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Posted by: SAC, October 4th, 2019, 6:15pm
It’s close to midnight in a seemingly ordinary suburban home, and the annual Halloween party is over. But for this particular couple, the clean-up is only the beginning of their misfortune. For after the floors are swept and the last dish is washed, a new nightmare awaits.

A Scream is heard. It could be loud. It could be barely audible. But one thing is certain – it came from inside the house. Oh, another thing is certain, too…

Only one of them heard it.

Your October 2019 One Week Challenge Theme and Genre are:

Theme: The Halloween After-Party
Genre: Horror *

You have one week to write a screenplay between 8 and 12 pages. Your screenplay must be properly formatted (12 pt courier font) and submitted as a PDF. Scripts are due Friday, October 11 at 11:59 EST and must be submitted to: https://simplyscripts.com/owc

There will be a Writer’s Choice wherein only the participants will be asked to vote for their favorite scripts. Writer’s are encouraged to read as many scripts as they can before voting. Your favorite script might just be one you did not read.

*All horror sub-genres are welcome (psychological, slasher, creature, etc.)

Writer’s Choice and writers will be revealed October 18, 2019

So…

•     8 to 12 pages
•     Properly formatted, saved as PDF
•     Free to submit
•     One entry per person
•     You can revise your script as much as you like prior to submitting
•     Please read as many scripts as you can
•     Do not put your real name on your script. This is an anonymous challenge. Only use your real name when submitting
•     Please put © Copyright 2019 on your title page

And Good Luck!!
Posted by: AnthonyCawood, October 4th, 2019, 6:23pm; Reply: 1
Interesting...
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 6:27pm; Reply: 2
Well...that's pretty open, huh?  Stevie will hate it.  HA!

But, I like it.  So I guess I'm in.
Posted by: Zack, October 4th, 2019, 6:42pm; Reply: 3
Sweet! I love it. I'm gonna bring the blood and guts for this one. ;D

So it just has to take place at a Halloween after party and the genre is horror. Besides that, no restrictions?
Posted by: SAC, October 4th, 2019, 6:48pm; Reply: 4

Quoted from Zack
Sweet! I love it. I'm gonna bring the blood and guts for this one. ;D

So it just has to take place at a Halloween after party and the genre is horror. Besides that, no restrictions?


Yes, and there has to be a scream and only one of them hears it.
Posted by: LC, October 4th, 2019, 7:01pm; Reply: 5
Wow, the announcement was early. I usually have to wait until afternoon on a Saturday in Oz and I was barely even out of bed when this one popped up.

Steve, you mention a couple which technically is two people. Does this couple have to be a married couple or can it just be two people, unrelated etc? And, are we restricted in cast numbers, meaning these two plus whatever made that scream and obviously the thing that elicited that scream?

Other miscellaneous questions:
Why were you and Rene talking about umbrellas, and what was with the deer droppings? ;D

Clarifying one more thing: It's set after a Halloween party, not a Halloween after-party? Jeez, I'm confusing myself now.
Posted by: SAC, October 4th, 2019, 7:09pm; Reply: 6
Okay. Couple. They could be married, or engaged or just living together. But they must be a couple, not brother and sister or anything. Hmm, brother and sister... ;D

Cast is open. Personally, I’d keep it to a minimum for filming reasons.

Absolutely no umbrellas or deer droppings here. I believe that was all a ruse, but I went with it.

Yes, my initial vision is “after” a Halloween party has ended.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 7:13pm; Reply: 7
The couple can obviously have children, correct?

Can the action leave the house?

And, can it be set in a "tiny house"?   ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: SAC, October 4th, 2019, 7:17pm; Reply: 8

Quoted from Dreamscale
The couple can obviously have children, correct?

Can the action leave the house?

And, can it be set in a "tiny house"?   ;D ;D ;D


Sure, they can have octuplets if you want. The action can leave the house.

And they can live in a tiny house, but you are required to provide them a “tiny horse.”
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 4th, 2019, 7:20pm; Reply: 9

Quoted from SAC
.

Absolutely no umbrellas or deer droppings here.

I don't know about anyone else, but if someone screamed while seeing and/or walking on deer poo after a Halloween party and fled out into the rain forgetting their umbrella... ;D
Posted by: LC, October 4th, 2019, 7:22pm; Reply: 10
Somebody please define the rules on horror, cause I wrote a script in the WT with blood oozing from orifices, a plane crash and a character leaving a baby to die but it wasn't horrific (horror) enough. That led me to think most of you equate horror with gore?
Posted by: SAC, October 4th, 2019, 7:24pm; Reply: 11

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley

I don't know about anyone else, but if someone screamed while seeing and/or walking on deer poo after a Halloween party and fled out into the rain forgetting their umbrella... ;D


How would the deer poop get inside the house?
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 4th, 2019, 7:26pm; Reply: 12

Quoted from SAC


How would the deer poop get inside the house?


Hence why someone would scream.
Or the house was one of off grid homes out in the middle of the countryside.
Or...

KILLER MUTANT DEER ON A RAMPAGE
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 7:33pm; Reply: 13

Quoted from LC
Somebody please define the rules on horror, cause I wrote a script in the WT with blood oozing from orifices, a plane crash and a character leaving a baby to die but it wasn't horrific (horror) enough. That led me to think most of you equate horror with gore?


Horror has absolutely nothing to with gore.  It can contain gore, and many times does, but as a defining element, gore has no home here.
Posted by: LC, October 4th, 2019, 7:37pm; Reply: 14
I agree... So, define what you believe equates to horror.

Maybe I'll just write the sequel to Mother. That was definitely a horror.
Posted by: Zack, October 4th, 2019, 7:45pm; Reply: 15
Got my idea and I'm running with it. Good luck to all. ;D
Posted by: Zack, October 4th, 2019, 7:47pm; Reply: 16

Quoted from LC
Somebody please define the rules on horror, cause I wrote a script in the WT with blood oozing from orifices, a plane crash and a character leaving a baby to die but it wasn't horrific (horror) enough. That led me to think most of you equate horror with gore?


To me, horror is something that is scary or at least trying to be scary. Simple as that.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 7:54pm; Reply: 17

Quoted from LC
I agree... So, define what you believe equates to horror.

Maybe I'll just write the sequel to Mother. That was definitely a horror.


That was definitely a "horrible" movie, but it was not horror.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 7:56pm; Reply: 18

Quoted from Zack


Too me, horror is something that is scary or at least trying to be scary. Simple as that.


Scary, as in "horrific", which is a few notches above just "scary".

The characters/character in a horror script, are/is put through or goes through horrific things, and as the audience, hopefully, we feel their horror, as well as the horror in the piece.

Posted by: Mr. Blonde, October 4th, 2019, 7:57pm; Reply: 19

Quoted from LC
Maybe I'll just write the sequel to Mother. That was definitely a horror.


Mother! was a comedy. The movie was funny as all hell and it was a blast and definitely NOT horror.
Posted by: LC, October 4th, 2019, 8:18pm; Reply: 20
Yep, when I said it was a horror I meant like Jeff said that it was a truly horrible mishmash of filmmaking. Glad you  enjoyed it, Sean. Horses for courses.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 8:50pm; Reply: 21
Shockingly, I have my story in my head and even more shockingly, I'm even mapping out scenes already.

Oh boy...I can't wait to see the hate of this one!  Bring it on me!!!
Posted by: MikeCashman, October 4th, 2019, 9:41pm; Reply: 22
Please tell me if I am wrong.  The theme is Halloween After Party.  In the description, it says the party is over, after they are done cleaning the dishes and the last room is swept, a scream is heard.  It is only the couple in the house, or is it?

I have a great script for this one.  I just want to make sure I am reading this correctly.

I look forward to reading everyone's entries.
Posted by: SAC, October 4th, 2019, 9:51pm; Reply: 23

Quoted from MikeCashman
Please tell me if I am wrong.  The theme is Halloween After Party.  In the description, it says the party is over, after they are done cleaning the dishes and the last room is swept, a scream is heard.  It is only the couple in the house, or is it?

I have a great script for this one.  I just want to make sure I am reading this correctly.

I look forward to reading everyone's entries.


Mike, it sounds like you’re ticking all the boxes.
Posted by: MikeCashman, October 4th, 2019, 9:57pm; Reply: 24
Steven Clark:  Ticking all the boxes?
Posted by: Zack, October 4th, 2019, 10:31pm; Reply: 25

Quoted from Dreamscale
Shockingly, I have my story in my head and even more shockingly, I'm even mapping out scenes already.

Oh boy...I can't wait to see the hate of this one!  Bring it on me!!!


My idea hit me practically right away. I'm not gonna score any points for originality, but I'm having an absolute blast writing it. ;D

Awesome challenge, Steven!
Posted by: Zack, October 4th, 2019, 10:50pm; Reply: 26
Does the scream need to take place at the start? Or can it happen a page or two into the script?
Posted by: Don, October 4th, 2019, 11:06pm; Reply: 27
Steve,

Just want to clarify, the couple.  Do they have to be monogamous, Christian heterosexual couple? Or, is there some wiggle room there?

Don
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 11:07pm; Reply: 28

Quoted from Zack
Does the scream need to take place at the start? Or can it happen a page or two into the script?


based on what Steven gave us, as long as it's "before midnight", I think anywhere is good, personally.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 11:08pm; Reply: 29

Quoted from MikeCashman
Please tell me if I am wrong.  The theme is Halloween After Party.  In the description, it says the party is over, after they are done cleaning the dishes and the last room is swept, a scream is heard.  It is only the couple in the house, or is it?

I have a great script for this one.  I just want to make sure I am reading this correctly.

I look forward to reading everyone's entries.


IMO, there's no need to worry about what level of cleaning they are on or have already partook,

End of a party.  A couple...at least - Steven already said there can be unlimited characters and children.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 4th, 2019, 11:09pm; Reply: 30

Quoted from Don
Steve,

Just want to clarify, the couple.  Do they have to be monogamous, Christian heterosexual couple? Or, is there some wiggle room there?

Don


wiggle, wiggle...you know we'll get it.  Maybe even from me!   8) 8) 8)

Posted by: SAC, October 5th, 2019, 3:30am; Reply: 31

Quoted from Zack
Does the scream need to take place at the start? Or can it happen a page or two into the script?


That’s fine.
Posted by: Zack, October 5th, 2019, 4:09am; Reply: 32
First draft is done. Feeling pretty good about what I've got. Gonna go pass out now. ;D
Posted by: SAC, October 5th, 2019, 6:27am; Reply: 33

Quoted from Don
Steve,

Just want to clarify, the couple.  Do they have to be monogamous, Christian heterosexual couple? Or, is there some wiggle room there?

Don


It does not have to be your traditional couple.
Posted by: Anon, October 5th, 2019, 6:52am; Reply: 34
Sounds good. But I have to check. I’m assuming all types of horror are on the table. So horror/thriller. Horror/comedy. Point being it’s not totally confined to supernatural scares? It is a huge category. And if the straight-horror police aren’t on patrol my ideas can be free to explore their potential!
Posted by: SAC, October 5th, 2019, 7:09am; Reply: 35

Quoted from Anon
Sounds good. But I have to check. I’m assuming all types of horror are on the table. So horror/thriller. Horror/comedy. Point being it’s not totally confined to supernatural scares? It is a huge category. And if the straight-horror police aren’t on patrol my ideas can be free to explore their potential!


Good point. All good horrors should have elements of other genres such as comedy/drama/romance, without them taking over the story. At the end of the day there should be no mistake - it’s Horror. And it’s scary as opposed to “laugh out loud funny.”
Posted by: Anon, October 5th, 2019, 7:10am; Reply: 36

Quoted from MikeCashman
Steven Clark:  Ticking all the boxes?


I’m assuming you’re American and Steve is UK based like me. Ticking = checking as in check things off the list.

So he means you’re hitting the brief!

Posted by: SAC, October 5th, 2019, 7:14am; Reply: 37

Quoted from MikeCashman
Please tell me if I am wrong.  The theme is Halloween After Party.  In the description, it says the party is over, after they are done cleaning the dishes and the last room is swept, a scream is heard.  It is only the couple in the house, or is it?

I have a great script for this one.  I just want to make sure I am reading this correctly.

I look forward to reading everyone's entries.


Yes, you read everything correctly.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 5th, 2019, 9:09am; Reply: 38
I haven’t written anything for quite a while, and nothing decent for a v long time, but I am glad to say my old habits haven’t gone away.

I’m Way over thinking this...my head hurts. And I still haven’t got a lead. ??)
Posted by: khamanna, October 5th, 2019, 4:29pm; Reply: 39
Can the couple be something other than humans?
Posted by: khamanna, October 5th, 2019, 4:31pm; Reply: 40
And very nice challenge, Steve!
Posted by: SAC, October 5th, 2019, 4:43pm; Reply: 41

Quoted from khamanna
Can the couple be something other than humans?


Like what? Aliens?
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 5th, 2019, 5:14pm; Reply: 42

Quoted from SAC


Like what? Aliens?


Aliens, Vampires, ghosts, Franky and his bride  etc I think is where they were going.
Since you say "couple" I think that's open for interpretation, so long as they are a couple.
Anyway, there's something said about the guidelines which is open for interpretation,
and I'm starting my outline using said exploitation. Actually, I'd be stunned if at least one other joker other than myself had the same thought regarding this exploit.

I'll think I'l PM you on the exploitation.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 5th, 2019, 5:42pm; Reply: 43

Quoted from khamanna
Can the couple be something other than humans?


Really?  C'mon now, peeps.

Posted by: irish eyes, October 5th, 2019, 5:42pm; Reply: 44
Does only one person hear the scream because the other one was vacuuming in another room?
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 5th, 2019, 5:57pm; Reply: 45

Quoted from irish eyes
Does only one person hear the scream because the other one was vacuuming in another room?


It's because 1 of the couple has to be deaf.
Posted by: Warren, October 5th, 2019, 7:19pm; Reply: 46
I'll be sitting this one out. Will try read as a many of them as I can. I think I read that only people taking part will be able to score so I I'll just read and comment.

Hope to read some cracking scripts :)
Posted by: irish eyes, October 5th, 2019, 7:23pm; Reply: 47

Quoted from Dreamscale
It's because 1 of the couple has to be deaf.


Yeah I was gonna go down that road but I figure every other script might have a deaf person.
I can only see mine come out as a comedy ;D   Trying hard for horror ;D
Posted by: stevie, October 5th, 2019, 7:43pm; Reply: 48
I’m out too as my feature is the priority right now (very excited about it as it’s pretty high concept and could be the one lol)

Will read AMAP entries too
Posted by: SAC, October 5th, 2019, 8:42pm; Reply: 49

Quoted from irish eyes
Does only one person hear the scream because the other one was vacuuming in another room?


If u so please
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 5th, 2019, 8:46pm; Reply: 50

Quoted from stevie
I’m out too

Will read AMAP entries too


SHOCKER!!!!!

Posted by: SAC, October 5th, 2019, 9:00pm; Reply: 51

Quoted from khamanna
Can the couple be something other than humans?


But in all seriousness, I never specified humans but that’s kinda what I was thinking. So humans.  :D
Posted by: Zack, October 5th, 2019, 9:28pm; Reply: 52
It goes without saying that I'm loving this challenge. I hope you guys have as much fun reading as I had writing. Lol ;D

Can't wait to see how everyone else approached this challenge.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 6th, 2019, 5:59am; Reply: 53
Hello

Silly question time, and I don’t think it has been asked so far.

It’s a question re timeline.

The main script has to be set after the party etc, and this is core to the criteria, but can we move around with the time, like flash forwards, flash backwards?

I would like to say this will help my script a lot, but since I have nothing but a selection of appalling ideas, it’s not guaranteed.

Ta
Posted by: ChrisBodily, October 6th, 2019, 7:18am; Reply: 54
I haven't put words on a page yet, but I do have an idea and title mapped out.
Posted by: SAC, October 6th, 2019, 8:38am; Reply: 55

Quoted from Reef Dreamer


It’s a question re timeline.

The main script has to be set after the party etc, and this is core to the criteria, but can we move around with the time, like flash forwards, flash backwards?


Good question.

I’d say only if it’s essential to your story. Sure.
Posted by: ReneC, October 6th, 2019, 12:31pm; Reply: 56
I haven't come up with anything original yet. Every idea has been done a thousand times before. But I'll get something.
Posted by: Zack, October 6th, 2019, 12:59pm; Reply: 57

Quoted from ReneC
I haven't come up with anything original yet. Every idea has been done a thousand times before. But I'll get something.


Screw trying to be original. Just write a fun horror script.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 6th, 2019, 8:38pm; Reply: 58
It's very quiet here.  WTF?
Posted by: SAC, October 6th, 2019, 8:50pm; Reply: 59

Quoted from Dreamscale
It's very quiet here.  WTF?


I just took it as it’s the weekend and everyone’s busy doing real life stuff. That or we’re only getting three entries!
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 6th, 2019, 9:23pm; Reply: 60
As I started to write, I found me another loophole in the OWC, and I'm going to exploit it.
Hopefully peeps will too.
Posted by: Zack, October 6th, 2019, 9:29pm; Reply: 61
Slight oversight on my part. Forgot the scream had to come from INSIDE the house. Gotta rethink this now.
Posted by: SAC, October 6th, 2019, 9:48pm; Reply: 62

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley
As I started to write, I found me another loophole in the OWC, and I'm going to exploit it.
Hopefully peeps will too.


To clarify...

One couple cleaning up.
One scream.
Only one of them hears it.

So...

Uncle Billy Bob could be passed out on the couch and Aunt Matilda could be taking a crap upstairs on the toilet. There is no character limit.

If that helps people that’s great. I’d figure peeps would take creative initiative and run wild! Hope you all do. :D
Posted by: SAC, October 6th, 2019, 9:49pm; Reply: 63

Quoted from Zack
Slight oversight on my part. Forgot the scream had to come from INSIDE the house. Gotta rethink this now.


You will.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 6th, 2019, 9:53pm; Reply: 64

Quoted from SAC


I just took it as it’s the weekend and everyone’s busy doing real life stuff. That or we’re only getting three entries!


Well, we'll have 1 from Zack and 1 from me, so minimum of 2!  HA!!   ;D ;D ;D

Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 6th, 2019, 10:04pm; Reply: 65
Don't worry. People always bow out, but somehow, they just magically manage to enter a script. Me? No. I'm way too busy for this shit!  ;)
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 6th, 2019, 10:12pm; Reply: 66

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Don't worry. People always bow out, but somehow, they just magically manage to enter a script. Me? No. I'm way too busy for this shit!  ;)


This "shit"?  WTF?  Pia, we need the old blood in here.  October is the classic OWC.

You need tp get your Swedish rump in this gig.  You get me?

Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 6th, 2019, 10:38pm; Reply: 67

Quoted from SAC



Uncle Billy Bob could be passed out on the couch and Aunt Matilda could be taking a crap upstairs on the toilet. There is no character limit.

If that helps people that’s great. I’d figure peeps would take creative initiative and run wild! Hope you all do. :D


If ol' Auntie Matilda does the scream while taking a dump...
well, I won't write that.
Posted by: SAC, October 6th, 2019, 10:41pm; Reply: 68

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


If ol' Auntie Matilda does the scream while taking a dump...
well, I won't write that.


I would. ;D
Posted by: JEStaats, October 6th, 2019, 10:45pm; Reply: 69
Count me in. Been watching this silently from the sidelines until something sparked. It's a weak flicker but, damn, I'll call it a spark. Maybe it's a stroke. There's a story there...

So far, this looks like the first time I'm going to watch the page count. It's going longer than expected. Time to trim some fat!
Posted by: ChrisBodily, October 7th, 2019, 7:08am; Reply: 70
Just finished reading over my first draft. Pretty good for a first draft. I haven't really looked over typos and spell checking yet. The story flows quite well and I love my characters.

Obviously, there's plenty more work to do, but I'm off to a nice start.
Posted by: FrankM, October 7th, 2019, 11:08am; Reply: 71

Quoted from Dreamscale
It's very quiet here.  WTF?


I think this means you're the one who didn't hear the scream.
Posted by: Anon, October 7th, 2019, 1:33pm; Reply: 72

Quoted from Zack


Screw trying to be original. Just write a fun horror script.


Indeed. I was worrying about originality but screw it. Halloween is fun - so I'm in.
Posted by: ReneC, October 7th, 2019, 1:38pm; Reply: 73
Yeah, I came up with something fun. I'll write it later today and see how it turns out.
Posted by: SAC, October 7th, 2019, 1:53pm; Reply: 74

Quoted from Anon


Indeed. I was worrying about originality but screw it. Halloween is fun - so I'm in.


Now we’re talkin
Posted by: Kevin_L, October 7th, 2019, 4:01pm; Reply: 75

Quoted from ChrisBodily
Just finished reading over my first draft. Pretty good for a first draft. I haven't really looked over typos and spell checking yet. The story flows quite well and I love my characters.

Obviously, there's plenty more work to do, but I'm off to a nice start.


What you just said, made me start having flashbacks. I posted something similar to what you said.  Which you've been around, this is for any newbies entering. Try not to make stupid mistakes, and don't assume as I did.  It's nothing like regular SS.  This is the first review my eyes landed on about my script.

Quoted Text

Logline has me worried, as this is supposed to be a comedy and we know a dog is going to die?    Well...again, let's see.

Title page very poor, as you didn't take the time or effort to delete the garbage on there.

You don't have your pages numbered, which is a problem, and you didn't take the time or effort to delete Page 6, which just looks sloppy.

OH boy - opening Slug has a time element of "CONTINUOUS"?  WTF?  Horrible beginning.

Writing style is very irritating right away.  You're using a smartass sort of vibe and it ain't working.  You've used, "we watch", "close on", and "we see", all in 1st 4 passages.

Wow, so many mistakes, spelling, punctuation, proper English.  Not good.

Sorry, but this is so poorly written, it's almost like I'm reading a pisser that is written as poorly as possible for comedic effect.

Terrible.  The tone is completely fucked.  The writing is awful.  This kind of thing actually pisses me off.

Story - weak and dumb

Characters - poor

Dialogue - awful

Prose - lowest possible score

Criteria - barely in a sewer.  In fact, it's so minimal, I'm not even going to give you the points for it, as this script doesn't warrant more than a 1.0 score, and that's pushing it.



I had heartburn for three days after reading that.   Take my advice, and you won't wake up
to one of these.   Just kidding, you probably will.   Lol.  
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 7th, 2019, 5:49pm; Reply: 76
Kevin,

Everybody gets the Jeff special. It's like going to Denny's. In the end, no matter what you order, you're getting some variation of the Grand Slam.

Not saying you didn't deserve it. You may have, you may not. I've gotten it both ways, deserved and undeserved. (Maybe I should say it this way: some I've agreed with, some I haven't.)

I'm just saying, you can't judge the OWC experience on a Dreamscale review.

But, I agree. If you're going to survive a OWC, you do need to have a plan for surviving his reviews. The first couple hit pretty hard. After that, you learn better where to categorize them.

PK
Posted by: Anon, October 7th, 2019, 6:24pm; Reply: 77
Kevin,

Only time I entered the same person trashed my script completely. Said I didn’t know how to write screenplays then argued with anyone that thought different. That script won.

Take whatever he says with a more than a pinch of salt. And if you want his approval - just write industry standard format with NO WRILIES!! 🙂
Posted by: Kevin_L, October 7th, 2019, 6:43pm; Reply: 78

Quoted from PKCardinal
Kevin,

Everybody gets the Jeff special. It's like going to Denny's. In the end, no matter what you order, you're getting some variation of the Grand Slam.

Not saying you didn't deserve it. You may have, you may not. I've gotten it both ways, deserved and undeserved. (Maybe I should say it this way: some I've agreed with, some I haven't.)

I'm just saying, you can't judge the OWC experience on a Dreamscale review.

But, I agree. If you're going to survive a OWC, you do need to have a plan for surviving his reviews. The first couple hit pretty hard. After that, you learn better where to categorize them.

PK

Hey Pk,

Mine was on the deserved side of things.  The main point I was trying to get across is just making sure you put your best foot forward. Which most people will.   I wasn't trying to scare anyone off or meaning it's some slaughter-fest. That's my fault for not elaborating better.   I posted that one cause
it touched on the really dumb mistakes I made.  My apologies if I made it sound that way.

All the best!

Posted by: Zack, October 7th, 2019, 6:54pm; Reply: 79
You don't have to agree with Jeff, but at least he's honest. Brutally honest. But Hell, that's what makes him funny. ;D
Posted by: Kevin_L, October 7th, 2019, 7:14pm; Reply: 80

Quoted from Anon
Kevin,

Only time I entered the same person trashed my script completely. Said I didn’t know how to write screenplays then argued with anyone that thought different. That script won.

Take whatever he says with a more than a pinch of salt. And if you want his approval - just write industry standard format with NO WRILIES!! 🙂


I can't say the same . Everyone agreed with him for the most part.  Lol.  
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 7th, 2019, 7:46pm; Reply: 81
Jeff has been around here a long time and may have read more scripts than anyone else. At least features. He used to be quite the reader! I think of Jeff kind of like that uncle that shows up at family gatherings, rough around the edges, tends to drink too much and stubborn as hell. Some family members wish he wouldn't come to these gatherings, but at the same time, everyone would miss him if he didn't show up for Christmas dinner.  :D
Posted by: FrankM, October 7th, 2019, 7:48pm; Reply: 82

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Jeff has been around here a long time and may have read more scripts than anyone else. At least features. He used to be quite the reader! I think of Jeff kind of like that uncle that shows up at family gatherings, rough around the edges, tends to drink too much and stubborn as hell. Some family members wish he wouldn't come to these gatherings, but at the same time, everyone would miss him if he didn't show up for Christmas dinner.  :D


Why the hell is my Uncle Bruce calling himself Jeff now?
Posted by: JEStaats, October 7th, 2019, 8:01pm; Reply: 83
I've said it before and will say it again: I look forward to Jeff's review every single OWC. I don't always agree but have learned a lot from him. Let's not start a OWC without giving him the chance to piss someone off.

Come on, buddy. Push my buttons!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 7th, 2019, 8:38pm; Reply: 84

Quoted from Anon
Kevin,

Only time I entered the same person trashed my script completely. Said I didn’t know how to write screenplays then argued with anyone that thought different. That script won.

Take whatever he says with a more than a pinch of salt. And if you want his approval - just write industry standard format with NO WRILIES!! 🙂


What OWC was that and which was your winning script?  I'd like to revisit it.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 7th, 2019, 8:39pm; Reply: 85
Uncle Jeff.  Hey, that's better than Grandpa Jeff.
Posted by: ReneC, October 7th, 2019, 9:24pm; Reply: 86
Fucking 12-page limit. I'm on page 6 and maybe a third of the way in. I'm going to have to gut this thing when I'm done.

As for Jeff's colourful reviews, I love them. One thing Uncle Jeff does well is weed out the thin-skinned. I don't agree with much of what he says, but he calls it as he sees it and his point of view is legitimate. He's part of the audience, and his voice should be heard, and if you can't handle what he says you're probably better off doing something else. Because I promise you, Uncle Jeff is not the worst you will hear.
Posted by: Anon, October 8th, 2019, 4:26am; Reply: 87

Quoted from Dreamscale


What OWC was that and which was your winning script?  I'd like to revisit it.



The script was called A BEAUTIFUL DAY

It was the no dialogue challenge.
Posted by: Anon, October 8th, 2019, 4:33am; Reply: 88

Quoted from ReneC
Fucking 12-page limit. I'm on page 6 and maybe a third of the way in. I'm going to have to gut this thing when I'm done.

As for Jeff's colourful reviews, I love them. One thing Uncle Jeff does well is weed out the thin-skinned. I don't agree with much of what he says, but he calls it as he sees it and his point of view is legitimate. He's part of the audience, and his voice should be heard, and if you can't handle what he says you're probably better off doing something else. Because I promise you, Uncle Jeff is not the worst you will hear.


I also like Jeff's reviews! Enjoy them even. I just think it's good to point out that you shouldn't let his candour knock your confidence - or affect you emotionally - like it obviously did Kevin. You should do what we do - enjoy the colourful reviews. And enjoy disagreeing with them! That's basically what forums are for
Posted by: SAC, October 8th, 2019, 7:38am; Reply: 89

Quoted from ReneC
Fucking 12-page limit. I'm on page 6 and maybe a third of the way in. I'm going to have to gut this thing when I'm done.


I struggled briefly with the page limit. First it was 6-10, then 7-11, but in the end it was 12 page limit because I wanted to give everyone the space to explore their ideas even if it meant a bunch of longer scripts.

Posted by: SAC, October 8th, 2019, 7:41am; Reply: 90
I mean, really explore the space!
Posted by: SAC, October 8th, 2019, 7:49am; Reply: 91
And as far as Jeff’s reviews go, what can I say? They’re colorful and I, for one, would always anxiously await to see if he’d trash me or not. At the end of the day, I think Jeff takes writing so seriously that if he spots a poorly written script it almost an insult to him. As in, the writer didn’t take the time necessary to polish it and make it the best it could be. That’s fair. Other times he’s (we’re) not taking into account this could be a new writer - and I’ve seen a lot of SS regulars able to spot that and leave reviews that are toned-down and helpful.
Posted by: Zack, October 8th, 2019, 8:57am; Reply: 92

Quoted from SAC
I mean, really explore the space!


This challenge is really great, but I have to be honest. I could really use some more cowbell. :D
Posted by: ReneC, October 8th, 2019, 9:13am; Reply: 93

Quoted from SAC


I struggled briefly with the page limit. First it was 6-10, then 7-11, but in the end it was 12 page limit because I wanted to give everyone the space to explore their ideas even if it meant a bunch of longer scripts.



12 pages is more than reasonable. I'm just grumpy because I like what I have and it's going too long.  ;D
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 8th, 2019, 9:23am; Reply: 94

Quoted from Anon


The script was called A BEAUTIFUL DAY

It was the no dialogue challenge.


Thanks.

I reread it, and I stand by my comments.  It was well written for sure, but the style on display annoyed me for some reason.  The biggest issue for me was the ending, as I said several times.  It just didn't make sense to me that a guy would torture and/or kill someone like that, even if he thought she was drunk and caused his partner's death.  I also think on film it would not play out as you and the readers who loved it think...unless it was rewritten with some changes to the end.

But, again, it was unique read and well written, so good on you.

Posted by: Anon, October 8th, 2019, 11:34am; Reply: 95

Quoted from Dreamscale


Thanks.

I reread it, and I stand by my comments.  It was well written for sure, but the style on display annoyed me for some reason.  The biggest issue for me was the ending, as I said several times.  It just didn't make sense to me that a guy would torture and/or kill someone like that, even if he thought she was drunk and caused his partner's death.  I also think on film it would not play out as you and the readers who loved it think...unless it was rewritten with some changes to the end.

But, again, it was unique read and well written, so good on you.



Cheers. And talking of killing  ... I better get on with my Halloween entry mwahahahaha!
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 8th, 2019, 12:58pm; Reply: 96
Nothing comes to me this time. I fear I have to go search for something now.

My initial thoughts began at the incident, the scream. And I found/find nothing original there. Maybe a horse and cart thing… just clueless atm.
Posted by: SAC, October 8th, 2019, 1:53pm; Reply: 97

Quoted from PrussianMosby
Nothing comes to me this time. I fear I have to go search for something now.

My initial thoughts began at the incident, the scream. And I found/find nothing original there. Maybe a horse and cart thing… just clueless atm.


Your characters backstories can be anything. Anything. The scream could be anything.

Explore the space!
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 8th, 2019, 2:28pm; Reply: 98

Quoted from SAC


Your characters backstories can be anything. Anything. The scream could be anything.

Explore the space!


I'll do my best ;-) and otherwise will take the reader only ticket for sure

Then it all sounds so bourgeois-ly boring; couple in a suburban house; I mean, that's what you do when things go the "usual route" in life. I know there are possibilities but just at the look at this...

And, sorry to probably annoy you, as I did with the bunch of foregone OWC hosts… but is there a possibility to extend the timeframe for reading ??? more than 15-20 in a week is just hard for me to do every read justice... ;D smiley out
Posted by: SAC, October 8th, 2019, 2:58pm; Reply: 99

Quoted from PrussianMosby

And, sorry to probably annoy you, as I did with the bunch of foregone OWC hosts… but is there a possibility to extend the timeframe for reading ??? more than 15-20 in a week is just hard for me to do every read justice... ;D smiley out


I thought about that. We’ll see how many entries we get.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 8th, 2019, 3:08pm; Reply: 100
The problem with extended read times is that after a week, peeps lose interest and the thread goes very quiet.

IMO, it's always exciting to see who wrote what and how the voting goes, and a week even feels pretty long.
Posted by: JEStaats, October 8th, 2019, 3:21pm; Reply: 101
I vote commitment to the seven day review rule. Read as many as you can and review appropriately. I may never have been an elaborate critic/reviewer but I usually get them all read.

I agree that prolonging the review period promotes disinterest. We're in this for the thrill, right?
Posted by: ReneC, October 8th, 2019, 3:32pm; Reply: 102
Some October OWCs have had over 40 entries. No way I'm reading that many in a week. 20-something, I will try to squeeze that in.
Posted by: Anon, October 8th, 2019, 4:14pm; Reply: 103
Speaking as an entrant - I wouldn’t want over to wait over the week either.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 8th, 2019, 4:14pm; Reply: 104

Quoted from ReneC
Some October OWCs have had over 40 entries. No way I'm reading that many in a week. 20-something, I will try to squeeze that in.


Read what you can, comment on what you feel like.  Vote for mine.

Simple.

Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 8th, 2019, 4:34pm; Reply: 105

Quoted from Dreamscale
The problem with extended read times is that after a week, peeps lose interest and the thread goes very quiet.


I know, I know... just speaking in my own interest here (and part of a clear minority I think),,, I know that :B.

Anyway, usually I'm one of those few who clock in during the very last days of week two, but, but you know - I then have it done and did it many times like that. Without a breath in the everyday world of one week, the read of a script among dozens of entries could simply not be a qualified read from my side, and my feedback surely would lack substance. And I won't do that but rather would pick scripts by title and slugline, if so...

Not my choice, just annoying the OWC mod :-)
Posted by: LC, October 8th, 2019, 5:24pm; Reply: 106
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure two weeks, sometimes a bit more, is allocated by Don for reads. More than enough imh. As Jeff said, after the initial excitement during the first week things do go quiet. Be nice if that didn't happen but it typically does cause even if everyone who entered hasn't commented (like they should) they've opened every script and had a look, if not a proper read and review.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 8th, 2019, 6:06pm; Reply: 107

Quoted from LC
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure two weeks, sometimes a bit more, is allocated by Don for reads. More than enough imh. As Jeff said, after the initial excitement during the first week things do go quiet. Be nice if that didn't happen but it typically does cause even if everyone who entered hasn't commented (like they should) they've opened every script and had a look, if not a proper read and review.


I think it's usually a week to read and comment, but some have gone longer and that's when the thread and the excitement dies.

Posted by: SAC, October 8th, 2019, 6:33pm; Reply: 108

Quoted from Dreamscale

and the excitement dies.


Like when Jeff’s pants come down and his lady friend finally gets to see what’s what.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 8th, 2019, 6:50pm; Reply: 109

Quoted from SAC


Like when Jeff’s pants come down and his lady friend finally gets to see what’s what.



;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No shit...it's no fun getting old.  Because of my giant belly, I haven't even seen the old guy in quite some time.  Reminds me of that old song about the old gray goose, not being what it used to be.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 8th, 2019, 7:21pm; Reply: 110

Quoted from Anon
Speaking as an entrant - I wouldn’t want over to wait over the week either.


Because we're all impatient and want the results.  :)

However, I know several people who do not enter due to the fact that they know they won't have the time to read all entries in seven days...
Posted by: SAC, October 8th, 2019, 8:33pm; Reply: 111
Yeah, it’s a tough call. I know we all have real jobs and stuff and it’s hard to get all those reads in. I remember my first OWC, October 2013. It was the one with witches and warlocks. We had 50 entries or so. Crazy, I was so stoked I managed to read them all, but that’s just me.

That said, I agree to...wait and see! ;D
Posted by: Zack, October 8th, 2019, 8:58pm; Reply: 112
I'll read as many as I can. That's the best I've got. :)
Posted by: Andrew, October 8th, 2019, 9:49pm; Reply: 113

Quoted from Grandma Bear


Because we're all impatient and want the results.  :)

However, I know several people who do not enter due to the fact that they know they won't have the time to read all entries in seven days...


Agreed.

I'll promise to read everything and then disappear for months on end. So can feel less guilty when I don't enter.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 8th, 2019, 10:14pm; Reply: 114

Quoted from Andrew


Agreed.

I'll promise to read everything and then disappear for months on end. So can feel less guilty when I don't enter.


Andrew, you fucker!  What up?  How's thangs?  Where you been, Wilson?

Posted by: Anon, October 9th, 2019, 2:13am; Reply: 115

Quoted from Grandma Bear


Because we're all impatient and want the results.  :)

However, I know several people who do not enter due to the fact that they know they won't have the time to read all entries in seven days...


Exactly!

But if extended time to read would mean more entries ... then we’d need even MORE time to read them! Caught in an ever expanding reading cycle ... could be an October OWC entry.
Posted by: ChrisBodily, October 9th, 2019, 5:59am; Reply: 116
Just read through my second draft. I'll do at least one more before I submit. I have a few minor things I'm thinking of revising.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 9th, 2019, 6:26am; Reply: 117

Quoted from Anon

But if extended time to read would mean more entries ... then we’d need even MORE time to read them! Caught in an ever expanding reading cycle ... could be an October OWC entry.


Not really, because no one is required to read ALL entries. Nice if people do, but not at all required. A big misconception of the OWC.
Posted by: Anon, October 9th, 2019, 6:47am; Reply: 118

Quoted from Grandma Bear


Not really, because no one is required to read ALL entries. Nice if people do, but not at all required. A big misconception of the OWC.


Oh ... in that case why do people not enter because they can’t read all the entries when they don’t have to read all entries? Confusing.

But no need to answer this. It doesn’t really matter and time wanted/needed to read scripts is different for everyone. This is only the second time i’ve Got involved for a long list of boring time reasons.
Posted by: Andrew, October 9th, 2019, 9:48am; Reply: 119

Quoted from Dreamscale


Andrew, you fucker!  What up?  How's thangs?  Where you been, Wilson?



Jeff, you old dog!

Good, mate, and you?

Entering the OWC?
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 9th, 2019, 11:03am; Reply: 120

Quoted from Andrew


Jeff, you old dog!

Good, mate, and you?

Entering the OWC?


Hanging in there. No fun getting old.  I need to fix my knee, as I've gained 30 pounds, not being able to exercise, but the process has begun, so things should be improving and by the end of the year, I should be back to my "old" self.

Yes, I will be entering this Hallowed OWC.

Posted by: Zack, October 9th, 2019, 11:11am; Reply: 121
Back to the drawing board for me. Lol :P

Oh well. My script will be stronger because of it.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 9th, 2019, 11:56am; Reply: 122

Quoted from Zack
Back to the drawing board for me. Lol :P

Oh well. My script will be stronger because of it.


What happened?

Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 9th, 2019, 12:11pm; Reply: 123
I’m hoping to enter...

Hurdles to over come include how to bloody write one of these things, remembering screenplay format and that my software was deleted, and then ran out of license. Hey ho.

I knew it was a while, but still.

I think this challenge is a bit trickier than first appears, well to me anyway. Some things like ‘after the party’ I have found to be quite restraining, as is the location. It is almost one of the those low budget criteria to help get things filmed. What’s the betting someone wanting to film a script lurks behind this criteria. Probably not, but it has happened before.

What’s been nice for me is that for four years I have been retraining and the evening school element sucked the writing out of me. Last week I finished, which was good timing, and I seem to be more open to having a go.

Anyway, back to business.

Mind you, I do hope folk don’t get too bogged down on the criteria etc (I think mines fine my the way) - it can be shame when great offence is taken when clearly someone did try.
Posted by: SAC, October 9th, 2019, 12:21pm; Reply: 124

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
I’m hoping to enter...

Hurdles to over come include how to bloody write one of these things, remembering screenplay format and that my software was deleted, and then ran out of license. Hey ho.

I knew it was a while, but still.

I think this challenge is a bit trickier than first appears, well to me anyway. Some things like ‘after the party’ I have found to be quite restraining, as is the location. It is almost one of the those low budget criteria to help get things filmed. What’s the betting someone wanting to film a script lurks behind this criteria. Probably not, but it has happened before.

What’s been nice for me is that for four years I have been retraining and the evening school element sucked the writing out of me. Last week I finished, which was good timing, and I seem to be more open to having a go.

Anyway, back to business.

Mind you, I do hope folk don’t get too bogged down on the criteria etc (I think mines fine my the way) - it can be shame when great offence is taken when clearly someone did try.


Bill,

You’re not wrong about filming criteria. Though I have no intention of filming anything, I did provide the criteria - 2 characters (minimum), inside the house - as sort of a guideline with filming in mind. I love seeing these things get produced, and if it came from a challenge I introduced I’d be more than proud.

But like I’ve been saying - explore the space! Want more than two characters? Great! Want the action to move outside the house? That’s fine too.

Just write a good damn script!
Posted by: SAC, October 9th, 2019, 12:26pm; Reply: 125
And no questions you might have about the challenge are dumb or tedious. Feel free to pm as much as u want, or ask here.

I want more loopholes!
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 9th, 2019, 12:36pm; Reply: 126
Fully understood and a decent approach

Personally I will add marks for those including  a deer resting under an umbrella  :D

Now that would be a challenge

As it stands , it’s hard enough for me already. I don’t expect a particularly good  script from me, but hopefully adequate under the circumstances
Posted by: Zack, October 9th, 2019, 12:37pm; Reply: 127

Quoted from Dreamscale


What happened?


I'm dumb and I missed the fact that the scream has to come from inside the house. Lol


Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 9th, 2019, 12:57pm; Reply: 128

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
I’m hoping to enter...

Hurdles to over come include how to bloody write one of these things, remembering screenplay format and that my software was deleted, and then ran out of license. Hey ho.


In case it helps and you have Ms Word… the general standard page margins there are left 1,5" -- top, right and bottom 1" each. If page is adjusted like that you have dialogue name at + 2,3"---
dialogue box is from left +1" to from the right +1,5"

The brackets should be fine with using the tab (indent key).

When you have your elements adjusted once: mark one correctly set element (like say a dialogue box), then watch for the Word upper toolbar in the main surface toolbar – there's a brush -double-click it – then you can copy each element and overwrite the format in the format you originally have marked by just clicking on it… There are great templates from the internet too that I use and do the job differently… but that's another thing.

Then, it's very important to adjust the line distance of the whole document - 12 pt and check the box "exact". Just if you need this shit. It'll at least bring you to standard
Posted by: FrankM, October 9th, 2019, 12:59pm; Reply: 129

Quoted from Zack

I'm dumb and I missed the fact that the scream has to come from inside the house. Lol




It's not as restrictive as it sounds. No matter where he's standing, any time Dr. House screams, the scream is coming from inside the House.

I am almost certainly not going to be in this one. Work stuff isn't helping, but the complete lack of a viable story idea contributed as well  :'(
Posted by: Zack, October 9th, 2019, 2:28pm; Reply: 130
Finally off work! Time to sit down and bust this bad boy out. ;D
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 9th, 2019, 2:42pm; Reply: 131

Quoted from PrussianMosby


In case it helps and you have Ms Word… the general standard page margins there are left 1,5" -- top, right and bottom 1" each. If page is adjusted like that you have dialogue name at + 2,3"---
dialogue box is from left +1" to from the right +1,5"

The brackets should be fine with using the tab (indent key).

When you have your elements adjusted once: mark one correctly set element (like say a dialogue box), then watch for the Word upper toolbar in the main surface toolbar – there's a brush -double-click it – then you can copy each element and overwrite the format in the format you originally have marked by just clicking on it… There are great templates from the internet too that I use and do the job differently… but that's another thing.

Then, it's very important to adjust the line distance of the whole document - 12 pt and check the box "exact". Just if you need this shit. It'll at least bring you to standard


that was very kind of you, but I did manage to sort out the software - it was just another hurdle to get over.
Posted by: SAC, October 9th, 2019, 5:04pm; Reply: 132
Another good question popped up.

The house they’re in can be any type of house that you would live in: ranch, split ranch, mansion, etc.  

I put “live in” in case someone mentioned “out house.”
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 9th, 2019, 6:51pm; Reply: 133

Quoted from SAC
Another good question popped up.

The house they’re in can be any type of house that you would live in: ranch, split ranch, mansion, etc.  

I put “live in” in case someone mentioned “out house.”


Aw, poop. There goes my deer/outhouse angle.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 9th, 2019, 8:21pm; Reply: 134
Why do I get the feeling that...at least one script will have the scream come from the late night horror movie playing on the television? ;D

Posted by: SAC, October 9th, 2019, 8:36pm; Reply: 135

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley
Why do I get the feeling that...at least one script will have the scream come from the late night horror movie playing on the television? ;D



It just occurred to me - I never said the scream had to be human, did I?
Posted by: Zack, October 9th, 2019, 8:36pm; Reply: 136

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley
Why do I get the feeling that...at least one script will have the scream come from the late night horror movie playing on the television? ;D



I wonder how creative people will get with the scream. I'm using it in a pretty creative way, or at least I hope so. Lol

Got 7 solid pages and the action is just about to ramp the fuck up. ;D;D;D

Where are you at, Jeff? You get a draft knocked out yet?

And what about you, Matt Taylor? You in, Dude?
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 9th, 2019, 8:51pm; Reply: 137
First draft done.

Looks like I'll be in.
Posted by: LC, October 9th, 2019, 8:54pm; Reply: 138

Quoted from SAC
It just occurred to me - I never said the scream had to be human, did I?

Oh, come on now, really?

Oh, hmm okay...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/10/151030-owl-red-fox-animals-scary-screams-halloween-science/

After the challenge I'll be interested in what inspired the challenge perameters, Stevo. :)

The after-party scenario is an interesting choice given the standard would have been the actual party as drama/horror.
Posted by: SAC, October 9th, 2019, 8:58pm; Reply: 139

Quoted from LC

Oh, come on now, really?

Oh, hmm okay...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/10/151030-owl-red-fox-animals-scary-screams-halloween-science/

After the challenge I'll be interested in what inspired the challenge perameters, Stevo. :)

The after-party scenario is an interesting choice given the standard would have been the actual party as drama/horror.


I’ll tell ya now if you want.
Posted by: LC, October 9th, 2019, 9:04pm; Reply: 140
Go on then...
Posted by: SAC, October 9th, 2019, 9:21pm; Reply: 141
It’s pretty simple really. I chose after the party because I thought during the party would have just gotten things too cluttered, too many characters, too much shit going on. I wanted  a couple to hear the scream because, let’s face it, bad shit usually happens when no one else is around. That’s when I thought, well what if only one of them hears the scream.

I explained to Bill earlier that this was kind of set up this way to make it easier to film - most likely one location, low character count and, of course, horror.

Other than that, there really was no grand scheme. I feel lucky I was able to come up with anything at all.

It’s all Pia’s fault!
Posted by: Zack, October 9th, 2019, 9:26pm; Reply: 142
When in doubt, blame the swedish one. :P ;D
Posted by: LC, October 9th, 2019, 9:45pm; Reply: 143
8) Thanks Steve, just curious.
Posted by: Zack, October 9th, 2019, 10:34pm; Reply: 144
I've got a second solid first draft. :P Now to clean this nasty bitch up. ;D
Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 10th, 2019, 3:01am; Reply: 145

Quoted from Zack



And what about you, Matt Taylor? You in, Dude?


Nah, I'm out. Not a fan of writing horror and I should really concentrate on the many other projects I have started and not finished

I will jump into the reading though  :)
Posted by: ChrisBodily, October 10th, 2019, 7:18am; Reply: 146
Quite happy with my third draft. Definitely the one I'm gonna submit.

Now to come up with a good logline.
Posted by: SAC, October 10th, 2019, 7:37am; Reply: 147
Last minute reminder, and only because I just now noticed, but on the submission page you can scroll through a list of all the horror sub genres. So if you wanted to do, say, a Faith Based/Family Horror, you’re good.
Posted by: Anon, October 10th, 2019, 9:26am; Reply: 148
Phew. Been beavering away every lunch break and I have a first draft. I’ll take a run through it tomorrow lunch and in it goes.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 10th, 2019, 10:45am; Reply: 149
I haven't started yet.  I also haven't really thought about it since I came up with the idea over the weekend.

I'd like to say I'll write it today, but I bet I'll actually get to it tomorrow...hopefully sooner than later.
Posted by: Zack, October 10th, 2019, 10:54am; Reply: 150

Quoted from Dreamscale
I haven't started yet.  I also haven't really thought about it since I came up with the idea over the weekend.

I'd like to say I'll write it today, but I bet I'll actually get to it tomorrow...hopefully sooner than later.


You slacker!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 10th, 2019, 11:00am; Reply: 151

Quoted from Zack


You slacker!


Yeah...you're right.  I'll get i done, though.  Don't worry.

Posted by: Zack, October 10th, 2019, 11:19am; Reply: 152

Quoted from Dreamscale


Yeah...you're right.  I'll get i done, though.  Don't worry.



I've got faith in ya, Dude. Hope you come up with something awesome. ;D
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 10th, 2019, 2:01pm; Reply: 153

Quoted from Dreamscale
I haven't started yet.  I also haven't really thought about it since I came up with the idea over the weekend.

I'd like to say I'll write it today, but I bet I'll actually get to it tomorrow...hopefully sooner than later.


That old chestnut- bet he’s been sweating over this for hours  :K)

As well as other things, but we won’t linger in that  8)
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 10th, 2019, 5:14pm; Reply: 154
Steven,

please ignore my wish for an extended timeframe for reading. There's no entrance to be expected from my side, so I have no argument to proclaim. Good luck
Posted by: Zack, October 10th, 2019, 5:17pm; Reply: 155
C'mon, Alex! Don't throw in the towel just yet. You've still got 29 hours to get an entry in. You've got this, Dude. :)
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 10th, 2019, 5:24pm; Reply: 156

Quoted from Zack
C'mon, Alex! Don't throw in the towel just yet. You've still got 29 hours to get an awesome Halloween story down.


There's a possible concept, yes. Then I have a new job, and as an ESL speaker, the execution of 8 pages is hard in a day. And more than that I generally, personally, think, that 8 pages is too long for a short movie.  I cannot truly identify with such length. It's like reaaallly backstory. Maybe with some luck tomorrow...
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 10th, 2019, 5:25pm; Reply: 157
Looks like I'm going to be waiting until the last day.  Oh boy...
Posted by: ReneC, October 10th, 2019, 5:56pm; Reply: 158
First draft done. 9 pages of gold, three that stink like warm puke.

I won't have time to go over it again until tomorrow evening. At least the puke won't be warm any more.
Posted by: Zack, October 10th, 2019, 6:05pm; Reply: 159

Quoted from ReneC


I won't have time to go over it again until tomorrow evening. At least the puke won't be warm any more.


That's what the microwave is for! ;D
Posted by: SAC, October 10th, 2019, 6:11pm; Reply: 160

Quoted from PrussianMosby
Steven,

please ignore my wish for an extended timeframe for reading. There's no entrance to be expected from my side, so I have no argument to proclaim. Good luck


You’re good, Alex.

Posted by: Andrew, October 10th, 2019, 8:15pm; Reply: 161

Quoted from Dreamscale


Hanging in there. No fun getting old.  I need to fix my knee, as I've gained 30 pounds, not being able to exercise, but the process has begun, so things should be improving and by the end of the year, I should be back to my "old" self.

Yes, I will be entering this Hallowed OWC.



Sorry to hear that, dude. On the brightside, 30 pounds is quite a lot of extra thrust. So I'm sure any Mrs Jeff's won't be complaining.

As for me, re: OWC, I'm busy trying to write The Shining, but have something more resembling The Shitting.

I like the idea, but am getting bogged down in the execution. It's just 8-pages of structure free shite right now. Going to try and get it into shape for an entry, but no better than 50-50 right now.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 10th, 2019, 8:50pm; Reply: 162
I wrote something brilliant, but knowing it would be so spectacular and far better than anyone else's entry, I decided not to enter it. I had all your egos in mind when making this decision.  ;D
Posted by: SAC, October 10th, 2019, 9:03pm; Reply: 163

Quoted from Grandma Bear
I wrote something brilliant, but knowing it would be so spectacular and far better than anyone else's entry, I decided not to enter it. I had all your egos in mind when making this decision.  ;D


I love your cheese and Alps!
Posted by: SAC, October 10th, 2019, 9:04pm; Reply: 164

Quoted from Grandma Bear
I wrote something brilliant, but knowing it would be so spectacular and far better than anyone else's entry, I decided not to enter it. I had all your egos in mind when making this decision.  ;D


Coffee and cake? No thanks.
Posted by: Andrew, October 10th, 2019, 9:12pm; Reply: 165

Quoted from Grandma Bear
I wrote something brilliant, but knowing it would be so spectacular and far better than anyone else's entry, I decided not to enter it. I had all your egos in mind when making this decision.  ;D


Send it to me, and I'll pretend it's mine.
Posted by: ChrisBodily, October 10th, 2019, 10:33pm; Reply: 166
On the submission page:


Quoted Text
Source material:* [URL or title of source material]


Do we just say it's an original story? I'm confused. This seems to be a leftover from the Fairy Tale challenge.

Anyway, just submitted. :)
Posted by: stevie, October 10th, 2019, 11:34pm; Reply: 167

Quoted from Andrew

I was stuck for an idea until Jeff sent me the video of his ill fated audition for The Human Centipede filmed in the Rams locker room. I can honestly say my script is sickening but lavishly put together. Luckily Jeff’s extra pounds hide a lot of the gross stuff.


Good for you Andrew! I’m happy to read it as long as there’s no plans to actually film it :'(
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 10th, 2019, 11:40pm; Reply: 168

Quoted from stevie
Andrew,  I’m happy as long as it's big.  That's what I like in my arse!(


Dude...Stevie.  C'mon man.  That's kind of gross, bro.

Posted by: Zack, October 11th, 2019, 12:10am; Reply: 169
Submitted. Feeling pretty good about what I've got. :)
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 11th, 2019, 1:32am; Reply: 170
The good new is I had time last night to re write the script.

The bad news is that I had a few to drink and it's a pile of trash on re reading.

its amazing what seems a great idea at the time.

whoops - and only 21 hrs, 28 mins left, which is more than I have anyway as that would make it 5am in the morning!!
Posted by: Anon, October 11th, 2019, 6:09am; Reply: 171
Okay mine's in. How long between the deadline and them being posted for reading? I have a few hours window tomorrow afternoon while my daughter's at a B-day party. But that's GMT (english time) so Saturday morning EST. I'm guessing they probably won't be posted by then?
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 7:23am; Reply: 172

Quoted from Anon
Okay mine's in. How long between the deadline and them being posted for reading? I have a few hours window tomorrow afternoon while my daughter's at a B-day party. But that's GMT (english time) so Saturday morning EST. I'm guessing they probably won't be posted by then?


Don’s usually right on top of getting them posted quickly. Judging from past OWC’s, Saturday around noon EST, but don’t hold me to that.
Posted by: Anon, October 11th, 2019, 7:29am; Reply: 173

Quoted from SAC


Don’s usually right on top of getting them posted quickly. Judging from past OWC’s, Saturday around noon EST, but don’t hold me to that.


Awesome! Thanks.
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 7:30am; Reply: 174

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
The good new is I had time last night to re write the script.

The bad news is that I had a few to drink and it's a pile of trash on re reading.

its amazing what seems a great idea at the time.

whoops - and only 21 hrs, 28 mins left, which is more than I have anyway as that would make it 5am in the morning!!


You remind me of that kid in school who frets and stresses the most about the big math test and then gets a 98
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 7:35am; Reply: 175

Quoted from ChrisBodily
On the submission page:



Do we just say it's an original story? I'm confused. This seems to be a leftover from the Fairy Tale challenge.

Anyway, just submitted. :)


I haven’t the foggiest. Maybe Don can enlighten us. I’d just leave it blank.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 11th, 2019, 7:54am; Reply: 176

Quoted from SAC


You remind me of that kid in school who frets and stresses the most about the big math test and then gets a 98


I’ll take that  :D
Posted by: Zack, October 11th, 2019, 9:27am; Reply: 177
Going over my script. Think it's actually pretty good. Gonna tweak a few things when I get off work, then resubmit an updated draft.

What about you, Jeff? You get that beast hammered out yet?
Posted by: ReneC, October 11th, 2019, 10:01am; Reply: 178

Quoted from Zack
What about you, Jeff? You get that beast hammered out yet?


I'm pretty sure he hammered the beast last night, and every night. My money's on a blank page though.
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 10:18am; Reply: 179
So looking forward to reading these! I mean, after I watch El Camino, of course.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 10:40am; Reply: 180

Quoted from Zack
Going over my script. Think it's actually pretty good. Gonna tweak a few things when I get off work, then resubmit an updated draft.

What about you, Jeff? You get that beast hammered out yet?


No, bad night.  My garage freezer tokk a shit and we lost hundreds of dollars of frozen meat and seafood, and spent hours trying to save what we could.  They're not coming to fix it until Monday, so we have everything we could saved crammed into our remaining 2 freezers and that's not good.

Nothing written at all, and no real thought about it this week.

This ain't looking good.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 10:41am; Reply: 181

Quoted from ReneC


I'm pretty sure he hammered the beast last night, and every night. My money's on a blank page though.


I got hammered last night, but you are correct - blank page...or even worse, screenwriting software hasn't even been opened up yet and I have a Dental appointment this afternoon.

Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 11th, 2019, 10:59am; Reply: 182

Quoted from Dreamscale

I have a Dental appointment this afternoon.

You can write on Novocaine can't ya? ;)

Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 11th, 2019, 11:05am; Reply: 183

Quoted from Dreamscale


No, bad night.  My garage freezer tokk a shit and we lost hundreds of dollars of frozen meat and seafood, and spent hours trying to save what we could.  They're not coming to fix it until Monday, so we have everything we could saved crammed into our remaining 2 freezers and that's not good.

Nothing written at all, and no real thought about it this week.

This ain't looking good.


Did you scream when you noticed the freezer which only one 1/2 of another couple heard?... could be the start of things right there
Posted by: Zack, October 11th, 2019, 11:06am; Reply: 184

Quoted from ReneC


I'm pretty sure he hammered the beast last night, and every night. My money's on a blank page though.


Lmao. Whatever Jeff ends up writing, I'll bet you it won't have any orphans or wrylies. ;D
Posted by: eldave1, October 11th, 2019, 11:19am; Reply: 185
Two more days with the Grandsons before they leave - a hectic week. They are 4 and 6 and move around like cats with shock collars - Grandpas' knees, elbows, arms, ankles - et al have never been sorer. But a delight to have. Anyway - they're out with Grandma right now so thought I'd check in to wish everyone entering good luck.

Of course, I though the best story premise was here:


Quoted from Dreamscale


No, bad night.  My garage freezer tokk a shit and we lost hundreds of dollars of frozen meat and seafood, and spent hours trying to save what we could.  They're not coming to fix it until Monday, so we have everything we could saved crammed into our remaining 2 freezers and that's not good.

Nothing written at all, and no real thought about it this week.

This ain't looking good.


An aging, weight-laden man just off of dental surgery and ripped from a combination of beer and Oxycontin hears a muffled scream emanating from the basement freezer.

His long suffering girlfriend, convinced that he's lost his marbles years ago, let's him explore that basement alone. He creaks the freezer lid open and discovers --

SATAN'S ORPHAN!  His only chance at survival - ignore it and move on like any rational person would . But he can't. He just can't! It's kill or be killed time now.  

He hears his girlfriend yell as she slams and locks the basement door - "I'm out!" This is Crap!"

Our drunken hero's eyes narrow as he returns his gaze to the freezer holding the demonic orphan.....
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 11:38am; Reply: 186

Quoted from Zack


Lmao. Whatever Jeff ends up writing, I'll bet you it won't have any orphans or wrylies. ;D


I'm actually writing this one in Word and it will be loaded with mistakes of all kinds.
Posted by: Zack, October 11th, 2019, 12:19pm; Reply: 187

Quoted from Dreamscale


I'm actually writing this one in Word and it will be loaded with mistakes of all kinds.


Why are you writing in Word???
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 1:19pm; Reply: 188

Quoted from Zack


Why are you writing in Word???


Why not?  It will look worse.

Posted by: FrankM, October 11th, 2019, 2:13pm; Reply: 189

Quoted from Zack


Why are you writing in Word???


Horror looks horror-ier in Comic Sans.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 11th, 2019, 2:23pm; Reply: 190
Ok, I've run out of time, so I have entered what I have.

Having been out of this for some time, my thick skin seems to have gone. Im all very nervous.

Please may folk;

1] be kind  :)

2] be kind...to me  :K)

3] be tolerant of those who have made some format mistakes etc

4] don't have a fit over different interpretations of the criteria

5] enjoy the script for what they are - most are written with passion and effort

otherwise, I look forward to seeing what emerges tomorrow

thanks don, Steven

PS - nice to be back - well until I read Jeff's comments  :'( :'( :'(
Posted by: Anon, October 11th, 2019, 2:51pm; Reply: 191
I’m still horrified about a whole freezer of meat and seafood going to waste. But inspired by Jeff having two other freezers to save it. Talk about high steaks! There’s a feature there ...
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 11th, 2019, 3:15pm; Reply: 192

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
Ok, I've run out of time, so I have entered what I have.

Having been out of this for some time, my thick skin seems to have gone. Im all very nervous.

Please may folk;

1] be kind  :)

2] be kind...to me  :K)

3] be tolerant of those who have made some format mistakes etc

4] don't have a fit over different interpretations of the criteria

5] enjoy the script for what they are - most are written with passion and effort

otherwise, I look forward to seeing what emerges tomorrow

thanks don, Steven

PS - nice to be back - well until I read Jeff's comments  :'( :'( :'(


Regarding number 3... you really should put periods at the end of all your sentences. Plus, capitalize the first word of every sentence. This is basic stuff. Makes me question your dedication to the craft.
Posted by: Lightfoot, October 11th, 2019, 3:41pm; Reply: 193
Got mine finished now but it's only 6 almost 7 pages long. Will try and stretch it out where I can though. 7 hours left so I should be able to think up some sort of filler.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 3:44pm; Reply: 194

Quoted from Anon
I’m still horrified about a whole freezer of meat and seafood going to waste. But inspired by Jeff having two other freezers to save it. Talk about high steaks! There’s a feature there ...


The freezer that died is a standup, full size freezer.  The "other" 2 freezers are simply regular refrigerator/freezers, meaning not much room in the freezer section.

I think I need a 3rd fridge/freezer.  I need lots of food to keep my weight increasing.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 3:45pm; Reply: 195
Going on 2:00 here and I still haven't even opened my screenwriting software.  This is not a good sign.  It's not looking like it's going to happen, sorry to say.

I will do my best to shit on Bill's entry, though.   ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 11th, 2019, 3:48pm; Reply: 196

Quoted from PKCardinal


Regarding number 3... you really should put periods at the end of all your sentences. Plus, capitalize the first word of every sentence. This is basic stuff. Makes me question your dedication to the craft.


You see this is the kind of stuff that needs flagging  :D

I talk of tolerance, PK mentions capital letters  :K)

Welcome back to the OWC for me !!

Joking aside, enjoy this folks. i’m off to bed.

I look forward to reading them all this weekend and next week. Indeed,  that reminds me what it is feels like, as a writer,  to go through the reading week.

See you tomorrow

Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 11th, 2019, 3:50pm; Reply: 197

Quoted from Dreamscale
Going on 2:00 here and I still haven't even opened my screenwriting software.  This is not a good sign.  It's not looking like it's going to happen, sorry to say.

I will do my best to shit on Bill's entry, though.   ;D ;D ;D


I caught that just before going to bed.

You’ve ruined my sleep!!

I will look out for your entry, Mr Dark horse.

Posted by: PKCardinal, October 11th, 2019, 4:13pm; Reply: 198

Quoted from Reef Dreamer


You see this is the kind of stuff that needs flagging  :D

I talk of tolerance, PK mentions capital letters  :K)

Welcome back to the OWC for me !!

Joking aside, enjoy this folks. i’m off to bed.

I look forward to reading them all this weekend and next week. Indeed,  that reminds me what it is feels like, as a writer,  to go through the reading week.

See you tomorrow



I hope it was clear that I was just making a joke. :)

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 4:22pm; Reply: 199

Quoted from PKCardinal


I hope it was clear that I was just making a joke. :)



I wasn't.

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 11th, 2019, 4:26pm; Reply: 200
Looks like I'm out. All I have is 5 pages of total crud.   :-/
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 4:32pm; Reply: 201
I'm actually going to try and get something done.  On page 2.
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 11th, 2019, 4:34pm; Reply: 202

Quoted from Dreamscale


I wasn't.

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


About the meat? Yeah, nobody jokes about things like that.

"Steaks were lost that night."

Only thing worse was if there was bacon involved. That would be a tragedy too great to bear.
Posted by: Zack, October 11th, 2019, 4:53pm; Reply: 203

Quoted from Dreamscale
Going on 2:00 here and I still haven't even opened my screenwriting software.  This is not a good sign.  It's not looking like it's going to happen, sorry to say.

I will do my best to shit on Bill's entry, though.   ;D ;D ;D


No way, Dude! You have to get something in!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 5:02pm; Reply: 204

Quoted from PKCardinal


About the meat? Yeah, nobody jokes about things like that.

"Steaks were lost that night."

Only thing worse was if there was bacon involved. That would be a tragedy too great to bear.


Yeah, for sure.  There was 4 pounds of smoked bacon, in 4 Food Saver bags.  I saved those bad boys for sure!

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 5:04pm; Reply: 205

Quoted from Zack


No way, Dude! You have to get something in!


On Page 3.  Doing my best, but the girlfriend comes home in about an hour, and we all know how that turned out last time I tried to write something Friday night...

Posted by: PKCardinal, October 11th, 2019, 5:25pm; Reply: 206

Quoted from Dreamscale


Yeah, for sure.  There was 4 pounds of smoked bacon, in 4 Food Saver bags.  I saved those bad boys for sure!



Oh, thank god. I was thinking this was a horror. Turned out to be a romcom.

Mmmmm. Bacon.
Posted by: LC, October 11th, 2019, 5:56pm; Reply: 207

Quoted from PKCardinal
I hope it was clear that I was just making a joke. :)

I thought it was funny.  ;D
Real men don't use emoji.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 5:57pm; Reply: 208

Quoted from LC

I thought it was funny.  ;D
Real men don't use emoji.


I do!!!

Posted by: PKCardinal, October 11th, 2019, 6:20pm; Reply: 209

Quoted from LC

I thought it was funny.  ;D
Real men don't use emoji.


I was strong.

Until I wasn't.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 11th, 2019, 6:30pm; Reply: 210


Although I still might change that logline by midnight.
The OWC turned out better than I thought it would be, but I didn't think I was going to make it. I struggled for the last two days on the ending. When in doubt, go with your guts.
Posted by: JEStaats, October 11th, 2019, 7:07pm; Reply: 211
See that behind the 8-ball? Yeah, that's me. I think I'm going to pull a Rene and get this in with just minutes left. Been stuck on page 8 for three days. Damn it.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 7:16pm; Reply: 212
I will be in!  Just finishing it up, then I'll let it sit for awhile and finally submit well before the deadline.

It ain't anything great, but you just never know.  Peeps may enjoy it.
Posted by: irish eyes, October 11th, 2019, 7:18pm; Reply: 213
Sorry bud

With work and family drama I just didn't have anytime not even a Friday night special ;D

Good luck running your first OWC you deserve it :D
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 7:22pm; Reply: 214

Quoted from irish eyes
Sorry bud

With work and family drama I just didn't have anytime not even a Friday night special ;D

Good luck running your first OWC you deserve it :D


You Irish bog bastard!

Crack open a Guinness for me. Actually a Killians
Posted by: Zack, October 11th, 2019, 7:30pm; Reply: 215

Quoted from JEStaats
See that behind the 8-ball? Yeah, that's me. I think I'm going to pull a Rene and get this in with just minutes left. Been stuck on page 8 for three days. Damn it.


You've got this, Dude. Bust something out with a bunch of gore and some edgy nudity. ;D
Posted by: Zack, October 11th, 2019, 7:49pm; Reply: 216
Any guesses on how many entries there will be this time? I say between 20 and 25.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 11th, 2019, 7:49pm; Reply: 217

Quoted from SAC


Crack open a Guinness for me.

Did anyone say Guinness???
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 8:58pm; Reply: 218

Quoted from Grandma Bear

Did anyone say Guinness???


Would actually prefer a White Russian. I abide.
Posted by: ReneC, October 11th, 2019, 8:59pm; Reply: 219

Quoted from JEStaats
See that behind the 8-ball? Yeah, that's me. I think I'm going to pull a Rene and get this in with just minutes left. Been stuck on page 8 for three days. Damn it.


How'd you know???
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 9:19pm; Reply: 220

Quoted from SAC


Would actually prefer a White Russian. I abide.


I'll take a white Russian.  About 5' 3", 27 years old, and speaks in broken Eastern European dialect with a very shapely body!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 9:26pm; Reply: 221

Quoted from Dreamscale


I'll take a white Russian.  About 5' 23', 27 years old, and speaks in broken Eastern European dialect!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Just make sure she puts the lotion in the basket.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 9:27pm; Reply: 222
The Kid is in.  The girlfriend, Teri, gave it a read and didn't kick me in the nutsack, so that's a real positive.

We'll see...
Posted by: ReneC, October 11th, 2019, 10:12pm; Reply: 223

Quoted from Dreamscale


I'll take a white Russian.  About 5' 3", 27 years old, and speaks in broken Eastern European dialect with a very shapely body!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Meet Vlad. He's into beat boxing and darts. Drinks vodka like a champion. You'll hit it off great.
Posted by: ReneC, October 11th, 2019, 10:13pm; Reply: 224
Done and submitted! With a whole...47 minutes to spare!!!

I had to order pizza and ignore my kids for three hours, but I did it. Let the thrashing ensue!
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 11th, 2019, 10:25pm; Reply: 225
Hello SS peeps! I haven't written much of anything in 4 years. But my divorce is finally final and I got the writing bug again. This one is rusty as hell...but I'm in dammit!!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 10:49pm; Reply: 226

Quoted from mmmarnie
Hello SS peeps! I haven't written much of anything in 4 years. But my divorce is finally final and I got the writing bug again. This one is rusty as hell...but I'm in dammit!!


Welcome! Don't worry, we're all very tame and well mannered here.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Posted by: mmmarnie, October 11th, 2019, 11:02pm; Reply: 227

Quoted from Dreamscale


Welcome! Don't worry, we're all very tame and well mannered here.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D



What???? Really??? LOL. Is that a new development?
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 11:08pm; Reply: 228

Quoted from mmmarnie
Hello SS peeps! I haven't written much of anything in 4 years. But my divorce is finally final and I got the writing bug again. This one is rusty as hell...but I'm in dammit!!


Welcome back, Marnie!
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 11:09pm; Reply: 229
Is Don the best or is Don the best?!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 11th, 2019, 11:09pm; Reply: 230

Quoted from SAC


Welcome back, Marnie!


Oh...I didn't realize it was "that" Marnie!

Well, welcome back, anyway.
Posted by: SAC, October 11th, 2019, 11:10pm; Reply: 231

Quoted from Dreamscale


Oh...I didn't realize it was "that" Marnie!

Well, welcome back, anyway.


Not even gonna ask. ;D
Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 12:23am; Reply: 232

Quoted from SAC
Is Don the best or is Don the best?!

Wow, he certainly is!
...
Welcome back, Marnie. :)

Posted by: Don, October 12th, 2019, 12:29am; Reply: 233

Quoted from SAC
Is Don the best or is Don the best?!



Quoted from LC

Wow, he certainly is!
...
Welcome back, Marnie. :)



You do not know what I had to do to bring Marnie back.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 12th, 2019, 2:36am; Reply: 234
welcome back Marnie - I myself have entered this OWC for the first time in a while.

Thanks Don for working fast, always I nice surprise to see scripts posted for Saturday reading

just one question, how are scripts normally marked, ie what scale is used by readers. Just asking as I can keep this in mind as I go along

time to get reading
Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 3:34am; Reply: 235
Bill, I'm not sure for this one but it's usually along the lines of Don sending a ballot towards the end with Pass, Consider, Recommend, Criteria Met etc.

Best to keep a running tally yourself - do not post scores on scripts, only feedback.
That's the way it usually works.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 12th, 2019, 3:36am; Reply: 236

Quoted from LC
Bill, I'm not sure for this one but it's usually along the lines of Don sending a ballot towards the end with Pass, Consider, Recommend, Criteria Met etc.

Best to keep a running tally yourself - do not post scores on scripts, only feedback.
That's the way it usually works.


thanks - agreed on not posting scores etc on the threads

I suppose I have seen the old movie poet 1-5 scale and the pass/consider/recommend all before

or maybe Don has a super duper new scale  :K)
Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 3:38am; Reply: 237

Quoted from Don
You do not know what I had to do to bring Marnie back.

Well, I think Marnie's won a mug in the past (if memory serves).
A box of choccies? If so I want one too. :D

Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 12th, 2019, 6:32am; Reply: 238
Marnie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :o :K) :P ;D 8) 8) 8)
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 12th, 2019, 7:55am; Reply: 239

Quoted from Don




You do not know what I had to do to bring Marnie back.


;D ;D bringing back the SS thong as an incentive??
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 12th, 2019, 8:01am; Reply: 240

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Marnie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :o :K) :P ;D 8) 8) 8)


I got tired of waiting for an OWC prompt that might push me to write about two broads with bad knees who go white water rafting in NC, get lost and have to fight the elements, back woods red necks and Guiness withdrawals in order to survive.  :P
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 12th, 2019, 10:10am; Reply: 241
Very small turnout...surprising.

Fantastic work by Don, once again, to get these all loaded within minutes of the writing period ending.

Surprised again no one took advantage of that, as here we are almost 12 hours later, and there are very few reads and comments.

I'm going to get on it now.  Brace yourselves.  BWOOOHAHAAAAA!!!!!
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 12th, 2019, 10:22am; Reply: 242
Quick thanks to Zack for the motivational speech,

however I botched this time. The concept would've had to pull me hard to let me hammer it through this time. It didn't grab me.


Pleasant comeback, Marnie. Good luck with your entry. I hope to have it on the reading list. Very interested in what you do on the page today :-)
Posted by: khamanna, October 12th, 2019, 10:43am; Reply: 243

Quoted from mmmarnie


I got tired of waiting for an OWC prompt that might push me to write about two broads with bad knees who go white water rafting in NC, get lost and have to fight the elements, back woods red necks and Guiness withdrawals in order to survive.  :P


Hey Marnie!! Welcome back! Your scripts were missed and you too of course.


I didn’t write for this one either. But next time hopefully. Good luck to all.

Zack gave a speech? I have to look for it.
Posted by: khamanna, October 12th, 2019, 10:45am; Reply: 244
Hey, people, and Bill is back too! I’ve seen him here I swear!
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 12th, 2019, 11:00am; Reply: 245
Yeah,
good opportunity to shout stuff from the sideline ...

So here's the first look
Title Impression:

Not fitting genre:
The Art of War (Action/Thriller)
Three Blocks (Action/Thriller)
What Was That
Party Out of Bounds
Twins

Lacks emotion, too standard:
Can't You Hear It
Cold Blood
Sickening Desires
The Halloween After Party
For The Love of Satan
The Night He Came Back
The Vampire Affair

Well in genre:
Paralysis
Curse of Osiris (borders to an adventure feel but there's still a go)
Last Halloween

Outstanding, striking, get me the ticket:
The Magic Candy (possibly cut the 'The' was my very first look impulse)
The Frequency of Fear
End of The Harvest
Devil's Night Massacre (first impulse impression- maybe make it a subjective single term
                                  with losing the apostrophe 'Devil Night Massacre; it will read odd                          
                                  like that, yes, but imo the very positive kind of odd, the in your face odd)
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 12th, 2019, 11:36am; Reply: 246
Checked the loglines:

I only bought into four.

"37 years ago, the small town of Milford, Ohio was terrorized by a sadistic psychopath. Tonight, he's back."

(Intriguing 'classic horror plot' content. Reform it to one sentence.)

"A couple fight for their lives when killers target them after their Devil's Night Halloween party."

(Yeah, this 'was' No 1 on my reading list I thought. Like wtf is a devil night party. Then I just googled it and realized Devil Night is a well known term in the U.S.A. .This is a problem because in my eyes it reads very mystic, not knowing the term. Well, then maybe it's full on standard in your cultural market... anyway it's truly okay)

"A young woman is haunted by the history of her new home."
(I dare to say, I dare to say I walk with the 'I know that horror in the house classic plot' line here - you go)

"A young, anxiety-filled teen has a hard time telling his sleep paralysis demon apart from mind to reality, hours after a rambunctious Halloween party."
(just make it read smooth)
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 12th, 2019, 11:41am; Reply: 247

Quoted from khamanna
Hey, people, and Bill is back too! I’ve seen him here I swear!


I’ve seen him too  ;D

Nice to be involved, although feeling a tad rusty

Jeff promised me - indirectly - he’s not going to poop on my script, which is very kind  8)
Posted by: Zack, October 12th, 2019, 11:44am; Reply: 248

Quoted from PrussianMosby
Quick thanks to Zack for the motivational speech,


Happy to be the one to convince you to enter. :) Looking forward to checking out your script.
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 12th, 2019, 11:48am; Reply: 249

Quoted from Zack

Happy to be the one to convince you to enter. :) Looking forward to checking out your script.


Sorry, that the context wasn't clear in my post. Unfortunately, I got no script on the list this time and it doesn't feel good. But I'll read and take part as usual :-)
Posted by: Zack, October 12th, 2019, 12:02pm; Reply: 250

Quoted from PrussianMosby


Sorry, that the context wasn't clear in my post. Unfortunately, I got no script on the list this time and it doesn't feel good. But I'll read and take part as usual :-)


Damn, that's disappointing, Dude. Oh well, there's always next October.   :)
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 12th, 2019, 12:08pm; Reply: 251

Quoted from Zack
Damn, that's disappointing, Dude.


Isn't it.


Quoted from Zack
Oh well, there's always next October.   :)


Ouch - back to reply of quoted box one.

Man, I think I like your humor. Reads pretty realistically in its style :-) -- like thumbs up-

Posted by: mmmarnie, October 12th, 2019, 12:24pm; Reply: 252

Quoted from khamanna


Hey Marnie!! Welcome back! Your scripts were missed and you too of course.



Hey Kham! It's nice to be back! In super rusty though and only had like 3 hours to write this so I'm prepared for slaughter.  :P ;D

Obviously a perfect time to resurface, along with lovely Reef Dreamer, Bill.  ;)
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 12th, 2019, 1:39pm; Reply: 253

Quoted from mmmarnie


I got tired of waiting for an OWC prompt that might push me to write about two broads with bad knees who go white water rafting in NC, get lost and have to fight the elements, back woods red necks and Guiness withdrawals in order to survive.  :P


Gold right there!!! We can make that happen! :D
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 12th, 2019, 1:51pm; Reply: 254
Hi readers

Just a heads up to bear in mind Don’s super duper, five point marking system. I think he’s PM’d them out

I hadn’t seen it before - all very technical

May be worth thinking off as you read.

Gosh, you go away for a couple of years and every changes  :P :P :P
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 12th, 2019, 3:49pm; Reply: 255

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
Hi readers

Just a heads up to bear in mind Don’s super duper, five point marking system. I think he’s PM’d them out

I hadn’t seen it before - all very technical

May be worth thinking off as you read.

Gosh, you go away for a couple of years and every changes  :P :P :P


What?? Where can I find that?? Everything is different!! I fear change!! :P

Posted by: Zack, October 12th, 2019, 3:58pm; Reply: 256

Quoted from mmmarnie


What?? Where can I find that?? Everything is different!! I fear change!! :P



You should have a pm from Don.
Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 5:46pm; Reply: 257

Quoted from PrussianMosby
Yeah,
good opportunity to shout stuff from the sideline ...

So here's the first look
Title Impression:

Not fitting genre:
The Art of War (Action/Thriller)
Three Blocks (Action/Thriller)
What Was That
Party Out of Bounds
Twins

Lacks emotion, too standard:
Can't You Hear It
Cold Blood
Sickening Desires
The Halloween After Party
For The Love of Satan
The Night He Came Back
The Vampire Affair

Well in genre:
Paralysis
Curse of Osiris (borders to an adventure feel but there's still a go)
Last Halloween

Outstanding, striking, get me the ticket:
The Magic Candy (possibly cut the 'The' was my very first look impulse)
The Frequency of Fear
End of The Harvest
Devil's Night Massacre (first impulse impression- maybe make it a subjective single term
                                  with losing the apostrophe 'Devil Night Massacre; it will read odd                          
                                  like that, yes, but imo the very positive kind of odd, the in your face odd)


Nice observations, Alex.   :D
Posted by: SAC, October 12th, 2019, 6:35pm; Reply: 258
Folks, just a quick reminder that any rating you have should be held until you do so on your scorecards, not on the script’s thread. Thanks.
Posted by: SAC, October 12th, 2019, 6:37pm; Reply: 259
Also, please check your pm from Don! The scoring is a little different this time and I’d hate peeps to have to go back over the scripts they’ve already read.
Posted by: JEStaats, October 12th, 2019, 6:40pm; Reply: 260

Quoted from SAC
Also, please check your pm from Don! The scoring is a little different this time and I’d hate peeps to have to go back over the scripts they’ve already read.


A silly question but I wanted to ask before it's too late: I've started filling out my score card as I go. If I close it, will I lose what I've filled in or can I reopen later with information saved?
Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 6:42pm; Reply: 261
You likely will lose it. It's happened to me before. And not a silly question. Best to take a screenshot before you close it.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 12th, 2019, 6:52pm; Reply: 262

Quoted from SAC
Folks, just a quick reminder that any rating you have should be held until you do so on your scorecards, not on the script’s thread. Thanks.


I don't recall this being a requirement in the original thread, Steven, and if that's true, my scores will stay.

Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 6:56pm; Reply: 263
It's always been a requirement.

Scoring comes at the end.
Posted by: SAC, October 12th, 2019, 6:58pm; Reply: 264
Wasn’t a requirement and no, I didnt mention it. Your scores can stay. But we all should know , most of us anyway, it’s been frowned upon in the past.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 12th, 2019, 6:59pm; Reply: 265
Peeps have put their own little scores on their reviews for many years...unless the original parameters said not to.

I like being frowned on, anyways.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Zack, October 12th, 2019, 7:00pm; Reply: 266
Dammit. And right after I've unleashed my fancy new rating system!  :'(
Posted by: JEStaats, October 12th, 2019, 7:02pm; Reply: 267

Quoted from Zack
Dammit. And right after I've unleashed my fancy new rating system!  :'(


I gotta give you credit for creativity. 8)
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 12th, 2019, 7:02pm; Reply: 268

Quoted from Zack
Dammit. And right after I've unleashed my fancy new rating system!  :'(


Keep it, Zack.  I'm keeping mine.  I think it adds to the review to know what the person really thought.

There are so many sugarcoated reviews for absolutely terrible scripts, it's crazy.  I never get it, but oh well.
Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 7:10pm; Reply: 269
Now I come to think of it there was that running star-system Don tried out a few years back...

Anyway, you guys can take it up with challenge-master, Steve.
I won't edit out any more scores and you do so at your own peril.  :o

P.S. Jeff, I don't think there's any risk people don't know what you really think.
Try and keep it respectful though.
Posted by: SAC, October 12th, 2019, 7:14pm; Reply: 270
There could be a challenge in the works where you could post ratings. Quite honestly I forgot to mention it this go round, so that’s on me. I won’t delete any ratings. To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure if it would help or hurt a certain script, but I will say this and that is a poor rating could potentially cause someone to pass a script by without reading and that is something I don’t want.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 12th, 2019, 7:25pm; Reply: 271

Quoted from SAC
There could be a challenge in the works where you could post ratings. Quite honestly I forgot to mention it this go round, so that’s on me. I won’t delete any ratings. To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure if it would help or hurt a certain script, but I will say this and that is a poor rating could potentially cause someone to pass a script by without reading and that is something I don’t want.


And a "high" rating could make more peeps read it, which is a good thing.

You guys know me - I think everyone who enters a script, should at least attempt to read every entry and provide some kind of feedback.  It doesn't take that much, really.

I've read and left extensive feedback on 10 scripts.  I think I even read the entire script, or at least skimmed to the end.  That's saying something for this Kid.   ;D ;D
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 12th, 2019, 7:30pm; Reply: 272

Quoted from LC
Now I come to think of it there was that running star-system Don tried out a few years back...

Actually, that was a different thing. Not rating the scripts, but rather marking the scripts that the writer is reading and commenting. In other words, if your script had no stars, people wouldn't bother reading it because it meant the writer didn't bother reading other scripts.  :)
Posted by: LC, October 12th, 2019, 7:37pm; Reply: 273
Ah...

Gotcha. :)
Posted by: Zack, October 12th, 2019, 7:52pm; Reply: 274

Quoted from Grandma Bear

Actually, that was a different thing. Not rating the scripts, but rather marking the scripts that the writer is reading and commenting. In other words, if your script had no stars, people wouldn't bother reading it because it meant the writer didn't bother reading other scripts.  :)


Why isn't that still a thing?



Quoted from Dreamscale


I've read and left extensive feedback on 10 scripts.  I think I even read the entire script, or at least skimmed to the end.  That's saying something for this Kid.   ;D ;D


10 scripts already!? You'e a monster, Dude! ;D;D
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 12th, 2019, 7:56pm; Reply: 275

Quoted from Zack


10 scripts already!? You're a monster, Dude! ;D;D


I read yours, as well. How do I know?  BWOOOOOOHAHA!!!!!  The Shadow always knows!

I read Pia's as well.  What?

Could I be correct on these 2?  Yes, I think I am.

Am I just a genius?  Wait...don't answer that!  HA!!

Posted by: Zack, October 12th, 2019, 8:04pm; Reply: 276

Quoted from Dreamscale


I read yours, as well. How do I know?  BWOOOOOOHAHA!!!!!  The Shadow always knows!




Figured mine wouldn't be very hard to spot.  ;D
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 12th, 2019, 9:20pm; Reply: 277

Quoted from Zack


Why isn't that still a thing?


Might be more work for Don?

I think with these fewer entries though, it's not really necessary. It reminds me of the old days where it's more intimate between people who are familiar with each other's work and that keeps the guessing game more fun too.

The non reader problem was more of an issue when we were getting 40+ entries.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 12th, 2019, 9:36pm; Reply: 278

Quoted from Grandma Bear


Might be more work for Don?

I think with these fewer entries though, it's not really necessary. It reminds me of the old days where it's more intimate between people who are familiar with each other's work and that keeps the guessing game more fun too.

The non reader problem was more of an issue when we were getting 40+ entries.


Yep, yep, and YEP!

I actually can figure a bunch of peeps out very easily for a change.  But then again, they can figure me out, too.  ARGH!!!!!
Posted by: eldave1, October 13th, 2019, 10:48am; Reply: 279
Jeff:

What is your objection to SUBURBAN HOME as a header? I've seen (or is that scene) several comments from you in that regard.

When writing features, I tend don't to use that header knowing that I am going to have several distinct scenes at that location and I don't want the reader to get confused so I'll label at as the owner's - e.g., DAVE'S HOUSE.

In a one location short, I wouldn't since there will only be one house (i.e., no confusion on location) and would feel free to exploit the header space for descriptive purposes (e.g., SUBURBAN HOUSE - telling the reader we're in the burbs), DOWNTOWN CONDO, RURAL RANCH HOUSE, etc.  

As it your belief that the house should always be identified by the residence's name?
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 13th, 2019, 10:59am; Reply: 280

Quoted from eldave1
Jeff:

What is your objection to SUBURBAN HOME as a header? I've seen (or is that scene) several comments from you in that regard.

When writing features, I tend don't to use that header knowing that I am going to have several distinct scenes at that location and I don't want the reader to get confused so I'll label at as the owner's - e.g., DAVE'S HOUSE.

In a one location short, I wouldn't since there will only be one house (i.e., no confusion on location) and would feel free to exploit the header space for descriptive purposes (e.g., SUBURBAN HOUSE - telling the reader we're in the burbs), DOWNTOWN CONDO, RURAL RANCH HOUSE, etc.  

As it your belief that the house should always be identified by the residence's name?


It's dumb, it looks dumb, and you see it over and over, and over, meaning it doesn't stand out.

Yes, I would always use some sort of ownership to the structure, whether or not it's a single location.

If you'd do that in a feature or a more detailed short, why not just do it all the time?

Posted by: eldave1, October 13th, 2019, 11:19am; Reply: 281

Quoted from Dreamscale


It's dumb, it looks dumb, and you see it over and over, and over, meaning it doesn't stand out.

Yes, I would always use some sort of ownership to the structure, whether or not it's a single location.

If you'd do that in a feature or a more detailed short, why not just do it all the time?



I think I already explained it - but maybe not good enough.

In a feature - I'm going to go to that location several times and over a 120 pages readers are going to have to keep track of locations. So DAVE'S HOUSE - as opposed to something like SUBURBAN HOUSE will remind the readers that we are in Dave's house as opposed to a different suburban house.

I'll use something like SUBURBAN in one location shorts because (a) there will be no confusion to the reader - we're not going anywhere else and (b) it lets me use the header space to add so more meaningful description. i.e., when I read SUBURBAN house, as a reader I get a better sense of the setting - I view the traditional middle class burbs. When I read DAVE'S HOUSE - I really don't know if it is rural, city, etc.

That's all.    Was just curious if you thought owner specific was always good in the header - you answered that.  Don't really agree - but I understand your point now.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 13th, 2019, 11:23am; Reply: 282
It also helps if you spell suburban correctly, which not everyone has done 😮

Mind you, I read mine again and inevitably I found those annoying errors that I failed to spot

Hell, we only have a short period of time.
Posted by: eldave1, October 13th, 2019, 12:01pm; Reply: 283

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
It also helps if you spell suburban correctly, which not everyone has done 😮

Mind you, I read mine again and inevitably I found those annoying errors that I failed to spot

Hell, we only have a short period of time.


It's our Type O personalities.
Posted by: eldave1, October 13th, 2019, 12:02pm; Reply: 284
As I get in to these -  the standard couples exchange - did you hear the scream - what scream? is getting tedious.

Not a criticism really s it is happening in all of the scripts. That being said, I am looking forward to one where one person hears the scream and doesn't share that info with the other person.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 13th, 2019, 12:06pm; Reply: 285

Quoted from eldave1
As I get in to these -  the standard couples exchange - did you hear the scream - what scream? is getting tedious.

Not a criticism really s it is happening in all of the scripts. That being said, I am looking forward to one where one person hears the scream and doesn't share that info with the other person.


Keep reading...you'll find them.

Are you getting tired of reading "SUBURBAN HOME" in every Slug yet?

If so, see my post above.
Posted by: eldave1, October 13th, 2019, 12:14pm; Reply: 286

Quoted from Dreamscale


Keep reading...you'll find them.

Are you getting tired of reading "SUBURBAN HOME" in every Slug yet?

If so, see my post above.


Yes - but - like the both couples hearing the scream - I wouldn't fault any individual script for it. Also getting tired of sexy horror costumes (e.g., sexy nurse), but again,  think it is the nature of the challenge
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 13th, 2019, 12:28pm; Reply: 287
Often within a OWC there is a phrase, or description, that is repetitive.

The one that I remember most, and have commented on before, was a horror OWC where quite a few scripts described the ‘over grown weeds’ outside the house of their choosing. The emphasis being on neglect and abandoned etc

For this one I expected it to be Pumpkins, but no. So far, in the reads I have had, it’s been throwing the beer cans in a bin. Wouldn’t have guessed that in advance. :o

Also, and it’s no complaint as mine falls into this category which I thought I could get away with, but the challenge seemed to be after the clear up has occurred. Most scripts have them clearing up

And one final point. I don’t know what suburban means in some parts of the world, but a Mansion, or the like, doesn’t fit our suburban world  :K)

Nice to be back, even with Jeff  :D
Posted by: eldave1, October 13th, 2019, 12:38pm; Reply: 288

Quoted from Reef Dreamer
Often within a OWC there is a phrase, or description, that is repetitive.

The one that I remember most, and have commented on before, was a horror OWC where quite a few scripts described the ‘over grown weeds’ outside the house of their choosing. The emphasis being on neglect and abandoned etc

For this one I expected it to be Pumpkins, but no. So far, in the reads I have had, it’s been throwing the beer cans in a bin. Wouldn’t have guessed that in advance. :o

Also, and it’s no complaint as mine falls into this category which I thought I could get away with, but the challenge seemed to be after the clear up has occurred. Most scripts have them clearing up

And one final point. I don’t know what suburban means in some parts of the world, but a Mansion, or the like, doesn’t fit our suburban world  :K)

Nice to be back, even with Jeff  :D


Sounds like we needed:

EXT. NEGLECTED SUBURBAN HOUSE - NIGHT
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 13th, 2019, 12:40pm; Reply: 289
Suburban home can be any size home.

A suburb is a residential district located on the outskirts of a city. If you live in the suburbs, you probably travel to the city for work. Suburb comes from Latin: sub means "below or near" and urbis means "city." You also will recognize this root in urban.

A suburban home can be bog or small.  Being in the "suburbs" does not classify size of home.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 13th, 2019, 12:43pm; Reply: 290

Quoted from Dreamscale
Suburban home can be any size home.

A suburb is a residential district located on the outskirts of a city. If you live in the suburbs, you probably travel to the city for work. Suburb comes from Latin: sub means "below or near" and urbis means "city." You also will recognize this root in urban.

A suburban home can be bog or small.  Being in the "suburbs" does not classify size of home.


Fully understand they vary, and to be honest I’m not bothered by it as a criteria, when perhaps I should

I just don’t come across many isolated mansions, or houses with corn fields  :D


Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 13th, 2019, 12:44pm; Reply: 291

Quoted from eldave1


Sounds like we needed:

EXT. NEGLECTED SUBURBAN HOUSE - NIGHT - with bin of empty beer cans  


I’ve corrected you  :D

Posted by: stevie, October 13th, 2019, 3:40pm; Reply: 292
Have read a couple but not left reviews yet   Will do so when I’m less busy lol

Not a criticism of Clarkie’s great efforts to run this OWC but I feel an extra parameter might’ve given the scripts some more variety. Just an observation lol   Where’s a wheelchair or mime when u need it
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 13th, 2019, 5:50pm; Reply: 293
I think I've read six or seven so far. IMO, the writing has been better quality compared to the old days. The stories themselves have been okay, but I have not come across a standout yet.

I know Jeffie and I both wrote ours late Friday while consuming adult beverages and it shows. Perhaps others did as well. Oh well. Hard to teach old dogs something new.  ;D
Posted by: eldave1, October 13th, 2019, 6:39pm; Reply: 294

Quoted from Reef Dreamer


I’ve corrected you  :D



perfect
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 13th, 2019, 9:43pm; Reply: 295
So, after almost 48 hours, we have several with 10 feedback, and several with 5.

Not good.

Most feedback is so minimal.  Sorry, but it makes me pissed.

The work week is usually the slower time for reads, so let's just hope that's not the case.

With only 19 entries, one would think all entrants could comment on all scripts...at least with the 1 or 2 liners many are providing.

Just me being me.  Sorry if this offends anyone.

Thanks to Dave for reading, as I know he said he was out.  Rock on, Brother!
Posted by: Zack, October 13th, 2019, 9:52pm; Reply: 296
Took the day off to watch football. :P I'll be diving back into these tomorrow.
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 13th, 2019, 10:53pm; Reply: 297
I’m traveling. Will be hitting the reading hard on Wednesday. Promise to get to all of them this week.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 13th, 2019, 11:04pm; Reply: 298

Quoted from Reef Dreamer


Mind you, I read mine again and inevitably I found those annoying errors that I failed to spot

Hell, we only have a short period of time.




^ How I felt after seeing my careless errors in my script on Saturday. ^

And the REAL kick in the shins? It was all do to a revision before I submitted, not catching those small things which peeps couldn't help but notice. Just a friendly reminder than in a OWC, we are still only human and will make blunders.

I've already rewritten the piece and will resub here shortly after the dust settles.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 13th, 2019, 11:13pm; Reply: 299

Quoted from stevie
Have read a couple but not left reviews yet   Will do so when I’m less busy lol

Not a criticism of Clarkie’s great efforts to run this OWC but I feel an extra parameter might’ve given the scripts some more variety. Just an observation lol   Where’s a wheelchair or mime when u need it


A very good observation. Given the idea that one of the couple cannot "hear" the scream,  it never dawned on me until now that there is a lack of Mines. Shocking!
Posted by: ReneC, October 14th, 2019, 1:29am; Reply: 300
It's Thanksgiving here in Canada so I've been busy with family stuff. Hoping to get some reads in tomorrow (holiday so no work) but I have the kids. I've read three so far but only left one review, so more is coming, promise.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 14th, 2019, 2:08am; Reply: 301

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley




^ How I felt after seeing my careless errors in my script on Saturday. ^

And the REAL kick in the shins? It was all do to a revision before I submitted, not catching those small things which peeps couldn't help but notice. Just a friendly reminder than in a OWC, we are still only human and will make blunders.

I've already rewritten the piece and will resub here shortly after the dust settles.


Agreed.

One last minute change I made I spelt incorrectly - very annoying

Also, I find it funny that we agree in advance that these won’t be perfect, or polished, but then review them as if they should be. It’s always been that way, for some reason. I suppose that’s why I search for potential in the scripts more than the finish

A few more to do
Posted by: LC, October 14th, 2019, 6:25am; Reply: 302
A reminder, folks... As much as you think you know who wrote what, no guessing or blatant shout-outs please.
Posted by: Zack, October 14th, 2019, 8:07am; Reply: 303
I've got my floaties, my snorkel, and I'm ready to swan dive into this OWC jacuzzi. :D Watch out Jeff. And put some damn swimming trunks on! There are ladies here! ;D;D
Posted by: Andrew, October 14th, 2019, 10:40am; Reply: 304

Quoted from Dreamscale


Dude...Stevie.  C'mon man.  That's kind of gross, bro.



You dirty dogs!
Posted by: eldave1, October 14th, 2019, 11:41am; Reply: 305

Quoted from Dreamscale
So, after almost 48 hours, we have several with 10 feedback, and several with 5.

Not good.

Most feedback is so minimal.  Sorry, but it makes me pissed.

The work week is usually the slower time for reads, so let's just hope that's not the case.

With only 19 entries, one would think all entrants could comment on all scripts...at least with the 1 or 2 liners many are providing.

Just me being me.  Sorry if this offends anyone.

Thanks to Dave for reading, as I know he said he was out.  Rock on, Brother!


Thanks for the shout out - and - correct - I am not in.

Actually have not been in one this entire year - they keep falling on times that are impossible for me.
Posted by: eldave1, October 14th, 2019, 11:49am; Reply: 306
What I have learned so far:

1. I am not a fan of horror and have read very little of it in my life. However, after reading these, I know which type I prefer. Horror with a motivation/reason.  Some of these have gore for gore's sake - which I guess is okay for the genre. I preferred the ones where there was an arc - where I saw the justification for the deed.

2. I have a hard time carrying about characters that meet their horror demise if I don't care about the character.

And

For OWCs in general - I think next time I enter I am going to assess my own premise and plot points on how common (which might equal boring in a competition like this) they are and try to avoid those. By way of example, in this challenge tons of sexy costumes, tons of flirtation and sexual tensions, tons of did you hear that scream - what scream, a lot of cops, etc. Not bad for anyone script but when interwoven in a ton of scripts it does hinder a script for standing out. Hope that makes sense - but basically what I'm saying is that it might be strategic to go against the grain.

Surely hope that there are more reads coming. This is really seems low from a participation perspective.
Posted by: SAC, October 14th, 2019, 12:26pm; Reply: 307
If any reader is not “in” but is reading a ton of scripts I’ll see if Don will send you over a voter’s tally if you want. It’s only fair and awesome of peeps to read when they don’t have a horse in the race.

Also...

When I received the script entries I purposely told Don to leave it anonymous to me as well. Thought it’d be more fun that way. That said, Dave, I don’t know if you’re in or out, however I did spot a clue early on from you. Or was it?
Posted by: eldave1, October 14th, 2019, 12:41pm; Reply: 308

Quoted from SAC
If any reader is not “in” but is reading a ton of scripts I’ll see if Don will send you over a voter’s tally if you want. It’s only fair and awesome of peeps to read when they don’t have a horse in the race.

Also...

When I received the script entries I purposely told Don to leave it anonymous to me as well. Thought it’d be more fun that way. That said, Dave, I don’t know if you’re in or out, however I did spot a clue early on from you. Or was it?


No, I am definitely out.  I don't need a vote - I learned a lot from the reads - good enough.
Posted by: SAC, October 14th, 2019, 1:46pm; Reply: 309
That’s cool. Anyone who would like a scorecard just pm Don.
Posted by: stevie, October 14th, 2019, 4:22pm; Reply: 310
I prolly won’t have time to review many as work is full on   I do night shift so try to sleep in the day but it’s near impossible as I drink a lot of coffee lol   And I can survive on 3/4 hrs sleep anyway

I’m not in this horse race but will definitely review if some one pm’s me   Feel free

And I agree with Dave - which backs up my earlier comment - that all the tropes pop up in the scripts I’ve read so they do tend to be similar in a fashion which then leads to skimming
Posted by: LC, October 14th, 2019, 5:48pm; Reply: 311
I don't see what all the fuss is about with the standard SUBURBAN HOME and the Naughty Nurse opening horror tropes being used over and over etc.

Halloween, the movie uses : EXT. LAURIE' S HOUSE - DAY  / MYERS HOUSE etc. Is that better? It Follows starts exactly with: EXT. SUBURBAN STREET - NIGHT.

We experience reader fatigue with repetitive opening sluglines, but would INNER CITY APARTMENT have been any more exciting to read?

The challenge guidelines stipulate a COUPLE - they're likely going to throw their party in their home. In the aftermath there's a scream. The brief implies guests in Halloween costumes leaving. Would CATWOMAN instead of NAUGHTY NURSE leaving be more exciting? Maybe. Without the Halloween costumes on screen and just the 'couple' what we're seeing on screen might lack colour.

What's lacking for me in what I've read so far (and this is not a criticism); is real scares, real suspense, and dread. And originality of story.
I want to be on the edge of my seat when watching horror.

This exercise just proves horror is hard to master.

In this regard it's a good learning tool.

Horror is not easy. Without an original concept and/or subverting of horror tropes things get boring and predictable.

I'm ignoring the openings mostly cause yep, they are becoming déjà vu.

Still searching for the diamond in the rough.

I didn't enter my effort cause even I found it: oh so, been there, seen that.

Posted by: ChrisBodily, October 14th, 2019, 6:48pm; Reply: 312

Quoted from LC
A reminder, folks... As much as you think you know who wrote what, no guessing or blatant shout-outs please.


So in other words, just tell your men to keep their mouths shut and their eyes open?

Gotcha.  :)
Posted by: leitskev, October 14th, 2019, 6:48pm; Reply: 313
"I am looking forward to one where one person hears the scream and doesn't share that info with the other person."

Would that be easy to show in film? If we hear the scream, the audience assumes the characters do too, unless one says she doesn't. I guess you could do it if one character is not in the scene yet.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 14th, 2019, 7:01pm; Reply: 314

Quoted from leitskev
"I am looking forward to one where one person hears the scream and doesn't share that info with the other person."

Would that be easy to show in film? If we hear the scream, the audience assumes the characters do too, unless one says she doesn't. I guess you could do it if one character is not in the scene yet.


Keep reading...you'll find one.  I promise.
Posted by: eldave1, October 14th, 2019, 7:10pm; Reply: 315

Quoted from leitskev
"I am looking forward to one where one person hears the scream and doesn't share that info with the other person."

Would that be easy to show in film? If we hear the scream, the audience assumes the characters do too, unless one says she doesn't. I guess you could do it if one character is not in the scene yet.


Easy
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 15th, 2019, 1:29am; Reply: 316

Quoted from LC
. Would CATWOMAN instead of NAUGHTY NURSE be more exciting?



now you mention it  ;D

must be the skin tight suit....meow :K)
Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 15th, 2019, 9:22am; Reply: 317
Lost track of how many I have read: But my take on things so far...

1) Only those living in the suburbs throw Halloween Party's

2) Female Halloween costumes are apparently always "sexy" as opposed to scary

3) Opening 4 pages of dull, meaningless conversation get old V. fast. I think I have only read 1 so far that opens with a clear horror theme.

4) I do not like the mentality of "It's horror, doesn't need an explanation" - Is a little substance too much to ask for? a little sprinkling of reasoning or backstory

I'm getting grumpy... think I should stop reading for a while and go get a drink lol
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 15th, 2019, 12:59pm; Reply: 318

Quoted from Matthew Taylor


I'm getting grumpy... think I should stop reading for a while and go get a drink lol


I can understand - it’s does get to you. Especially when there is a lot of repetition, which appears the case.

On the flip side, my week has been brightened up no end by my new favourite word...

(screams)
YEOOWWEE!

I have been chuckling to myself all through the day  :D

Posted by: Zack, October 15th, 2019, 1:03pm; Reply: 319

Quoted from Reef Dreamer


On the flip side, my week has been brightened up no end by my new favourite word...

(screams)
YEOOWWEE!

I have been chuckling to myself all through the day  :D




Yeoowwee!! makes all the babes clammy. ;D;D;D

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 15th, 2019, 9:04pm; Reply: 320
Why are some peeps questioning the "suburban" part of the challenge?  I'm kind of lost.

Maybe suburban means something different across the pond?

Just asking, cuz suburban means outside of a city.  It means the house have streets and driveways, and some land...maybe, depending on where we are.
Posted by: eldave1, October 15th, 2019, 9:27pm; Reply: 321

Quoted from LC
I don't see what all the fuss is about with the standard SUBURBAN HOME and the Naughty Nurse opening horror tropes being used over and over etc.

Halloween, the movie uses : EXT. LAURIE' S HOUSE - DAY  / MYERS HOUSE etc. Is that better? It Follows starts exactly with: EXT. SUBURBAN STREET - NIGHT.

We experience reader fatigue with repetitive opening sluglines, but would INNER CITY APARTMENT have been any more exciting to read?

The challenge guidelines stipulate a COUPLE - they're likely going to throw their party in their home. In the aftermath there's a scream. The brief implies guests in Halloween costumes leaving. Would CATWOMAN instead of NAUGHTY NURSE leaving be more exciting? Maybe. Without the Halloween costumes on screen and just the 'couple' what we're seeing on screen might lack colour.

What's lacking for me in what I've read so far (and this is not a criticism); is real scares, real suspense, and dread. And originality of story.
I want to be on the edge of my seat when watching horror.

This exercise just proves horror is hard to master.

In this regard it's a good learning tool.

Horror is not easy. Without an original concept and/or subverting of horror tropes things get boring and predictable.

I'm ignoring the openings mostly cause yep, they are becoming déjà vu.

Still searching for the diamond in the rough.

I didn't enter my effort cause even I found it: oh so, been there, seen that.



I didn't find anything wrong wish Suburban. And I didn't find anything wrong with sexy costumes. I was speaking more to a strategy 4 these challenges. That is, anticipating what the standard settings are going to be and shaking it up in your script. In other words, that very thing may make it stand out versus blending with others. That was it. Just a rambling thought for me future challenges on how to be different. It may well bomb, but I think it would stand out more. Who knows?
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 15th, 2019, 10:18pm; Reply: 322

Quoted from eldave1


I didn't find anything wrong wish Suburban. And I didn't find anything wrong with sexy costumes. I was speaking more to a strategy 4 these challenges. That is, anticipating what the standard settings are going to be and shaking it up in your script. In other words, that very thing may make it stand out versus blending with others. That was it. Just a rambling thought for me future challenges on how to be different. It may well bomb, but I think it would stand out more. Who knows?


Dave, although you don't seem to get what I've been saying, once again, we are saying the exact same thing.

Using a Slug, that gets repeated over and over again, of "SUBURBAN HOME" is exactly the problem we're both talking about.

You get me?  C'mon, MAN!!!   8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Posted by: LC, October 15th, 2019, 11:11pm; Reply: 323
Dave, I get it.

An OWC strategy thing in terms of an entry standing out, being memorable, not conforming to the obvious opening location, stereotypes etc., as prompted by a knee-jerk reaction to challenge parameters.

I concur.
It does make you think for next time.

Of course the entire script will have to measure up to its inventive opening, alt or offbeat location, and non stereotypical characters. Hmm, perhaps that's a good inspirational tool in general. Ideas and concept are the most difficult thing imh, more than the actual writing.

Interesting...
Posted by: eldave1, October 15th, 2019, 11:18pm; Reply: 324

Quoted from LC
Dave, I get it.

An OWC strategy thing in terms of an entry standing out, being memorable, not conforming to the obvious opening location, stereotypes etc., as prompted by a knee-jerk reaction to challenge parameters.

I concur.
It does make you think for next time.

Of course the entire script will have to measure up to its inventive opening, alt or offbeat location, and non stereotypical characters. Hmm, perhaps that's a good inspirational tool in general. Ideas and concept are the most difficult thing imh, more than the actual writing.

Interesting...


Yes it was just me musing. I'm pretty sure and I entered I would have had a typical Suburban home, the sexy costumes to set up sexual tension or flirtation and all the rest of the stuff that I seen. It was just an observation from an outsider this time that struck me, next time go against the grain. Could be a total bomb, but then again it could be a difference-maker.
Posted by: eldave1, October 15th, 2019, 11:19pm; Reply: 325

Quoted from Dreamscale


Dave, although you don't seem to get what I've been saying, once again, we are saying the exact same thing.

Using a Slug, that gets repeated over and over again, of "SUBURBAN HOME" is exactly the problem we're both talking about.

You get me?  C'mon, MAN!!!   8) 8) 8) 8) 8)



Thought you were saying that you didn't like Suburban home is a slug. That is that it was an incorrect header. If you're saying you just would have liked to see something more inventive, okay.

Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 16th, 2019, 3:33am; Reply: 326

Quoted from Dreamscale
Why are some peeps questioning the "suburban" part of the challenge?  I'm kind of lost.

Maybe suburban means something different across the pond?

Just asking, cuz suburban means outside of a city.  It means the house have streets and driveways, and some land...maybe, depending on where we are.


I've been thinking about how to properly articulate what my issue with suburban was. But I'm no good at articulating anything so I'll just ramble.

1) Repetition - This is obviously not the fault of individual writers and doesn't affect individual scripts. But when you read 6/7 scripts back to back and almost every one starts with SUBURBAN HOME - it becomes grating. There are other places to live in...

2) Preconception - Suburban conjures different images I guess. If I think of suburban America, I think affluent white neighborhoods - basically desperate housewives. So when I am reading all of these, in my head I am basically picturing the same house. If I had written for the challenge and based it in England - I wouldn't use Suburban, I would describe the house (Detached, terraced, Victorian, Edwardian, new build, council house)

3) Theme - Leading on from point 2, I imagine fairly new and pristine houses with manicured lawns. This doesn't immediately strike me as a great setting for horror, not as much as say, a creepy cabin in the woods.

Overall I guess I just wanted some variety lol


Scratch all of that lol - Just reread Jeffs comment "....suburban part of the challenge"

So I reread the parameters

"It�s close to midnight in a seemingly ordinary suburban home"

I didn't realize the parameter was to actually set it in a suburban home (I thought it was just "home" and everyone happened to choose the suburbs lol). Very sorry, I take it all back.

as my tutor used to say RTFQ - Read the fuckin' question!
Posted by: SAC, October 16th, 2019, 5:45am; Reply: 327
And maybe some of that was on me. Suburban home was not one of the challenge parameters, rather just something I wrote in a grabber. It could have been an isolated farmhouse or, as Jeff said, a “tiny” home. Sorry if there was any confusion.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 16th, 2019, 6:35am; Reply: 328

Quoted from SAC
And maybe some of that was on me. Suburban home was not one of the challenge parameters, rather just something I wrote in a grabber. It could have been an isolated farmhouse or, as Jeff said, a “tiny” home. Sorry if there was any confusion.


Oh now you tell us. :)
Had I or others known, it could have seen set in a condo.
Posted by: SAC, October 16th, 2019, 7:04am; Reply: 329

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


Oh now you tell us. :)
Had I or others known, it could have seen set in a condo.


My grabber wouldn’t have read as well if I’d started listing possible locations!
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 16th, 2019, 7:21am; Reply: 330
What about the parameters for couple? I just read one where some were saying it didn't meet the couple parameters. There were two people in it, but they were not married or anything.
Posted by: SAC, October 16th, 2019, 7:37am; Reply: 331

Quoted from Grandma Bear
What about the parameters for couple? I just read one where some were saying it didn't meet the couple parameters. There were two people in it, but they were not married or anything.


Don had asked that question on this thread early on. It could have been a traditional or non-traditional couple.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 16th, 2019, 10:24am; Reply: 332

Quoted from SAC
And maybe some of that was on me. Suburban home was not one of the challenge parameters, rather just something I wrote in a grabber. It could have been an isolated farmhouse or, as Jeff said, a “tiny” home. Sorry if there was any confusion.


Thanks for the confirmation - a surprise to me, I have to say.

But that is a good reason why I think we have be open minded with the criteria

Or to steal a therapeutic phrase, we should ‘hold them lightly’ , be open to difference, or reasons we don’t yet know.

Ok, there are times when enough is enough. The script without an elevator in the elevator challenge comes to mind. But other than that, we should be chilled.

In this OWC I thought I applied one factor - which I look forward to explaining later on - in a creative manner, but this has passed people by. Now I am as guilty as anybody on missing things, it can often be a rush to read them. But I don’t hold them against the script just because I would do it differently, or feel they are not as strong as I would like.

Without being prescriptive, it almost seems like an OWC could have A and B criteria. A you must include, eg a wheelchair, scream, and B ones that are open to interpretation, eg suburban house.

Then again it could take the fun away of arguing about them  ;D




Posted by: eldave1, October 16th, 2019, 10:37am; Reply: 333

Quoted from Reef Dreamer


Thanks for the confirmation - a surprise to me, I have to say.

But that is a good reason why I think we have be open minded with the criteria

Or to steal a therapeutic phrase, we should ‘hold them lightly’ , be open to difference, or reasons we don’t yet know.

Ok, there are times when enough is enough. The script without an elevator in the elevator challenge comes to mind. But other than that, we should be chilled.

In this OWC I thought I applied one factor - which I look forward to explaining later on - in a creative manner, but this has passed people by. Now I am as guilty as anybody on missing things, it can often be a rush to read them. But I don’t hold them against the script just because I would do it differently, or feel they are not as strong as I would like.

Without being prescriptive, it almost seems like an OWC could have A and B criteria. A you must include, eg a wheelchair, scream, and B ones that are open to interpretation, eg suburban house.

Then again it could take the fun away of arguing about them  ;D



The only thing that anyone really stretched in this one was whether "the scream" had to relate to the rest of the story. I would have assumed that it should be central. A couple of these scripts did not (i.e., the scream was incidental). I would have let them both pass since it was really specified - although implied.


Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 16th, 2019, 10:54am; Reply: 334

Quoted from eldave1
Thought you were saying that you didn't like Suburban home is a slug. That is that it was an incorrect header. If you're saying you just would have liked to see something more inventive, okay.


I HATE "SUBURBAN HOME" as a Slug!

There's nothing inherently "wrong" with it.  It's just boring, it tells us nothing, and, in this challenge, look how many God Damned times it was used.  That should tell you something right off the bat.

It's like using "STREET", or some other dumbass, boring Slug that one sees over and over.

A "Suburban home" can be so many different things, just like a "street" can be.

I say, give your script some life.  Make it unique, whether the story and action is unique or not - you can at least make it look like it is.

Posted by: eldave1, October 16th, 2019, 12:36pm; Reply: 335

Quoted from Dreamscale


I HATE "SUBURBAN HOME" as a Slug!

There's nothing inherently "wrong" with it.  It's just boring, it tells us nothing, and, in this challenge, look how many God Damned times it was used.  That should tell you something right off the bat.

It's like using "STREET", or some other dumbass, boring Slug that one sees over and over.

A "Suburban home" can be so many different things, just like a "street" can be.

I say, give your script some life.  Make it unique, whether the story and action is unique or not - you can at least make it look like it is.



It was used 6 times as the opening slug.

For me, personally - I would have never made a comment on it. Not a deal.  But that's for me. That being said, I do agree with you that wherever you can add "pop" to your header - wise to do so. BUT -- I can also say that I didn't find any of the other SLUGS special either. The rest were simply OWNER'S NAME/HOUSE, A SPECIFIC ROOM IN A HOUSE - A SPECIFIC BUILDING (e.g., FARM HOUSE). Long winded way of saying SUBURBAN HOUSE pretty much drew the same reaction from me as every other header.

It is an interesting topic you bring up here and may be a good general thread discussion  i.e., how to write headers that pop.  
Posted by: eldave1, October 16th, 2019, 12:38pm; Reply: 336
Will be leaving for Tahoe soon - so won't be very active after this Friday - wanted to give my shout out to all who entered.

I think this is going to be real close. There were six that I thought were contenders. Will be interesting to see how the voting goes.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 16th, 2019, 12:42pm; Reply: 337
My computer rebooted during the night and cleared my score sheet!   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 16th, 2019, 2:10pm; Reply: 338

Quoted from Grandma Bear
My computer rebooted during the night and cleared my score sheet!   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


A bummer, just vote for mine  :o

But you know what, after all the various voting models there are out there, I still like the old Movie Poet option. Seemed to sum it up well without the extra fluff.

Posted by: LC, October 16th, 2019, 5:45pm; Reply: 339

Quoted from eldave1


It was used 6 times as the opening slug.

For me, personally - I would have never made a comment on it. Not a deal.  But that's for me. That being said, I do agree with you that wherever you can add "pop" to your header - wise to do so. BUT -- I can also say that I didn't find any of the other SLUGS special either. The rest were simply OWNER'S NAME/HOUSE, A SPECIFIC ROOM IN A HOUSE - A SPECIFIC BUILDING (e.g., FARM HOUSE). Long winded way of saying SUBURBAN HOUSE pretty much drew the same reaction from me as every other header.

It is an interesting topic you bring up here and may be a good general thread discussion  i.e., how to write headers that pop.  


Great suggestion, Dave.
https://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1571265713/

And, I just changed the thread title cause the 'pop' was better.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 16th, 2019, 11:20pm; Reply: 340
I honestly feel like I must be reading a different draft or completely different script than the vast majority...or else I just have no clue anymore...or maybe ever.

I read a script and give very detailed feedback and then read over the previous feedback and I'm completely baffled at what I'm reading.  It must be me, and maybe I just don't get it.

Sorry for negative feedback on scripts that are praised.  It must be me, and please don't take my feedback to heart.

3 more to go and then everyone gets a bye for a long time.  My apologies, again, and I do mean that.
Posted by: Zack, October 16th, 2019, 11:26pm; Reply: 341

Quoted from Dreamscale
I honestly feel like I must be reading a different draft or completely different script than the vast majority...or else I just have no clue anymore...or maybe ever.

I read a script and give very detailed feedback and then read over the previous feedback and I'm completely baffled at what I'm reading.  It must be me, and maybe I just don't get it.

Sorry for negative feedback on scripts that are praised.  It must be me, and please don't take my feedback to heart.

3 more to go and then everyone gets a bye for a long time.  My apologies, again, and I do mean that.


Dude, you've got absolutely nothing to apologise for. Your feedback is honest and valuable. So you really disliked something a few other praised. Big deal. Everyone has their own opinion. Stick by yours. Anyone has a problem with that, then that's on them.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 16th, 2019, 11:34pm; Reply: 342

Quoted from Zack


Dude, you've got absolutely nothing to apologise for. Your feedback is honest and valuable. So you really disliked something a few other praised. Big deal. Everyone has their own opinion. Stick by yours. Anyone has a problem with that, then that's on them.



It's not that.  It's that I'm shocked at alot of the feedback, praising scripts that are...well...uhhhh...aren't great, by any means.

I don't get it.

Posted by: SAC, October 17th, 2019, 5:44am; Reply: 343

Quoted from Dreamscale


It's not that.  It's that I'm shocked at alot of the feedback, praising scripts that are...well...uhhhh...aren't great, by any means.

I don't get it.



It’s hard to say, I think. In the past I’ve usually agreed with your feedback, or just generally whether you liked a script or not. There are times where I scratch my head and wonder what others are thinking, so you’re not alone in that respect.

It’s subjective. There are things that speak to me in certain scripts that maybe others aren’t seeing or aren’t getting or just doesn’t strike others the same way. Those “certain” things can elevate a script greatly for me, to the point I’ll overlook formatting miscues or other things, like camera angles. There was one script I read that I liked, then I went back and read the comments and peeps were bitching about the use of camera direction. I was like - wow, I didn’t even notice.

Then there’s reviewing style. If I see a script that was obviously written by someone new to screenwriting I’ll take a softer approach in my critique and avoid using phrases like “poorly written” or “this is terrible.” I’ll try to highlight things that did work. It’s not necessarily sugarcoating, so it’s possible some reviews might seem more positive than others. Then again, I usually keep my comments brief during the OWC.

I don’t know. But you give very detailed feedback, as well as some others, and that’s awesome IMO.
Posted by: eldave1, October 17th, 2019, 10:27am; Reply: 344

Quoted from Dreamscale


It's not that.  It's that I'm shocked at alot of the feedback, praising scripts that are...well...uhhhh...aren't great, by any means.

I don't get it.



Just my opinion, but you may want to re-calibrate what your perspective is on "praise." Because you really can't tell what the genuine feedback is until the scores on in. In my experience, regardless of comments, the scripts that are the best usually come out on top - there are exceptions - but it is rare. i.e., the ratings/rankings are the most genuine feedback.

The other thing is that there are things you care about that others don't. No judgement on right or wrong here - but I don't think I've ever made a comment in the OWCs on the title page or logline. For me, in an OWC, they are irrelevant. For you they are important. Let's assume that you are right and I am wrong (i.e., one should comment on them) - well - your going to have negative comments on these in many places - I'm not going to have any comments at all. Same with things like asides, orphans, wrylies, etc.  They are not as important issues to some as they are to others.

So the bottom line is that how many times over the years do you think crap scripts made the top three - isn't it extremely rare? IMO, there are six scripts here that I think are contenders with three that are probably battling out for the top spot. I'll bet that 90% of the reviewers have the same scripts when the ratings come out - only because in the 20 of these that I have been involved in - they do.
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 17th, 2019, 10:59am; Reply: 345

Quoted from eldave1


No judgement on right or wrong here - but I don't think I've ever made a comment in the OWCs on the title page or logline. For me, in an OWC, they are irrelevant. For you they are important.  


I know this isn't the point of your comments, Dave... but, I find it an interesting discussion point, so I'll pull it out for comment: I spend about 5 minutes on the logline and title. Which, is probably not a good idea. Many times I'll rework both after the contest is over... but, I do think it hurts my reads... and since these things are posted for anyone to view, I probably should take them more seriously right from the start. You never know who might be lurking on these boards.
Posted by: eldave1, October 17th, 2019, 11:23am; Reply: 346

Quoted from PKCardinal


I know this isn't the point of your comments, Dave... but, I find it an interesting discussion point, so I'll pull it out for comment: I spend about 5 minutes on the logline and title. Which, is probably not a good idea. Many times I'll rework both after the contest is over... but, I do think it hurts my reads... and since these things are posted for anyone to view, I probably should take them more seriously right from the start. You never know who might be lurking on these boards.


I don't disagree here at all. I think one should attempt to write the best logline and title that they should. Always.

It's just me in terms of what I review an OWC for - I hardly ever read the logline cause I'm going to read the script anyway and only really notice clever titles - and it has no bearing on my vote anyway. So - I was really just talking about what I care about as an OWC reader. Some readers think the logline and title are important review elements - I certainly don't fault them for that POV.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 11:33am; Reply: 347
The Logline and Title are not important to me, but if they're all fucked up, I'm definitely going to let the writer know that.  They give me a good idea of what I'm in store for, too.
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 17th, 2019, 11:40am; Reply: 348

Quoted from eldave1


I don't disagree here at all. I think one should attempt to write the best logline and title that they should. Always.

It's just me in terms of what I review an OWC for - I hardly ever read the logline cause I'm going to read the script anyway and only really notice clever titles - and it has no bearing on my vote anyway. So - I was really just talking about what I care about as an OWC reader. Some readers think the logline and title are important review elements - I certainly don't fault them for that POV.


Oh, yeah, I get what you're saying. I rarely note the title or the logline in my reviews... unless they really stand out. And I never consider them in grading.

Just saying that I'm slowly coming to realize I should put more effort into them even if it's "just" an OWC. (I'm really not very good at them, and I need to get better. So, what better way to practice than an OWC?)
Posted by: eldave1, October 17th, 2019, 1:40pm; Reply: 349

Quoted from PKCardinal


Oh, yeah, I get what you're saying. I rarely note the title or the logline in my reviews... unless they really stand out. And I never consider them in grading.

Just saying that I'm slowly coming to realize I should put more effort into them even if it's "just" an OWC. (I'm really not very good at them, and I need to get better. So, what better way to practice than an OWC?)


Concur.
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 17th, 2019, 2:48pm; Reply: 350
Responding to the above discussion...for me, I go into reading knowing the time constraints of a OWC. So personally,  I never pat attention to the logline and I know dialog probably isn't at it's peak, and narratives aren't as edited as they would be if given more time and slugs aren't as polished. I am bothered if something is riddled with misspellings or really bad issues like narrative in the dialog. What I'm looking for is interesting characters and story. That's just me.

I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft.  Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal.
Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.
Posted by: eldave1, October 17th, 2019, 2:56pm; Reply: 351

Quoted from mmmarnie
Responding to the above discussion...for me, I go into reading knowing the time constraints of a OWC. So personally,  I never pat attention to the logline and I know dialog probably isn't at it's peak, and narratives aren't as edited as they would be if given more time and slugs aren't as polished. I am bothered if something is riddled with misspellings or really bad issues like narrative in the dialog. What I'm looking for is interesting characters and story. That's just me.

I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft.  Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal.
Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.


These things do get the creative juices going
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 17th, 2019, 3:03pm; Reply: 352

Quoted from mmmarnie
Responding to the above discussion...for me, I go into reading knowing the time constraints of a OWC. So personally,  I never pat attention to the logline and I know dialog probably isn't at it's peak, and narratives aren't as edited as they would be if given more time and slugs aren't as polished. I am bothered if something is riddled with misspellings or really bad issues like narrative in the dialog. What I'm looking for is interesting characters and story. That's just me.

I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft.  Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal.
Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.



Well done, Marnie.  I am pleased for you that life has settled down, it seems like it’s been a tough ride.

But like you, I missed writing. I took a break for a different reason, but it still felt like I left a gap. I kept on being asked, ‘how’s the writing?’  When I wasn't doing any.

I’m not sure I would have the ‘balls’ to do what you’ve done this time - I’ve always had to work hard to produce anything meaningful as writing doesn’t come naturally. Stories I see, writing them is harder.

Indeed, It took me a few years to realise I don’t have the thick skin needed for this profession, but I still like to write. But if you don’t try, you don’t begin.

Hope my feedback was ok.

If you had seen mine after two hours it would have been both unfinished and a joke...well more than it became.

Good to see us both back  :D


Posted by: Zack, October 17th, 2019, 3:42pm; Reply: 353
Are we allowed to start guessing who wrote what yet?
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 17th, 2019, 3:51pm; Reply: 354

Quoted from Zack
Are we allowed to start guessing who wrote what yet?


I haven’t got a scooby doo

Never been good at that
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 17th, 2019, 4:36pm; Reply: 355

Quoted from mmmarnie


I spent all of 2 hours on my submission. Planned on going back to edit but got called into work two extra days, so I turned in my vomit draft.  Almost didn't but I'm glad I did since I haven't written anything in 4 years. Feel like I finally broke the seal.
Can't wait for the next challenge!! I missed this place.


I spent four and a half days on mine, revised it twice and still missed stuff. The palm of my right hand is still stuck to my forehead like superglue. It's not a pretty sight.  Neither is that script. First thing on the docket is giving the scream the walking papers, because the real screams were coming from my peeps reading the stuff. Not in a good way. Maybe it wasn't screaming, but actually cruel sadistic laughter.

Oh yeah. Screw Suburban Homes too. I hate them now.
Posted by: LC, October 17th, 2019, 4:37pm; Reply: 356

Quoted from Zack
Are we allowed to start guessing who wrote what yet?

You might want to get the go ahead from Steve.

Just bear in mind, speculation... but no outing yourselves at this point.

Zack, are the votes all in yet? Cause I'm not voting I'm not up to speed on the closing dates.
If they're not all in hold off on guesses imh.

Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 17th, 2019, 4:44pm; Reply: 357
Opening post says writers will be revealed tomorrow, so voting should end tonight I would guess (tonight USA time, obviously)

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 5:08pm; Reply: 358
On the score sheet, there's a script titled, And The He Cometh.

I don't see that script anywhere, nor do I recall seeing it.
Posted by: SAC, October 17th, 2019, 5:25pm; Reply: 359
By all means, start the guessing!
Posted by: LC, October 17th, 2019, 5:25pm; Reply: 360
It's listed on the main scripts page. Writer pulled it.
https://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-oct19/m-1570854932/s-new/
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 5:27pm; Reply: 361
Thanks, Libby
Posted by: Zack, October 17th, 2019, 5:38pm; Reply: 362
For my guesses, I've got Anon for "For the Love of Satan", and Jeff down for "Devil's Night Massacre". ;D;D;D
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 17th, 2019, 5:56pm; Reply: 363
scoresheet e-mail said votes are due tomorrow.

I was hoping it was late tomorrow... as I need every minute to finish reading.

Can we get a clarification on when precisely the votes are due?
Posted by: LC, October 17th, 2019, 5:57pm; Reply: 364
Hmm, I agree with you Zack on the Devil's Night - I'm wondering if it was co-written with a certain someone.  ;) Could be wrong.

Cold Blood - maybe PK or Alex or Marnie?

Posted by: SAC, October 17th, 2019, 6:03pm; Reply: 365

Quoted from PKCardinal
scoresheet e-mail said votes are due tomorrow.

I was hoping it was late tomorrow... as I need every minute to finish reading.

Can we get a clarification on when precisely the votes are due?


We can have till midnight.
Posted by: PKCardinal, October 17th, 2019, 6:06pm; Reply: 366

Quoted from SAC


We can have till midnight.


I'll try and get it in even earlier... but, I usually try and read all of them, and I'm way behind.

Maybe I'll skip the reviews for now. Read and score... then circle back for reviews over the next week.

Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 17th, 2019, 6:06pm; Reply: 367
I still have three to read and I also need to redo the score sheet since my laptop erased what I had entered.

I have no idea who wrote what, except for Jeff. Not because he told me, but I know his writing by now.  ;D
Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 17th, 2019, 6:13pm; Reply: 368

Quoted from Zack
For my guesses, I've got Anon for "For the Love of Satan", and Jeff down for "Devil's Night Massacre". ;D;D;D


Oh, I had Jeff down for Twins
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 6:17pm; Reply: 369
I really dislike the scoresheet thing.  Too complicated for me.  I like using a simple 0-5 score for each script, and 1/2's are allowed.

I know several, not because anyone told me, but because...I just know.
I thought I knew Pia's, but she tells me I'm wrong, so now I'm not sure what the Swede wrote.

I know Zack for sure.  I think I know Marnie.  I know DJS.  I think I know Steven's, but I think he said he didn't enter a script, so I guess I don't know that one.

I also know mine...and my co-writer.  Oh shit...wait!  I can't release that info, can I?  Damn...I wish there was a back button so I could just edit this before sending.
Posted by: LC, October 17th, 2019, 6:31pm; Reply: 370
My bet's on John for The Art Of War & Darren for The Magic Candy.   :D
Posted by: SAC, October 17th, 2019, 6:32pm; Reply: 371

Quoted from Dreamscale
I really dislike the scoresheet thing.  Too complicated for me.  I like using a simple 0-5 score for each script, and 1/2's are allowed.

I know several, not because anyone told me, but because...I just know.
I thought I knew Pia's, but she tells me I'm wrong, so now I'm not sure what the Swede wrote.

I know Zack for sure.  I think I know Marnie.  I know DJS.  I think I know Steven's, but I think he said he didn't enter a script, so I guess I don't know that one.

I also know mine...and my co-writer.  Oh shit...wait!  I can't release that info, can I?  Damn...I wish there was a back button so I could just edit this before sending.


Was I allowed to enter a script??? Damn!
Posted by: LC, October 17th, 2019, 6:47pm; Reply: 372

Quoted from Dreamscale
...
I know several, not because anyone told me, but because...I just know.
I thought I knew Pia's, but she tells me I'm wrong, so now I'm not sure what the Swede wrote.

I know Zack for sure.  I think I know Marnie.  I know DJS.  I think I know Steven's, but I think he said he didn't enter a script, so I guess I don't know that...

So, give us your specific guesses, Jeff. C'mon, it's all just bit of fun.
Posted by: LC, October 17th, 2019, 6:49pm; Reply: 373
Forgot to add: I'm guessing Zack wrote The Night He Came Back.
Posted by: ghost and_ghostie gal, October 17th, 2019, 6:51pm; Reply: 374

Quoted from Matthew Taylor


Oh, I had Jeff down for Twins


I remember times when I made a correct choice, then changed my mind and was wrong.


Quoted Text
Forgot to add: I'm guessing Zack wrote The Night He Came Back.


Yup! ;D-A
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 17th, 2019, 7:06pm; Reply: 375

Quoted from LC
My bet's on John for The Art Of War & Darren for The Magic Candy.   :D


Nope on Candy.  
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 7:06pm; Reply: 376
The Night He Came Back - Zack Attack

The Art of War - Marnie

Curse of Osiris - Matthew

Party Out Of Bounds - Steven
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 17th, 2019, 7:09pm; Reply: 377
I already know who wrote one of the scripts, because they were a new writer to SS and gave up the  ghost after I reviewed them. Don caught it, and deleted, or had the author delete that early reveal. Odd thing is, I forget the fella's name,(The script was Halloween After Party.)
Posted by: SAC, October 17th, 2019, 7:21pm; Reply: 378
I’m guessing Jeff wrote whichever script it was that mentioned “reverse cowgirl.”
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 8:30pm; Reply: 379

Quoted from SAC
I’m guessing Jeff wrote whichever script it was that mentioned “reverse cowgirl.”


I'm pissed I didn't include that in my entry!   ;D ;D ;D ;D  That was a nice line and visual.

I know DJS's, but I'm not going to reveal it yet.

I also now know Pia's, but won't reveal that one, either.

Libby, are you in?  I seem to remember you saying you didn't enter...but now, I'm wondering...

Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 17th, 2019, 8:50pm; Reply: 380

Quoted from Dreamscale


I'm pissed I didn't include that in my entry!   ;D ;D ;D ;D  That was a nice line and visual.

I know DJS's, but I'm not going to reveal it yet.

I also now know Pia's, but won't reveal that one, either.

Libby, are you in?  I seem to remember you saying you didn't enter...but now, I'm wondering...



There's only one way you might know mine, and that's because I briefly had a revision up at Script Revolution Tuesday (I have taken it down there due to further revising) although, despite the current OWC errors I had, it is quite possible some of my usual writing style filirterd through, but I think those errors threw folks off.

Hell...it threw ME off...

Posted by: SAC, October 17th, 2019, 9:05pm; Reply: 381
I’ll say it again that I do not know who wrote what. I requested to Don not to give me that info. I thought It’d be more fun that way. So that being said, I’m guessing Dave Wrote The Art of War.

Other than that, I’ve no clue.
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 17th, 2019, 9:23pm; Reply: 382

Quoted from Dreamscale


The Art of War - Marnie



I loved that one, so thanks Jeff. I actually thought that was Bill's. Mine is a freakin' hot mess. No joke. But I needed to submit something. Need a reboot!!

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 9:57pm; Reply: 383

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


There's only one way you might know mine, and that's because I briefly had a revision up at Script Revolution Tuesday (I have taken it down there due to further revising) although, despite the current OWC errors I had, it is quite possible some of my usual writing style filirterd through, but I think those errors threw folks off.

Hell...it threw ME off...


I don't follow script revolution.

Posted by: LC, October 17th, 2019, 10:36pm; Reply: 384
Jeff, to answer your question: No entry from me.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 17th, 2019, 11:02pm; Reply: 385

Quoted from LC
Jeff, to answer your question: No entry from me.


Otay, then I'm right about Marnie's script.

Posted by: ChrisBodily, October 18th, 2019, 1:08am; Reply: 386
Only two people could have written The Night He Came Back. And since I didn't write it, and I don't think anybody threw me a curveball, I think it's safe to say it's Zack.

I know at least some of the ones that are new writers or ESL.

Did Khamanna enter anything? Maybe her or Bill for Twins.

Jeff for... The End of the Harvest? :D *Shrug*
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 18th, 2019, 1:37am; Reply: 387
If I have a method of working it is is a follows;

Jeff - slasher, lots will die, sometimes for no apparent reason - now which suits that?

Pia - will include a sex scene - and potentially an evil object - humm?

Darren - something tells me to guess the one with religion - salt statue? Magic candy?

Marine - Wild guess, three blocks

Not sure I know enough about the other writers

Mine - still don’t know what it’s about  ::)
Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 18th, 2019, 2:51am; Reply: 388

Quoted from Dreamscale

Curse of Osiris - Matthew


I didn't enter either - I like that I get included in guesses now tho lol
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 18th, 2019, 6:27am; Reply: 389

Quoted from Reef Dreamer

Darren - something tells me to guess the one with religion - salt statue? Magic candy?


I already stated that wasn't mine.


Posted by: Anon, October 18th, 2019, 7:07am; Reply: 390
I think Jeff might have written TWINS but only because it's one of a couple I think he kinda liked. :)

This is only the second challenge I've done and the second short I've ever wrote so I don't know anyone's voice enough to recognise it. But I'm guessing some regulars wrote Vampire Affair and Cold Blood because they were above average.
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 18th, 2019, 7:20am; Reply: 391

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley


I already stated that wasn't mine.




Ah ha, but are you telling the truth :D
Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 10:08am; Reply: 392
Have read all and cast my votes.

Want to thank you all for participating in this challenge, seeing as it was my first! I hope you guys had fun. It was definitely cool for me.
Posted by: khamanna, October 18th, 2019, 10:25am; Reply: 393
Twins must be Darrens
Posted by: JEStaats, October 18th, 2019, 12:54pm; Reply: 394
Shit. Help me out, folks. Don't we have until midnight tonight to vote? If not, I blew it. I haven't had a chance to read since last Saturday. I swear I'm finishing up and voting after work!

BTW - Twins has got to be Jeff's entry. It takes place in AZ and is set in a casita, not a suburban house!
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 18th, 2019, 1:05pm; Reply: 395
Yes, you have until midnight tonight.  :)
Posted by: PrussianMosby, October 18th, 2019, 1:33pm; Reply: 396
Yo Libby,

saw your shout-out of guessing me being the puppet master of Cold Blood.
Can't confirm that - me not "in" this time. And I tend to begin to like that fact since the week flew by and it's already voting time. And wow do some of the writers here review with pace.

Then, I of course try to read Cold Blood soon to analyze your weird thinking about me :o or my weird lack of self-reflection  8). We'll see on which side the coin eventually drops. Probably it's number C, a true masterpiece...
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 18th, 2019, 3:28pm; Reply: 397

Quoted from khamanna
Twins must be Darrens


Nope.
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 18th, 2019, 3:33pm; Reply: 398

Quoted from Reef Dreamer


Ah ha, but are you telling the truth :D


Do I look like a politician?   ;D
No...if I wrote it I'd have the character turn into that sugar candy found in Pixie Stix.
Or homage Halloween III Season Of The Witch at least.
Posted by: ReneC, October 18th, 2019, 3:40pm; Reply: 399
I think Darren wrote Cold Blood.
Posted by: ReneC, October 18th, 2019, 3:42pm; Reply: 400
I wondered if Jeff wrote Twins, but I don't think he would flub the use of CONTINUOUS, and if he wrote incomplete slugs like that he'd probably swear off writing.  ;)
Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 18th, 2019, 3:43pm; Reply: 401
In the "scripts of the OWC" thread, the opening post has 19 scripts...

... I think Darren wrote one of those
Posted by: Matthew Taylor, October 18th, 2019, 3:52pm; Reply: 402

Quoted from ReneC
I wondered if Jeff wrote Twins, but I don't think he would flub the use of CONTINUOUS, and if he wrote incomplete slugs like that he'd probably swear off writing.  ;)


Jeff adds those things in to knock you off the scent... Not long ago he submitted one with a double line wrylie!! Couldn't believe my eyes lol
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 4:07pm; Reply: 403

Quoted from Matthew Taylor
Jeff adds those things in to knock you off the scent... Not long ago he submitted one with a double line wrylie!! Couldn't believe my eyes lol


Guilty as charged.

I did once include a double line wrylie.

I've written 2 OWC scripts in WORD - I swear.

I once intro'd a character as follows, and I have to say, it's some of my very best writing to date...

We see ALROY (almost 25 and a half) walking towards the bar. He has thick red hair that resembles a fiery lion's mane. He is wearing a skin tight T-Shirt with Simon Cowell's face on it that is at least two sizes too small.  A fag hanging from the corner of his mouth sends smoke wisps into the already very smoky air.  You could probably even cut it with a knife it's so smoky.


Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 4:11pm; Reply: 404
Here's an even better one - 8 lines.

"The BOUNCER, who is sat on a chair, is about 40 years old. He looks like a combination of Richard Gere, Harry Hamlin, and Richard Grieco, but with worse hair, and not as rich or popular (even though Richard Grieco isn't very popular anyway).  He is wearing an old plaid shirt and Guess jeans with a fairly new looking belt.  He also has a shiny necklace on that hangs down to his big, old beer gut.  Some sweat or grease or some substance is dripping down his chin."

What do you think of that work of art?   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Andrew, October 18th, 2019, 4:52pm; Reply: 405
Can someone quickly summarise what is happening in this scoring system for me?

I've still only read 4, and want to get a few more in, but obviously won't get them all done before midnight.

Clearly I can still review, but what's the deal with the scoring (other than, of course, picking a winner!)? Is there a separate thread? Do I need to a certain amount to participate? Or can I just vote for the scripts I read? And finally, what's the voting system>?
Posted by: LC, October 18th, 2019, 5:12pm; Reply: 406
Andrew, did you partake in the challenge?

If not, I think you need to request a scorecard from Don.
Maybe wait for Steve to clarify.

I have no idea what the voting criteria is this time around but am curious to know. Is it PASS, CONSIDER, met the parameters?
Posted by: eldave1, October 18th, 2019, 5:23pm; Reply: 407
I only have one guess.

Jeff - Art of War.

I will not be thrown off my a wrylie slipped in.

Leaving for Tahoe soon - good luck all. My favorites were:

Art of War
For The Love of Satan
The Night He Came Back
Vampire Affair
Frequency of Fear
Can't You Hear It?

These were all pretty close in my mind.  Going to be a narrow spread.
Posted by: Andrew, October 18th, 2019, 5:30pm; Reply: 408

Quoted from LC
Andrew, did you partake in the challenge?

If not, I think you need to request a scorecard from Don.
Maybe wait for Steve to clarify.

I have no idea what the voting criteria is this time around but am curious to know. Is it PASS, CONSIDER, met the parameters?


No, I bottled it because my attempt was so woeful.

Cool, I'll just carry on reviewing as normal and see how it pans out.

:)
Posted by: Andrew, October 18th, 2019, 5:32pm; Reply: 409

Quoted from eldave1
I only have one guess.

Jeff - Art of War.

I will not be thrown off my a wrylie slipped in.

Leaving for Tahoe soon - good luck all. My favorites were:

Art of War
For The Love of Satan
The Night He Came Back
Vampire Affair
Frequency of Fear
Can't You Hear It?

These were all pretty close in my mind.  Going to be a narrow spread.


My favourite is For The Love of Satan, but then I've only read the first four (as per the order in the listing from Don).

On the fifth, What Was That right now.

I could see Art of War being Jeff, buf I had to put a testicle on it, I'd say it's something I haven't read.
Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 5:56pm; Reply: 410

Quoted from eldave1
I only have one guess.

Jeff - Art of War.

I will not be thrown off my a wrylie slipped in.

Leaving for Tahoe soon - good luck all. My favorites were:

Art of War
For The Love of Satan
The Night He Came Back
Vampire Affair
Frequency of Fear
Can't You Hear It?

These were all pretty close in my mind.  Going to be a narrow spread.


Have fun, Dude! And thanks for all the awesome feedback you've given.  :)
Posted by: DarrenJamesSeeley, October 18th, 2019, 5:56pm; Reply: 411

Quoted from ReneC
I think Darren wrote Cold Blood.


no  Pixie Stix for you :(
try again
Posted by: eldave1, October 18th, 2019, 6:05pm; Reply: 412

Quoted from Zack


Have fun, Dude! And thanks for all the awesome feedback you've given.  :)


Thanks, mate
Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 6:42pm; Reply: 413
Since we're revealing our favorites...

Sickening Desires
Devil's Night Massacre
The Art Of War
The Vampire Affair

Those four were all very good. But my favorite of this bunch has got to be "For The Love Of Satan". It's just so Goddamn BONKERS insane!  :o :o :o

Great challenge, Steven and Don. You Dudes put on quite a show. ;D
Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 7:17pm; Reply: 414
Has anyone not voted yet ? We got a close one, folks!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 7:32pm; Reply: 415
Curse of Osiris!!!!!
Posted by: JEStaats, October 18th, 2019, 7:35pm; Reply: 416
I've not voted yet, sorry. Just got home from work and will get on it shortly!
Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 7:36pm; Reply: 417
My votes are in! ;D


Quoted from JEStaats
I've not voted yet, sorry. Just got home from work and will get on it shortly!


You slacker!  :P
Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 7:51pm; Reply: 418

Quoted from JEStaats
I've not voted yet, sorry. Just got home from work and will get on it shortly!


You could be the deciding vote. No pressure.
Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 7:52pm; Reply: 419

Quoted from SAC


You could be the deciding vote. No pressure.


You hear that?? Vote for mine, dammmit!  ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 18th, 2019, 8:12pm; Reply: 420

Quoted from SAC
Has anyone not voted yet ? We got a close one, folks!


I just sent mine in.

Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 18th, 2019, 8:17pm; Reply: 421
Just a comment on the scripts in general.

IMHO, most scripts started out with a couple chitchatting that went on for pages. That is not a great way to start any script, but especially not a short horror. In most scripts there was no horror set-up. Just people doing their thing and then eventually some horror stuff happened. Guys, even with features, you need something to grab the reader/audience on the first page. In a short it's crucial. Just my opinion of course and I'm nobody.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 18th, 2019, 8:19pm; Reply: 422
Also, I think my script has 10 or so reviews by participating writers...
Posted by: eldave1, October 18th, 2019, 8:22pm; Reply: 423

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Just a comment on the scripts in general.

IMHO, most scripts started out with a couple chitchatting that went on for pages. That is not a great way to start any script, but especially not a short horror. In most scripts there was no horror set-up. Just people doing their thing and then eventually some horror stuff happened. Guys, even with features, you need something to grab the reader/audience on the first page. In a short it's crucial. Just my opinion of course and I'm nobody.


Solid observation.
Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 8:23pm; Reply: 424

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Also, I think my script has 10 or so reviews by participating writers...


If I didn't get to yours, or anyone else's, and you'd like my thoughts, please PM me and I'll get back to you ASAP.
Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 8:56pm; Reply: 425
Little update on the scoring. Two scripts are neck and neck, though one has a slight lead. Get your votes in, peeps.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 9:09pm; Reply: 426
Osiris!!!!   Bring forth the curse!!!!

Vampire - Let the yellow eyes shine!!!!

Paralysis - End the paralysis!!!!

Satan - You little devil, you!!!!

After party - Start the real After Party!

Three Blocks - Make it Four Blocks!!!!

Twins - Triplets!!!!

War - Peace!!!!

Cold Blood - Hot Blood!!!!

He Came back - and then He Left!!!!

Out of Bounds - In Bounds!!!!

Candy - Cane!!!!
Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 9:13pm; Reply: 427

Quoted from Dreamscale
Osiris!!!!   Bring forth the curse!!!!

Vampire - Let the yellow eyes shine!!!!

Paralysis - End the paralysis!!!!

Satan - You little devil, you!!!!

After party - Start the real After Party!

Three Blocks - Make it Four Blocks!!!!

Twins - Triplets!!!!

War - Peace!!!!

Cold Blood - Hot Blood!!!!

He Came back - and then He Left!!!!

Out of Bounds - In Bounds!!!!

Candy - Cane!!!!


And I thought I was stoked.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 9:17pm; Reply: 428

Quoted from Dreamscale
Here's an even better one - 8 lines.

"The BOUNCER, who is sat on a chair, is about 40 years old. He looks like a combination of Richard Gere, Harry Hamlin, and Richard Grieco, but with worse hair, and not as rich or popular (even though Richard Grieco isn't very popular anyway).  He is wearing an old plaid shirt and Guess jeans with a fairly new looking belt.  He also has a shiny necklace on that hangs down to his big, old beer gut.  Some sweat or grease or some substance is dripping down his chin."

What do you think of that work of art?   ;D ;D ;D ;D


No comments?  No love?  This was an actual OWC entry, by yours truly.   ;D ;D ;D

Posted by: JEStaats, October 18th, 2019, 9:36pm; Reply: 429
BAM! My votes are in.

My apologies for not commenting on the last six I had to read tonight. I needed to get my ballot in so I wouldn't hold up the system.

This was rough. My absolute worst OWC entry ever! I was stuck for days and just had to end it, but the beginning sucked too. Damn 2019 goals! I couldn't NOT enter!

I can't believe nobody connected my entry with a OWC I wrote a couple years ago! The antagonist and protagonist. Hmmmm…. That was not an admission or reveal.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 18th, 2019, 9:41pm; Reply: 430

Quoted from Zack


If I didn't get to yours, or anyone else's, and you'd like my thoughts, please PM me and I'll get back to you ASAP.


You wouldn't like mine, so I'd rather you not vote on mine.  ;D

Posted by: eldave1, October 18th, 2019, 9:43pm; Reply: 431

Quoted from Dreamscale


No comments?  No love?  This was an actual OWC entry, by yours truly.   ;D ;D ;D



I was out on "who is sat"  
Posted by: LC, October 18th, 2019, 9:46pm; Reply: 432

Quoted from Dreamscale
No comments?  No love?  This was an actual OWC entry, by yours truly.   ;D ;D ;D

Honestly? Bit of fun I suppose, but...
Why would you deliberately put up an entry riddled with exactly the type of rookie mistakes that you yourself are so scathing of?

You can write. I'd love to read a legit scary entry of yours, in a Horror themed OWC - one that is not 'for reals' and over the top.

Actually, maybe I just did read one.  :D
Still, most of these entries were over the top imho.

I also, now I come to think of it, read a script in this very challenge with: for reals in it. Now if only I could remember which one...
Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 10:00pm; Reply: 433

Quoted from Grandma Bear


You wouldn't like mine...



I doubt that very much. :)
Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 10:02pm; Reply: 434

Quoted from Dreamscale


No comments?  No love?  This was an actual OWC entry, by yours truly.   ;D ;D ;D



WTF? Is that really from a script you wrote?
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 10:07pm; Reply: 435

Quoted from Zack


WTF? Is that really from a script you wrote?


Yes...an OWC!  About Vegans an d Carnivores.  I love that script!

Posted by: Zack, October 18th, 2019, 10:09pm; Reply: 436

Quoted from Dreamscale


Yes...an OWC!  About Vegans an d Carnivores.  I love that script!



Lol You're crazy, Dude. ;D
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 18th, 2019, 10:17pm; Reply: 437
Had fun reading these. Thanks for the fun prompt, Steve. Inspired me enough to update my Final Draft from 7 to 11...and write my first screenplay in 4 years. And of course...thank you, Don Boose!!
Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 10:26pm; Reply: 438

Quoted from mmmarnie
Had fun reading these. Thanks for the fun prompt, Steve. Inspired me enough to update my Final Draft from 7 to 11...and write my first screenplay in 4 years. And of course...thank you, Don Boose!!


You’re welcome. 4 years huh? Too long...
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 18th, 2019, 10:31pm; Reply: 439

Quoted from SAC


You’re welcome. 4 years huh? Too long...


Not saying this for sympathy...but this challenge landed almost 4 years to the day (Oct 15, 2015)...I stopped writing the day my husband of 20 years blindsided me and told me he wanted out. Soon after found out he was having an affair. Our lives were turned upside down me and our son moved from NJ to NC to start a new life. It was hard...but we did it. Finalized our divorce just a few months ago and really couldn't be happier with my life. And now it's time to start writing again.  :)
Posted by: ReneC, October 18th, 2019, 10:37pm; Reply: 440
In the future, it would be helpful to know the voting criteria from the start. I didn't look at the scoring sheet until I was ready to vote and had to go back and look at my reviews to get the different categories in.

Votes are in now. This was fun. Nicely done Steve, and thanks as always Don!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 10:38pm; Reply: 441

Quoted from SAC


That’s awesome. The good parts, that is.

I enjoy seeing some of the older SS peeps pop out of nowhere, like Marnie and Andrew. I found this site six years ago and I started learning screenwriting and I’ve been obsessed ever since. This site is awesome, and I hope it continues on and on. Such good memories from back when, and even when I sold my first feature.

Thanks Don


Here, Here on all accounts.

The Don is Da Man!!!

Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 10:39pm; Reply: 442

Quoted from mmmarnie


Not saying this for sympathy...but this challenge landed almost 4 years to the day (Oct 15, 2015)...I stopped writing the day my husband of 20 years blindsided me and told me he wanted out. Soon after found out he was having an affair. Our lives were turned upside down me and our son moved from NJ to NC to start a new life. It was hard...but we did it. Finalized our divorce just a few months ago and really couldn't be happier with my life. And now it's time to start writing again.  :)


That’s awesome. The good parts, that is.

I enjoy seeing some of the older SS peeps pop out of nowhere, like Marnie and Andrew. I found this site six years ago and I started learning screenwriting and I’ve been obsessed ever since. This site is awesome, and I hope it continues on and on. Such good memories from back when to this past Summer when I sold my first feature. SS has been there for all of us to share and post our work and get the most valuable thing we need - honest feedback. Where else can you get what you get here? There is nowhere else, to my knowledge.

Thanks Don
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 18th, 2019, 10:39pm; Reply: 443

Quoted from ReneC
In the future, it would be helpful to know the voting criteria from the start. I didn't look at the scoring sheet until I was ready to vote and had to go back and look at my reviews to get the different categories in.

Votes are in now. This was fun. Nicely done Steve, and thanks as always Don!


Here, Here to this, too!  I had to look at my posts and determine where to score al 5 categories and I doubt I got it all right.

Posted by: SAC, October 18th, 2019, 10:45pm; Reply: 444

Quoted from ReneC
In the future, it would be helpful to know the voting criteria from the start. I didn't look at the scoring sheet until I was ready to vote and had to go back and look at my reviews to get the different categories in.

Votes are in now. This was fun. Nicely done Steve, and thanks as always Don!


I knew when you knew, Rene. I wasn’t expecting that either, so I’m glad I opened it first thing. Still, I should have given everyone a heads up because, like you and Jeff, peeps probably weren’t expecting that kind of scoresheet.
Posted by: mmmarnie, October 18th, 2019, 10:55pm; Reply: 445

Quoted from SAC


That’s awesome. The good parts, that is.

I enjoy seeing some of the older SS peeps pop out of nowhere, like Marnie and Andrew. I found this site six years ago and I started learning screenwriting and I’ve been obsessed ever since. This site is awesome, and I hope it continues on and on. Such good memories from back when to this past Summer when I sold my first feature. SS has been there for all of us to share and post our work and get the most valuable thing we need - honest feedback. Where else can you get what you get here? There is nowhere else, to my knowledge.

Thanks Don


Holy crap! You sold a feature??? Wowzer!! Congrats! I have a lot to catch up on! And Bill "Reef Dreamer" is back after a hiatus as well.
Posted by: LC, October 18th, 2019, 11:23pm; Reply: 446

Quoted from mmmarnie


Not saying this for sympathy...but this challenge landed almost 4 years to the day (Oct 15, 2015)...I stopped writing the day my husband of 20 years blindsided me and told me he wanted out. Soon after found out he was having an affair. Our lives were turned upside down me and our son moved from NJ to NC to start a new life. It was hard...but we did it. Finalized our divorce just a few months ago and really couldn't be happier with my life. And now it's time to start writing again.  :)

Well, you've got my sympathy for what you went through. That's gotta be such a shock.  
Great to hear you're back writing again, Marnie, and that you are so happy with your life now.  Good for you!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 19th, 2019, 12:26am; Reply: 447
Where's the Kraken?  HAHA!

Great job, everyone.  Hope no one was upset at my feedback.  Some great scripts here, by some great writers!

HOOT HOOT to Steven and The Don!
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 19th, 2019, 2:14am; Reply: 448
For all the up’s and down’s of an OWC it’s been great to be back.

Many thanks to Steven and Don for this.

If anyone feels my review was unfair, poor or have any queries, please do ask. I’m very happy to engage and re read afterwards.

I suppose I can reveal my script now, as voting is in...

Sickening Desires

A bit rough around the edges but as my first proper effort for a few years, it’s good enough for me. I will comment on it’s own thread, but I really appreciated the feedback
Posted by: Anon, October 19th, 2019, 2:21am; Reply: 449
Good challenge. And although I didn’t like having to do the score sheet, I think it is good for the future.

Anyway I really needed to remind myself that writing can be fun. And I just flat out enjoyed writing mine. Maybe a little too much ...
Posted by: LC, October 19th, 2019, 3:28am; Reply: 450
Could someone tell me, out of curiosity what the score sheet consisted of this time around?

I'm betting the scream heard by only one person had to be ticked off, plus horror genre... What else?
Posted by: Anon, October 19th, 2019, 4:14am; Reply: 451

Quoted from LC
Could someone tell me, out of curiosity what the score sheet consisted of this time around?

I'm betting the scream heard by only one person had to be ticked off, plus horror genre... What else?


It was a did it meet the challenge y/n option. For that I ticked yes for all even though some of the scream aspects were dodgy. If you’s Made the effort to enter that’s alright by me. Then it was a score out of five for each of the following.

Story

Characters

Dialogue

Prose
Posted by: LC, October 19th, 2019, 4:29am; Reply: 452
8) Thanks so much, Alex!
Posted by: Anon, October 19th, 2019, 4:50am; Reply: 453

Quoted from LC
8) Thanks so much, Alex!


You’re welcome. Thanks for reviewing, Libby.
Posted by: Grandma Bear, October 19th, 2019, 6:59am; Reply: 454

Quoted from mmmarnie


Not saying this for sympathy...but this challenge landed almost 4 years to the day (Oct 15, 2015)...I stopped writing the day my husband of 20 years blindsided me and told me he wanted out. Soon after found out he was having an affair. Our lives were turned upside down me and our son moved from NJ to NC to start a new life. It was hard...but we did it. Finalized our divorce just a few months ago and really couldn't be happier with my life. And now it's time to start writing again.  :)

Good to see you back writing again. This place has grown since you left. A little more civil. Not quite like MP, but not the roadhouse it used to be either. Hope you stick around.

Oh, and we should think seriously about that writer retreat thing. If not at your house, at least up there in the mountains. It's a perfect place for something like that.  :)
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 19th, 2019, 11:14am; Reply: 455
Silence...
Posted by: SAC, October 19th, 2019, 11:28am; Reply: 456

Quoted from Dreamscale
Silence...


Quietude
Posted by: Zack, October 19th, 2019, 11:29am; Reply: 457
A twig SNAPS O.S.
Posted by: SAC, October 19th, 2019, 11:31am; Reply: 458

Quoted from Grandma Bear
Oh, and we should think seriously about that writer retreat thing. If not at your house, at least up there in the mountains. It's a perfect place for something like that.  :)


Why do I get the feeling that a writer’s retreat would be, like, you guys up there drinking and shit?
Posted by: SAC, October 19th, 2019, 11:37am; Reply: 459

Quoted from Zack
A twig SNAPS O.S.


A MAN, 63, dressed all in black, approaches a house. He knocks on the door, one hand firmly tucked in his pocket.
Posted by: Zack, October 19th, 2019, 11:41am; Reply: 460

Quoted from SAC


A MAN, 63, dressed all in black, approaches a house. He knocks on the door, one hand firmly tucked in his pocket.


The front door opens and JEFF BUSH, 56, wearing nothing but a very tight thong and some colorful nipple tassels, steps out. A big grin is stretched across his face.

                                          JEFF
                            You here for the orgy?
Posted by: SAC, October 19th, 2019, 11:47am; Reply: 461

Quoted from Zack


The front door opens and JEFF BUSH, 56, wearing nothing but a very tight thong and some colorful nipple tassels, steps out. A big grin is stretched across his face.

                                          JEFF
                            You here for the orgy?


The MAN recoils in horror. He SCREAMS.

                                          MAN
                            Whoops! Wrong house!

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), October 19th, 2019, 11:52am; Reply: 462
Fuckers!   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Zack, October 19th, 2019, 12:01pm; Reply: 463

Quoted from Dreamscale
Fuckers!   ;D ;D ;D ;D


;D;D;D
Posted by: Reef Dreamer, October 19th, 2019, 12:37pm; Reply: 464
YEOWEEEE.... :D :D :D
Posted by: SAC, October 19th, 2019, 12:41pm; Reply: 465
Update - Don is tabulating, then will send along the results. However, I’m heading to work and will post just as soon as I can.
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