

Quoted from khamanna
Pia is not gonna write one. Well, I've heard tat lotsa times from Pia so you never know.

You calling me a liar???  ;D
Posted by: Dustin, April 19th, 2016, 1:59pm; Reply: 67
I didn't like the genre... but a challenge is a challenge. You either chicken out or give it your best shot. I was tempted to chicken out, not like I haven't got a hundred and one excuses just like everyone else, but you should never go down without a fight. You might end up getting a good kicking, but at least you never ran... hm, now that I think about that logic, perhaps there are some occasions where it's best to run.
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2016, 2:11pm; Reply: 68
Dustin, don't think - this never brings much good. That's what I tell myself - just write and submit, write and submit. No thinking.

Pia,
Quoted from Angry Bear

You calling me a liar???  ;D


;D ;D ;D
Posted by: khamanna, April 19th, 2016, 2:11pm; Reply: 69
Didn't Dena write the Bunnyman? She's out, so no Bunnymen this time.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 19th, 2016, 2:46pm; Reply: 70
Started mine today. Hopefully finish a draft tonight. I know it'll be utter drivel but I've still got a good 3 days to go over and clean it up.

Good luck to everyone. It's not an easy one.
Posted by: Equinox, April 19th, 2016, 3:49pm; Reply: 71

Quoted from khamanna


Aren't you participating as well? Come on!


Comedy and Superheroes - couldn't be further away from my writing. I'll wait for the next one :)
Posted by: stevie, April 19th, 2016, 4:09pm; Reply: 72

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
The thing about comedy, besides its subjectiveness, is that it is very difficult to have it come across on the page. Most times, it's all in the delivery.


Yeah good point Blondie. The timing of the jokes or final punchline needs to be spot on.

Using (beat) in a comedy can be vital at the right time, especially in a 6 page script. Also don't angonise over a line to make it funny. Go with the spontaneity
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 19th, 2016, 4:21pm; Reply: 73
What stops me is having to read and comment on 25 or 30 superhero scripts that are supposed to to be funny.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 19th, 2016, 4:37pm; Reply: 74

Quoted from Stumpzian
What stops me is having to read and comment on 25 or 30 superhero scripts that are supposed to to be funny.


Damn good point!!!  ARGH!!!

Posted by: Angry Bear, April 19th, 2016, 5:15pm; Reply: 75

Quoted from Stumpzian
What stops me is having to read and comment on 25 or 30 superhero scripts that are supposed to to be funny.

No one has to read ALL the entries. I don't even know where that comes from. Some people do because they feel they should, but it's certainly not a requirement. It is however, frowned upon to not read at all if you have entered.

I will try to read as many as I can, even though I can't enter this time.   :)
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 19th, 2016, 6:04pm; Reply: 76

Quoted from Angry Bear
No one has to read ALL the entries. I don't even know where that comes from. Some people do because they feel they should, but it's certainly not a requirement. It is however, frowned upon to not read at all if you have entered.

I will try to read as many as I can, even though I can't enter this time.   :)


It should be a requirement to read at least half, if not more...well, at least a page or so before you're out.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

I predict you'll be in, Pia, but I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

I wrote a half page pisser, so I'm in!!   ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: StevenClark, April 19th, 2016, 6:19pm; Reply: 77
A very civil discussion thread so far.
Posted by: stevie, April 19th, 2016, 6:26pm; Reply: 78
Blondie, we need to something about perps who enter and read none of the others.  Don used an asterisk system once to show who had been reading.  I say bring it back!  Lol
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 19th, 2016, 6:55pm; Reply: 79

Quoted from stevie
Blondie, we need to something about perps who enter and read none of the others.  Don used an asterisk system once to show who had been reading.  I say bring it back!  Lol


I say tar and feather them!!!!

Posted by: StevenClark, April 19th, 2016, 7:21pm; Reply: 80
Oh, maybe I missed it but what's the deal with no pseudonyms? I always enjoy coming up with those. Easiest part of the OWC.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2016, 8:16pm; Reply: 81

Quoted from James McClung
:(

Any particular reason why no fake names either? I know Don typically comes up with his own, but creating pseudonyms is and has been fun in and of itself.


Fair point, James. I just didn't want to confuse him. But, you know what I mean. Fakes are no issue.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 19th, 2016, 8:18pm; Reply: 82

Quoted from stevie
Blondie, we need to something about perps who enter and read none of the others.  Don used an asterisk system once to show who had been reading.  I say bring it back!  Lol


Unless we were to do the same thing that I did with the Urban Legends (and was a dismal failure), only Don would have access to who writes what script, hence he's the only one who would have control over something like that.
Posted by: stevie, April 19th, 2016, 9:23pm; Reply: 83
Yeah I hear ya Blondie.  Hopefully we don't get any non readers entering
Posted by: irish eyes, April 19th, 2016, 9:46pm; Reply: 84
Stevie, you should write about the Villains. Their whole season lasted six pages and it was funny.
Posted by: stevie, April 19th, 2016, 11:44pm; Reply: 85

Quoted from irish eyes
Stevie, you should write about the Villains. Their whole season lasted six pages and it was funny.


Lol no superhero could have saved us.   Pisser of a season
Posted by: DanC, April 20th, 2016, 12:21am; Reply: 86
I thought everyone who entered the last time read?  I guess I was wrong.

As all of you know about me, I will read every story.  It might take a while, but, I'm good for a read.

I plan to enter, have a concept.  Not sure I can execute it, but, I have a concept.

Does it have to be comedy?  I mean, horror is funny, right :)

Right???

Dan
Posted by: khamanna, April 20th, 2016, 2:36am; Reply: 87
Oh, wait. Villains are superheroes as well, right? Wow, what a thought - that opens up a whole bag of opportunities.

Don't you see fun in writing that? I'm surprised at you, people.

(and I'm very happy to hear that Pia is in!!)
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 20th, 2016, 2:53am; Reply: 88
Iím surprised at people dropping out because they think Superheroes are not their thing. If something is not your thing, twist it until it is. Give it a fresh spin! If anyoneís seen the TV show Misfits, thatís as far removed from a traditional Ďsuperheroí story  as you can get and yet it is a story about a bunch of societies worst louts gaining superpowers and learning to become heroesÖplus itís absolutely hilarious.  

If the challenge was a 6 page comedy about a first date that goes disastrously wrong and you think, ĎHey, I could write that!í Well write that, but give one of the characters (or both) superpowers and have that as the reason the date goes disastrously wrong.

It's all about how you approach it.

Now I look forward to you all reading my script and saying, Mark Ė you canít write comedies about SuperheroísÖthat was terrible!
Posted by: khamanna, April 20th, 2016, 3:18am; Reply: 89
Ditto that, Mark!

And the comedy doesn't have to over the top hillarious. Couple of funny phrases here and there and voila.
It's not always a parody. Just something light and funny at places. But if you want to go for something like a parody - even better. It's just you don't have to.

Sean said reading someone's mind is super enough. How hard it can be? My mother reads my mind all the time. And I don't know it. The thought is hillarious to me - oh the things she would learn.

And I'll be waiting to see a lot of "superheroes is not your thing, sorry" in response to mine. And that's fine. It's a game right.
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 20th, 2016, 6:30am; Reply: 90

Quoted from DanC
I thought everyone who entered the last time read?  I guess I was wrong.

I think that's correct. I believe that was because only board members were allowed to enter. The non reading entrants were more of a problem when anyone was allowed to enter and the OWC was promoted on social media.


As far as villains go, Sean is in charge of this OWC, but IMO, the assignment was superhero, not super villain...


Khamanna, if I enter or not depends on if I finish The Hit rewrite or not.  :)
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 20th, 2016, 6:38am; Reply: 91

Quoted from Angry Bear
As far as villains go, Sean is in charge of this OWC, but IMO, the assignment was superhero, not super villain...


Not quite, Pia. I did reference that telling the story from the supervillains' perspective is allowed. As long as the protagonist has superpowers, you're on the right track. Good guy, bad guy, doesn't matter. =)
Posted by: Equinox, April 20th, 2016, 7:35am; Reply: 92
Oh, what the heck - I'm in. Just tinkered something together. It really sucks, but I guess you guys got me with the whole challenge thing and such...
Posted by: Dustin, April 20th, 2016, 8:04am; Reply: 93
Not all superheroes have superpowers. Also, a superhero is not a super villain. A superhero is somebody that seeks out injustice and tries to do something about it, as opposed to ordinary heroes that do heroic things because they happen to be there at the time. Robin Hood would be an early example of a superhero.
Posted by: khamanna, April 20th, 2016, 8:31am; Reply: 94

Quoted from Equinox
Oh, what the heck - I'm in. Just tinkered something together. It really sucks, but I guess you guys got me with the whole challenge thing and such...


Big thumbs up!!

Especially since there's no one to threat this time - all board members, a loving bunch of pussycats!
Posted by: khamanna, April 20th, 2016, 8:33am; Reply: 95

Quoted from Dustin
Also, a superhero is not a super villain.

Might be, but Sean is open to our interpretations. So if I see a villain as a protagonist - the main thing for me he has some kind of powers.

Robin Hood for the superhero also counts in my book.
Posted by: Dustin, April 20th, 2016, 9:37am; Reply: 96
Specifying what a superhero is doesn't sound like being open to interpretation to me. Also, changing things to include writing about a super villain opens up a new aspect not available to writers that began working on a superhero story. A super villain is the complete opposite to a super hero.

We should have been challenged to write a comedy about somebody endowed with superpowers. That would fit in perfectly with what is being said now. The initial instruction was to write a comedy about a superhero.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 20th, 2016, 10:04am; Reply: 97

Quoted from Dustin
Specifying what a superhero is doesn't sound like being open to interpretation to me. Also, changing things to include writing about a super villain opens up a new aspect not available to writers that began working on a superhero story. A super villain is the complete opposite to a super hero.

We should have been challenged to write a comedy about somebody endowed with superpowers. That would fit in perfectly with what is being said now. The initial instruction was to write a comedy about a superhero.


Dustin, I first mentioned that supervillains were allowed on the first page of this thread. This is not some thing that I thought of today, for the fun of it.
Posted by: rendevous, April 20th, 2016, 10:13am; Reply: 98

Quoted from Angry Bear
Khamanna, if I enter or not depends on if I finish The Hit rewrite or not.  :)


Sounds fair enough to me.

I hate to ask, but do you have Roth, Hurt and Malick on board? I only ask as the two latter ones are getting on and may need to snooze occasionally. I would, but I'm not in Spain anymore. I miss the food. Spanish, I mean. The food. Stop it. No.

I'm only joshing. And showing off like a cock. Sorry, dick. Hmm, that didn't sound much better, Oh well.

I sincerely hope the rewrite turns out well. I know how hard they can be. I think you'll waltz through it.

R
Posted by: DanC, April 20th, 2016, 11:19am; Reply: 99

Quoted from rendevous


Sounds fair enough to me.

I hate to ask, but do you have Roth, Hurt and Malick on board? I only ask as the two latter ones are getting on and may need to snooze occasionally. I would, but I'm not in Spain anymore. I miss the food. Spanish, I mean. The food. Stop it. No.

I'm only joshing. And showing off like a cock. Sorry, dick. Hmm, that didn't sound much better, Oh well.

I sincerely hope the rewrite turns out well. I know how hard they can be. I think you'll waltz through it.

R



Honestly, she always struck me more of a quickstep kinda woman!!

Dan
Posted by: Dustin, April 20th, 2016, 1:14pm; Reply: 100
The super-villain thing is not in the initial post in this thread, which is where I took my information from. Not that I want to write Despicable Me 3 anyway.

You have avoided tackling my other point regarding superpowers. Reading through this thread you acknowledge that superpowers are not necessary to be a superhero, then go on to say that our superheroes must have superpowers to qualify.

Just a suggestion, but perhaps it would be better if you left the whole thing open to interpretation. This would also help prevent people bailing early because certain perceived parameters aren't met.
Posted by: James McClung, April 20th, 2016, 1:54pm; Reply: 101

Quoted from Dustin
Just a suggestion, but perhaps it would be better if you left the whole thing open to interpretation. This would also help prevent people bailing early because certain perceived parameters aren't met.


This is an interesting point, and also something I've believed going back many OWCs. Funny thing is, I think they've always been open to interpretation. The parameters tend not to be an issue until members start asking questions... which they don't like the answers to. Only those answers didn't exist until the questions were asked. It's basically a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So I say fuck it. Do what you want if the guidelines don't explicitly say you can't. There's nothing at stake, and no one ever gets disqualified anyway. Most of the issues I've seen in the past of parameters being too rigid were created by members themselves asking for clarification instead of just going with their first instinct.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 20th, 2016, 3:31pm; Reply: 102

Quoted from Dustin
The super-villain thing is not in the initial post in this thread, which is where I took my information from. Not that I want to write Despicable Me 3 anyway.

You have avoided tackling my other point regarding superpowers. Reading through this thread you acknowledge that superpowers are not necessary to be a superhero, then go on to say that our superheroes must have superpowers to qualify.

Just a suggestion, but perhaps it would be better if you left the whole thing open to interpretation. This would also help prevent people bailing early because certain perceived parameters aren't met.


Of course it wasn't in the first post. I waited for people to have questions (as always happens) and explained them to the best of my ability.

No, not really. I used the Batman example as a way to try and alleviate the problems some people have with some superheroes not exactly being "super". With that said, when people ask questions, the idea is to see how far the boundaries can be stretched. Would you feel better if I used the term "super abilities", or would that have made it worse? I'm trying to get the idea across that a person doesn't have to have been bitten by a radioactive spider in order to qualify for this challenge. I have no problem with that. Stretch them as far as you feel comfortable doing.

I would have left it to interpretation, but that left people with more questions and ones that were less about pushing the boundaries and more about actually clarifying things. I try and simplify them as best I could.


Quoted from James McClung
So I say fuck it. Do what you want if the guidelines don't explicitly say you can't. There's nothing at stake, and no one ever gets disqualified anyway. Most of the issues I've seen in the past of parameters being too rigid were created by members themselves asking for clarification instead of just going with their first instinct.


I don't believe in DQ'ing people or having them DQ'ed. If anything, I like to let it all get sorted out by the comments. If people don't mention that your script is way off the mark, in regards to the parameters, you're in good shape. But, as usual, this is just for fun and to test your abilities (and, possibly, win the crappy mug) and that's all.
Posted by: Dustin, April 20th, 2016, 3:53pm; Reply: 103
If it's open to interpretation then questions do not matter. It is up to the person asking the question to find their own answers.

Shame it's taken up most of the time we get to write the thing to figure out exactly what the requirements are... but then, what should I expect when you think it's OK to wait for questions rather than specifying exactly what you want from the beginning.
Posted by: hawkeye, April 20th, 2016, 4:28pm; Reply: 104
Dwight Schrute: No, don't call me a hero. Do you know who the real heroes are? The guys who wake up every morning and go into their normal jobs, and get a distress call from the Commissioner and take off their glasses and change into capes and fly around fighting crime. Those are the real heroes.

Dwight Schrute: I am not a hero. I am a mere defender of the office. You know who's a real hero? Hiro from "Heroes." That's a hero. Also Bono.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 20th, 2016, 8:21pm; Reply: 105

Quoted from Dustin
Shame it's taken up most of the time we get to write the thing to figure out exactly what the requirements are... but then, what should I expect when you think it's OK to wait for questions rather than specifying exactly what you want from the beginning.


Here's my take on this: if a person couldn't come up with a script that fit into the parameters that were laid out in the beginning with what I posted in the original post, then they were trying to find ways to push the envelope. Like I said, I have no problem with that because no one will be disqualified for it.

As for asking questions, I'm going to point to an OWC that occurred before you arrived at the site. No matter how narrow the parameters are made, there will always be questions by people looking to see how far away from the original topic they can get:

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-10OWC/m-1286589906/s-0/
Posted by: Vlade-B, April 21st, 2016, 7:30am; Reply: 106
Thanks Rendevous and Mr. Blonde, for both the explanation and the welcome. :)

@Rendevous, yes I did bust rhymes when I was a teenager. I don't recall that phase too fondly, though.

I don't know if I really qualify as young (late 20's), especially after asking the next question. How do I send my script? In the submiting form there is no button which lets me upload a file.
Posted by: Dustin, April 21st, 2016, 7:39am; Reply: 107

Quoted from Vlade-B
In the submiting form there is no button which lets me upload a file.


Maybe it's a sign that you should edit it again.
Posted by: Equinox, April 21st, 2016, 7:46am; Reply: 108

Quoted from Vlade-B
Thanks Rendevous and Mr. Blonde, for both the explanation and the welcome. :)

@Rendevous, yes I did bust rhymes when I was a teenager. I don't recall that phase too fondly, though.

I don't know if I really qualify as young (late 20's), especially after asking the next question. How do I send my script? In the submiting form there is no button which lets me upload a file.


The upload button appears after you submitted the form. Got me puzzled as well.
Posted by: khamanna, April 21st, 2016, 7:47am; Reply: 109

Quoted from Vlade-B
In the submiting form there is no button which lets me upload a file.


First you fill in the form - your name, script's title, your nickname on the boards, your logline.
Now you click on the button that says I understood the paragraph.

As soon as you click it another form comes up that says "submit your file". That's when you submit.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, April 21st, 2016, 7:48am; Reply: 110
Making a superhero comedy is tough. i expect a few entries along the lines of Underdog or Hong Kong Phooey -not those characters er se, but rather "animated" anthropomorphic heroes. AS for L/A, it's tougher because all the good jokes about the sub-genre have beenused from My Super Ex-Girlfriend to the recent Deadpool.

What is funny? I don't know, really.
Does 'coffin humor' count? Like in action films, a hero or villain cracks a zinger ("Blow off some steam Bennet" - Commando "Thatís a Smith & WessonÖand youíve had your six" James Bond, Dr. No)

This one may have stumped me.
:(
Posted by: rendevous, April 21st, 2016, 8:13am; Reply: 111

Quoted from Vlade-B
Thanks Rendevous and Mr. Blonde, for both the explanation and the welcome. :)

@Rendevous, yes I did bust rhymes when I was a teenager. I don't recall that phase too fondly, though.


I understand, I think. I hope the rhymes bit was happy enough though.

And not like that posh woman who liked horses whose father was a politician. She was ultra confident she could crack rhymes with the boyz at an open mike night on their turf. With a TV crew from Channel 4 in the UK in tow.

I watched it months later on the Tube of You via the Googlers. It's hilarious. She fails so badly and the lads laugh so much I had to watch it again. And later again. Oh dear. Confidence can sometimes make you trip. It does with me at least. Now and again.

Rhyming will stand you in good stead around here.

I'd take Dustin's advice regarding editing. Can't do any harm. Every script can improve. Even mine. As for signs, it's great if you can understand them all. I wish I did.

Good work keep up etc.

R
Posted by: cbead, April 21st, 2016, 9:12am; Reply: 112
Finished the script draft. Night shift tonight so hopefully some time to edit and re tweak it. It certainly was a 'challenge' for me, this one.

Pretty sure I'm well within the parameters, I was very liberal in my interpretation on the last OWC.

Good luck all.
Posted by: eldave1, April 21st, 2016, 10:20am; Reply: 113
Okay - I'm in. Look forward to the reads. Had this tune in my head the whole time.

"I wonder what it's like to be a super hero
I wonder where I'd go if I could fly around downtown
From some other planet, I get this funky high on yellow Sun
Boy I bet my friends will all be...stunned, they're stunned"

MATCHBOX 20
Posted by: Dustin, April 21st, 2016, 10:46am; Reply: 114
I'm in too, just editing to make sure it reads as actively as possible. I'll submit tomorrow.
Posted by: eldave1, April 21st, 2016, 10:56am; Reply: 115

Quoted from Dustin
I'm in too, just editing to make sure it reads as actively as possible. I'll submit tomorrow.


Very good.
Posted by: rendevous, April 21st, 2016, 11:31am; Reply: 116
Indeed. I can agree with very good, EO.

But I do hope folks aren't actively getting carried away.

As I was saying to Dave, y'know the painter. He does loads. Unfortunately he has the legend '& Decorator' after Painter on his van. Kinda takes the edge off his erm... edginess.

But he was telling me about DaVinci. Not DiCaprio. We hear quite enough about him. The sexy rich and talented barstard. I still watch The Departed in awe. Enough.

Dave said painters don''t finish paintings. They walk away before they spoil them. Hmm, I thought.

Usually the closest Dave comes to deep thought is analysing how the game went on Saturday.

R
Posted by: Dustin, April 21st, 2016, 11:42am; Reply: 117

Quoted from eldave1


Very good.


Dave, we agreed that you're supposed to say that after you've read it.
Posted by: James McClung, April 21st, 2016, 11:52am; Reply: 118
I'm in. Editing as much as I can leading up to the deadline.
Posted by: eldave1, April 21st, 2016, 12:02pm; Reply: 119

Quoted from Dustin


Dave, we agreed that you're supposed to say that after you've read it.


Damn, I forgot. My bad. Hopefully my vote won't be DQ'd. I feel so bad that I am only going to stick to one entry for myself. My alternate one was about a person that had the power to make people feel happy and dance by singing inane songs. He was:

Super Califragilisticexpialidocious Man

I thought Rendevous would find it compelling enough to paint if on the van.

Posted by: Angry Bear, April 21st, 2016, 12:12pm; Reply: 120
Mine was going to be about Fatman and Ribbon and the not so sexy Rat Woman. It was going to be a spoof on the old Batman and Robin TV show. Ah well...  :D
Posted by: eldave1, April 21st, 2016, 12:18pm; Reply: 121

Quoted from Angry Bear
Mine was going to be about Fatman and Ribbon and the not so sexy Rat Woman. It was going to be a spoof on the old Batman and Robin TV show. Ah well...  :D


That would have been a good one. I can already see the "BAM! WHAM! thank-you Mam!" on the screen.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 21st, 2016, 12:30pm; Reply: 122
My wife just came with a cracker, but it's too late for me to anything about, plus it wasn't going to be easy.

I'll enter the one I have knocked up, and roll with the punches  :'( :'( :'(
Posted by: khamanna, April 21st, 2016, 12:59pm; Reply: 123
I've entered mine. Still rereading - there's that one sentence and I don't know whether to use that thought on page 2 or page 4. It's an important thought but I don't know how soon I should the reader know.

Vot to do... vot to do..,
Good luck to those entered.

(oh and since I haven't recieved a letter telling that I entered chance are I will go crazy tomorro and start entering every hour or so)
Posted by: Dustin, April 21st, 2016, 1:53pm; Reply: 124

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
My wife just came with a cracker...


Interesting... thanks for letting us know.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 21st, 2016, 2:19pm; Reply: 125
My crackers usually come with a very poor joke and some mini screwdrivers or an oversize paper clip, if I'm really lucky a shoe horn!

;-)
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 21st, 2016, 4:00pm; Reply: 126
I'm currently participating in a 48 hour challenge (missed this until yesterday)!! Is there a way to get an email flagging when these challenges start?
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 21st, 2016, 4:12pm; Reply: 127

Quoted from Cam Gray
I'm currently participating in a 48 hour challenge (missed this until yesterday)!! Is there a way to get an email flagging when these challenges start?


Probably not since SS doesn't have a mailing list. (I don't think). The OWC usually occur in Jan, Apr, Jul and Oct though, so keep an eye out.  :)
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 21st, 2016, 4:24pm; Reply: 128
Guess I better get the old calendar out, or maybe just pay more attention. Thanks for clearing that up!
Posted by: Lightfoot, April 21st, 2016, 4:32pm; Reply: 129
I'll be submitting my attempt either later on tonight or tomorrow....never wrote a comedy before so I'm interested to see how well it does...if at all.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 21st, 2016, 4:48pm; Reply: 130

Quoted from Dustin


Interesting... thanks for letting us know.


Whoops - good spot. Came UP with a cracker idea - takes more than a cracker these days !!

I fear I'm I for a good beating this time, crackers excluded  :D
Posted by: Vlade-B, April 21st, 2016, 4:55pm; Reply: 131
Thanks everybody for claryfing the submitting part. I just realized it's actually explained in the text. =)



Quoted from Dustin


Maybe it's a sign that you should edit it again.


Not sure how much I believe in signs, but I just finished the editing as suggested. Thanks
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 21st, 2016, 5:34pm; Reply: 132
Pia/Cammy

There seems to have been a newsletter in the past as there's an archive for it and you can still enter your email address to subscribe to it...

Maybe Don should consider re-instating it, might be useful for enhancing SS for Producers etc...

Just a thought

Anthony
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 21st, 2016, 5:36pm; Reply: 133
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 21st, 2016, 5:45pm; Reply: 134
Cheers Anthony, good find. The poor man's probably run off his feet just doing the regular website stuff, but I'd definitely sign up for the newsletter if it came back into circulation...
Posted by: StevenClark, April 21st, 2016, 6:42pm; Reply: 135

Quoted from Mr. Blonde


As for asking questions, I'm going to point to an OWC that occurred before you arrived at the site. No matter how narrow the parameters are made, there will always be questions by people looking to see how far away from the original topic they can get:

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-10OWC/m-1286589906/s-0/


That's some funny stuff right there!
Posted by: Conz, April 21st, 2016, 7:30pm; Reply: 136
didn't have much time.  ... worth a shot
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 22nd, 2016, 5:03am; Reply: 137
First draft is done and now Iím wishing this was a 10 page OWC. It feels clunky and rushed. That will teach me to be all cocky about how doable this challenge is!

Ah well, I said Iíd enter and I will. Iíll give it a polish later and see if I can sort out some of the issues.
Posted by: cbead, April 22nd, 2016, 6:00am; Reply: 138
Submitted. You can edit, edit and edit and always find more to edit. But I've had it.

Look forward to reading the submissions.
Posted by: Dustin, April 22nd, 2016, 6:49am; Reply: 139

Quoted from cbead
Submitted. You can edit, edit and edit and always find more to edit. But I've had it.

Look forward to reading the submissions.


It's also good to step away from it and then come back again with a fresh head. I haven't looked at mine for a while now. I'll give it one more go over and then submit.

Good luck to all who enter... and I do agree that this one could have done with being slightly longer. My story could do with another character but to include it would take it too high over page count. I may put it in if a rewrite ever takes my fancy... or, of course, the public demand it. Never rule it out.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 22nd, 2016, 7:31am; Reply: 140
I have a first draft completed. I'm a good page over the limit. Time to whittle it down.

Don't know how I feel about this one.  Comedy is weird to write.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 22nd, 2016, 7:46am; Reply: 141
Guys, Don asked me to pass the word along. He's very busy of late and will be uploading scripts on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 22nd, 2016, 8:32am; Reply: 142
Yeah, as others are now saying, and I said immediately, 6 pages is too short...especially for this theme.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 22nd, 2016, 9:01am; Reply: 143
Six pages is just fine for my masterpiece  :D

In fact, as these are comedies, I like the shorter page length - may make them more tolerable, mine included. But I do get it is harder to construct a story in that length


Posted by: James McClung, April 22nd, 2016, 9:10am; Reply: 144
Six pages is a challenge, but more than doable. I basically interpreted it as write a scene. Maybe two. A scene should really have its own arc anyway, so it works out.

The limit should also take the edge off reading the other scripts. The last OWC I entered, I read all the entries. I was pretty bitter by the end. It's comedy this time. Could be even worse. :)
Posted by: Equinox, April 22nd, 2016, 9:24am; Reply: 145
I just wonder if my script is funny at all. I didn't exactly roll on the floor when I wrote it, so I guess readers won't either. It's a somewhat funny twist in the end, but not like can't stop laughing. Guess that's the problem if a non-comedy writer is forced to write comedy :)
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 22nd, 2016, 9:26am; Reply: 146
I'm down to six pages. Just about.

The girlfriend just had a read. She chuckled. Don't know what that means.  :-/
Posted by: Dustin, April 22nd, 2016, 9:54am; Reply: 147
Mine's hilarious.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 22nd, 2016, 10:07am; Reply: 148

Quoted from Dustin
Mine's hilarious.


Don't be so modest. ;)
Posted by: cbead, April 22nd, 2016, 10:08am; Reply: 149

Quoted from Equinox
I just wonder if my script is funny at all. I didn't exactly roll on the floor when I wrote it, so I guess readers won't either. It's a somewhat funny twist in the end, but not like can't stop laughing. Guess that's the problem if a non-comedy writer is forced to write comedy :)


I think it is hard to perceive humour in your own work, unless you are a reasonably skilled comedy writer. If comedy is not your natural style, then it will be a challenge... which of course, this is.

I reckon I have a couple of gags in mine that are passable as humourous, but I don't think the whole script is 'cleverly funny'.

The proof will be in the pudding from Sunday onwards
Posted by: khamanna, April 22nd, 2016, 10:15am; Reply: 150
We should take something when we read these. Or drink. Maybe we'll perceive the entries as funny/funnier this way.

Mine is not so funny either. The main thing is - it won't make you cry. That's a comedy enough for me.
Posted by: StevenClark, April 22nd, 2016, 10:39am; Reply: 151
I'm in. Do some last minute editing tonight and submit. Good luck to all.
Posted by: Dustin, April 22nd, 2016, 10:49am; Reply: 152

Quoted from khamanna
We should take something when we read these. Or drink. Maybe we'll perceive the entries as funny/funnier this way.


So there you have it kids, Kham's guide to having a tolerable time during the OWC. Just get high as fuck and laugh all the way through.
Posted by: StevenClark, April 22nd, 2016, 11:04am; Reply: 153

Quoted from Dustin


So there you have it kids, Kham's guide to having a tolerable time during the OWC. Just get high as fuck and laugh all the way through.


Or as I like to call it -- Tuesday.
Posted by: James McClung, April 22nd, 2016, 11:07am; Reply: 154
I was leaning towards the drink myself.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 22nd, 2016, 11:12am; Reply: 155
I'll be drinking tonight. Who knows what might happen to my script..
Posted by: khamanna, April 22nd, 2016, 11:37am; Reply: 156

Quoted from IamGlenn
I'll be drinking tonight. Who knows what might happen to my script..


Don will start uploading only on Sunday. Don't get too ready too soon)
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 22nd, 2016, 11:51am; Reply: 157

Quoted from khamanna


Don will start uploading only on Sunday. Don't get too ready too soon)


But we still gotta submit tonight, right?
Posted by: Dustin, April 22nd, 2016, 12:57pm; Reply: 158

Quoted from IamGlenn


But we still gotta submit tonight, right?


Not if you get high... speaking of which, time to put down this high G and get around to submitting, myself. Not, submitting myself.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 22nd, 2016, 1:19pm; Reply: 159
I may submit myself..
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 22nd, 2016, 2:21pm; Reply: 160
Entered

may the force be with us all - i fear we're gonna need it
Posted by: alffy, April 22nd, 2016, 2:23pm; Reply: 161
Bollocks, I've just seen this.  I desperately wanted to enter a OWC as I've not done one in years, and I've only gone and missed it!

Good luck everyone and I'll be sure to give some a read.
Posted by: irish eyes, April 22nd, 2016, 2:49pm; Reply: 162
Fuck it... I wrote a drama just to mix things up
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 22nd, 2016, 2:58pm; Reply: 163
I had a friend review mine, he replied with LOL. So I think that means I've won.
Posted by: Dustin, April 22nd, 2016, 3:01pm; Reply: 164
Mine's in... and I await the highly complimentary comments. I've seen the word 'genius' bandied about quite a bit recently. I'm expecting to see it again in my thread... and again... perhaps in every comment, but do try to mix it up a bit. Try a thesaurus.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 22nd, 2016, 3:09pm; Reply: 165

Quoted from irish eyes
Fuck it... I wrote a drama just to mix things up


:D :D :D
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 22nd, 2016, 3:09pm; Reply: 166
I'm in... be gentle!
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 22nd, 2016, 3:51pm; Reply: 167
In!

Wow, complete shits and giggles.
Posted by: khamanna, April 22nd, 2016, 4:44pm; Reply: 168
Ok it started! Thoughts of pulling out just visited. Ugh Sunday - chamces are Ill pull ot till Sunday
Posted by: stevie, April 22nd, 2016, 4:53pm; Reply: 169
Looking forward to reading these! If you can make me laugh then your script is worthy lol,

Now i gotta do some editing as am half a page over the limit.
Posted by: hawkeye, April 22nd, 2016, 5:18pm; Reply: 170
Out.  Had a great idea and just no time to write it.  Good luck to everyone.
Posted by: khamanna, April 22nd, 2016, 5:25pm; Reply: 171

Quoted from stevie

Now i gotta do some editing as am half a page over the limit.


Oh just play with the margins - who doesnt
Posted by: stevie, April 22nd, 2016, 5:27pm; Reply: 172

Quoted from irish eyes
Fuck it... I wrote a drama just to mix things up


Aah, the anti-pisstake bro. That'll stand out like dog's aggots lol
Posted by: stevie, April 22nd, 2016, 5:28pm; Reply: 173

Quoted from khamanna


Oh just play with the margins - who doesnt



lol K! Will dispense with THE END and possibly FADE OUT.  I'm loathe to heavily edit my comic babies but may have too...sigh
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 22nd, 2016, 6:05pm; Reply: 174

Quoted from Dustin
Mine's in... and I await the highly complimentary comments. I've seen the word 'genius' bandied about quite a bit recently. I'm expecting to see it again in my thread... and again... perhaps in every comment, but do try to mix it up a bit. Try a thesaurus.


Perhaps "virtuoso", to add a bit of spice?
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 22nd, 2016, 6:05pm; Reply: 175

Quoted from khamanna
Oh just play with the margins - who doesnt


In all fairness, that may actually pass under the "pisser clause"... Lol.
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 22nd, 2016, 6:11pm; Reply: 176
I remember quite a few scripts DQ'd at MP for messing with margins or the loose and tight options in FD. The tricky thing however was letting people use the A4 size vs the shorter US letter size.
Posted by: StevenClark, April 22nd, 2016, 6:31pm; Reply: 177
I'm playing with my margins as we speak.   :D
Posted by: irish eyes, April 22nd, 2016, 6:31pm; Reply: 178

Quoted from Stevie
Aah, the anti-pisstake bro. That'll stand out like dog's aggots lol


There's no point in writing a pisser when pissers are allowed... I'm a revolutionary!!!

Besides it'll give me something to complain about ;D;D;D
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 22nd, 2016, 7:50pm; Reply: 179
Mine's in. I must admit I nearly dropped out. My step-brother hung himself today and it's been chaos as you can imagine. Writing comedy was the last thing I wanted to do but I found I couldn't sleep and writing this has calmed me, which is quite weird but welcoming.

I don't mention this for sympathy or anything, I do so simply because it happened and I need to accept that. It's also a good reminder of how important writing is to me and how medicinal being creative can be.  

Best of luck everyone, let the comedy and creativeness commence.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 22nd, 2016, 7:52pm; Reply: 180
So sorry for your loss mate.
Posted by: Hank of W, April 22nd, 2016, 9:11pm; Reply: 181
Man, my condolence. Your dedication is an inspiration.
Posted by: James McClung, April 22nd, 2016, 9:19pm; Reply: 182
Really sorry to hear that, man. Glad you could find some solace in creativity.
Posted by: Wes, April 22nd, 2016, 9:37pm; Reply: 183
Okay. I did it. I submitted. Standing by for death by a thousand cuts.
Bring it on.
Posted by: Nomad, April 22nd, 2016, 9:46pm; Reply: 184
There hasn't been an OWC in a while.

Let's see if we can get one started this month!

Who's with me?



What's with the timer at the top of this page?  Strange.
Posted by: DanC, April 22nd, 2016, 9:51pm; Reply: 185
This is probably a really dumb question, but, when it says 6 pages, does that mean that 6 and 1/2 pages (part of a page 7) is too long?  

I've cut so much already for this limit.  I'd hate to cut more...

Dan
Posted by: DanC, April 22nd, 2016, 9:53pm; Reply: 186

Quoted from MarkRenshaw
Mine's in. I must admit I nearly dropped out. My step-brother hung himself today and it's been chaos as you can imagine. Writing comedy was the last thing I wanted to do but I found I couldn't sleep and writing this has calmed me, which is quite weird but welcoming.

I don't mention this for sympathy or anything, I do so simply because it happened and I need to accept that. It's also a good reminder of how important writing is to me and how medicinal being creative can be.  

Best of luck everyone, let the comedy and creativeness commence.


Mark, I'm truly sorry for what happened to you today.  

There aren't really words for something like this.  We're thinking of you in this terrible time.

Dan
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 22nd, 2016, 10:17pm; Reply: 187
I'm very sorry for your loss, Mark.
Posted by: DanC, April 22nd, 2016, 10:30pm; Reply: 188
I didn't take any chances.  I got it down to 6, but I'm not happy with it.  I don't think this will go over very well, especially hacked the way it was...

If it was only 2 pages longer...

Dan

PS
   I submitted.  I really don't know what to expect.  The other 2 times I entered, I had a good feeling and I got slammed.  This time, I think it could have been funny, but, I just had no time to develop any situations.  Of course, no one did...
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, April 22nd, 2016, 11:03pm; Reply: 189

Quoted from DanC
This is probably a really dumb question, but, when it says 6 pages, does that mean that 6 and 1/2 pages (part of a page 7) is too long?  

I've cut so much already for this limit.  I'd hate to cut more...

Dan


It's my understanding that the shorts must at least be six pages. I for one am not going to stomp the ground if I read someone who went to 8 or 9 pages.
Posted by: Abe from LA, April 22nd, 2016, 11:13pm; Reply: 190
I submitted with 2 minutes to go. My usual idiot scramble to the finish line.
Not even sure I submitted the pdf. version. But big deal if I blew it, compared to what Mark R. is going through.

My condolences, Mark.
Posted by: Ryan1, April 22nd, 2016, 11:43pm; Reply: 191

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


It's my understanding that the shorts must at least be six pages. I for one am not going to stomp the ground if I read someone who went to 8 or 9 pages.


From Mr. Blonde:

Up to and including 6 pages (nobody's going to come after you if it's less, but try to keep it to 6, max).

Posted by: khamanna, April 23rd, 2016, 12:40am; Reply: 192
So sorry for your loss Mark. Maybe this OWC will take your mind of ot a tiny bit. Such a tragedy... Sorry
Posted by: rendevous, April 23rd, 2016, 1:31am; Reply: 193

Quoted from MarkRenshaw
I don't mention this for sympathy or anything, I do so simply because it happened and I need to accept that. It's also a good reminder of how important writing is to me and how medicinal being creative can be.  


Mark,

There's not a lot I, or anyone else, can say that'll help. You've my sincere sympathies. I'm gonna leave it there.

The best of luck to you and yours in the future.

R
Posted by: StevenClark, April 23rd, 2016, 5:31am; Reply: 194

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


It's my understanding that the shorts must at least be six pages. I for one am not going to stomp the ground if I read someone who went to 8 or 9 pages.


Can't say I understand why people would be okay if it goes longer. Rules are clearly stated, and I think it  gives a writer an unfair advantage if he/she is allowed to go over the max. As Dan said, he wished he could've had two more pages. Well, if I was allowed two more pages maybe mine could've been better, as well. That's the whole challenge, though. Get it done in the pages allotted. Anyone over that limit gets a pass from me. No reason the folks who actually followed the rules should have to abide by those who didn't.

Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, April 23rd, 2016, 7:02am; Reply: 195

Quoted from Ryan1


From Mr. Blonde:

Up to and including 6 pages (nobody's going to come after you if it's less, but try to keep it to 6, max).



Again, I'm not going to huff and puff about it if I read someone went up to 8 or 10 pages. What am I gonna say, "I'm out by page seven"  ;D
Posted by: Dustin, April 23rd, 2016, 7:04am; Reply: 196
Page count is something I'll be fairly hot on too. I don't mind half a page, but anything more and it's unfair. I'll read it and comment, but it will get a pass.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, April 23rd, 2016, 7:06am; Reply: 197

Quoted from StevenClark


Can't say I understand why people would be okay if it goes longer. Rules are clearly stated, and I think it  gives a writer an unfair advantage if he/she is allowed to go over the max. As Dan said, he wished he could've had two more pages. Well, if I was allowed two more pages maybe mine could've been better, as well. That's the whole challenge, though. Get it done in the pages allotted. Anyone over that limit gets a pass from me. No reason the folks who actually followed the rules should have to abide by those who didn't.



Since when do the participants follow all the rules  ;D
So in other words, let's say you like a script but you find out they went over by half a page?
I'm sure there might be a few.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 23rd, 2016, 7:21am; Reply: 198
When I'm reading, reviewing and filling in the Writer's Choice form I'll definitely be taking page count into consideration.

My biggest challenge was fitting my entry into the six page limit. If it was eight pages it would have been a stronger entry for sure. It's a challenge. The six pages is part of the challenge.

Not saying I won't read, but it'll be a factor when I'm reviewing.
Posted by: StevenClark, April 23rd, 2016, 7:22am; Reply: 199

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


Since when do the participants follow all the rules  ;D
So in other words, let's say you like a script but you find out they went over by half a page?
I'm sure there might be a few.


Half a page I won't squawk about, no. But 2, 3? I do have a problem with that.
Posted by: StevenClark, April 23rd, 2016, 7:33am; Reply: 200
Mine went over by a full page but I whittled it down. Even a half page I feel would have made it better. Just my opinion. But it's down to six. I feel peeps would be looking cross-eyed at it if it went over the limit. Not that they won't be looking cross-eyed at it anyway.  
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 23rd, 2016, 7:39am; Reply: 201
My October OWC was 12 pages instead of 10. I messed up because in the past it has usually been a 12 page limit. This resulted in most people refusing to read the script. I don't blame them. I didn't follow the clearly stated rules...
Posted by: DanC, April 23rd, 2016, 8:11am; Reply: 202
I wanted to say 2 things:

1.  I think the page limit is important.  I am unhappy because 6 pages is barely enough time to set up a story, and a comedy on top of that is even harder.  Sure, you can do 1 or 2 page scripts, look at that Impact 50 limit of 2 pages.  

But, the quality of the story really gets hurt when you cut so much out.  The original story came in at 13 pages, so, I knew I had to cut a lot.  And I did.  When I got it to 8 pages, I really took a hard look.  7 pages was a killer.  Then I got it to 6 and a half.  I was gonna leave it there, b/c in theory, it didn't go over 6 pages, it wasn't a full 7, but, I thought I'd get dinged and didn't want that to be a problem too.

I barely got it to 6, but, as some others have said, their quality suffered too.  IF people like the cut version, I might do a longer version that I had in my mind.  I really have no idea if anyone will like it or not.  I have a feeling some will find it unfocused.  Trying to cram too much into those precious 6 pages.


So, who entered?  I entered 1 story.  


2.  I have said for weeks that this site is more like a family site for those who contribute a lot.  And the love for Mark during his tragedy only proves my point.  Mark, all of us know there aren't words right now.  But, dude, you aren't alone.  I think I can speak for every regular person on here who already has said something, but, you are in our thoughts and prayers bud.

This site reminds me of one of my fav series, Faceoff.  It's a Syfy show about make-up artists for movies.  A bunch of people vie for the 100K first prize and a new car and a whole makeup kit and lots of exposure for Hollywood to see.

Most reality shows are full of back-stabbers and just horrible people.  I have yet to see that on Faceoff.  It's amazing how kind each of these people are.  They are all fierce, yet, never cross that line.  They all want the prize, but, never ever mislead.  That's respect.

Once in the semi-finals, a person was doing something that someone else saw right away wouldn't work.  He told that person.  And that person saw he was right and changed their approach.  I was shocked b/c both the person who said something and the one who accepted it as truth knew that the bond they create on the show trumps money.

Another time was when this guy who had helped everyone out for the whole year got hurt late in the competition.  He had sliced his hand open and had to go to the ER.  His masks were still in the molds.  He knew he'd never have enough time to finish and his time on the show would end.  Only, that didn't happen.  Oh no.  The others, took time from their own tasks and cleaned out his molds and got them ready for him.  When he got back, he was sad.  But, when he saw that, everyone started crying.  The show of sportsmanship was overwhelming.

I see that a lot on here.  Lets face it, we all want to sell that monster script for a million.  We also all know that they could choose someone else's script on here.  And there are only so many people buying scripts.  

Yet, that doesn't stop anyone on here from helping people get better.  Some criticism can be harsh.  But, that doesn't mean it isn't right.  This site has helped me get better.

One person recently read a script of mine and couldn't believe how much better I've gotten since I joined.  I listed to what everyone on here said.

Yes, you can't please everyone, but, man, the sportsmanship on this site is amazing and like a family.  A family I'm proud to be a part of.

And Mark, your family stands with you!!

Sincerely,
Dan
Posted by: EWall433, April 23rd, 2016, 8:15am; Reply: 203
I'm in this go round, and yes page count worried me too. At one point I looked at my script and said, "Yeah, I can get it under 7 pages... if I take out all the jokes." Not only is creating a superhero in six pages hard, but comedy often requires extra beats that a straight forward delivery wouldn't need. At the end of the day I lucked out and was left with some room to work.

PS Sorry to here what you're going through, Mark. Hopefully, at the very least, the contest can be a good way to get your mind off it for a bit.
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 23rd, 2016, 8:33am; Reply: 204

Quoted from EWall433
I looked at my script and said, "Yeah, I can get it under 7 pages... if I take out all the jokes." Not only is creating a superhero in six pages hard, but comedy often requires extra beats that a straight forward delivery wouldn't need.

...yet, people did it every month for years at MoviePoet.  :)


Good Luck all who entered.


Posted by: khamanna, April 23rd, 2016, 9:39am; Reply: 205
Those from MP are a bit more disciplined. It wasnt as hard for me to trim it.
Posted by: EWall433, April 23rd, 2016, 9:47am; Reply: 206
Oddly enough I think 4 pages or less would've been easier for me to get my head around because I would've been thinking along the lines of just a very short comedy bit. 6 pages is starting to get into the space you need for an honest to God story. I suppose it's the difference between a 3 act beginning/middle/end vs one scene with a simple set-up/payoff. If it were only 4 pages, I wouldn't have attempted the story I went with, because it clearly wouldn't fit. But at 6 pages I could just fit in, or so I thought.

At least, those were the issues playing through my head. Everyone's got their own challenges.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 23rd, 2016, 10:03am; Reply: 207
Well said Dan, though can't comment on the Faceoff but, not seen it.

Personally I've grown as a writer and I put a lot of that down to the selfless help I've received from the SS family.

Thanks all!
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 23rd, 2016, 10:23am; Reply: 208
Like I said, guys, if it's over, it's not the end of the world (in my eyes. Probably because I didn't set the limit). However, it will get sorted out in the comments and you can always re-upload your original vision when the contest is over, if you'd like. After all, this is only for fun. It doesn't need to be a trying, stressful experience. It's just for fun and to test our skills. That's all. =)
Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 23rd, 2016, 10:33am; Reply: 209
So, even though I finished my first draft the first day, I was not able to submit in time due to my crazy job (which is why I wanted to enter the first draft, even though the story itself sucked).  I would like to know if I can still read and comment on the scripts as if I was actually participating?

Thanks.  Maybe I'll be able to get into the next one!
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 23rd, 2016, 10:44am; Reply: 210
Blown over by the kind words. Thanks everyone, this is an amazing place.
Posted by: DanC, April 23rd, 2016, 10:47am; Reply: 211

Quoted from Jeremiah Johnson
So, even though I finished my first draft the first day, I was not able to submit in time due to my crazy job (which is why I wanted to enter the first draft, even though the story itself sucked).  I would like to know if I can still read and comment on the scripts as if I was actually participating?

Thanks.  Maybe I'll be able to get into the next one!


My understanding is that you can always read and comment on the scripts whether or not you entered, the only thing you can't do is vote for the order of the crappy mug "prize."

I know I read quite a few for the one I didn't enter, I just couldn't vote.

And I wish I knew that I could have kept it at 6.5 pages.  I really took out some stuff I didn't.

IF people like it, I will probably expand on it, up to say 10 or 12 pages.  I really don't know if people will like it or not.  I know quite a few people guessed mine last time, I don't think it'll be that easy this time.

I don't think I have any gory scenes at all! :)  It's a sad day when I can't murder anyone...

Dan
Posted by: Equinox, April 23rd, 2016, 11:24am; Reply: 212

Quoted from DanC
I wanted to say 2 things:

1.  I think the page limit is important.  I am unhappy because 6 pages is barely enough time to set up a story, and a comedy on top of that is even harder.  Sure, you can do 1 or 2 page scripts, look at that Impact 50 limit of 2 pages.  

But, the quality of the story really gets hurt when you cut so much out.  The original story came in at 13 pages, so, I knew I had to cut a lot.  And I did.  When I got it to 8 pages, I really took a hard look.  7 pages was a killer.  Then I got it to 6 and a half.  I was gonna leave it there, b/c in theory, it didn't go over 6 pages, it wasn't a full 7, but, I thought I'd get dinged and didn't want that to be a problem too.

I barely got it to 6, but, as some others have said, their quality suffered too.  IF people like the cut version, I might do a longer version that I had in my mind.  I really have no idea if anyone will like it or not.  I have a feeling some will find it unfocused.  Trying to cram too much into those precious 6 pages.


If you can't make it on 6 pages, it's time to downsize your story and remove sidelines from your plot.

Posted by: Gum, April 23rd, 2016, 12:07pm; Reply: 213
I wrote one, thought it was pretty good/funny-ish, and honed the shit out of it so peeps wouldn't pick it apart for typos, etc. Got it down to six pages too. I had it ready to go then decided (just before submission close, of course) to read over the rules one last time to make sure I was in the parameters of those rules...

Quote: "This isn't some redux of a previously existing character... You are creating a completely new character and letting them roam free and destroy the villains..."

Ooops... I fugged up! I took an (already) existing meme, gave him a back story, super powers, and had him take down some villains. I disqualified myself cause I wasn't paying attention... that'll learn me.

Anyway, the character was 'Pink Freud'. I had him take down a bunch of Gummy Whale poachers in a place called Candyland. He's a gumshoe detective, and (almost) every line he delivered was a mash-up of a Sigmund Freud quote with a Pink Floyd song lyric. The script was in the vein of 'Kung Fury'... hmm, now that I say that out loud, it's probably best I didn't submit, lol.

Anyway, I'll definitely try to read and comment on some tomorrow, but a mediocre facsimile of summer just arrived in my neck of the woods and I've got a shitload of yard projects on my bucket list. Best of luck to everyone!

@ Mark, so sad to hear of your loss...
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 23rd, 2016, 12:20pm; Reply: 214

Quoted from Gum
I wrote one, thought it was pretty good/funny-ish, and honed the shit out of it so peeps wouldn't pick it apart for typos, etc. Got it down to six pages too. I had it ready to go then decided (just before submission close, of course) to read over the rules one last time to make sure I was in the parameters of those rules...

Quote: "This isn't some redux of a previously existing character... You are creating a completely new character and letting them roam free and destroy the villains..."

Ooops... I fugged up! I took an (already) existing meme, gave him a back story, super powers, and had him take down some villains. I disqualified myself cause I wasn't paying attention... that'll learn me.

Anyway, the character was 'Pink Freud'. I had him take down a bunch of Gummy Whale poachers in a place called Candyland. He's a gumshoe detective, and (almost) every line he delivered was a mash-up of a Sigmund Freud quote with a Pink Floyd song lyric. The script was in the vein of 'Kung Fury'... hmm, now that I say that out loud, it's probably best I didn't submit, lol.

Anyway, I'll definitely try to read and comment on some tomorrow, but a mediocre facsimile of summer just arrived in my neck of the woods and I've got a shitload of yard projects on my bucket list. Best of luck to everyone!

@ Mark, so sad to hear of your loss...


I would have entered that, shame.

Mark - My thoughts are with you and your family
Posted by: Dustin, April 23rd, 2016, 1:15pm; Reply: 215
Good writers can write a story in one sentence if required. If your story isn't good enough to stand up in 6 pages then it's unlikely that adding any more will help it. Your idea either works or it doesn't.
Posted by: stevie, April 23rd, 2016, 3:10pm; Reply: 216
I will be reading every script- and marking them in a first for me; it's comedy so it's 'serious' for me lol - but I will not open any script that is over 6 pages.

Mine came in a half page over and took me an hour or so to make qualifiable. Sorry to be pedantic but rules is rules.

Mark, hope and your family can get through this sad time mate. Take care
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 23rd, 2016, 3:14pm; Reply: 217
I just finished The Hit about five minutes ago. I will try to read some tomorrow.  

Now where's that celebratory drink?  ;D



PS: Sorry to hear about your loss, Mark. Maybe comedy is just what you could use right now.
Posted by: irish eyes, April 23rd, 2016, 3:19pm; Reply: 218
Sorry to hear about your loss Mark.
Posted by: grademan, April 23rd, 2016, 7:58pm; Reply: 219
Hey guys!

I'm in for your comedy OWC. I just couldn't resist. Look forward to reading the entries.

I used to hang around here and Movie Poet (RIP).

Yes, I'm a Beatles fan. Nowhere near the expert that Stevie is.

Gary
Posted by: albinopenguin, April 23rd, 2016, 8:06pm; Reply: 220
It's been a long time since I've participated in a OWC and I'm looking forward to reading everyone's entries. Also, if you went past 6 pages then I'm going to consider your script disqualified. The guidelines were pretty open except for this one. Keeping my story to 6 pages was a real bitch, but it was a good challenge. Good luck everyone!
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 23rd, 2016, 8:11pm; Reply: 221
I know what the stipulations said and it's up to each individual reader, but people shouldn't be punished for their scripts going over length, if that is the case. They put in the work and they tried hard, just like everybody else did. Just my take on it.
Posted by: stevie, April 23rd, 2016, 8:18pm; Reply: 222

Quoted from grademan
Hey guys!

I'm in for your comedy OWC. I just couldn't resist. Look forward to reading the entries.

I used to hang around here and Movie Poet (RIP).

Yes, I'm a Beatles fan. Nowhere near the expert that Stevie is.

Gary


GAZZA! Good to see you back mate and I love your av pic!  No 4 humans have lived that have ever been as cool as those lads.
Posted by: irish eyes, April 23rd, 2016, 9:04pm; Reply: 223

Quoted from Sean
I know what the stipulations said and it's up to each individual reader, but people shouldn't be punished for their scripts going over length, if that is the case. They put in the work and they tried hard, just like everybody else did. Just my take on it.


I agree... I'm not gonna shit on somebody's script if they rolled a few lines over 6 pages... big deal, it's a writing exercise and supposed to be fun.
If you made the effort and entered I'll read it.
Posted by: albinopenguin, April 23rd, 2016, 9:10pm; Reply: 224
I don't recall the guidelines saying approximately 6 pages. The length of the script was part of the challenge. I'm sure the people who went over 6 pages worked hard on their script...but the people who stayed within the guidelines worked harder.
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 23rd, 2016, 9:19pm; Reply: 225
Last OCT OWC, Don let my script in even though it went over the page limit.He's a nice guy.  I was punished by the readers however. I think that's how this will go. Some people won't care and others will refuse to read.
Posted by: James McClung, April 23rd, 2016, 9:49pm; Reply: 226
Gonna have to agree with those in favor of honoring the page length. For one, it's the only objective parameter in the guidelines. Hard to argue against it with a big fat 7 at the top of the page. Second, if you're less than a page over, you should be able to edit down to an even six with a little bit of effort (shoutout to Stevie). If you're over by several pages, your story might not be suited for six pages (except shoutout to DanC).

Plus I just can't help but feel like someone's gonna abuse the leeway just because they can. Call me cynical (I am), but fuck that.

I don't think it's in the spirit of the OWC to actively disqualify people, so I respect Sean's judgment on the matter. But like others have said, that is up to the individuals. In light of several members already on record for putting forth the effort to hit the mark, I'm not inclined to read entries that exceed it.
Posted by: rendevous, April 23rd, 2016, 10:09pm; Reply: 227
Seems a lot of folk are a little anxious about this OWC thing. Personally, I'm still playing Prince. Might put something else on later, but for now our departed hero is still big news. And so he should be.

I saw him live quite a few times, Prince I mean. What a showman. Oh yes.

Nevertheless, for each their own.

Now, what's on the telly?

R
Posted by: James McClung, April 23rd, 2016, 10:12pm; Reply: 228

Quoted from rendevous
Now, what's on the telly?


Game of Thrones is imminent.
Posted by: rendevous, April 23rd, 2016, 10:33pm; Reply: 229

Quoted from James McClung


Game of Thrones is imminent.


Eh? What's that?

Oh. Sorry, I was confused. I'm sure I put something down somewhere. Ah well.

Imminent? Hang on, I'll have to look that up.

Ah. I was under the impression it was gonna be on about three week ago. And that book he's been promising. I was sure I still had a full head o' hair when GRRM first said 'Ahem, it'll be out soon.'

Having said all that... Both the telly one and the book one will be amazing, as they have up until now.

Hmm, I'm sufficiently distracted to forget about this OWC thing until, y'know, it actually starts. But I'm more intrerested in where that Prince album I lent to someone ages really is. I knew I should have wrote it down.

R
Posted by: StevenClark, April 24th, 2016, 5:20am; Reply: 230

Quoted from Gum
I wrote one, thought it was pretty good/funny-ish, and honed the shit out of it so peeps wouldn't pick it apart for typos, etc. Got it down to six pages too. I had it ready to go then decided (just before submission close, of course) to read over the rules one last time to make sure I was in the parameters of those rules...

Quote: "This isn't some redux of a previously existing character... You are creating a completely new character and letting them roam free and destroy the villains..."

Ooops... I fugged up! I took an (already) existing meme, gave him a back story, super powers, and had him take down some villains. I disqualified myself cause I wasn't paying attention... that'll learn me.

Anyway, the character was 'Pink Freud'. I had him take down a bunch of Gummy Whale poachers in a place called Candyland. He's a gumshoe detective, and (almost) every line he delivered was a mash-up of a Sigmund Freud quote with a Pink Floyd song lyric. The script was in the vein of 'Kung Fury'... hmm, now that I say that out loud, it's probably best I didn't submit, lol.

Anyway, I'll definitely try to read and comment on some tomorrow, but a mediocre facsimile of summer just arrived in my neck of the woods and I've got a shitload of yard projects on my bucket list. Best of luck to everyone!

@ Mark, so sad to hear of your loss...


You did submit no? I hope so. This sounds funny. And I'm not sure if you disqualified yourself as Pink Freud sounds like a pretty original character to me. My understanding was you couldn't use an existing superhero.
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 24th, 2016, 8:14am; Reply: 231
I thought existing superheroes were off limits too, but Pink Freud sounds original. I would have considered it acceptable...

I misread the brief first time round and got half way through an every batman actor ever drunken halloween night rampage, against anyone dressed up as their appropriate nemis's. Now that would have definitely not been acceptable
Posted by: Gum, April 24th, 2016, 9:49am; Reply: 232
No... like an egghead, I didn't submit. I have a 'Pink Freud' coffee mug and that's when the idea hit me... when I was having a cup o' Joe, at the time the rules came out. I wrote the script  last week, and just before deadline decided to Google how many people might know about this 'Pink Freud' character...

F*ck, he's all over the internet, t-shirts, cups, a band (I think), a myriad of websites. I honestly didn't know it was a huge meme out of control. I got all bummed out thinking I wrote about an existing (hugely popular) character and didn't really follow the challenge guidelines. I strayed from the rules previously (elevator OWC) and got a good ripping for it, lol.

It's all good. I'm content knowing I managed to write another short for my script locker. Ah, maybe I'll put it up after the OWC, cheers!
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 24th, 2016, 10:37am; Reply: 233
I do believe that Don has posted all of the scripts, officially, so a big thank you goes out to him. We have 34 entries which is a great showing so thank you to all who entered. The master list can be found HERE.
Posted by: Dustin, April 24th, 2016, 11:24am; Reply: 234
Excellent. I'm going to find my story and extol its virtues.
Posted by: DanC, April 24th, 2016, 12:24pm; Reply: 235
Hey Mr. Blonde,
    Can we have a list of all of us who submitted a short so that we can try to figure out who might have done what?

I know I submitted one.

Dan
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 24th, 2016, 12:30pm; Reply: 236

Quoted from DanC
Hey Mr. Blonde,
    Can we have a list of all of us who submitted a short so that we can try to figure out who might have done what?


Only Don has access to the list of who actually submitted. However, the names will be revealed on Friday.

If people want to come forward and say that they entered one (besides the people who already have, in this post), that's no issue. Guessing is always welcome, but please don't say what you actually wrote, yet (not to you, just a general message).
Posted by: khamanna, April 24th, 2016, 12:49pm; Reply: 237
I won't be able to guess out anyone -  every one I read is ren's. Seriously. It's like he sat and wrote all of them.
Posted by: stevie, April 24th, 2016, 1:02pm; Reply: 238
It's a public holiday here today - April 25 is our sacred Anzac Day. so I have all day to read!

Its 4am now and am waiting in car for the Dawn Service. My daughter Abbey is with me. I'm wearing the shirt I wore at Gallipoli this time last year.  

Lest we forget..
Posted by: DanC, April 24th, 2016, 1:40pm; Reply: 239
I just thought it'd be fun to try to guess who wrote what...

Oh well.  Although, so far, I can't figure out anything from the stories I've read so far...
Posted by: Equinox, April 24th, 2016, 1:48pm; Reply: 240
I do have two guesses so far. One strong guess about a script I didn't even read yet. Logline says it all. Could be wrong though.
Posted by: Dustin, April 24th, 2016, 1:57pm; Reply: 241
The guessing thread usually comes much later.
Posted by: Equinox, April 24th, 2016, 2:03pm; Reply: 242
I know, I know - that's why I didn't write my guesses.

Half way through, my top 3 so far

1 - Mother Nature's Joke
2 - Not Today, Gucci
3 - A Game Of Supers
Posted by: khamanna, April 24th, 2016, 3:20pm; Reply: 243
Thank you Equinox. I'll go through them.

I loved SuperMick - suggest everyone reads it.
Posted by: Wes, April 24th, 2016, 3:29pm; Reply: 244
Okay, so when is it acceptable to reply to the comments made on your OWC?

And could someone please 'splain to me how the voting works?

Really enjoying this and having fun reading all the scripts.
Posted by: DanC, April 24th, 2016, 3:32pm; Reply: 245

Quoted from Equinox
I know, I know - that's why I didn't write my guesses.

Half way through, my top 3 so far

1 - Mother Nature's Joke
2 - Not Today, Gucci
3 - A Game Of Supers


Gucci??  You gotta be kidding.  I couldn't get past page 3...

Haven't read the others.  Hey did you ever submit the one you sent me?

Dan
Posted by: stevie, April 24th, 2016, 3:35pm; Reply: 246
Have started reviewing but just wanted to point out to perps that any low scores I give your script won't necessarily be for poor writing just purely on the comedy lol.

So don't curse me!

Have found 2 so far that are too long so have put them aside
Posted by: James McClung, April 24th, 2016, 4:56pm; Reply: 247

Quoted from Gum
Anyway, the character was 'Pink Freud'. I had him take down a bunch of Gummy Whale poachers in a place called Candyland. He's a gumshoe detective, and (almost) every line he delivered was a mash-up of a Sigmund Freud quote with a Pink Floyd song lyric. The script was in the vein of 'Kung Fury'... hmm, now that I say that out loud, it's probably best I didn't submit, lol.


Please post this. Sounds like fun. Pink Freud sounds like an original character too.

I'm also a huge Pink Floyd fan. Owned nearly every album by the time I was twelve, minus The Final Cut and the Barbet Schroeder soundtracks. Prefer early Floyd though (pre-Dark Side of the Moon). Not that the later albums aren't awesome.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 24th, 2016, 5:15pm; Reply: 248
I like this challenge.

Yeah, there is hit and miss, but the turn out has been good. And it's enjoyable. Thirdly (note humour) this varies the OWC options. Fifthly I can count again.

I think we should do one of these per year.
Posted by: Ryan1, April 24th, 2016, 7:14pm; Reply: 249

Quoted from Wes
Okay, so when is it acceptable to reply to the comments made on your OWC?

And could someone please 'splain to me how the voting works?

Really enjoying this and having fun reading all the scripts.


Hold off on replying to the comments on your thread until the names are revealed, which is in about a week, I think.  If you entered, you'll receive an email with a ballot for your voting.
Posted by: DanC, April 24th, 2016, 7:15pm; Reply: 250

Quoted from James McClung


Please post this. Sounds like fun. Pink Freud sounds like an original character too.

I'm also a huge Pink Floyd fan. Owned nearly every album by the time I was twelve, minus The Final Cut and the Barbet Schroeder soundtracks. Prefer early Floyd though (pre-Dark Side of the Moon). Not that the later albums aren't awesome.


I agree, this sounds original.  I think he meant that he didn't want to see Batman called Matbam or something along those lines.  

I think if Peter Porker wasn't already a character, that might have even been okay.  I mean, a spider web-weilding pig, what's not to like?

So, yes, please post this.  I too, was a pretty big Floyd fan.  I won tickets to their concert in Toronto a long time ago.  So much fun!!

Dan
Posted by: DanC, April 24th, 2016, 7:17pm; Reply: 251

Quoted from Ryan1


Hold off on replying to the comments on your thread until the names are revealed, which is in about a week, I think.  If you entered, you'll receive an email with a ballot for your voting.


True story, if this is your first attempt, you won't last a week.  Hell, I've entered two of these so far and I haven't lasted a week.  I'm not sure I'll ever  go a week without outing myself and acting like a fool...

Notice I said acting like and not an actual, there is a difference :)

Dan
Posted by: irish eyes, April 24th, 2016, 7:28pm; Reply: 252
I've read 22 so far...

Some hits, some ok and some dark dramas????

The hits so far for me as far as laughs goes...

SuperMick
Super Singles
Simply Super
The Symbol
Googleman
Mother Nature's joke
Posted by: Wes, April 24th, 2016, 7:35pm; Reply: 253

Quoted from DanC


True story, if this is your first attempt, you won't last a week.  Hell, I've entered two of these so far and I haven't lasted a week.  I'm not sure I'll ever  go a week without outing myself and acting like a fool...

Notice I said acting like and not an actual, there is a difference :)

Dan


Hey, Dan. What do you mean by not lasting a week? Someone comes and kills me? My script is taken down? No one comments on my script and it fades away to nothing?
Posted by: irish eyes, April 24th, 2016, 7:43pm; Reply: 254

Quoted from Wes
Hey, Dan. What do you mean by not lasting a week? Someone comes and kills me? My script is taken down? No one comments on my script and it fades away to nothing?


He means you won't last a week without making it clear that a certain script belongs to you, by replying to those who have left comments on your script.

Sometimes people getting a little excited when they get bad reviews and they feel the need to explain themselves before the week is out, so we all know who wrote it before the reveal... don't do it.
Posted by: stevie, April 24th, 2016, 8:59pm; Reply: 255
Have read them all except for the 3 that were over 7 pages. I think this was one of the tougher challenges since I've been onboard here, what with the 6 page max and the mix of comedy and superhero theme.

But it made for very quick and easy reading!!!   Anyone need any extra thoughts on their script, feel free to PM me
Posted by: DanC, April 24th, 2016, 9:00pm; Reply: 256

Quoted from irish eyes


He means you won't last a week without making it clear that a certain script belongs to you, by replying to those who have left comments on your script.

Sometimes people getting a little excited when they get bad reviews and they feel the need to explain themselves before the week is out, so we all know who wrote it before the reveal... don't do it.


Yep, that is exactly what I mean.  So far, I haven't been able to last the week yet.  I had to defend my piece.  Or at least explain the drug induced stupor I was in when I wrote it and explain why it seemed like a good idea.  

He's right, you SHOULDN'T do it.  I haven't been able to hold my cool.

And actually, that's about it.  You do die each time someone says something bad, and then it does fade into eternity, never to be heard from again.

Actually, so far, the newest one has gotten pretty decent reviews so far.  Figures, the one I didn't care for gets the best (for me) reviews).  It still isn't good, but, at least it's not overwhelmingly negative.

I had to cut so much out from mine that it lost so much of what I intended...

Dan
Posted by: irish eyes, April 24th, 2016, 10:21pm; Reply: 257
34 Scripts read and accounted for...

Thanks to Sean and Don for all your hard work... I'm off to bed :)
Posted by: Wes, April 25th, 2016, 11:16am; Reply: 258

Quoted from DanC


Yep, that is exactly what I mean.  So far, I haven't been able to last the week yet.  I had to defend my piece.  Or at least explain the drug induced stupor I was in when I wrote it and explain why it seemed like a good idea.  

He's right, you SHOULDN'T do it.  I haven't been able to hold my cool.

And actually, that's about it.  You do die each time someone says something bad, and then it does fade into eternity, never to be heard from again.

Actually, so far, the newest one has gotten pretty decent reviews so far.  Figures, the one I didn't care for gets the best (for me) reviews).  It still isn't good, but, at least it's not overwhelmingly negative.

I had to cut so much out from mine that it lost so much of what I intended...

Dan


Ah, well then, I'll be very quiet.
Posted by: eldave1, April 25th, 2016, 11:29am; Reply: 259
I am about half way through.

This is an interesting review challenge - unlike any other OWC. Since it is a comedy OWC, for me a litmus test has been - did it make me laugh/chuckle? Several otherwise well-written ones have not.  Not quite sure what to make of them recommend/consider/pass. Clumsy way of saying - should I rate a just okay written script that made me laugh over a well written script that did not.  

Wil be mulling it over.  
Posted by: Wes, April 25th, 2016, 12:09pm; Reply: 260
Done. I've read them all. Didn't comment on the last two that were over the page limit because I'd just be repeating what's already been said.

Comedy is pretty subjective, isn't it? I think SuperMick is an excellent example of how we all perceive things differently. I find myself trying to be conscious of cultural differences too. All the way down to the slang/language that's used.

A lot of interesting reads. Good stuff.
Posted by: DanC, April 25th, 2016, 12:13pm; Reply: 261

Quoted from eldave1
I am about half way through.

This is an interesting review challenge - unlike any other OWC. Since it is a comedy OWC, for me a litmus test has been - did it make me laugh/chuckle? Several otherwise well-written ones have not.  Not quite sure what to make of them recommend/consider/pass. Clumsy way of saying - should I rate a just okay written script that made me laugh over a well written script that did not.  

Wil be mulling it over.  


For me, that choice is easy.  If it made me laugh, they did the job.  If not, they didn't.  It's a comedy.  Even if we don't appreciate that sense of humor (say low brow vs high brow) at least we can see if it's done well or not.  

So, no laugh, for me = pass.

Dan
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 25th, 2016, 12:18pm; Reply: 262
If you laugh at your own does that count  :D

Well, when I say laugh, a slight chuckle...sort of. Good enough for me. Others though have to make me howl with laughter to make the grade  :K)
Posted by: DanC, April 25th, 2016, 12:27pm; Reply: 263

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
If you laugh at your own does that count  :D

Well, when I say laugh, a slight chuckle...sort of. Good enough for me. Others though have to make me howl with laughter to make the grade  :K)


Seems fair...

Right??

Dan
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 25th, 2016, 12:31pm; Reply: 264

Quoted from DanC


If it made me laugh, they did the job.  If not, they didn't.  It's a comedy.  Even if we don't appreciate that sense of humor (say low brow vs high brow) at least we can see if it's done well or not.  

So, no laugh, for me = pass.

I don't know. I hated the movie Bridesmaids. Not my cup of tea at all, but just because I didn't find it funny doesn't mean it wasn't a comedy.

I have read a few of these, but not commented on any. At least not yet. Seems to me some people try to be funny in their prose, rather than what would be on screen. That to me doesn't work at all.
Posted by: StevenClark, April 25th, 2016, 10:37pm; Reply: 265
Well, read all 34. Congrats to all the writers who entered. I liked a few of these. About five or six stood out as pretty darn good, but I have an idea what my final three will be. Some of these were just flat out bizarre, while others had a decent premise but lacked in execution. Kinda ran the gamut what went right and what went wrong. But a lot of peeps already pointed out that comedy wasn't their thing, myself included. But, as always, fun and a cool challenge.

Steve
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 26th, 2016, 8:42am; Reply: 266
I finished up last night, mixed bag as always but was a little surprised by how how many were closer to drama than comedy, not a bad thing as they worked as Dramas but not necessarily in this OWC

Still great effort by all in getting done and in in a week, always fun ;-)

Now for the interesting part... The writer reveal and the voting!
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 26th, 2016, 8:52am; Reply: 267
Iíve read about half so far, I will get through all of them before the week is out. So far Iíve been impressed and itís been great to have a comedy owc for a change. I think itís good to force writers out of their comfort zone every once in a while.

As for my own entry, itís getting the usual love/hate/kinda like/itís OK/I really donít understand it at all inconsistency mine always seems to generate lol! But I donít feel the need to come out and defend it. If people read it and get it, fine. If not, fine. Iím getting some good ideas for draft 2 and thatís all that matters to me.  :-)
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 26th, 2016, 9:03am; Reply: 268
I've got about 5 or 6 more to read...or try to read.  Several good efforts, many very poor efforts...a few little to no effort at all.

Very surprised at the lack of comedy on display, for the most part.  It's almost as if some peeps don';t know what comedy even is, which I find hard to fathom.  But then again, the theme of superhero or super power doesn't go hand in hand with comedy, IMO, which is why I didn't enter a script.

I was going to throw up a pisser, but decided not to piss peeps off with it.
Posted by: James McClung, April 26th, 2016, 9:12am; Reply: 269
I've only read a few thus far. Only one genuinely made me laugh. I'm impressed with the variety though. OWC scripts can run a little repetitive depending on the genre/theme. For the most part, I think the writers made a good effort too.

My own script is a complete bust. I blew it with the last rewrite and realized it at the worst possible time: AFTER submitting but BEFORE the scripts were posted. By the time it was up, I was already over it. Whatever. Onward with the other scripts!
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 26th, 2016, 11:26am; Reply: 270

Quoted from Dreamscale
It's almost as if some peeps don';t know what comedy even is, which I find hard to fathom.


That's why I didn't bother trying to do one.
Posted by: Dustin, April 26th, 2016, 11:39am; Reply: 271

Quoted from Dreamscale
...a few little to no effort at all.


Says the guy who yet again bottled out of entering a script.
Posted by: James McClung, April 26th, 2016, 11:43am; Reply: 272

Quoted from Dreamscale
It's almost as if some peeps don';t know what comedy even is, which I find hard to fathom.


I don't think that's a fair criticism. You might indeed know what comedy is, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to translate it onto the page. Comedy works different on the page than onscreen. Take a script that's a failed attempt at comedy. I think it's much more likely that the writer doesn't understand how comedy *works* than just flat out doesn't know they're supposed to make people laugh.

Comedy's fucking hard. I think it's a completely different art form from writing, even though the two can intertwine in a number of ways, and I swore off of it for that very reason (and out of respect for the comedians who do it). It's like hip-hop. It's music, but it's more than that, and a non-hip-hop musician would be foolhardy to think he could produce quality hip-hop just because he's a musician too. You listen to comedians in interviews, it's an entirely different way of thinking that goes into it.

For me, it's much, much easier to wrap my head around producing in the vein of Tarantino's work than Louis CK's work.
Posted by: Dustin, April 26th, 2016, 11:59am; Reply: 273
As promised I have tried hard to get into the mindset the writer intended and enjoy what's on offer. I haven't always been able to manage it... but just because I don't like a certain brand of comedy doesn't mean that it isn't comedy. It just doesn't resonate with me.

Every writer that's entered... and I'm completely shocked and surprised (in a good way) at there being 34 entries... deserves a pat on the back for having a go. For trying to make us laugh, keep a smile on our faces, a big thanks from me. This has been the best OWC I've been a part of so far.
Posted by: cbead, April 26th, 2016, 12:24pm; Reply: 274
I've read most of them all now. Will go back and comment on the last remaining few in a day or two.

Have read some interesting scripts and I've seen 3 or 4 stand outs, a couple of  'really out there' scripts, a couple of pissers... The variety has been quite good and being only 6 pages ( well most of them anyway) it hasn't been too hard to read the lot.

For my own script I have been receiving, on the balance, generally favourable comments which is heartening and surprising, for a script which I knew was underdeveloped and roughly edited.

Six months on SS is proving to be a wise investment in time and energy.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 26th, 2016, 12:25pm; Reply: 275
My apologies if my words were misinterpreted.

Comedy doesn't have to work to be comedy, but there has to be an attempt at making the entire script a comedy.  Many of these did not seem to do that, but maybe it's just me.

Dustin, trust me, I wanted to enter this so badly, but was so bummed by the theme of superheroes, there was no way I was going to submit a serious attempt.  As I said, I almost threw together a big old pisser, but plans changed Friday, and I decided it was for the better that I simply stayed out.

34 entries is great and I applaud each and every one...but as usual, it appears like the majority of those writers are not commenting, which sucks ass.
Posted by: Conz, April 26th, 2016, 12:44pm; Reply: 276
were the perameters that this needed to be sidesplittingly funny?  that's usually when people try to write endless dick and fart jokes, or stupid pratfalls... which some obviously have.

the contest was to write a superhero comedy.  that can be interpreted many ways.  "comedy is subjective, blah blah." i know, just saying.
Posted by: irish eyes, April 26th, 2016, 1:41pm; Reply: 277

Quoted Text
Comedy doesn't have to work to be comedy, but there has to be an attempt at making the entire script a comedy.  Many of these did not seem to do that, but maybe it's just me.


It's not just you. Every script didn't have to be side splitting. Comedy itself is broken up into a multitude of genres Alternative, Dark, Deadpan, Spoof and a lot of others but there were at least 7 scripts that didn't attempt anything but depressing dramas.
It doesn't have to be a laugh from start to finish but at least show some attempt in the script to crack a smile.
An email went out before this started given the master list, it also put the 3 went that over to the bottom and  asked to read them if you wanted. Personally I think that is harsh considering some peeps need very little influence not to read  scripts. An email should also have said there are at least 7 scripts that didn't attempt any form of comedy don't read those either considering that was actual premise.
I personally read all 33 out of respect to those who took their time to enter, at the end every script should have 33 reads or less for those 3 that went over.
But we know it doesn't go way...

Ah well that's my rant for today ;D
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 26th, 2016, 2:06pm; Reply: 278

Quoted from irish eyes
Ah well that's my rant for today ;D


Rant agreed with and appreciated!!!

Posted by: James McClung, April 26th, 2016, 2:13pm; Reply: 279
I'll keep my eye out for some of these "dramas." I did read FM, which some people called a drama... even a *good* drama (WTF?). I could see it torn up and rewritten from scratch as a drama, but as is, I found the idea to be a stretch. That's just one script though. No idea what the others are like.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 26th, 2016, 2:35pm; Reply: 280
It has been a good challenge. Difficult to pull off.

I think when you have a topic like superheroes, and a six page limit, you have to get out the block quickly. In a feature you can take much longer - watch Groundhog Day and see how long it is before the big ticket funny scenes cut it.

We pretty much all agree there are various types of comedy. Some we like more than others, personal tastes. Some will be sketches, 'two men walk in a bar, one is a superhero' type scripts, which suits the criteria. Others will go for bigger stories. I would have been interested to see what would have happened if they also had to be low cost and filmable.

I know many don't share this, but when you have a six pager I often think it has to be low budget as you are clearly trying to appeal to low budget producers.

Mine has got the feedback it deserves, and whilst comments vary, I can accept its limitations - it has many. But that was the idea I had in a week, which is really five days max when things are taken into account.

Visual humour can also be difficult to get across on the page. In the UK there was a famous comedy called Fawlty Towers. In this, John Cleese does a German goose march through the bed and break fast he runs because some German guests have turned up. On the page this could come across as the opposite of funny, but in some ways it's one of the most immortal scenes from that brilliant series.

Likewise two men in a bar can be far more dynamic than comes across by the time expressions, intercutting, props etc are included.

All in all this has been a worthy challenge, alas one I didn't excel in.
Posted by: DanC, April 26th, 2016, 2:46pm; Reply: 281

Quoted from James McClung
I've only read a few thus far. Only one genuinely made me laugh. I'm impressed with the variety though. OWC scripts can run a little repetitive depending on the genre/theme. For the most part, I think the writers made a good effort too.

My own script is a complete bust. I blew it with the last rewrite and realized it at the worst possible time: AFTER submitting but BEFORE the scripts were posted. By the time it was up, I was already over it. Whatever. Onward with the other scripts!



Sorry James.  It can be hard to devote so much time to something and then realize it's not gonna work.  

I have finished reading all of the scripts.  There were some good ones, I mean really good ones.  Some not so good, and some WTF did I just read ones.

I think the biggest surprise for me was the lack of comedy or superheroes in the short.  Some were dramas.  Some had barely a superhero at all.

I knew the superhero + comedy + 6 page limit was gonna be very very hard.  I had to basically load a pisser b/c I took everything original out of my story.  It sucked.   Although, some people seemed to like it.  It could have been so much more.  

I'm sure everyone can say the same thing, given the parameters.  I applaud everyone who had the guts to enter this very difficult OWC.  

My fav were:
Johnny come lately
Erection Man
Mother Nature's Joke
Googleman
Flying High Again  
Making the perfect hero
The talk

I liked some others, but, I thought those were the cream of the crop.

But, good job, and remember, today will end, tomorrow starts anew and can be the day that you take that next step with writing.  

Dan
Posted by: khamanna, April 26th, 2016, 2:48pm; Reply: 282
Comedy is a genre. There are different types of comedies within that genre.

Blonde didn't say it has to be funny from beginning to end. He said "comedy". It's either the funny situation or dialog. It could be a romcom or whatever, just fall under a comedy.
That's what the requirement was in my understanding and most (if not all minus two or three - I haven't read them all, can't tell) did fine I think.
Posted by: khamanna, April 26th, 2016, 2:52pm; Reply: 283

Quoted from Reef Dreamer

I know many don't share this, but when you have a six pager I often think it has to be low budget as you are clearly trying to appeal to low budget producers.



I also look for low-budget ones for some reason. I started training myself long time ago and can't stop. Although it's not been a requirement and can't be punishable.

Yeah, mine got the feedback it deserves as well.
Posted by: DanC, April 26th, 2016, 2:53pm; Reply: 284

Quoted from Dustin
As promised I have tried hard to get into the mindset the writer intended and enjoy what's on offer. I haven't always been able to manage it... but just because I don't like a certain brand of comedy doesn't mean that it isn't comedy. It just doesn't resonate with me.

Every writer that's entered... and I'm completely shocked and surprised (in a good way) at there being 34 entries... deserves a pat on the back for having a go. For trying to make us laugh, keep a smile on our faces, a big thanks from me. This has been the best OWC I've been a part of so far.


Who are you and what have you done with our Dustin?  Space Phantoms must have broken through the barrier again.  Or is it the Pod People.  Damn them and their sleep shenanigans.

Seriously, that's nice Dustin.  There were a lot of decent scripts.  Like I have said elsewhere, Superhero genre + comedy + 6 page limit is very freaking hard.  I had to basically cut everything that made mine unique just to fit the page limit.  I hated my entry.  But, some seem to like it.

Dan
Posted by: DanC, April 26th, 2016, 2:55pm; Reply: 285

Quoted from cbead
I've read most of them all now. Will go back and comment on the last remaining few in a day or two.

Have read some interesting scripts and I've seen 3 or 4 stand outs, a couple of  'really out there' scripts, a couple of pissers... The variety has been quite good and being only 6 pages ( well most of them anyway) it hasn't been too hard to read the lot.

For my own script I have been receiving, on the balance, generally favourable comments which is heartening and surprising, for a script which I knew was underdeveloped and roughly edited.

Six months on SS is proving to be a wise investment in time and energy.



I'm glad that you're time on here has been good to you.  I know i've grown a lot too.  The people on here can be tough, very tough, but, it's better to hear it from us then to have your script tossed aside by a producer or anyone with money for the same reason.  

People will challenge you here, which is what each of us needs to get better.  "Yes" people never help you grow.  

If you want me (this goes for anyone) to take a closer look at their script, send me a PM or email and I will do so.

Dan

Posted by: DanC, April 26th, 2016, 3:00pm; Reply: 286

Quoted from irish eyes


It's not just you. Every script didn't have to be side splitting. Comedy itself is broken up into a multitude of genres Alternative, Dark, Deadpan, Spoof and a lot of others but there were at least 7 scripts that didn't attempt anything but depressing dramas.
It doesn't have to be a laugh from start to finish but at least show some attempt in the script to crack a smile.
An email went out before this started given the master list, it also put the 3 went that over to the bottom and  asked to read them if you wanted. Personally I think that is harsh considering some peeps need very little influence not to read  scripts. An email should also have said there are at least 7 scripts that didn't attempt any form of comedy don't read those either considering that was actual premise.
I personally read all 33 out of respect to those who took their time to enter, at the end every script should have 33 reads or less for those 3 that went over.
But we know it doesn't go way...

Ah well that's my rant for today ;D


I agree with every word you said.  I think these "contests" should be open to people who contribute in some way.  It should be mandatory that if you're gonna enter, you have to at least read 75% of the entries.  I know school and life can limit what you can do, and if that is the case, I think they should tell us this.  I don't think anyone would get upset if we know the WHY you didn't read many, if any at all, but, it's like an absentee landlord.  No one likes them.  However, if we find out that our landlord is fighting cancer, well, that changes things.

I have read every story, including the ones that went over.  Once the comments started, they went from the bottom to the top, so, I had no clue which ones were on the "extended page count" list and which weren't.

Again, good luck to all who entered.

Dan
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 26th, 2016, 3:12pm; Reply: 287
It's only Tuesday. Still plenty of time for reading/commenting. I didn't enter but have read a dozen or so. Don't know how many I'll comment on. Maybe ones I like best.
Posted by: grademan, April 26th, 2016, 4:55pm; Reply: 288
Comedy is like pizza. Everyone has a favorite.

I just figured this out: If you click on the "April OWC scripts are up" on the portal page you'll see the OWC entries in order.  And once you're at the list, clicking on the title will take you to the thread directly.
Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 26th, 2016, 4:57pm; Reply: 289
Yeah, I had a lower budget in mind on mine as well.  Mine wasn't funny and leaned more in the Drama direction.  I didn't get it submitted in time, but will throw it in as soon as the voting for these are done.  I started another one on Thursday before the deadline that was going to be funnier (Gas Man - or Gastrointestinal Man) and will finish it and throw it in as well.  Might as well, some of you guys have been getting your short films produced and I made myself a promise to get something made this year, even if it means me filming/producing.

I'm going to read most/all of these as soon as I'm done reviewing Ashlie's TV pilot.  Then, I hope to laugh a little with some of these.  I too am surprised at the number of entries.  Good job everyone!
Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 26th, 2016, 4:59pm; Reply: 290

Quoted from grademan
Comedy is like pizza. Everyone has a favorite.

I just figured this out: If you click on the "April OWC scripts are up" on the portal page you'll see the OWC entries in order.  And once you're at the list, clicking on the title will take you to the thread directly.


Yep, that makes it real easy.  That's how I'm doing it.  No, not that!  See, I'm not funny. ??)
Posted by: stevie, April 26th, 2016, 5:03pm; Reply: 291
As I was just discussing with old mate Jeff, comedy can be a geographical thing too in that certain countries just dont get other countries humour (and its nothing to do with taste either).

A lot of American have huge trouble coming to grips with the British humour. And most American comedies, be it tv or movies are just not funny for some reason.

A good case is 'Friends'. I watched a couple of times and only really laughed at a few of Phoebe's lines. The rest was totally unfunny. Mind you, the cast were very bland actors. I also tried to watch Two and a half Men once to see what all the fuss was about.  Nope - totally unfunny. But I love other US shows like Drew Carey and King Of Queens.

Its all subjective I guess but nothing has ever surpassed UK comedy. Monty Python, The Two Ronnies, etc. And my favorite, Blackadder.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 26th, 2016, 5:11pm; Reply: 292
As I just discussed with my old mate, Stevie, the only funny British comedy i can recall is the classic, Granddaddy of them all...

Benny Hill!!!  Man, my bud and I used to laugh our arses off at that.  Even my Dad used to love it, but every time my Mom "caught" him watching it, she was not happy.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 26th, 2016, 5:18pm; Reply: 293
I work with a Brit.  He had me watch The Two Ronnies - Four Candles/Fork Handles.  Funny stuff there. ;D
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 26th, 2016, 5:25pm; Reply: 294
The four candles/fork handles is the best sketch ever. Doesn't matter where you're from. Simple.
Posted by: Jeremiah Johnson, April 26th, 2016, 6:02pm; Reply: 295
Agreed.  Just watched it again.  In tears every time.
Posted by: eldave1, April 26th, 2016, 9:08pm; Reply: 296
Okay - I am done with all 34.

First - the six-page limitation sure made the review process easier and, at least for me, forced the honing of some writing skills - you really had to get to the point. I tend to over write sometimes and this exercise was great for tackling that skill set.

Second - from my own view and the others I have seen posted - comedy may easily be the most subjective of the genres. Stuff I found funny left others wanting and vice versa.

Third - kudos to all who entered.

I found a total of 3 scripts that I would recommend (no need in saying which ones at this point) and several others that I would grade as consider. A tough challenge indeed.
Posted by: DanC, April 26th, 2016, 11:35pm; Reply: 297

Quoted from IamGlenn
The four candles/fork handles is the best sketch ever. Doesn't matter where you're from. Simple.


Link please.

I agree that humor, especially from across the pond, is quite different.  I do have some experience, like with Monty Python.  I still think "The Holy Grail" is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen, especially the vorpal bunny.  I had just started playing D&D and well, funny stuff.

I did get to watch some Benny Hill, but, the other one was funnier, and I wish I could recall the name.  Dave or David something...  It was many years ago.  Both were half hour shows and one was on after the other.  

I can recall one skit where a guy goes into a confessional to confess his sins, suddenly, the priest comes storming out and pulls the dude from the confessional and starts beating him, then takes off his belt and starts whipping him.  All over because he stole a loaf of bread or something small like that.  Then he looks at the other people waiting in line and says "who's next?"  Needlessly to say, no one went in.

Dan
Posted by: stevie, April 27th, 2016, 12:29am; Reply: 298
That was Dave Allen, Dan. Another great comedian, an Irish one at that lol
Posted by: DanC, April 27th, 2016, 12:40am; Reply: 299

Quoted from stevie
That was Dave Allen, Dan. Another great comedian, an Irish one at that lol


Yep, now I remember, Dave Allen At Large, right?  I used to watch that, but, I was really young and I had to go to bed early those days.  

Funny stuff.

I'm not gonna write a lot.  I'm in a really bad news and I don't know what to do about it...  

Anyways, thanks for those cool memories.

Dan
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 27th, 2016, 1:42am; Reply: 300
Oh, Dave Allen, I liked him.

I rememeber a sketch where two funeral parties, with coffins, race each other to the graveyard. Quality.
Posted by: Dustin, April 27th, 2016, 1:47am; Reply: 301

Quoted from IamGlenn
The four candles/fork handles is the best sketch ever. Doesn't matter where you're from. Simple.


Ronnie Barker was the master of comedy. Ronnie Corbett was great too and died just recently. I first watched that sketch as a kid but it's still good enough to make me laugh today. I know, because I saw it recently.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 27th, 2016, 1:48am; Reply: 302
https://youtu.be/gi_6SaqVQSw

There you are, Dan. I envy you if this is your first time watching it.

https://youtu.be/y0C59pI_ypQ
https://youtu.be/lIaXSBSQ0W0

Also, love these two. Ronnie Corbett really was something else.
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 27th, 2016, 2:26am; Reply: 303
Reading scripts is subjective and comedy is subjective, thus combining the two is very subjective indeed. Iíve found with the comments the Brit members do seem to have taken to my comedy more than those from the other side of the pond so comedy has geographical elements as well. Itís been a hell of a challenge this OWC but I echo Dustinís statement in that itís been one of the most rewarding to read. I give a pat on the back to all those who entered and tried their best to meet the criteria.

I just want to mention something else if I may. The folks who read all the scripts (myself included), especially those who fly through the lot in a short period of time, you can see in their comments they get tired and less patient with scripts as they go along. They want the story and comedy to scream out at them at page 1 by the time theyíve read 20+ scripts! Not having a go, thatís fine Ė we all only have so much time to do this and we are all human. Just imagine then, when you are entering scripts in a competition or sending it off to a production company; this is what you are up against. A bunch of guys who have hundreds, if not thousands of scripts to go through and their patience is gradually running thin, no matter how hard they try to stay objective.

I think itís important to realise this and try to have as much impact in the title, logline and first few pages as you can. I also think itís important to realise if they do pass on it, not to be too disheartened. If that was the first script they read of the day, it may have been a different story. So take heart fellow writers when such things happen, and donít give up.

:-)

-Mark

EDIT - Oh and Fork Handles is comedy genius!
Posted by: Stumpzian, April 27th, 2016, 8:09am; Reply: 304

Quoted from MarkRenshaw

The folks who read all the scripts (myself included), especially those who fly through the lot in a short period of time, you can see in their comments they get tired and less patient with scripts as they go along. They want the story and comedy to scream out at them at page 1 by the time theyíve read 20+ scripts! Not having a go, thatís fine Ė we all only have so much time to do this and we are all human. Just imagine then, when you are entering scripts in a competition or sending it off to a production company; this is what you are up against. A bunch of guys who have hundreds, if not thousands of scripts to go through and their patience is gradually running thin, no matter how hard they try to stay objective.


Excellent point from Mark.

Brit TV humor I've enjoyed (watching in North Carolina):
"A Bit of a Do"
Fitz in "Cracker"
Posted by: StevenClark, April 27th, 2016, 8:16am; Reply: 305
Think I only bailed on two. And I felt bad about it cause I don't like doing that, but from my pov I could see this wasn't going anywhere different than the few pages I did read. And yes it is obvious that people do get bogged down the further in they/we go. But inteally tried to give everyone a fair shake, and although most of my comments were very short and sweet I did read your entire script. Just didn't have time to get into details because of the amount of scripts I read. Kudos to anyone else who read all 34!
Posted by: khamanna, April 27th, 2016, 8:35am; Reply: 306
I'm still shocked that there's 34 entries. Open only to board members - and there's 34?? Everyone bailing on the challenge before it was announced and then it's still 34!
I have no idea how that's possible.

Did anyone submit several?
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 27th, 2016, 9:05am; Reply: 307
Kham - thankfully I only submitted one. Had I realised about the villain option earlier on this may have inspired another.

34 is a cracking turn out under the circumstances

In terms of quality I don't think I'm able to compare with previous OWC's , it's so different. But I would once again comment that there are some really good ideas that with time and feedback could be developed but in the rush haven't quite hit the mark.
Posted by: eldave1, April 27th, 2016, 10:01am; Reply: 308

Quoted from StevenClark
Think I only bailed on two. And I felt bad about it cause I don't like doing that, but from my pov I could see this wasn't going anywhere different than the few pages I did read. And yes it is obvious that people do get bogged down the further in they/we go. But inteally tried to give everyone a fair shake, and although most of my comments were very short and sweet I did read your entire script. Just didn't have time to get into details because of the amount of scripts I read. Kudos to anyone else who read all 34!


It is probably a fair microcosm of how scripts are read by the industry - better catch then quick.
Posted by: DanC, April 27th, 2016, 12:49pm; Reply: 309
I think I bailed on 3 or 4, but, in all fairness, most have bailed on those same.  

I try to read each one.  I try to put the merits of each one in a fair position.  I do agree that if you read a really good, or bad one, the next one is looked at in a different light.  

But, just as we are (hopefully) professional when we write our stories, we should have that same professionalism when we "grade" each others work.  After all, I wouldn't want a harsh no help review.  I know when i go out, I give a pretty detailed reason why.  

Some works were just too drug fueled or avant guard to follow.  I can appreciate "Meshes in the Afternoon" with the best of them, or even "La Jette", but, if it's too abstract, I can't even follow the symbolism.

I do think that's a bit lost today on the youth.  Before technology was capable of making a movie like Avatar, both writers and filmmakers/producers had to rely on cunning to bring a story to life.  Not just pay some nerd a gazillion D and D character sheets.

Oh, I watched the skits.  Some of the humor was lost on me.  I did find all 3 to be funny, but, for me, the third one was by far, the most I have laughed in a while.  Especially the dongs comment.  Very funny.  

Dan
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 28th, 2016, 4:37am; Reply: 310
Just finished the lot, what happens now? Do we get an email address to send votes to or something? Sorry to ask stupid questions but it's my first time doing this so I've no idea.

Also well done on the scripts to everyone. I didn't pullout of any of them (even the couple of absolutely insane ones) and glad for it, a full spectrum of comedy right there.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 28th, 2016, 5:56am; Reply: 311
An Email will come out to the writers who are eligible to vote in a few days, you then submit your picks ;-)
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 28th, 2016, 6:41am; Reply: 312
Brilliant, cheers Anthony!
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 28th, 2016, 7:39am; Reply: 313
finished. I haven't commented on all of them due to various reasons such as repeating what others have said, but I have been through them all.

Been an interesting OWC.

Not sure I could guess a single writer of these.
Posted by: cbead, April 28th, 2016, 9:17am; Reply: 314

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
Not sure I could guess a single writer of these.


I've got a sneaking suspicion which one is mine.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 28th, 2016, 9:54am; Reply: 315
I could guess every one of them!

Now, if those guesses are correct or not... That's the hard part.
Posted by: James McClung, April 28th, 2016, 10:06am; Reply: 316
I know one of the writers because I read their script before they submitted it. Other than that, I stopped guessing writers years ago after SimplyScripts blew up and 30-50 people started entering the OWC. It stopped being fun with so many people involved, and having taken some time away from the site, I don't recognize half the current members' writing styles anyway at this point.
Posted by: khamanna, April 28th, 2016, 3:34pm; Reply: 317
Today one of the writers send me his guess and he was absolutely right! Just one guess... That made me very happy for some reason.

I can't even try guessing any of you.

Johnny might be rendevous'
and that's about it.
Posted by: khamanna, April 28th, 2016, 3:40pm; Reply: 318

Quoted from Reef Dreamer

In terms of quality I don't think I'm able to compare with previous OWC's , it's so different.


I liked this OWC so much better. It was very different. I wouldn't care to read about superheroes but I was having lots of fun with those. And I think I pinned a lot for recommend - many were really good.

The page limit helped too. Maybe even psychologically, but it's good to know that any given script will end on p6. I'm kind of being honest, sorry)
Posted by: Ryan1, April 28th, 2016, 4:19pm; Reply: 319
I think Glenn wrote Supermick, and I know one other author because he told me(but it was pretty obvious anyway.)  Gonna try and get through the rest by tomorrow.
Posted by: stevie, April 28th, 2016, 4:36pm; Reply: 320
Pretty sure Dustin or RV wrote SuperChav. 3 others I know only because the author told me lol.

Another disappointing turnout review wise. Obviously no one is obligated to read them all but the numbers tell the tale once again.

This turned out to be a pretty hard challenge for a few perps with the comedy genre. Most had very good writing and an ok story but just weren't funny. Involving a superhero made it tougher too, so, what on paper looked fairly easy turned out to be a real challenge for quite a few.
Posted by: DanC, April 28th, 2016, 9:47pm; Reply: 321

Quoted from stevie
Pretty sure Dustin or RV wrote SuperChav. 3 others I know only because the author told me lol.

Another disappointing turnout review wise. Obviously no one is obligated to read them all but the numbers tell the tale once again.

This turned out to be a pretty hard challenge for a few perps with the comedy genre. Most had very good writing and an ok story but just weren't funny. Involving a superhero made it tougher too, so, what on paper looked fairly easy turned out to be a real challenge for quite a few.


I actually think it isn't fair to not get the reads.  I mean, one of them had 9 reviews.  That's not right, even if they did go over by 4 lines.

I don't know why people are allowed to submit entry after entry and not do the civil thing?  I mean, if someone is busy (like with school) or has something happen (like with Mark) or even says sorry, I'm really busy right now,  or something, even a 1 line, I read this and their score, but, I think if you submit, you should read at least 50% of them.  

This site is to help others.  Everyone has an opinion.  Anyone can comment.  it doesn't mean it's right or whatever, but, they can at least try.  

I'd rather try and be wrong, LEARN from that lesson, then do nothing at all.

Just my rant, sorry.

Dan

ps, I'm not complaining about my story.  I've had a fair amount of reads, so, this isn't a sour grapes post, and when the names come out, you will see that's true.  I feel bad for some others who put a lot of hard work in and haven't had many comments at all.  
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 28th, 2016, 9:51pm; Reply: 322

Quoted Text
I actually think it isn't fair to not get the reads.  I mean, one of them had 9 reviews.


I really do feel bad for having a go at Equinox now, especially when he's commenting and hasn't even entered...apologies again!!!!
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 28th, 2016, 10:19pm; Reply: 323
It happens every OWC, but much less so now that only board members are allowed to enter. It was crazy for awhile when people promoted it in social media. We'd get a lot of people who entered, but never read one single script.

Some people who read and comment on the scripts and give solid thoughtful reviews often delete their comments from the scripts where the writer didn't read anything.

One time Don put an asterix by scripts entered where the writers were participating in reading. I thought that was extremely helpful. Wish that feature was back, but perhaps it takes up a lot of time on Don's part.

I will try to read some on Sunday. Until then, I'm just swamped with all kinds of stuff. Good stuff! So I want to enjoy it too.  :)
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 29th, 2016, 4:09am; Reply: 324

Quoted from Ryan
I think Glenn wrote Supermick


I wish!  ::)
Posted by: Dustin, April 29th, 2016, 5:23am; Reply: 325

Quoted from stevie
Pretty sure Dustin or RV wrote SuperChav.


I figured Ren for that, or one of the lesser posting Brits that visit here. Mine didn't go down so well this OWC.
Posted by: Equinox, April 29th, 2016, 5:23am; Reply: 326

Quoted from Cam Gray


I really do feel bad for having a go at Equinox now, especially when he's commenting and hasn't even entered...apologies again!!!!


I did enter and it seems like I missed you having a 'go' at me. I'm just quite busy at the moment. Been doing last minute rewrites of one of my shorts in the last few days, because the director is going to start shooting it today and we had come up with some more ideas for the story. That in combination with traveling 300km (two way) to visit one of my customers in Stuttgart. That's why I tried to read as many as possible at the start because I knew I'd be short on time later on. So sorry, if anybody thinks I didn't read enough. Got like 20 I think.

Edit: Just checked it, read and commented 16 here and read another one before the OWC, so I didn't comment it. Hopefully I can read a few more this weekend.
Posted by: Dustin, April 29th, 2016, 5:32am; Reply: 327

Quoted from IamGlenn


I wish!  ::)


I thought this may have been you... but there are a couple of good writers, like Stevie, that are possibles too.

I don't know any of them for sure though, and that's how I prefer it. I'd rather be completely honest. If I know who wrote it, then that will affect how I respond. It's only natural.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 29th, 2016, 5:34am; Reply: 328
actually, one guess. I thought Animal Magic may be Dustin - had a dark twist which felt familiar  :K)

in several past OWC's i have guessed Ryan only to find out he never entered, so best not try that one again.

Posted by: Dustin, April 29th, 2016, 5:37am; Reply: 329

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
actually, one guess. I thought Animal Magic may be Dustin - had a dark twist which felt familiar  :K)


I've got Anthony Cawood down for that one... or, it could be you. I hadn't considered this could be yours until now.
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 29th, 2016, 6:07am; Reply: 330

Quoted from Dustin


I thought this may have been you... but there are a couple of good writers, like Stevie, that are possibles too.

I don't know any of them for sure though, and that's how I prefer it. I'd rather be completely honest. If I know who wrote it, then that will affect how I respond. It's only natural.


True, that. After all, that's why we keep ourselves anonymous as part of the challenge. It forces people to give a more honest opinion.

My one has done pretty well this time around. Probably the best feedback I've received from any OWC. I already have changes in place for when I do another draft. It's definitely one I want to stick with, and there could be a market for it out there.

Anyway, I've a few more left to read. I've really enjoyed this challenge, some great entries. Congrats to all, and a massive thank you to all the readers who have given feedback. Y'all're t'best!



Posted by: Cam Gray, April 29th, 2016, 6:39am; Reply: 331

Quoted Text
I did enter and it seems like I missed you having a 'go' at me


For the love of god, this hasn't been a good day, let's just put it down to newborn baby and sleep deprivation. I was reading one of your reviews but was having a go at Dreamscale, got your names confused. For the record though:
1. I haven't any beef with dreamscale, he was in the right.
2. I haven't any beef with you Equinox, you actually gave me a really good review so definitely no beef there
3. Much like a vegan butcher I haven't acruelly got any beef, full stop.

Right I think I've embarrassed myself enough for one day, where's my bed..
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 29th, 2016, 6:45am; Reply: 332

Quoted from Cam Gray


For the love of god, this hasn't been a good day, let's just put it down to newborn baby and sleep deprivation. I was reading one of your reviews but was having a go at Dreamscale, got your names confused. For the record though:
1. I haven't any beef with dreamscale, he was in the right.
2. I haven't any beef with you Equinox, you actually gave me a really good review so definitely no beef there


And now you're having a go at beef - disgraceful, poor cows.

:D :D :D
Posted by: irish eyes, April 29th, 2016, 6:51am; Reply: 333
I was sure Glenn wrote SuperMick. Anybody that can describe a small town in County Mayo has to be from the old country and it wasn't me.
So maybe someone that has visited a few times, my powers of deduction tell me.... JAMES!
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 29th, 2016, 6:58am; Reply: 334

Quoted Text
And now you're having a go at beef - disgraceful, poor cows


ARGHHHH! Face palm,  face palm,  face palm...I'll make it up to my bovine friends at attend a butcherie tomorrow, I'm sure it's what they'd want. Seriously though, I ain't got no beef physically or metaphorically, just bacon.

Now zzzzzz
Posted by: DanC, April 29th, 2016, 10:10am; Reply: 335
I think people will be surprised at what I wrote.  I kinda went outside my comfort zone.  By a lot.

This has been an interesting OWC.  I hope we can do superheroes again one day, but, have it done right (more then a 6 page limit).

Dan
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 29th, 2016, 10:21am; Reply: 336

Quoted from DanC
I hope we can do superheroes again one day...


NO!!  Please, no.  No more superheroes...unless of course, we're referring to the awesome song and vid by Edguy.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Posted by: DanC, April 29th, 2016, 10:36am; Reply: 337

Quoted from Dreamscale


NO!!  Please, no.  No more superheroes...unless of course, we're referring to the awesome song and vid by Edguy.   ;D ;D ;D ;D



I didn't know you like them.  I have one song from them that's pretty good.  Do you like that kind of metal?  I love that power metal with guys that can really sing.  Wow, that's cool!!

Dan
Posted by: James McClung, April 29th, 2016, 10:42am; Reply: 338
Jeff, for hating this challenge so much, I'm near-flabbergasted at your review of my script. Sooooo much better than I was expecting. I pretty much took a mediocre script and ruined the ending with the final draft so it made no sense. On top of that, I haven't written a short in two years, so I'm rusty, but I have been experimenting since then with precisely the kind of writing you hate (unfilmables, asides, etc.). This was the perfect storm yet apparently not the worst script you read in this OWC. I continue to be at a loss of what makes you tick.
Posted by: DanC, April 29th, 2016, 10:44am; Reply: 339

Quoted from James McClung
Jeff, for hating this challenge so much, I'm near-flabbergasted at your review of my script. Sooooo much better than I was expecting. I pretty much took a mediocre script and ruined the ending with the final draft so it made no sense. On top of that, I haven't written a short in two years, so I'm rusty, but I have been experimenting since then with precisely the kind of writing you hate (unfilmables, asides, etc.). This was the perfect storm yet apparently not the worst script you read in this OWC. I continue to be at a loss of what makes you tick.




He liked mine too.  I was pretty happy.  Did I like yours James?  You can PM me and I'll read it again and give you a deeper breakdown.

Dan
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 29th, 2016, 10:48am; Reply: 340
Jeff didn't hate on mine either.. Weird.
Posted by: James McClung, April 29th, 2016, 11:01am; Reply: 341
He definitely hated on mine. I'm just surprised he didn't hate on it more. Frankly, I think it deserved more hate. I don't read Jeff's reviews the way I read others though. I'll take what I can get.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 29th, 2016, 12:09pm; Reply: 342

Quoted from DanC
I didn't know you like them.  I have one song from them that's pretty good.  Do you like that kind of metal?  I love that power metal with guys that can really sing.  Wow, that's cool!!


Yes, my fave genre of music is European melodic metal.  Fave is probably Avantasia, which is basically Tobias Sammett's (Edguy lead vocalist) all star metal operas.

Posted by: Dreamscale, April 29th, 2016, 12:10pm; Reply: 343
well I'm glad I didn't hate on everybody's script.  In fact, I think I actually praised a few...and read a bunch from start to finish, although most were out within a couple pages.

I think I've read them all now, so if I missed anyone and they give a shit hat I have to say, let me know.
Posted by: James McClung, April 29th, 2016, 12:14pm; Reply: 344

Quoted from DanC
I love that power metal with guys that can really sing.



Quoted from Dreamscale
My fave genre of music is European melodic metal.


Black and doom metal > everything else. :)
Posted by: DanC, April 29th, 2016, 12:27pm; Reply: 345

Quoted from James McClung




Black and doom metal > everything else. :)



The problem with those  forms of metal (IMO of course) is their lack of ability to sing.  I don't care for growling vocals.  I'm from Buffalo and a really popular group in that genre is Cannibal Corpse and I just can't stand the vocals.  I do like Satricon's song KING.  That was a fun song.

And Scar Symmetry is (was???) one of the few bands that we'd both like b/c they have both clean and scream vocals.

Also, Into Eternity is pretty good too.  It isn't easy to find clean and scream/growling vocals in the same group.  I guess early Within Temptation (one of my fav bands), After Forever, and a few other bands from that genre when it was still evolving.  I think even Nightwish had some scream vocals.

Dan
Posted by: James McClung, April 29th, 2016, 12:33pm; Reply: 346
I love harsh vocals so I'm perfectly at home with most extreme metal genres. Not a fan of Cannibal though. One of the most boring, redundant bands out there.

Doom metal is full of great singers though. See Candlemass, Pagan Altar, Reverend Bizarre, etc. Black metal has Primordial, I guess, although I think they do their own thing and don't really fit any subgenre.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 29th, 2016, 12:37pm; Reply: 347
Moving slightly off-topic here, guys. Friendly reminder.
Posted by: James McClung, April 29th, 2016, 12:39pm; Reply: 348
Sorry, dude. Just taking a moment to geek out. Back to your regularly scheduled programming...
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 29th, 2016, 12:48pm; Reply: 349
No problem. Just had been about 7-8 posts in a row. Didn't want it to go into double-digit territory.
Posted by: cbead, April 29th, 2016, 12:54pm; Reply: 350
On topic, I was waiting with nervous anticipation for Dreamscale to review my script. It was going to be a barometer of sorts, if it got read through or dropped after a couple of pages.

Anyhoo, it received some robust critique (all justified) but was read in it's entirety... I must say I was rather chuffed :-)
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 29th, 2016, 2:41pm; Reply: 351

Quoted from cbead
On topic, I was waiting with nervous anticipation for Dreamscale to review my script. It was going to be a barometer of sorts, if it got read through or dropped after a couple of pages.

Anyhoo, it received some robust critique (all justified) but was read in it's entirety... I must say I was rather chuffed :-)


Is "chuffed" good or bad?   ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 29th, 2016, 5:08pm; Reply: 352
oh, to be chuffed...

For you Jeff, it will mean good.

commonly known as a northern english phrase, one i love

However, Mr bead appears to be appear to be from a land down under. Cool,

To Mr Bead - that is the lot of an OWC - namely one big rollercoaster . i hope you have enjoyed it. My first was hell. My second was better.



Posted by: Ryan1, April 29th, 2016, 5:18pm; Reply: 353

Quoted Text
April 29th at 5:00PM EST - Names and writer's choice revealed.


So I'm guessing the name reveal has been pushed back a few days.  Any word on when the voting email will go out?
Posted by: Dustin, April 29th, 2016, 5:30pm; Reply: 354
We have to give some time for the scripts to be read. Reading three per day would take approximately 11 days.
Posted by: khamanna, April 29th, 2016, 5:42pm; Reply: 355
I don't think I'll read any more of these. Everything's been already said - if it's a good entry - many said so. If the entry doesn't work - many said so, why would I read and nod to others... Anyway, I think when it reaches 15 or so reads - that's enough.
So I won't read.
Posted by: James McClung, April 29th, 2016, 5:53pm; Reply: 356
I'm about 6-7 short of reading them all, not including the scripts that went over. Decided I'll check those out when the names are announced if I happen to owe any return reads. Either way, at this point, why not finish? I've read about 2-3 scripts per day. I could use the extra time.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 29th, 2016, 6:11pm; Reply: 357
Yeah, I think I was on cruise control when I wrote that. The way it normally works is that the first week is used to read scripts. Week 2 is for the votes to go out & people to guess who wrote what and at the end of the second week, the writers and readers' favorite are revealed.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 29th, 2016, 6:27pm; Reply: 358
I think Stevie wrote a pisser.   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: StevenClark, April 29th, 2016, 7:27pm; Reply: 359
Think it might be a disservice to the writers, not to mention yourself, if you decide to just say - Oh well, no need to read anymore. There could be something in there you missed, a gem perhaps. Everyone has their own tastes, as my script went half and half among those who read. Personally, I'll be damned if I let someone else make up my mind for me as to what's good and what's not. I try not to read any comments prior to reading a script because I don't need the influence. And even if I take a peek here and there and it's negative, I read anyway because that writer wants me and you to read. It's only fair. Even the ones that went over got reads from me. May not have voted for them for that reason, and if they were good I would have said so.

Well, there's my rant!

Steve
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 30th, 2016, 12:29am; Reply: 360

Quoted from StevenClark
Think it might be a disservice to the writers, not to mention yourself, if you decide to just say - Oh well, no need to read anymore. There could be something in there you missed, a gem perhaps. Everyone has their own tastes, as my script went half and half among those who read. Personally, I'll be damned if I let someone else make up my mind for me as to what's good and what's not. I try not to read any comments prior to reading a script because I don't need the influence. And even if I take a peek here and there and it's negative, I read anyway because that writer wants me and you to read. It's only fair. Even the ones that went over got reads from me. May not have voted for them for that reason, and if they were good I would have said so.

Well, there's my rant!


Well put...and I assume this is intended for a chick who never reads more than a few OWC's, but usually gets a ton of reads, even though her entries are almost always pure shit.

I agree 100%...PITIFUL, as always.  This chica has never read more than half of the entries, but always seems to think that's cool.

It's not...it's BS, and I wish I knew which of the pathetic entries was hers, and I'd blow it off, just like she does for most of the writers who submit. and read and review so many entries.

FUCKING WEAK, as always, you know who!!!!!!  
Posted by: cbead, April 30th, 2016, 1:34am; Reply: 361

Quoted from khamanna
I don't think I'll read any more of these. Everything's been already said - if it's a good entry - many said so. If the entry doesn't work - many said so, why would I read and nod to others... Anyway, I think when it reaches 15 or so reads - that's enough.
So I won't read.


Just wondering, how do you vote if you haven't read them all?... I've commented on most, but have certainly read them all and have my little piece of paper next to me with my R,C and P alongside the script titles.

If you haven't placed and an entry and aren't voting, well then kudos for all the reads and the replies that you have done. But I reckon if someone enters the challenge and are voting then they should at least read all entries. Otherwise your voting will be skewed and unbalanced.

Posted by: khamanna, April 30th, 2016, 3:40am; Reply: 362

Quoted from cbead


Just wondering, how do you vote if you haven't read them all?... I've commented on most, but have certainly read them all and have my little piece of paper next to me with my R,C and P alongside the script titles.

If you haven't placed and an entry and aren't voting, well then kudos for all the reads and the replies that you have done. But I reckon if someone enters the challenge and are voting then they should at least read all entries. Otherwise your voting will be skewed and unbalanced.



Yet, many don't have the time to read them all and vote. And the best rise to the top. I've been surprised myself at first when I saw that many didn't read all the entries. I read all in the past - but see if you read all it's important you don't skim through them or stop on the first pages. And reading all like that (and I do mean reading - from first page to last, and not skimming) is very hard and might take the fun out of it. And this is supposed to be a fun challenge.

I checked out the loglines and there are found two I want to check out. I'm taking it easy. But in my deffence - I'm reading them in full and paying attention to what I read. And sometimes reread...

You'll start doing this in time - I'm sure of that. Just wait and see)

Posted by: khamanna, April 30th, 2016, 3:43am; Reply: 363

Quoted from StevenClark
I try not to read any comments prior to reading a script because I don't need the influence. And even if I take a peek here and there and it's negative, I read anyway because that writer wants me and you to read. It's only fair.

Steve


I don't read the comments before reading the script, often I don't read them at all. I might have misspoke there.

I'm saying that even if I'm not reading the comments - usually my thoughts of the entry are the same.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, April 30th, 2016, 5:20am; Reply: 364
All right, guys. Let's not turn this into something personal. You shouldn't be bashing people in the public thread, anyway, because it never makes the person you're bashing look bad. It's just for fun, I don't know why we can't just laugh, appreciate that people will read what they can or choose to do and leave it at that. If someone didn't read a script, that person could always send them a PM, asking them to. There are always more civilized ways to handle these things and this is not it.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 30th, 2016, 5:47am; Reply: 365
This little spat seems to happen in most OWCs, maybe we should just establish a thread for it in advance?

Would keep this thread clean from muck flinging ;-)
Posted by: khamanna, April 30th, 2016, 6:23am; Reply: 366

Quoted from AnthonyCawood
This little spat seems to happen in most OWCs, maybe we should just establish a thread for it in advance?

Would keep this thread clean from muck flinging ;-)


Or we could ask the person who causes the stir most of the time to keep quiet. Maybe even do that beforehand or something.

Posted by: Angry Bear, April 30th, 2016, 6:39am; Reply: 367

Quoted from cbead

I reckon if someone enters the challenge and are voting then they should at least read all entries. Otherwise your voting will be skewed and unbalanced.

No one has ever said, throughout the history of the OWC and we're talking 10+ years, that everyone entering has to read every single script. Ever! Don used to say in his email that you should try to read at least three. Most people however, feel that reading all of them is their duty.

I agree with Khamanna. It's better to get thoughtful helpful reviews by fewer people that read the entire script and offered not just comments, but suggestions as well, rather than just "this didn't work for me or this was good". Tell the writer why it didn't work and offer up a suggestion or two on how to make it better. I would rather have ten of those reviews than thirty short comments that say it worked or didn't.

I'll try to read another one or two this afternoon since company is leaving.  :)
Posted by: eldave1, April 30th, 2016, 9:51am; Reply: 368
This isn't the Nicholls fellowship or the Austin Film Festival. It's the OWC. In my view, the "C" (challenge) has always referred to the challenge of WRITING a script in a week. It's a challenge in exercising one's writing chops and towards that end, everyone who completed a script has succeeded in meeting the challenge.

The reads are just icing on the cake. They may help a writer improve a script or help a reviewer learn some things about script writing. It really isn't any different than all of the other scripts posted here on a daily basis.

I have been lucky enough to have had the time to read almost all of the scripts in all of the OWC's I entered. However, I'm retired with no children living at home - I don't suspect that all writers have the luxury of sitting on the ass for eight hours reading. If you can read all great. If you can read one - that's one read that could provide valuable info to a writer.  IMO, rather than having a separate thread on who reviews and who doesn't review, we're better off just nuking the topic altogether.

Final note - I still think it is better to be constructive rather than shitty when making comments on scripts - but that is my philosophy on all script reviews - not just OWC entries,

Posted by: Dustin, April 30th, 2016, 10:10am; Reply: 369
I think things have been a little unfair to Khamanna in this thread. She's almost always read my script and I wouldn't mind if she did miss it. She's a regular member with regular input and shouldn't be obligated to provide any more than she already does.
Posted by: James McClung, April 30th, 2016, 10:16am; Reply: 370
Not everyone is going to read every single script every time. The reasons can range from they're busy and don't have the time to they're lazy and simply can't be bothered and all reasons in between. It might be shitty, but I'd let it go. It's a fucking message board.

Maybe it's just me, but over the years, I've felt a push amongst some members to take the myriad of unwritten rules of thumb initially based on courtesy and common sense and turn them into concrete, enforceable rules... or at least make them official enough to conduct witch hunts. It's nonsense, especially since as unwritten rules of thumbs, they've worked out great. The instances of people not reading scripts/returning reads are sooo low in comparison to the boards at large. It's ultimately on you whether or not you read all the scripts or whatever, but even so, we've got a good thing here. Why not enjoy it instead of fretting about how it's not airtight?
Posted by: khamanna, April 30th, 2016, 10:34am; Reply: 371
Thank you, Dustin.

I actually did read 22 entries this time and usually its been more.

Its okay, all) I dont hold a grudge or anything) Everyone's been professional (but one) - and that's important. Opinions matter after all and it's their opinion.
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 30th, 2016, 11:49am; Reply: 372

Quoted from khamanna
I actually did read 22 entries this time and usually its been more.

Its okay, all) I dont hold a grudge or anything) Everyone's been professional (but one) - and that's important. Opinions matter after all and it's their opinion.


All I can say is BS!  You do not usually read moire than 22 entries...maybe even never.  Really?  Pathetic and weak.

And to think your comments are in depth and helpful?  Total joke!!  Step into reality, please.

Posted by: DanC, April 30th, 2016, 11:56am; Reply: 373
I don't think that everyone should read every script.  However, I do think that if you are gonna write and enter and want your script read (and voted on) that you should be willing to also jump in and help with that process for the other scripts.

Khamanna read 22 stories.  That's cool.  I think a fair amount is somewhere around half of them.  That way, if there are 30 entries, having 15 unique comments is fair.  

What I wish is that if you take the time to read the story, drop a little note on that page.  Hi, read the story, and I liked (or didn't like), give a reason or 2, or check out the comments and see if you agree with the others and just say I agree with the others.

I don't think anyone expects a book back in detail why their story worked or failed.  

I know if I even see a new review with a "I read it, but, it wasn't for me, I didn't care for the humor"  I can live with that.  At least someone read it and felt something, even if that feeling was to run to the porcelain god and barf at how bad it was.

I kinda submitted a pisser mostly because I had too big of an idea for 6 pages.  When this is done, I plan to write it the correct way because i think the story can have merit.  I think the idea is sound and funny.  I just need better execution and more pages.

Hey, Jeff liked it, so, that's a first.  Pretty happy.  Others liked it too.  I thought for sure I'd get slammed b/c it was so bad.  Just so unfocused with trying to put in so much.  And the funny part, the stuff people complained about was exactly what I had to cut.  The original was 13 pages, so, I had to cut half the story.  

If others were in the same boat as me, just not enough pages, then don't fret on the bad reviews that were on things that the real length won't have in it.  I know a few people and what they wrote, and I can tell you all that the real versions, without the page limit, would have been much better.

I wish for the next OWC that the page limit isn't so bad.  Yes, it's an easier read for us, but, there is just no time for development.  Or do a OWC with such a restrictive page limit with a much narrower idea in mind, like the elevator one.  Low to no budget, in a structure with an elevator.  Very narrow premise with a low page count.  

Just my 2 cents.
Dan
Posted by: khamanna, April 30th, 2016, 11:59am; Reply: 374
Hey you, I read all most of the times in the past when you haven't even with an entry in. What is worse you actually say that you stop after the first page - to bring a writer down. What kind of a clown are you?

You just like the fact that Don is extremely busy - and thats why you decided to start again. Leave me alone please. It's very sad to me that some may buy your act. Yet again that all see through you in time
Posted by: Dreamscale, April 30th, 2016, 12:15pm; Reply: 375

Quoted from khamanna
Hey you, I read all most of the times in the past when you haven't even with an entry in. What is worse you actually say that you stop after the first page - to bring a writer down. What kind of a clown are you?

You just like the fact that Don is extremely busy - and thats why you decided to start again. Leave me alone please. It's very sad to me that some may buy your act. Yet again that all see through you in time


Right...

Posted by: PrussianMosby, April 30th, 2016, 12:47pm; Reply: 376

Quoted from DanC
I know a few people and what they wrote, and I can tell you all that the real versions, without the page limit, would have been much better. Dan

Thanks for sharing. It's always good to know about the open script swapping, with some probably slimy reviews then in process. Really love it being sure about that fact, every time I'm on my good old jumping in the shark tank approach. Thanks again.
Posted by: DanC, April 30th, 2016, 1:14pm; Reply: 377

Quoted from PrussianMosby

Thanks for sharing. It's always good to know about the open script swapping, with some probably slimy reviews then in process. Really love it being sure about that fact, every time I'm on my good old jumping in the shark tank approach. Thanks again.


Sorry, not sure I understood anything you wrote.  I merely meant that a shortened version of a story won't be as good as any version without a page limit.

Most of the stuff that people hated about my story would be taken care of if  I can write it in more then 6 pages.

Oh, if you meant that I knew what people wrote before I read it, sorry, not true.  I didn't know what anyone wrote until people started talking and PMing each other.  When I started the OWC script reading, I knew my story and one other.  That's it.  And honestly, I forgot the name of my script.  Yep, I felt dumb.  Or high....

Dan
Posted by: Dustin, April 30th, 2016, 1:39pm; Reply: 378
For what it's worth, I never respond to fishing type emails or private messages. I prefer to know what people genuinely think, rather than what they think because they know I wrote it.

All of that aside, my real goal is to write a script that is likely to be produced outside of the OWC. Everything else is just bullshit.
Posted by: irish eyes, April 30th, 2016, 2:56pm; Reply: 379
Oh boy, so peeps are bitching about who is reading and who is not reading and how many you should read, well this has been biting me for a week... SO FUCK IT


I don't usually call myself out on the OWC I've doing this too long, but I'm so fucking livid right at the way this is going.

I wrote Super Singles...
I'm incredibly pissed at the lack of reads and i'm even more pissed at how it was presented in the email.
I have never in the history of the OWC read in an email that I did not have to read any particular script. But just to make sure  the 3 that went over got separated  from the rest and mine was bottom due to alphabetical order. Now I know it was't the intention of Don but the consequences showed...most of you avoided like the fucking plague.

I joined this site 6years ago and was told that OWC was the way to go, you read plenty of scripts and many will read yours after we're all story tellers right? I mean isn't that the main part of screenwriting.
This site was set up to help writers. Every OWC has parameters and they've been broken over and over for many years on this one,  some scripts had no comedy, some scripts even had no superheroes but yet they weren't singled out, you all went ahead  and commented
I made an effort to write my script just like everyone else and up until friday night I had 6 pages, then I did a quick change and actually thought I deleted more than I added and so I posted it... turns out I went 6 FUCKING LINES over, the other 2 that Don Labelled went 2 pages over and they still have more reads than me.
That's right, how many of you actually know I only went 6 lines over? But that's all you needed.
6 1/4 pages... not 7 as stated.

I've also read all 33 scripts out of respect and this is what is eating me right now.
So SS members have taken it upon themselves to disrespect my script because of an email and because you like to follow the crowd... I really don't care if everyone hates it... the least you could have done was leave a comment.
I noticed people saying they read them all but yet I don't have a comment on my script. I guess they're too good to help me out with their comment.

It's got so bad that DanC left a sympathy review on my script pleading for peeps to read it without me asking.
How is it that peeps can see my script with 8 reviews and everything around have 17 or 21 reviews and not feel like they should comment?  So i guess the 6 lines over was enough to deter... oops I broke a parameter, I have comedy and Superheroes 2/3 I guess.

I would like to thank the 9  reviews I did get who didn't didn't jump on the bandwagon... Steve, Stevie,Jeff, Cammy, DanC,Bill, Mark R, Pia and Dustin.

And there's me thinking these were FUN challenges.
Well as we're separated from the rest, apparently we must have our own contest. Because we're not good enough... so my votes are :

1. Super Singles
2. Holding out for
3. INksport

Hopefully I'll get a mug

Rant Fucking Over
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, April 30th, 2016, 3:18pm; Reply: 380
Sorry to hear that mark.

I enjoyed your script and agree that it should have more reads. Sorry I didn't know it was so behind, if I got the email, I didn't read it.


Posted by: Cam Gray, April 30th, 2016, 3:20pm; Reply: 381
No worries Irish Eyes, sorry you're pissed at the whole thing. My first challenge so can't really comment, just to clarify though are you voting for your own script??? Is that allowed?
Posted by: Dustin, April 30th, 2016, 3:24pm; Reply: 382
My logic in leaving the longer ones till the end was that they would take longer to read. Going half a page over should never deter anyone though. Technically 6.5 pages is still 6 pages. How many reads did the 8 page one get? I can't remember which script it was. That's why I have to put a rec or consider in each thread. So when voting time comes, I follow each link and look for my comment. Last OWC I forgot which scripts were meant to be rec'd, so very few were. Sorry about that, but I'm sure the right person won anyway.
Posted by: khamanna, April 30th, 2016, 3:25pm; Reply: 383
That ought to hurt, Mark) sorry this happened. For what its worth I was going to read it next) and thats the truth. I'll do it tomorrow - its night here in Azerbaijan.  And not out of sympathy or anything - I was really going to.
Posted by: Dustin, April 30th, 2016, 3:46pm; Reply: 384

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
Sorry to hear that mark.

I enjoyed your script and agree that it should have more reads. Sorry I didn't know it was so behind, if I got the email, I didn't read it.




I didn't get the email either. Unless it was the one where in the title it says 'your script is blah, blah' as I rarely open those. It says it all in the title. I'll have to start opening them now.
Posted by: irish eyes, April 30th, 2016, 3:52pm; Reply: 385

Quoted from Bill
Sorry to hear that mark.

I enjoyed your script and agree that it should have more reads. Sorry I didn't know it was so behind, if I got the email, I didn't read it.


It's ok Bill, you read it and I really appreciate that. The email shows  my script on the bottom and a dividing line with 2 other scripts that went a few pages over... All the SS members have to do is look and voila! It's on the bottom, so screw that!
I'm glad you enjoyed, actually the majority of who did read it  enjoyed it... ah well[/quote]


Quoted from Cammy
No worries Irish Eyes, sorry you're pissed at the whole thing. My first challenge so can't really comment, just to clarify though are you voting for your own script??? Is that allowed?


Hi Cammy, A big thumbs up to you buddy. Fair play for getting your hands dirty, entering, reading and commenting that's the way and you have mucho respecto in my department.
Yes you can vote for your own... will I? No.  
Even though Im fucking pissed I still have to much respect for those that entered.


Quoted from Dustin
My logic in leaving the longer ones till the end was that they would take longer to read. Going half a page over should never deter anyone though. Technically 6.5 pages is still 6 pages. How many reads did the 8 page one get? I can't remember which script it was.

Exactly Dustin. A few peeps even pointed that they didn't know I went over until I mentioned it.
The other 2... one has 13 and the other has 15 as of now

[quote=Khamanna] That ought to hurt, Mark) sorry this happened. For what its worth I was going to read it next) and thats the truth. I'll do it tomorrow - its night here in Azerbaijan.  And not out of sympathy or anything - I was really going to.


Yeah it's a little shitty...
Thank you Khamanna
Posted by: irish eyes, April 30th, 2016, 3:55pm; Reply: 386
This was the email :

Hi Folks!

The OWC scripts are up. There were 34 entries.  Three exceeded the page count.  I posted them anyway, however, in the master list they are listed last, so you can decide if you wish to read them or not.



I'm not bashing Don by any means, but I personally think this was a poor judgement
Posted by: IamGlenn, April 30th, 2016, 4:00pm; Reply: 387
I've still got 7 to read I think, including the 3 that went over the limit. The reason I haven't gotten round to them yet is simply because I'm starting from the top of the master thread going down, and these three are at the bottom.

Sorry you feel that way, Mark. It is pretty shitty.
Posted by: stevie, April 30th, 2016, 4:23pm; Reply: 388
I really think the anon thing has reached its use by date. It achieves absolutely nothing!
Posted by: Dustin, April 30th, 2016, 4:37pm; Reply: 389

Quoted from stevie
I really think the anon thing has reached its use by date. It achieves absolutely nothing!


Being anonymous is not mandatory. You can use your real name if you like.
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 30th, 2016, 4:41pm; Reply: 390
Lol, fair play Mark, still the option to vote for your own script...I'm going to have to try really hard to not behave like a massive bellend and do that!
Posted by: Angry Bear, April 30th, 2016, 4:42pm; Reply: 391
The voting program knows which one you wrote. If you vote for your own, it will just be voided.
Posted by: Cam Gray, April 30th, 2016, 4:47pm; Reply: 392
Haha thanks Angry Bear, faith restored!
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, April 30th, 2016, 5:00pm; Reply: 393
I try to (and I think I have) read and reviewed every script in every OWC I've taken part in. Not coz I have loads of time as I don't, but because I personally think I should. But that's my choice, everyone else can do what they want.  Sometimes I find it's just better to take care of my own side of the street.

;-)
Posted by: stevie, April 30th, 2016, 5:41pm; Reply: 394

Quoted from Dustin


Being anonymous is not mandatory. You can use your real name if you like.


Ah, I didn't realise that. A few years back we didn't have the anon thing and the sky never fell lol.

Getting back to Mark's rant...i hear what he's saying and I felt bad about it so I reviewed his script after he explained why he went over the limit ( the Liverpool factor swayed me, you know, Beatles and shit lol). But I spent an hour when I had finished writing my script getting rid of the half page that disqualified it( in my mind). My fastidiousness makes me horrified that I would dis the criteria by not keeping to the 6 pages (again, that's just me, you know, OCD and shit...lol)

Anyway, despite all the discussion in the last few pages, the glaring evidence of non-reads is till there for all to see!

If 34 people entered scripts, then why doesn't at least one of the threads have 34 reviews? No one has to read all of them for this to happen but it rarely does.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, April 30th, 2016, 6:04pm; Reply: 395
I entered, as always.

It's not my genre AT ALL, neither super heroes or comedy are where I normally play or would consider playing., and I almost didn't enter...

But hey, this is an OWC, this is fun right, stretching ourselves, trying different shit?

I've read everything, other than the 3 long ones and i won't read them until after voting as I don't want to colour my opinions going into the vote.

I didn't do this to be a dick, most people know that's not my style, merely becuase this challenge seemed to have a fairly clear page cut off that was actually debated in the thread... Agree keeping it under six was difficult but surely that's where the challenge bit comes in?

Irish, appreciate your frustration and see above, will read it, wasn't been an arse!

I have read every script in every OWC i've been part of, apart from the long 3 in this one, because it's good manners, isn't it? Surely we owe it to our fellow writers to support them and read/comment?

Personally I attribute a significant proportion of my (limited) success to SS and STS, so I try and pay it back, does anyone not entering the OWC not feel the same?

So I genuinely don't undertsand what's so hard about reaading and commenting, and I don't understand why this cannot be done in an encouraging and positive way.

Sorry to say... Shit's getting old!

  
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Posted by: stevie, April 30th, 2016, 6:14pm; Reply: 396
Great post Ant!

The 6 page scripts made reading and reviewing a bloody breeze for the challenge! I sat down at the computer and went through them all in about an hour, writing down the titles and the score for laughs on a piece of paper. Piece of piss!
Posted by: khamanna, May 2nd, 2016, 2:58am; Reply: 397
A Wasp in a Nursing HOme - Darren?
Posted by: Equinox, May 2nd, 2016, 5:38am; Reply: 398
Is the mail with the voting site out yet?
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, May 2nd, 2016, 5:46am; Reply: 399

Quoted from Equinox
Is the mail with the voting site out yet?


i haven't had one yet
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, May 2nd, 2016, 9:22am; Reply: 400
I'm not going to speak for Don, but I would guess it'll be some time in the coming days.
Posted by: DanC, May 2nd, 2016, 11:07am; Reply: 401

Quoted from Mr. Blonde
I'm not going to speak for Don, but I would guess it'll be some time in the coming days.


I'd like to propose a slight rules change that would stop scripts like Super Singles for being unfairly lumped in with the scripts that were clearly too long.

Does 6 pages mean up to 6, or is 6.5 pages, or 6.75 pages count as 6?  Super Singles came in at 6.25(ish) pages.  And even Dustin agreed that anything under 7 pages is technically 6.

So, I propose that we either use a rounding up or down system where if it is up to 6.5 pages, it's 6, more then 6.5 and it's 7.

OR instead of saying 6 pages, just say no more then 7.  That way, there is no debate.  It MUST be less then 7.  Obviously, 7.01 is greater then 7, so, it'd suffer the penalty of being put last.

In addition, I think the scripts that were too long should have been "grandfathered" in for this OWC with the "rule change" stating that if you go over, you will be dinged and put at the bottom.  That way, people know what will happen, and no one will be caught by surprise.

I'm just trying to be fair.  I know for my story, I was unsure if 6.5 was 6.  I'm glad I cut it down to 6, but, I had no clue that I'd be penalized if I didn't.  The OWC are supposed to be fun, and those 3 scripts entered knowing they were over, but, weren't given any prior notice that they'd suffer a penalty.  Now, any OWC from this point on, would know that if you go over, you will be singled out and put last.  

I'm fine with that, I just think it should be announced before you put it into effect.  And I do think the page issue should be clarified for all to understand.

Thanks for listening err reading.
Dan
Posted by: eldave1, May 2nd, 2016, 11:30am; Reply: 402
I don't really think we need any clarification. The rule was:


Quoted Text
You have seven days to write a screenplay of up to 6 pages.


The - "up to" six pages was pretty clear to me at least. It means 6 pages is fine, 6.5 pages is over the limit. We don't need clarification on the 7 days - no one thought - crap - I thought I had 7.5 days to enter. Even the author of the script mentioned stated that it was a cut and pasting error on their part - not some misunderstanding of what up to 6 pages meant.

In terms of separating by page length - (i.e., here are the ones that violated the rule) - probably not a great idea. Readers can decide like they do for other aspects. For example, in this OWC some folks thought that the use of real superheroes along with a created one violated the rules. Personally, I didn't since there was no prohibition against it and in fact the rules said they would allow for cameos.  But - for me - it is cool for the readers to decide on a case by case basis. However, we ought not start getting to the point where we are parsing words like lawyers. It's an OWC for Christ's sake - not a mortgage contract. Up to six pages means exactly that.    
Posted by: James McClung, May 2nd, 2016, 11:48am; Reply: 403
I agree the scripts that went over didn't necessarily need to be isolated/pushed to the bottom of the list; the readers could've sorted that out. I also sympathize with Mark's previous post about the effect this had on reads (and will be returning his read). At the same time, I still really don't think the page limit is up for debate if it says "7" at the top of the last page or seven pages come out when you print.

The scripts got to be part of the challenge anyway. They'll be up for voting with the rest. If scripts aren't singled out next time when they're posted, problem solved. Beyond that, what's the point of splitting hairs?
Posted by: irish eyes, May 2nd, 2016, 11:55am; Reply: 404

Quoted from DanC
I'd like to propose a slight rules change that would stop scripts like Super Singles for being unfairly lumped in with the scripts that were clearly too long.

Does 6 pages mean up to 6, or is 6.5 pages, or 6.75 pages count as 6?  Super Singles came in at 6.25(ish) pages.  And even Dustin agreed that anything under 7 pages is technically 6.

So, I propose that we either use a rounding up or down system where if it is up to 6.5 pages, it's 6, more then 6.5 and it's 7.

OR instead of saying 6 pages, just say no more then 7.  That way, there is no debate.  It MUST be less then 7.  Obviously, 7.01 is greater then 7, so, it'd suffer the penalty of being put last.

In addition, I think the scripts that were too long should have been "grandfathered" in for this OWC with the "rule change" stating that if you go over, you will be dinged and put at the bottom.  That way, people know what will happen, and no one will be caught by surprise.

I'm just trying to be fair.  I know for my story, I was unsure if 6.5 was 6.  I'm glad I cut it down to 6, but, I had no clue that I'd be penalized if I didn't.  The OWC are supposed to be fun, and those 3 scripts entered knowing they were over, but, weren't given any prior notice that they'd suffer a penalty.  Now, any OWC from this point on, would know that if you go over, you will be singled out and put last.  

I'm fine with that, I just think it should be announced before you put it into effect.  And I do think the page issue should be clarified for all to understand.

Thanks for listening err reading.
Dan



Dan, It's very nice what you're trying to do, but I don't agree I should be voted for.
My rant was about the lack of comments, I stupidly went over by a few lines, but rules are rules.

Anyways thank you all for the extra reads and comments...

And sorry about my big fucking rant ;D;D;D

Posted by: Dreamscale, May 2nd, 2016, 12:19pm; Reply: 405
A page limit is a page limit and whatever the reasons for going over are, it really doesn't matter.

In fact, If I were The Don, I would not allow any script that went over by a single word, even.

Back in the day, peeps did anything and everything they had to, to make sure they were not over the page limit - not including FADE IN or FADE OUT, cutting lines, or literally just ending on the last line of the last page, without an actual ending.
Posted by: Ryan1, May 2nd, 2016, 1:22pm; Reply: 406
Well, I'm ready to vote.  Got a couple recs and a handful of considers.  Tough challenge, some scripts delivered the laughs but fell short on story, while others had story aplenty but just weren't funny.  Deceptively challenging OWC.

As for the page count controversy, I have to side with the hardliners here.  The question was brought up many times in the days leading to the deadline and the response was always clear: up to and including 6 pages.  If just a line or two wind up on page 7, then it's a 7 pager.  Slash and burn whatever you have to make the page limit.
Posted by: IamGlenn, May 3rd, 2016, 5:21pm; Reply: 407
Ok, all finally read.

I think what this challenge has definitely showcased is how people's sense of humour varies. Very few made me really laugh, some were nicely written, amusing reads. It all makes me unsure how to vote. Do I go for what made me laugh the most or is story still the most important. It was rare to get both of these factors in a script on show in this challenge.

Anyway, congrats to all. If you want me to take another look at yours and give personal feedback, hit me up.

Glenn.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, May 3rd, 2016, 6:02pm; Reply: 408

Quoted from IamGlenn
Do I go for what made me laugh the most or is story still the most important.


I don't know. Which is more important? When you figure it out, that's when you vote. Lol. =)
Posted by: IamGlenn, May 3rd, 2016, 6:08pm; Reply: 409

Quoted from Mr. Blonde


I don't know. Which is more important? When you figure it out, that's when you vote. Lol. =)


What if I never figure it out? Can I still vote?
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, May 3rd, 2016, 6:34pm; Reply: 410
No. Voting is forbidden. Lol.

Kidding, of course. It's all about whatever you think is the most worthy.
Posted by: stevie, May 3rd, 2016, 6:40pm; Reply: 411
Seeing how the genre was comedy, I'll be voting for the one that made me laugh the most. Quite a few had an OK story and were well written but just weren't funny.
Posted by: James McClung, May 3rd, 2016, 9:40pm; Reply: 412
Finished all scripts but two that went over. Might check them out after the names are revealed. I will say that with the exception of two, none of the scripts were alike and made for very diverse reading, which was refreshing. That's usually not the case with OWC entries. The six-page limit also made reading a lot smoother, although at this point, I'm definitely a little burnt out from reading so many.

I suppose I'm voting for the script I thought was the best written. I did think it was funny though. That said, the scripts that made me laugh the most generally made me laugh at their expense.
Posted by: irish eyes, May 4th, 2016, 6:44am; Reply: 413
I know who I'm voting for :

Posted by: StevenClark, May 4th, 2016, 7:53am; Reply: 414
There is one clear cut winner for me, but three will get recs. All told there were 5 or 6 scripts that were funny/well written. But the visuals on my top pick were just hilarious. Nice work to all!
Posted by: khamanna, May 4th, 2016, 8:06am; Reply: 415
I want to make two more guesses:

Animal Magic - Dan
Johnny - Bill

let's see.

This was a very fun challenge. Obviously we should do this sometimes again - 6 page comedy I mean. Thanks, Sean.
Posted by: Ryan1, May 4th, 2016, 1:40pm; Reply: 416
Hope that ballot gets emailed soon, I'm starting to forget which ones I liked.
Posted by: Dustin, May 4th, 2016, 1:53pm; Reply: 417

Quoted from Ryan1
Hope that ballot gets emailed soon, I'm starting to forget which ones I liked.


That's precisely why I leave a rec or a consider now in each thread that got one. When the voting form comes, I click the link on each title and scroll to my comment. Last OWC I forgot to do it and inevitably forgot which scripts I really liked. I had to try and decipher it from my comment, which wasn't ideal at all.

Be interesting to hear how others cope with this. I've heard some write things down on paper. Maybe others use their own spreadsheets.
Posted by: DanC, May 4th, 2016, 1:59pm; Reply: 418

Quoted from khamanna
I want to make two more guesses:

Animal Magic - Dan
Johnny - Bill

let's see.

This was a very fun challenge. Obviously we should do this sometimes again - 6 page comedy I mean. Thanks, Sean.


You think that I wrote Animal Magic?  Or is there another Dan?  I can tell you that I did NOT write that one.  I think people will be surprised which one I did write.  It was definitely different for me.  I couldn't have any axe murders...  Oh wait, I could have, darn it...

I forgot, superheroes use weapons too.  I could have had like a Scythe person figuring out how to use his scythe and all the bloody goodness that follows...  

Oh well.  Lost opportunity.  

I will say that I plan to do a rewrite of my story once this is over.  I think i have a good idea, but, the 6 page limit really hurt me.  The original draft came to 13 pages, so, all i could do is cut, cut, and cut some more.  It sucked.

How many others got some cool ideas after the deadline closed?  I know I did.  Can't get them while the competition is active, but, man, once it closes, bingo.

Dan
Posted by: DanC, May 4th, 2016, 2:00pm; Reply: 419

Quoted from Dustin


That's precisely why I leave a rec or a consider now in each thread that got one. When the voting form comes, I click the link on each title and scroll to my comment. Last OWC I forgot to do it and inevitably forgot which scripts I really liked. I had to try and decipher it from my comment, which wasn't ideal at all.

Be interesting to hear how others cope with this. I've heard some write things down on paper. Maybe others use their own spreadsheets.



Dustin,
    That's a great question.  I actually keep an email of which scripts that I liked the best and how I ranked them.  Otherwise, I'd have to pull up each one again and try to find my post.  How do others do it?

Dan
Posted by: khamanna, May 4th, 2016, 2:45pm; Reply: 420

Quoted from Dustin


That's precisely why I leave a rec or a consider now in each thread that got one. When the voting form comes, I click the link on each title and scroll to my comment. Last OWC I forgot to do it and inevitably forgot which scripts I really liked. I had to try and decipher it from my comment, which wasn't ideal at all.

Be interesting to hear how others cope with this. I've heard some write things down on paper. Maybe others use their own spreadsheets.


That's always been a problem for me as well. I too seldom decipher anything from my comment - suppose I said I liked the script - that maybe either consider or a recommend.

I do it old-fashioned way - I look up the script itself (I have to open it and start rereading), only then I remember. Good thing - I do have a good memory and picture a script right away.

Posted by: StevenClark, May 4th, 2016, 2:47pm; Reply: 421
I wrote each one down on my phone. After I read it I either marked it "good" or "pretty good," the latter being the better of the two. One I gave a "potential" to. Very scientific.
Posted by: khamanna, May 4th, 2016, 2:57pm; Reply: 422

Quoted from StevenClark
One I gave a "potential" to. Very scientific.


Does it mean a recommend?
Posted by: khamanna, May 4th, 2016, 3:34pm; Reply: 423
Well Dan, I just read FM, maybe this one is yours then.
Posted by: StevenClark, May 4th, 2016, 4:15pm; Reply: 424
No, Khamanna. I was gonna give three recs, but one really stood out for me. Definitely wanna give that a rec. But there will be three top scripts chosen, or so I believe, so maybe I should give three recs. Not sure now. And the one with potential was a decent story, but one where I felt the writer really missed an opportunity to make it funnier. I liked it, but not as much as some others.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, May 4th, 2016, 4:18pm; Reply: 425

Quoted from khamanna
I want to make two more guesses:

Animal Magic - Dan
Johnny - Bill

let's see.

This was a very fun challenge. Obviously we should do this sometimes again - 6 page comedy I mean. Thanks, Sean.


I wish Kham, I wish. Alas, This hasn't been my finest hour in terms of OWC.

Re voting I keep a note of each. I usually start off with a reminder comment to myself of what the script dealt with, but by the end I've turned into the devil and just give a thumbs up for good, down for not. With speed comes brutality. Yet each time I try to remind myself to read better and make more notes - but I don't  :'(
Posted by: Dreamscale, May 4th, 2016, 4:22pm; Reply: 426
What I do, when I enter a script, is write down each title as I read and give it a 1 - 5 star rating.

There are rarely any 5 star scripts and only a couple, at best, 4 star ratings.  Several will get a 3 star rating, and the majority 1 or 2.  If a script is downright horrible out of the gate, it gets ZERO stars.

If I have a tie at the end, in terms of stars, I'll go back and remind myself which was the stronger entry.

I think the most recommends I've ever given was 2, and maybe 3 or 4 considers.  Usually, 1 or 2 scripts stand heads and shoulders above the rest of the dreck.
Posted by: DanC, May 4th, 2016, 7:06pm; Reply: 427

Quoted from khamanna
Well Dan, I just read FM, maybe this one is yours then.


Sorry, wrong again.  It isn't very good.  I had to do so much cutting down, that's why I want to do it the correct way.  

My advice would be to look for something that looks unfocused b/c all I could do was cut, cut cut.

Dan
Posted by: Dreamscale, May 4th, 2016, 7:10pm; Reply: 428
Dan, you never responded to my in-depth notes I E-mailed you.  Did you get them?
Posted by: DanC, May 4th, 2016, 7:14pm; Reply: 429

Quoted from Dreamscale
Dan, you never responded to my in-depth notes I E-mailed you.  Did you get them?


Sorry about that.  I've had a bad time, the last 4 days, I'd spend 5 min on, and then  jump off.  I wanted to take some time to talk about the PM.  And we also have to talk about music that we have in common.  I'm sure you can add to my interests and I might be able to add to yours.  Foreign music is usually passed word of mouth.

Again, sorry
Dan
Posted by: eldave1, May 4th, 2016, 7:35pm; Reply: 430

Quoted from Dustin


That's precisely why I leave a rec or a consider now in each thread that got one. When the voting form comes, I click the link on each title and scroll to my comment. Last OWC I forgot to do it and inevitably forgot which scripts I really liked. I had to try and decipher it from my comment, which wasn't ideal at all.

Be interesting to hear how others cope with this. I've heard some write things down on paper. Maybe others use their own spreadsheets.


I use a spreadsheet
Posted by: khamanna, May 5th, 2016, 12:36am; Reply: 431
I noticed we don't scream out our picks anymore. Maybe I missed something - did you all decided its unfair practice or anything? I mean I don't object - it would be good to know if there's a collective stance on it or something.
Posted by: Cam Gray, May 5th, 2016, 2:07am; Reply: 432
We've gone private all the way thus far, not really sure what's to be gained from shouting them out...hopefully the voting isn't far away!!
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, May 5th, 2016, 2:12am; Reply: 433

Quoted from Dustin


That's precisely why I leave a rec or a consider now in each thread that got one. When the voting form comes, I click the link on each title and scroll to my comment. Last OWC I forgot to do it and inevitably forgot which scripts I really liked. I had to try and decipher it from my comment, which wasn't ideal at all.

Be interesting to hear how others cope with this. I've heard some write things down on paper. Maybe others use their own spreadsheets.


The email provides links to the threads and scripts so I click on each one and read the logline, for me this triggers the memory of the script, what I thought of it and it becomes obvious if itís a rec, con or complete no-no.  

Posted by: James McClung, May 5th, 2016, 9:48am; Reply: 434
One recommend from me, which I remember and noted in my review of the script. A handful of considers. I'll browse through the scripts when it comes time to vote and see how I'm feeling. There were only three or four scripts I thought were outright terrible. Voting shouldn't be too hard.
Posted by: Dreamscale, May 5th, 2016, 9:54am; Reply: 435
Super Singles has gone from the least reads to the most now, which in reality, really isn't fair or very cool, IMO.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, May 5th, 2016, 10:18am; Reply: 436
Minor update, guys. Don has said that the voting E-mail will go out this weekend (unspecified day, thus far) then the writers will be revealed 2-3 days afterwards.
Posted by: Dustin, May 5th, 2016, 10:35am; Reply: 437
Good... we've had two people, in the very least, bottle it this OWC and reveal themselves. The other guy was Dan C. He even sent me a fishing message, mentioning that I hadn't read his yet. I ignored it.

I've put a lot of thought into why writers do this... and it comes down to fear. It doesn't have anything to do with reads or even the voting and winning the mug. It's fear of having their ego bruised in public. Doesn't matter what the truth of the matter really is. All that counts is what the truth appears to be... even when nobody really believes it.
Posted by: Angry Bear, May 5th, 2016, 11:07am; Reply: 438
I haven't participated in the reading this time around. Only read a few a commented only on one. This is a first for me in 10 years!!!

It has been a very civilized one though, which is good. Sometimes these OWCs turn into roadhouse brawls.

Looking forward to see who all the writers are. 8)
Posted by: eldave1, May 5th, 2016, 11:24am; Reply: 439

Quoted from Dreamscale
Super Singles has gone from the least reads to the most now, which in reality, really isn't fair or very cool, IMO.


Cool or not - it hasn't had the most reads. It has had 37 replies. From my quick count, 19 reads. The rest of the posts were on different subjects. So in terms of unique reads and comments - it's at the mid to bottom third. (Sorry, it's the CPA in me - some habits are hard to break).

Other observations:

- I would have DQ'd the script regardless if it was separated from the others or not. I viewed the page count as a hard guideline.

- Yes, it did get less reads from the way it was categorized.

- I'm quite sure that Don doesn't read all scripts for compliance. So if others did not comply (e.g., nu Superhero, not a comedy, etc.) than that would not be discovered until each reader read. The page count is strictly an objective, obvious compliance issue. It is or it isn't. I believe that is why in this OWC, unlike others, the rules issue was pointed out up front.

- I took Mark's note as - he already knew the script was dead from a rules perspective - but would still like a fair share of reads given that he had read the others.

I have no idea whether this is a fair request or not, but I read and commented out of camaraderie with a fellow writer. The contest is not about a mug. It is about providing motivation to write a short, get constructive feedback to improve that short so that perhaps somewhere down the line improvements can be made to allow it to succeed somewhere outside the parameters of the OWC.

My comments were not tempered anymore than they would have been had I read an anonymous one. Specifically, because I am going to know sooner or later who all the authors are anyway and I would not want to be a dick reviewer before I knew their name or after I knew their name.

- I believe that if anyone  reveals them self  before the voting is done, the script should be DQ'd. The very essence of the contest is anonymity.  A reveal violates that.  

Obama, out.
Posted by: Angry Bear, May 5th, 2016, 11:39am; Reply: 440

Quoted from eldave1

- I believe that if anyone  reveals them self  before the voting is done, the script should be DQ'd. The very essence of the contest is anonymity.  A reveal violates that.  


I would disagree. This isn't a contest. It's a challenge. Don, Sean, everyone keep reminding us of this. Don however, is nice enough to give away a mug to whomever wrote the script with the most votes. It is not a contest, nor does winning that mug make the writer an award winning writer.  

In years past, the OWC has always been a fun challenge. The anonymity thing was part of the fun. You spend the first week reading and the second week guessing who wrote what. Now the OWC has grown to 30+ entries so that makes it harder, but the guessing was always part of the fun. IMO, looking back now, it seems to me that the spirit of the OWC has changed since the mug was introduced. People take this way too seriously now and insist on hard rules to be followed or the writer's script should be DQ'd. Not to mentioned you'll be labeled a jerk for not reading all the scripts...I don't know, but I'm much less enthused to take part these days than I used to. The fun part has definitely been dwindling.  :-/
Posted by: eldave1, May 5th, 2016, 12:00pm; Reply: 441

Quoted Text
I would disagree. This isn't a contest. It's a challenge. Don, Sean, everyone keep reminding us of this. Don however, is nice enough to give away a mug to whomever wrote the script with the most votes. It is not a contest, nor does winning that mug make the writer an award winning writer.  


Your conclusion is true but really doesn't link to the premise. True - the OWC is a challenge and a mug is not going to result in an Oscar. But that's irrelevant. It's either anonymous or not. We could have an OWC where (a) the writers are known (b) can respond and interact with posts made related to their script, (c) etc. etc or have one that is anonymous. Apparently, the latter is preferred. Otherwise???


Quoted Text
In years past, the OWC has always been a fun challenge. The anonymity thing was part of the fun. You spend the first week reading and the second week guessing who wrote what. Now the OWC has grown to 30+ entries so that makes it harder, but the guessing was always part of the fun.


You can guess without revealing. e.g., I can say I think John wrote XXXXX. I don't need to say I think John wrote XXXX - oh, and by the way - I wrote ....


Quoted Text
IMO, looking back now, it seems to me that the spirit of the OWC has changed since the mug was introduced. People take this way too seriously now and insist on hard rules to be followed or the writer's script should be DQ'd. Not to mentioned you'll be labeled a jerk for not reading all the scripts...I don't know, but I'm much less enthused to take part these days than I used to. The fun part has definitely been dwindling.  


Can't speak for the old days so I'll take your perspective. I would add if adherence to a set of guidelines is not desirable, then heck - have a OWC that simply is Write a Short.

I personally do think it is a bit jerky to enter and not comment on scripts. But that's just me.
Posted by: Angry Bear, May 5th, 2016, 12:05pm; Reply: 442

Quoted from eldave1

I personally do think it is a bit jerky to enter and not comment on scripts. But that's just me.

Of course and some people even delete their comments on scripts they've read if it turns out the writer didn't read any scripts at all. However, nowadays, it seems that you're labeled a jerk if you don't read ALL the scripts.

Anyway, carry on...
Posted by: DanC, May 5th, 2016, 1:21pm; Reply: 443

Quoted from Dustin
Good... we've had two people, in the very least, bottle it this OWC and reveal themselves. The other guy was Dan C. He even sent me a fishing message, mentioning that I hadn't read his yet. I ignored it.

I've put a lot of thought into why writers do this... and it comes down to fear. It doesn't have anything to do with reads or even the voting and winning the mug. It's fear of having their ego bruised in public. Doesn't matter what the truth of the matter really is. All that counts is what the truth appears to be... even when nobody really believes it.


ummm, Dustin,
That was not a fishing message.  I had no idea which one was yours, nor did I have any idea if you had read mine yet.  I still have no clue if you read mine.  I asked about your new daughter.  

Not everything is devious.  I had wondered if I read yours and if I liked it.  It isn't the first time I've ever contacted you.  I can post what I sent, but, I don't think it's  fishing at all.

Sorry if that was your take from it.  It wasn't meant in that way.

Dan
Posted by: Dustin, May 5th, 2016, 2:04pm; Reply: 444
At the time of that message, Dan, I'd already read at least half the scripts. You telling me that I hadn't read it yet, was an attempt to interact with me on the subject.

I don't think a script should be disqualified as it's just a friendly competition... this is more of a personal thing. This is a chance to get completely subjective feedback from a bunch of writers, why not take that opportunity? Why lose your nerve and tell your friends, some of who, you know, will give harsh feedback at times? I believe that you're afraid of that, more than you are in writing a script that will never be produced.

The reason anonymity works best is because it avoids the contest turning into one of popularity and concentrates more on strength of story.
Posted by: IamGlenn, May 5th, 2016, 3:07pm; Reply: 445
I agree with Dustin on this one.
We keep ourselves anonymous for a reason as part of the challenge. That way we get honest feedback on our work, and in return can give honest feedback.
This is my 4th or 5th OWC and I have never outted myself or felt the need to. Obviously no one can stop anyone revealing their work on the public board or in a private mail, but personally I do think it takes something away from the challenge.
Posted by: DanC, May 5th, 2016, 3:26pm; Reply: 446

Quoted from IamGlenn
I agree with Dustin on this one.
We keep ourselves anonymous for a reason as part of the challenge. That way we get honest feedback on our work, and in return can give honest feedback.
This is my 4th or 5th OWC and I have never outted myself or felt the need to. Obviously no one can stop anyone revealing their work on the public board or in a private mail, but personally I do think it takes something away from the challenge.


I don't know.  I give honest feedback whether or not I like the person or not.  And everyone that I'm friends with on here knows I want the honest truth.  If you think it sucks harder then a 5 dollar hooker, that's fine, I just want to know why.  

Lets face it folks, screenwriting is hard.  Selling something is even harder.  Getting past the wall gods is tough.  I'd rather hear it from someone on here then from them.  So, I would hope that  a person would be honest with me, b/c I sure will be.  I'll never get angry at a person for a harsh review.  

Even Dustin can back me on that.  

That said, I can't imagine Dustin or Jeff or anyone changing their view of a story just because they knew who wrote what.  

Oh, and Dustin, I disagree.  Here is what I wrote:

Hey Dustin,
     How'd your story work out?  I don't think you read mine yet.  Have to check again.  

How's it going?  How's the new addition to the family holding up?

Dan

I asked how your story was going over.  I really have no clue who read mine and who didn't.  And I closed it up by asking about your daughter.  Not sure why you think that's fishing, but, I don't.  It's not a big deal, but, I wasn't fishing.  

This is the first OWC that I didn't out myself.  Yes, a select few know what I wrote, but, for the most part, no one knows what I wrote.  I knew it would suck, so, I wasn't expecting a lot.  Whereas the first 2, I was unprepared for the negative stuff and had to defend myself.  

This one, I knew I'd get roasted.  However, It wasn't hated on too much.  Some didn't like it, some did.  Considering all I could do was cut, I'm shocked it was cohesive in any way.

Dan
Posted by: Cam Gray, May 5th, 2016, 3:54pm; Reply: 447
Being a newbie I should probably just let you guys debate it, but I don't really get the point in saying who wrote what. I know this is ultimately a bit of fun, but going into this with names available, I think it would change the feedback from those of you who already know each other.

The only benefit to it I can see is that you'd be able to avoid reviewing the script's of those who haven't really participated in giving feedback, but that in itself is just a tad spiteful (even though having gone through them all, it has got my goat).

Also never underestimate how competitive people get. I've seen my missus strop her way round an 18 hole mini putt course before because she's one of these competitive types, and thought people were cheating. If names get revealed I'd imagine it just opens it up for lobbying of scripts, and we've managed to keep it secret so far so why would you change???
Posted by: PrussianMosby, May 5th, 2016, 4:11pm; Reply: 448

Quoted from DanC

This is the first OWC that I didn't out myself.  Yes, a select few know what I wrote, but, for the most part, no one knows what I wrote. Dan


It seems ethics are colliding here again. A select few, haha. God, this shit...

What do you think about those who not out themselves and didn't select a few?

I better go to bed and don't invest here.
Posted by: Dreamscale, May 5th, 2016, 4:22pm; Reply: 449
Back in the day, a good number of regulars would let their friends know which was theirs.  Some even sent it out to a select few in advance for advice and editing.

I don't agree with either of these tactics, and even though, in the past, some have E-mailed, PM'd me and outted themselves...and asked which one was mine, I'd make them wait till the reveal.

It was so bad 1 OWC that a person read mine, not knowing it was mine and left positive feedback.  Within an hour, a friend of theirs told them it was mine (as at the time, unbeknownst to me, my software had my name on it, when you clicked on "properties"), and I literally watched as the positive feedback turned very negative and downright mean spirited.  Things got very ugly, very quickly!

This type of "challenge" has to be anonymous and no entrant should tell anyone which was theirs, unless feedback has already been given, and it's not the kind of feedback that would warrant a vote for best entry.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, May 5th, 2016, 5:12pm; Reply: 450
Personally I'd rather get the OWC feedback unfiltered, so I'll never out myself in the thread or PM/emails etc.

But this just a bit of fun, if people really want to out themselves, for whatever reason, then I don't care and I don't really care how many reads I get either - it'll be a similar number to what I get when I normally post a short, so it's all good.

Long live the OWC ;-)
Posted by: Ryan1, May 5th, 2016, 5:51pm; Reply: 451
I won't reveal what my votes will be, but just a few standout moments in this owc:  

Favorite Character - Supermick
Best LOL line - FM
Best concept - Googleman
Posted by: DanC, May 5th, 2016, 6:31pm; Reply: 452

Quoted from Dreamscale
Back in the day, a good number of regulars would let their friends know which was theirs.  Some even sent it out to a select few in advance for advice and editing.

I don't agree with either of these tactics, and even though, in the past, some have E-mailed, PM'd me and outted themselves...and asked which one was mine, I'd make them wait till the reveal.

It was so bad 1 OWC that a person read mine, not knowing it was mine and left positive feedback.  Within an hour, a friend of theirs told them it was mine (as at the time, unbeknownst to me, my software had my name on it, when you clicked on "properties"), and I literally watched as the positive feedback turned very negative and downright mean spirited.  Things got very ugly, very quickly!

This type of "challenge" has to be anonymous and no entrant should tell anyone which was theirs, unless feedback has already been given, and it's not the kind of feedback that would warrant a vote for best entry.




I hope I never turn into that type of person.  If a script is good, I will admit that it's good.  If it is bad and written by a good friend of mine, I will say it's bad.

And the reason people knew it was my script was that one person helped review it before I entered, so, they obviously knew which was mine, and a few others PM'd me and said that I gave good advice on their script.  

And Jeff, you did "kinda" say to contact you :)  So, I did.  But, it was after the feedback was left.  I don't think I knew anything from anyone (nor did they from me) until all the comments were done.  Once the feedback is left, I won't alter it.  If a person I hate (there aren't any) wrote something good, I'd have to give it to them.  

And like I said, every person that I'm close with on here knows that I want the truth, and they want the truth too.  So, feelings never get involved.  Truth is truth.  

That said, it is up to me to see if I want to accept that advice, or if that advice is correct for the story.  When I read Mark Renshaw's amazing story about psychos, we argued for a good week what I thought his character would do, knowing how psychos think, at a point in the story.  I reminded him that it's a great thing when people are talking about a made up character a week later.  We both laughed.

Kinda like the debate I got into about Elsa on Frozen Fever.  The person ultimately forgot that they aren't real.  The writers chose what Elsa does.  I found it cringeworthy (if anyone didn't see Frozen Fever, which is really cute) when Elsa shows an image of her draped on Anna's frozen body as a party image.  

Dan
Posted by: StevenClark, May 5th, 2016, 7:05pm; Reply: 453

Quoted from AnthonyCawood

Long live the OWC ;-)


Amen!!

Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, May 5th, 2016, 10:38pm; Reply: 454

Quoted from eldave1


Your conclusion is true but really doesn't link to the premise. True - the OWC is a challenge and a mug is not going to result in an Oscar. But that's irrelevant. It's either anonymous or not. We could have an OWC where (a) the writers are known (b) can respond and interact with posts made related to their script, (c) etc. etc or have one that is anonymous. Apparently, the latter is preferred. Otherwise???


The first OWCs i entered at SS was something along these lines where the writers could use thier real names if they chose to. But the reason for it was a rare case. It was one of the October/Halloween ones. There has been only one other time, to my recollection since I been around where the writer's names could be used when submitting- but that was a rare, special circumstance where an indie filmmaker was looking for low budget horrors.

As for myself, coming up with alises is half the fun. Another part of it for me is knowing that by now, the majority of SS regs know my writing style for better or for verse  ;D So I throw in a few wrinkles to make it less obvious The result is usually mixed. Sometimes I'll even comment on my own work to throw off peeps off the trail. Not that anyone pays that much attention to me anyway. ;D

As for the aliases and those who squeal on themselves before voting is done, that should not DQ a script.Nor should a misinterpetation of the guidelines or simply not following the theme, although those factors may affect the rating score.

As for the crappy mug- count your blessings. Folks could have had those inane "top three of the month/week club" where new peers would sell out their own mothers just to be King Of The Hill For A Day - and retain for reasons unknown to most, a mentality with delusions of grandeur.
Posted by: khamanna, May 6th, 2016, 5:02am; Reply: 455
Googleman does have a feature potential for me

Funniest piece of dialog got to be this:
"Tu brilling es Alice... Thank you for unfishing my gimble

Tu brilling es Nigel... I think."

(not votes revealed by the way)
Posted by: StevenClark, May 6th, 2016, 6:32am; Reply: 456
Two funniest scene for me included no dialogue. One was the scene of SuperMick just flying away as the dragon wreaked havoc on the townspeople (including his own wife!) and the other was from Mother Nature's Joke, as the hamster ball rolled along the corridor approaching Saddam's den of thieves. Funny funny stuff!
Posted by: khamanna, May 6th, 2016, 6:53am; Reply: 457

Quoted from StevenClark
and the other was from Mother Nature's Joke, as the hamster ball rolled along the corridor approaching Saddam's den of thieves. Funny funny stuff!


Lol, I remember that one. Yeah, that was really funny.
Posted by: hawkeye, May 6th, 2016, 9:46pm; Reply: 458
I was going to respond after reading all the comments going back and forth in this thread about breaking the rules of the OWC, and then I remembered: I couldn't give a flying ****.  
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, May 6th, 2016, 11:57pm; Reply: 459

Quoted from hawkeye
I was going to respond after reading all the comments going back and forth in this thread about breaking the rules of the OWC, and then I remembered: I couldn't give a flying ****.  


Maybe so, but you have to respect those that do.
that said, I'll admit my entry wasn't exactly on the narrow path, and the comic book related jokes were lost on my readers. But my rule-bending wasn't intentional, but a misunderstanding. That said,  I don't thumb my nose at those that stuck to the guidelines.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, May 7th, 2016, 9:29am; Reply: 460
An update: the Writer's Choice E-mail has been sent.
Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 10:36am; Reply: 461
REC's (in no particular order):

Johnny Come Lately
The Talk
Flying High


Considers:

FM
Mother Nature's Joke
SuperMick
Local Hero
The Symbol
Googleman
Posted by: eldave1, May 7th, 2016, 10:48am; Reply: 462
My votes are in - a bit tough as we were just asked for top three and I had 4 recommends. Narrow margin between 3 and 4 and I probably could change my mind tomorrow (oh well- got down to three).

Interesting to see what impact the change in voting structure brings. i.e., since top three only, scripts won't tally points for considers.  

Anyway - task complete.  

Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 11:43am; Reply: 463
I only had 3 recommends anyway. There were two that I was wavering between rec and consider with, so the voting method forced my hand with those two.

Still though, that's 9 scripts that I selected either for a rec or consider. That's a lot. For me, that's a hell of a lot. Usually I get like three scripts, with one rec and two considers. To have 9 in the running is superb.
Posted by: eldave1, May 7th, 2016, 12:03pm; Reply: 464

Quoted from Dustin
I only had 3 recommends anyway. There were two that I was wavering between rec and consider with, so the voting method forced my hand with those two.

Still though, that's 9 scripts that I selected either for a rec or consider. That's a lot. For me, that's a hell of a lot. Usually I get like three scripts, with one rec and two considers. To have 9 in the running is superb.


I grade the scripts on a A,B,C,D,E,F scale. An A or a B+ gets a recommend from me and a B gets a consider.

I had four B+ (very solid scripts - but not knocked out of the park - still a recommend).

I had 5 B ratings (considers).

So, we both arrived at nine.  Maybe not the same nine - but nine.

I don't object to the new voting method but am curious as to how it affect the outcome, if at all. In the past, I assumed that "considers" contributed to the point totals and this time - not so much. So, in the past - a more vanilla reaction to a script, e.g., most thought it was a B level - few hated it, no one loved it (something like "The Martian") probably would score well vs a script that was more polarizing (i.e., half loved it, half didn't get it). e.g., something like The Hateful Eight.  Anyway - just babbling.
Posted by: Max, May 7th, 2016, 12:03pm; Reply: 465
What is the new voting method?
Posted by: PrussianMosby, May 7th, 2016, 12:05pm; Reply: 466
No, link this time, right? So, I guess Don wants us to send him a mail with the top 3?

If so, is there a difference between No.1 and No.3?

Could somebody clear that up, please...
Posted by: khamanna, May 7th, 2016, 12:06pm; Reply: 467
This time we have to list our three favs.

I think the email went only to participating writers though.
Posted by: IamGlenn, May 7th, 2016, 12:38pm; Reply: 468
Sent my 3. We just had to reply to the email, right?
Posted by: eldave1, May 7th, 2016, 12:59pm; Reply: 469
I assume so - that's all I did.
Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 1:12pm; Reply: 470
I sent the same list that I posted above. It may help in determining an outright winner in the case of a tie.
Posted by: Mr. Blonde, May 7th, 2016, 1:24pm; Reply: 471
I'm sure it's one of those things where the script with the most top 3s wins, 2nd is 2nd, etc.
Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 1:49pm; Reply: 472
I still can't get over the fact that I have rec'd or considered 26.4% of the scripts entered. Unbelievable. Seems comedy is easier than we thought, eh?
Posted by: Max, May 7th, 2016, 1:52pm; Reply: 473
26.4%?
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, May 7th, 2016, 2:06pm; Reply: 474
I've voted, sad to see I couldn't do the usual considers as there were a few I wanted to consider, but I understand Don has been mega busy and just wants to wrap this up.
Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 2:22pm; Reply: 475

Quoted from Max
26.4%?


9 out of 34 is approximately 26.4% of the scripts.
Posted by: Max, May 7th, 2016, 2:25pm; Reply: 476

Quoted from Dustin


9 out of 34 is approximately 26.4% of the scripts.


Not too shabby I guess.  Maybe you'll reach the promised land, which is located on the other side of 50%

;D
Posted by: khamanna, May 7th, 2016, 2:37pm; Reply: 477
Yeah, this looks like the best OWC ever - too much good stuff. It was easy for me to decide on my top three though. I would still give recommends to a few others, but Don asked for the best three...

So
SuperMick
Johnny
Mother Natures

sorry, dont see the reason to hold it in. Everyone choses his own anyway.
Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 2:59pm; Reply: 478

Quoted from khamanna
Everyone choses his own anyway.


I never have.
Posted by: khamanna, May 7th, 2016, 3:10pm; Reply: 479

Quoted from Dustin


I never have.


)) I mean everyone has his own mind (or something, not that anyone marks his own script - I don't think that happens often. If ever)
Posted by: Max, May 7th, 2016, 3:25pm; Reply: 480
Are we still pretending that OWC isn't a legit competition with a prize to be had, btw?
Posted by: Cam Gray, May 7th, 2016, 3:31pm; Reply: 481
It's all just a big bunch of fun, no competitive element at all...that being said, if I somehow win, I'm painting that mug gold and parading it around the house.
Posted by: Max, May 7th, 2016, 3:33pm; Reply: 482
I think some people enter because they want to win that mug, and I don't blame them.  It's a nice bit of kit.
Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 3:50pm; Reply: 483

Quoted from khamanna


)) I mean everyone has his own mind (or something, not that anyone marks his own script - I don't think that happens often. If ever)


Ah, sorry. Misread it.
Posted by: Dustin, May 7th, 2016, 3:56pm; Reply: 484

Quoted from Max
Are we still pretending that OWC isn't a legit competition with a prize to be had, btw?


I'd like to win the mug... but my main aim, with everything I write, is to write something that is production-worthy. Nothing else really matters. A cup with my name on it is all well and good, but it's not going to help further my writing career.
Posted by: eldave1, May 7th, 2016, 3:56pm; Reply: 485

Quoted from khamanna
Yeah, this looks like the best OWC ever - too much good stuff. It was easy for me to decide on my top three though. I would still give recommends to a few others, but Don asked for the best three...

So
SuperMick
Johnny
Mother Natures

sorry, dont see the reason to hold it in. Everyone choses his own anyway.


I was:

1. Googleman
2. Johnny Come Lately
3. Simply Super
Posted by: Max, May 7th, 2016, 3:57pm; Reply: 486

Quoted from Dustin


I'd like to win the mug... but my main aim, with everything I write, is to write something that is production-worthy. Nothing else really matters. A cup with my name on it is all well and good, but it's not going to help further my writing career.


Fair enough.

Free shit is great if you can get it :p

Posted by: AnthonyCawood, May 7th, 2016, 4:14pm; Reply: 487
I love my mug ;-)
Posted by: Max, May 7th, 2016, 4:26pm; Reply: 488

Quoted from AnthonyCawood
I love my mug ;-)


Don't mug yourself off, Anthony.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, May 7th, 2016, 4:34pm; Reply: 489
;-)
Posted by: khamanna, May 7th, 2016, 4:40pm; Reply: 490
I got it - Bill wrote Nigel Cheats Death! Don't know how I couldn't see it right away. Now for the 33 others...
Posted by: DanC, May 7th, 2016, 6:48pm; Reply: 491
I didn't care for this OWC.  For me, a higher then a 7.5 is above good.  I typically give it top grades.  Only 2 were above that for me.  I had a few hit that 7.5, but, after looking closer, I dinged half a point for not being funny/not having a super-powered person etc, so, I got it down to 4.

I sent Don all 4, kinda got it down to 3, but, I could change my mind again tomorrow.  I prefer the other way better where we just submitted them according to how we felt about each script.

Dan
Posted by: DanC, May 7th, 2016, 6:53pm; Reply: 492

Quoted from Max


Don't mug yourself off, Anthony.


MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX

YOU'RE BACK!!  Oh, I've missed you bud!!

I kept asking about you.  How are you doing?  I entered this OWC.  I'm back here on a limited basis.  Pain has been too great, but, I spend a short time on, sign off, and come back.  That's how I have to do it now...

Are you back?  PM me with your private email so we can keep in touch better!!

Dan
Posted by: cbead, May 8th, 2016, 4:19am; Reply: 493
My top 3 (out of pretty much 5 Rec's)

1. Mother Nature's Joke
2. Johnny Come Lately
3. Altered Egos
Posted by: Dustin, May 8th, 2016, 5:03am; Reply: 494
If the current votes are anything to go by, then Johnny Come Lately looks to be the clear leader.
Posted by: IamGlenn, May 8th, 2016, 5:19am; Reply: 495
I've got Johnny Come Lately in my top three too. Looks like a winner.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, May 8th, 2016, 6:03am; Reply: 496
Me too
Posted by: khamanna, May 8th, 2016, 6:05am; Reply: 497
My thoughts on Johnny exactly.

A complete story. Something that won't remain unappreciated.
Posted by: rendevous, May 8th, 2016, 6:40am; Reply: 498

Quoted from AnthonyCawood
I love my mug ;-)


What is this mug you speak of?

I also have a mug. Hmm, must remember to wash it later. It's been a while. Er, the mug I mean. Not me um. No. I'm going now.

Where is my coat?

R

ps. I found it. It was in the bathroom. The coat. In the bath. Why? I dunno. I'm still looking for me shoes. They'll probably be in the fridge. Oh yes I said I was
Posted by: IamGlenn, May 8th, 2016, 6:43am; Reply: 499
Johnny
Mother Nature
Flying high

They got my votes, in that order. If that means anything..
Posted by: Max, May 8th, 2016, 9:20am; Reply: 500

Quoted from DanC


MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX

YOU'RE BACK!!  Oh, I've missed you bud!!

I kept asking about you.  How are you doing?  I entered this OWC.  I'm back here on a limited basis.  Pain has been too great, but, I spend a short time on, sign off, and come back.  That's how I have to do it now...

Are you back?  PM me with your private email so we can keep in touch better!!

Dan


Hey,

I'm good man, so thanks for asking.  I'm just checking a few things out here and there, and I do plan to start writing again once I get a new laptop.

You been writing much as of late?
Posted by: DanC, May 8th, 2016, 11:02am; Reply: 501

Quoted from Max


Hey,

I'm good man, so thanks for asking.  I'm just checking a few things out here and there, and I do plan to start writing again once I get a new laptop.

You been writing much as of late?



My top 4 were, in order,
Johnny come lately
Erection Man
Mother Nature's Joke
The talk

Max, I'm okay.  I mean, I'm not okay, but, I'm alive and still writing.  I submitted a short for this OWC.  I hated it, but, it got a tiny bit of love, which was shocking.  I am hoping the story that I envisioned (and will be probably 20ish pages) will be much much better.

Dan
Posted by: cloroxmartini, May 8th, 2016, 11:53am; Reply: 502
Mother Nature
The talk
Johnny

I didn't write as I rarely do
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, May 8th, 2016, 2:23pm; Reply: 503
My votes went to:

Johnny Come Lately

Googleman

SuperMick
Posted by: stevie, May 8th, 2016, 3:18pm; Reply: 504
Googleman
SupaChav
Flying High

Rated for laughs not story as it was a comedy theme.  Johnny got zero laughs for me funnily enough lol.
Posted by: Cam Gray, May 8th, 2016, 3:50pm; Reply: 505
Thank god it wasn't just myself who left it out!
Super Mick
Superchav, Innit
The Talk
Johnny was up there but not enough full blown laughs for myself...
Posted by: James McClung, May 8th, 2016, 3:56pm; Reply: 506
Flying High Again
FM
Johnny Come Lately

1 and 3 for the overall quality. 2 for the laughs and the type of humor attempted. Most of the scripts were too light and goofy for my taste.
Posted by: Ryan1, May 8th, 2016, 5:21pm; Reply: 507
I also voted Johnny as my number 1.  It wasn't the funniest, or even the best story.  But what I appreciated most was the work that the writer obviously put into it.  Really felt like multiple drafts went into that one.
Posted by: StevenClark, May 8th, 2016, 6:34pm; Reply: 508
1. Mother Nature's Joke -- visually funny. I can't stop thinking of that hamster ball.

2. SuperMick -- witty dialogue, good punch lines and, of course, SuperMick flying off at the end was hysterical.

3. The Talk -- not the funniest or even that funny, but it was pleasantly humorous and was the most human out of the scripts.

I didn't vote for these scripts, but I thought they were good as well -- Flying High Again, Animal Magic, Altered Ego's and FM, which I felt had potential but just needed to be fleshed out and handled a bit differently to bring out more of its humor. Actually, some pretty disturbing subjects came up in that script.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, May 9th, 2016, 3:18am; Reply: 509
The talk
Mother natures joke
Johnny come lately

A few others were close

Nice effort folks.
Posted by: Wes, May 11th, 2016, 6:07pm; Reply: 510
Mother Nature's Joke
Pillock of Society
Altered Egos

I guess everyone has a different sense of humor.

So when will the votes be tallied and the results be posted.
I don't mean to be impatient. Just have questions I'd like to discuss about my script.
Posted by: DanC, May 11th, 2016, 8:59pm; Reply: 511
Honestly, with the amount of people that have "outed" themselves, I think it's over 8 now, and since most of the votes (if not all) have been submitted, you could ask now.  If I left you any comments, feel free to pm me and I will respond.

Dan
Posted by: Ryan1, May 16th, 2016, 4:15pm; Reply: 512
Any word on when the voting results will be posted/names revealed?  This owc is feeling like a distant memory now.
Posted by: Angry Bear, May 16th, 2016, 4:53pm; Reply: 513
Don has been VERY busy lately. He probably feels pretty bad for not having posted the results yet. Not to mention posting new scripts.  :)
Posted by: rendevous, May 16th, 2016, 9:05pm; Reply: 514
Being busy. I know the feeling. I've been away. Where? Oh, I forget.

One question. Who will win the coveted mug? My money is on... Oh. I don't have any.

R
Posted by: DanC, May 17th, 2016, 2:53am; Reply: 515

Quoted from rendevous
Being busy. I know the feeling. I've been away. Where? Oh, I forget.

One question. Who will win the coveted mug? My money is on... Oh. I don't have any.

R


Me.  It's my fantasy and I have to win, right :)

Yeah, it's not me.  I might have gotten 1 vote, maybe...  Which is the most that I've ever gotten, sadly...

Dan

Now, I'm gonna cry in the corner at the harsh truth of reality.  Back to killing kittens and virgins.  Having trouble with the latter....
Posted by: Dustin, May 17th, 2016, 5:10am; Reply: 516
Perhaps it's time we all 'outed' ourselves to help lessen Don's burden. This will not only enable us to bump our own threads but will also increase the activity of the site.
Posted by: rendevous, May 17th, 2016, 6:44am; Reply: 517

Quoted from Dustin
Perhaps it's time we all 'outed' ourselves...


Oops. I cut down your post there, sorry bout that.

Out ourselves? But I didn't think that was the done thing around here. I thought Don Bon did all that stuff.

He can out me anytime he likes. As long as he outs everyone else as well. Not that there's anything wrong with that kinda thing.

Oh. Forgot the time. Where are my sandals. Gotta buy some new socks as well, as they pinch.

R
Posted by: Angry Bear, May 17th, 2016, 7:44am; Reply: 518

Quoted from Dustin
This will not only enable us to bump our own threads but will also increase the activity of the site.

It is rather slow here, isn't it? Nine days covered on the portal...

We could start a brawl!!!

Ooooops! I forgot I'm a moderator now and have to behave.  ;D
Posted by: MarkRenshaw, May 17th, 2016, 7:55am; Reply: 519

Quoted from Dustin
Perhaps it's time we all 'outed' ourselves to help lessen Don's burden. This will not only enable us to bump our own threads but will also increase the activity of the site.



I'll start, I'm Mark and I'm an alc.....oh it's not one of those is it?

OK, I like Star Wars, Star Trek AND Doctor Who, which means in some American states I'd be hunted down like a geek mongrel.

Have I outed myself enough?

Posted by: Dreamscale, May 17th, 2016, 8:59am; Reply: 520

Quoted from Angry Bear
It is rather slow here, isn't it? Nine days covered on the portal...

We could start a brawl!!!


Those were the days, my friend.  The huge brawls involving numerous peeps all at once.

I'm up for a brawl!  Oh wait...no I'm not.  I'm going to Vegas tomorrow.  No time for brawling.

Posted by: rendevous, May 17th, 2016, 8:21pm; Reply: 521

Quoted from Dreamscale
I'm going to Vegas tomorrow.  No time for brawling.



Be careful. The odds are against you in casinos. Some might say, my advice is only bet what you can afford to lose. It's only my advice. Take or leave it. Don't lose your shirt, your head or your car. Best of luck. Everybody needs as much good luck as they can get.

I know I do. Now, where is my pack of cards? Or is it are? I dunno. FOrgot.

R

Posted by: khamanna, May 18th, 2016, 3:50am; Reply: 522

Quoted from rendevous


I know I do. Now, where is my pack of cards? Or is it are? I dunno. FOrgot.

R


You left me all worried. What if you never find them?
Posted by: khamanna, May 18th, 2016, 4:15am; Reply: 523
So, let me do this (and if you're against it please let me know):

Super Singles - Mark Moore (Irish)
Supachav innit - Dustin
Erection Man - Bill Sarre (Reef Dreamer)
Mother Nature's Joke - Cameron (Cammygray1983)
Super Mick - Glenn
Johhny Come Lately - Conz
The Symbol - Steven Clark
Making The Perfect Hero - Dan
Pillock of Society - cbead
A Game of Supers - Khamanna

Anyone else outed himself and I missed?
Posted by: Cam Gray, May 18th, 2016, 4:31am; Reply: 524
I did Mother Nature's, and Glenn did Super Mick
Posted by: Cam Gray, May 18th, 2016, 4:34am; Reply: 525
If anyone's getting bored waiting for the results, found this funny 10 minute podcast regaling the worst production ever by the sound of things. Involves the Home Alone DOP, can't figure or what it is though.

Anyway proper funny - http://omnyapp.com/shows/story-club/3-0-rob-carlton-continuity
Posted by: khamanna, May 18th, 2016, 4:36am; Reply: 526

Quoted from Cam Gray
I did Mother Nature's, and Glenn did Super Mick


Thanks Cameron - one list three mistakes - nice of me.

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