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Posted by: Barry_Katz, July 31st, 2016, 10:49am
Do you have an unproduced feature or short?

Do you need help with your logline?

A logline is the FIRST THING a prospective producer will see.  Make it stand out!

I am offering my services FREE to the FIRST THREE WRITERS who contact me for help.  One script per writer.  Why FREE?  So I can begin building a reputation.  If you like what you see, all I ask is that you provide positive feedback and refer me to a friend.

What do you have to lose?  Nothing!

The first three writers who contact me will be asked a few brief questions about their script.  I will then formulate and provide them with a professional logline they can use.

I look forward to helping you!
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, July 31st, 2016, 10:55am; Reply: 1
Barry - never one to look a gift horse in the mouth, I'd be up for it and be happy to provide feedback... I'll PM you too.

Anthony
Posted by: Barry_Katz, July 31st, 2016, 10:58am; Reply: 2
Anthony -- I look forward to helping you!
Posted by: Barry_Katz, July 31st, 2016, 11:43am; Reply: 3
Bogey -- I received your private message and have responded.  Looking forward to helping you!

ONE open position remaining...
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), August 1st, 2016, 9:29am; Reply: 4
OK, Barry, I'm always up for a better logline.

Count me in!
Posted by: khamanna, August 1st, 2016, 10:43am; Reply: 5
Am I the third one or someone else beat me to it via PM?
Posted by: Barry_Katz, August 2nd, 2016, 8:43pm; Reply: 6
Dreamscale -- I just sent you a PM.  You are number three!

Khamanna -- Unfortunately, you were not one of the first three, but I would encourage you to reach out to the others to see whether or not they recommend my services :)
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 2:31am; Reply: 7
Logline services... whatever next?

Members here would be better off posting their loglines and allowing the community to come up with variations.

Writers paying to have somebody write for them... wow.
Posted by: khamanna, August 3rd, 2016, 3:05am; Reply: 8

Quoted from DustinBowcot


Members here would be better off posting their loglines and allowing the community to come up with variations.


And we do have a good logline thread somewhere here. I received solid advice there once.
Posted by: BenL (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 7:22am; Reply: 9
How about any references? Since the author claims the loglines are "professional" ...
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 8:28am; Reply: 10
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3735326/

This is he... made a few shorts. So now he's taking that valuable experience and cashing in.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 9:29am; Reply: 11
Let's see what he can do before throwing rocks at the guy.

He's going to provide a logline for me on a script that is very, very hard to write a logline on that doesn't give too much away, but also makes it compelling to read.
Posted by: DustinBowcot (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 10:16am; Reply: 12
He will write a professional log line, that's what he will do. So effing what? If any writer here cannot already do that then I dread to think what the script looks like.

Just another failed writer that believes they can teach other writers how not to fail.
Posted by: eldave1, August 3rd, 2016, 10:24am; Reply: 13
I would always take free advice on a log line.

I would never pay for advice on a log line.

Posted by: Grandma Bear, August 3rd, 2016, 10:52am; Reply: 14

Quoted from eldave1

I would never pay for advice on a log line.



Ditto...
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 12:34pm; Reply: 15

Quoted from DustinBowcot
He will write a professional log line, that's what he will do. So effing what? If any writer here cannot already do that then I dread to think what the script looks like.

Just another failed writer that believes they can teach other writers how not to fail.


Not true, Dustin.  Many, many writers struggle to put together a "good" logline.  I know I sure do, and judging by the countless examples of horrendous loglines right here on SS, I'd have to imagine many do struggle.

Now, to pay for a logline?  Pay someone who hasn't even read the script?  Pay up front before agreeing that the logline works?  That's going to be very difficult to stomach.
Posted by: eldave1, August 3rd, 2016, 12:48pm; Reply: 16

Quoted from Dreamscale


Not true, Dustin.  Many, many writers struggle to put together a "good" logline.  I know I sure do, and judging by the countless examples of horrendous loglines right here on SS, I'd have to imagine many do struggle.

Now, to pay for a logline?  Pay someone who hasn't even read the script?  Pay up front before agreeing that the logline works?  That's going to be very difficult to stomach.


Jeff, curious as to your point of view here. You are an advocate of - if the first page has problems - I'm out. Presumably based on an assumption that if the first page is bad - the rest is crap.

What is it about a logline that would cause you to apply a different standard?
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 1:00pm; Reply: 17

Quoted from eldave1
Jeff, curious as to your point of view here. You are an advocate of - if the first page has problems - I'm out. Presumably based on an assumption that if the first page is bad - the rest is crap.

What is it about a logline that would cause you to apply a different standard?


Dave, I don't apply a different standard to loglines.  As I said, so many loglines on SS are literally laugh out loud terrible...so I know what will follow will be as well.

But, then again, there are poor loglines that are written quite well, in which it's hard to impossible to really get much about what is going to follow.

Does that make sense or not?

Posted by: eldave1, August 3rd, 2016, 1:20pm; Reply: 18

"....there are poor log lines that are written quite well....". To you, that doesn't mean poor stories are too follow? i.e., the writer' fundamental problem is not with log lines - it's with writing?

I mean, I get it - that a logline might be perfectly formatted, but is bad in terms of conveying a need to read. I just don't get how that is any different than page 1 of a script in your view.

Anyway - cheers.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), August 3rd, 2016, 1:59pm; Reply: 19
What I mean is that some or many writers have trouble creating a logline.

It could be a great script but the writer may just have issues conveying that in a 1 or 2 line log.

As for the writing itself, whether it be a script or logline...well...IMO, it's very, very easy to tell who knows how to write and who doesn't and I'm not interested in reading a poorly written script...unless it's hilariously bad, as in a pisser, whether it's on purpose or not.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Dressel, August 3rd, 2016, 2:53pm; Reply: 20
Add this to the growing list of ways that screenwriters get duped into giving someone their money to "make it" quicker.

This guy may be a champion at writing loglines, but there are so many other more worthwhile things you could be spending your money on.  As pointed out in entries above, a community such as this can easily help mold and shape your logline for free.

Also, what are the costs?  What if you're not satisfied with your logline?  What if you use it to query a bunch of times and you get no results?  How many times is he willing to help perfect it?  How do you measure the success of the logline?  You're basically just taking one person - with limited to no credentials - at their word that the logline he's providing you with is solid.

The chosen three should take their loglines and be happy, but I can't understand paying for this.
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, August 3rd, 2016, 3:10pm; Reply: 21
Lots of people struggle with loglines as proved with people asking for help on here, Stage 32, reddit etc... they can be tricky to write until it clicks for you.

Lots of people on here don't struggle with them, so they wont be using his services. No one is forcing anyone to use this service or any other paid screenriting service.

As far as I understand it he's testing the water and hasn't launched a service as yet, so there's no prices or anything else, but market research is always a good idea.

For what it's worth I thought he did a decent job with the logline he provided me, based on a 1 page treatment... so if I was rubbish at loglines and I thought his service cost effective then I MIGHT use it.

Of course there are already a load of people out there offering this exact service so who knows if there's enough business out there.
Posted by: TonyDionisio, August 3rd, 2016, 5:26pm; Reply: 22
Learning how to write a logline is part of learning to write your script.
Posted by: Erica, August 10th, 2016, 8:44am; Reply: 23

Quoted from TonyDionisio
Learning how to write a logline is part of learning to write your script.


I agree, I think that's one of the most over looked part of the process that a lot of new writers don't bother with.  Loglines are tough to write (at first), until you get a better understanding of them. Of course loglines are very important if you want people to read your script.  

Part of the problem I believe is a lot of new writers finish their first script, don't put any thought or research into writing a logline because they are too busy writing their acceptance speech for the Oscars and picking out a new sports car.  Writing a script is not a get rich quick scheme like many new writers think.  It can take years.

Without a good logline, it's like placing your car on the corner of a busy street with no signs at all while trying to sell it.  You're not going to get inquiries about the car for sales if people don't know it's for sale and there is no number to call you.

Posted by: Demento, August 10th, 2016, 9:46am; Reply: 24
I'm offering my tagline services for free to the first three that post. After the first three the price is 98.99$ per tagline.

Think of it like this. You can't put a logline on a POSTER! You can't put it in the trailer! The TAGLINE is where it's at!

But seriously, don't play someone for one sentence.
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