Quoted from stevie Good points Balt. I loathed the dark knight and won't be seeing this new one. Bale the main prob for me. I'd like to see a reboot done. Set it in the 50's, 60's, or 70's. No allegorical rubbish about the state of the modern world, etc, just Batman fighting villians

I wouldn't go so far as to say I want a re-representation of the tv series -- Clooney already proved it won't work.  But I would like to see someone take a stab at the "Untold Legends" version of Batman...

I'd like to see Adrien Brody cast as the Joker and Ryan Gosling play Bruce Wayne and Batman...  I think there is huge potential with both of them.  But, alas, I am wishful casting.

I'd like to come in an reiterate after having seen the film 2 times now -- Went with my nephew and took my little girl to see it yesterday.

my complaints are a great many, but I'll narrow them down a bit.

1.  If Gordon was such a good cop, then good detective and then great commisoner -- Why didn't he know Batman's true identity?  Gordon Levitt sure did right off the bat.

2.  How could a little girl climb out of the hole, but Bane couldn't?    

3.  Bane blows up half of Gotham and Bale, in prision, is little more than agitated... Yet when he sees 3 guys being flown around by helicopter he gets, as he said,  "ANGRY".

4.  Batman kicks the living piss out of Bane on their 2nd go around so bad it reminded me of Rocky 3's whole MR.T scenario.  The comparison is so blatant and so obvious.

5.  Bane's death was a joke.

6.  Not one time in the entire movie did Catwoman get hit.  Not one.  This got on my nerves... Not because I wanted to see some dude beat her up, but because she was given a free pass the entire film at the risk of making women happy.  I felt her whole character was tossed in for no other reason than, they had to do something.  

7.  I hated how Bane was sitting idle in the courtroom, a mere fixture, while the scaercrow was dealing out the judgments.  It made his character seem weaker somehow.

8.  The ending was absolute tripe.  Horrible.  In fact, it was so bad I think it was a pick up.  all of it.  I think nolan did kill Batman off in the explosion, they screened it and it got bad reviews and so Hollywood made him shoot the absurd ending we got with Bale and, of all people, catwoman at the eatery.  Lame butter.

9.  The atomic explosion in the ocean was so absurd... The whole scene, like the whole movie, seemed a phone in -- Much like Bane and Batman's 2nd fight, where Batman kicks the piss out of him was taken from rocky 3 -- I felt the whole lifting the bomb in the air bit and flying it out of harms way was lifted from "Angels & Demons".  What really got me was, at very least, there should have been a huge tidal wave come in on the lower east end of Gotham from the explosion... Let's face it, he didn't take it too far out from the city.

10.  Dialogue that had nothing at all to do with what was going on.  For instance, Bale saying "I like your apartment"  was so awkwardly read and placed.  But there were more of these instances than just that one.  The whole movie was filled with stuff like that... When gordon is in the hospital and he deems ol' buddy a detective... WTF???

I can and probably should go on -- But the whole movie, right down to toss away dialogue was sub-par.   I truly hope this is the last time Nolan helms a Batman movie.

Quoted from Baltis. I hated how Bane was sitting idle in the courtroom, a mere fixture, while the scaercrow was dealing out the judgments.  It made his character seem weaker somehow.

Dude, that’s spooky you said it that way. All afternoon, they have been showing the man who did the shootings in the courtroom acting exactly like this…

Blank…as though he wasn’t even there…

Shawn…..><

Quoted from Penoyer79 the whole franchise is now mired in tragedy... first heath ledger and now the colorado theater.... such a shame.

yup

Quoted from Baltis. I'd like to come in an reiterate after having seen the film 2 times now -- Went with my nephew and took my little girl to see it yesterday. my complaints are a great many, but I'll narrow them down a bit. 1.  If Gordon was such a good cop, then good detective and then great commisoner -- Why didn't he know Batman's true identity?  Gordon Levitt sure did right off the bat. 2.  How could a little girl climb out of the hole, but Bane couldn't?     3.  Bane blows up half of Gotham and Bale, in prision, is little more than agitated... Yet when he sees 3 guys being flown around by helicopter he gets, as he said,  "ANGRY". 4.  Batman kicks the living piss out of Bane on their 2nd go around so bad it reminded me of Rocky 3's whole MR.T scenario.  The comparison is so blatant and so obvious. 5.  Bane's death was a joke. 6.  Not one time in the entire movie did Catwoman get hit.  Not one.  This got on my nerves... Not because I wanted to see some dude beat her up, but because she was given a free pass the entire film at the risk of making women happy.  I felt her whole character was tossed in for no other reason than, they had to do something.   7.  I hated how Bane was sitting idle in the courtroom, a mere fixture, while the scaercrow was dealing out the judgments.  It made his character seem weaker somehow. 8.  The ending was absolute tripe.  Horrible.  In fact, it was so bad I think it was a pick up.  all of it.  I think nolan did kill Batman off in the explosion, they screened it and it got bad reviews and so Hollywood made him shoot the absurd ending we got with Bale and, of all people, catwoman at the eatery.  Lame butter. 9.  The atomic explosion in the ocean was so absurd... The whole scene, like the whole movie, seemed a phone in -- Much like Bane and Batman's 2nd fight, where Batman kicks the piss out of him was taken from rocky 3 -- I felt the whole lifting the bomb in the air bit and flying it out of harms way was lifted from "Angels & Demons".  What really got me was, at very least, there should have been a huge tidal wave come in on the lower east end of Gotham from the explosion... Let's face it, he didn't take it too far out from the city. 10.  Dialogue that had nothing at all to do with what was going on.  For instance, Bale saying "I like your apartment"  was so awkwardly read and placed.  But there were more of these instances than just that one.  The whole movie was filled with stuff like that... When gordon is in the hospital and he deems ol' buddy a detective... WTF??? I can and probably should go on -- But the whole movie, right down to toss away dialogue was sub-par.   I truly hope this is the last time Nolan helms a Batman movie.

haven't seen it but to me, it's a rental. sorry. bb

Quoted from Baltis. I wouldn't go so far as to say I want a re-representation of the tv series -- Clooney already proved it won't work.  But I would like to see someone take a stab at the "Untold Legends" version of Batman... I'd like to see Adrien Brody cast as the Joker and Ryan Gosling play Bruce Wayne and Batman...  I think there is huge potential with both of them.  But, alas, I am wishful casting.

you called it.
it's what's coming
50s
fah sure.
b

I think if they were to re-do Batman again (although I enjoyed Scarecrow from "Begins"), I would actually like to see Black Mask as the main villain in the inevitable reboot part two.

I kind of would've liked to have seen a full "The Long Halloween" but that'd be a trilogy in itself.

Hope, I suppose.

Quoted from Mr. Blonde I think if they were to re-do Batman again (although I enjoyed Scarecrow from "Begins"), I would actually like to see Black Mask as the main villain in the inevitable reboot part two. I kind of would've liked to have seen a full "The Long Halloween" but that'd be a trilogy in itself. Hope, I suppose.

I so agree. Black and white. VERY 40'S - a whole NEW franchise trend and compelling? OH YEAH. bb

A lot of valid points. But at the end of the day, money talks. We (assuming we are all adults ) are not the target demograph. A 40's/50's style reboot would be great, but I don't think it would have borad enough appeal to get the core audience on seats. Burton's attempt was great, but it was smothered in cheese, just killed it. No grit.

There are plenty of things you could question in the logic of Nolan's Batman universe. I'd love to know Superman shaves if he's so indestructible. Let's assume he uses focused laser vision . . .

I haven't seen this yet, but the other day Dark Knight was on. This was the first time I had watched it since I began learning screenwriting, and I sometimes see film a little different now. I have to say, it's surprising how many problems there are with Dark Knight, and they don't seem to bother anyone, which in itself might reveal something.

Heath Ledger's Joker is brilliantly written and portrayed. Obviously that is the strength of the film. But there are major issues with the rest of the film. Try to imagine this as a screenplay. For one thing, there are a lot of characters. Now, I am one of those strange people that actually likes a lot of characters in a movie. But many of these characters are completely uninteresting, despite being played by quality actors.

My biggest problem is the vast number of "fast forward" scenes. Scene after scene where there is little conflict and that don't really move the story. They move the plot, and only the plot, and even then, they don't feel necessary.

To be honest, this film suffers from many problems I've had in my own work, where the plot becomes too convoluted, where most people can't follow it, and those that can start losing interest in trying to.

I applaud the effort, on the whole. Nolan is at least trying to do something interesting and adult, which is a big step up. What I get most out of these films is not so much satisfaction on the product itself, but a desire to see his future work, see where he goes from here.

Finally, as I said, I think the Ledger Joker does give us an insight into what works. When I character is that brilliant, it can carry the film. I think sometimes even one or two really memorable scenes in a movie can have audiences leave feeling satisfied. Likewise, one really bad scene can really kill a film. So in our own work, the challenge is to find the memorable scene and avoid the movie killing scene!

10/10? Were you guys seeing the same film that I was?

The Dark Knight Rises was good, but FAR from perfect. To be honest, The Dark Knight is one of the most overrated films ever IMO, so I wasn't expecting much from Nolan's third entry.

But let's start off on a positive note with what worked in the film. Mainly, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. He's absolutely dynamite and he really honed in his performance. Gary Oldman was amazing as well (but that's to be expected). Furthermore, TDKR has it's heart in the right place. It aspires to be so much, to be so epic. And I commend Nolan for those intentions. In addition, the direction, cinematography, score, and action sequences are all solid.

But overall the film feels a little...flat. And there are several reasons for this.

First, the film falls apart when you start asking questions like "how" and "why." For example, why in god's name would the chief of police send ALL of his troops underground? It makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, there was a lot in the film that made little sense whatsoever. Characters act as though they know the outcome (which was the biggest flaw with TDK). This even applies to small scale action sequences. For example, Catwoman pushes someone out of window and lands on a scaffold. How dafaq did she know there was a scaffold a few stories below her? Furthermore, the portrayal of gotham under lock down was anything but unbelievable. you mean to tell me that NO ONE would try to cross those bridges? There would be a mass mob in minutes.

Secondly, the overall story structure was both tedious and tiresome. At the beginning of the film, bruce wayne is out of commission and needs motivation to become the bat once more. well half way through the film SPOILERS, bane breaks bruce's back and the ENTIRE DAMN CYCLE REPEATS ITSELF. once again bruce needs to overcome something in order to put on the bat suit. by second time, i was rolling my eyes, hoping to get the entire ordeal over as quickly as possible. cue the montage music. Speaking of which, the whole 5 month countdown device served one purpose and one purpose only...to help us believe that Bruce's back could be repaired in a matter of months. it's kind of silly really.

Bane was okay. i was really interested in him at first and that intriqued eventually wore off. by the end of the film, he just looked silly. nolan tried so hard but really missed the mark. oh and catwoman was merely a placeholder. thought hathaway was somewhat decent but was 50/50 overall. sometimes she nailed it, others not so much. in addition, there really wasnt much to her character. she really lacked motivation IMO.

was it me, or did Alfred do nothing but cry like a whiny bitch throughout the entire movie? he was literally crying in every scene.

the "twists" are pretty predictable if you read too much information regarding the casting of the film. this was probably my fault.

how in god's name did SPOILERS talia die in that vehicular crash yet gordon just walk out the back like nothing happened? mind you, there was an atomic bomb in there with him.

dialogue was pretty subpart. the hand to hand combat scenes were mediocre at best. a bit dull if you ask me.

but overall, my biggest problem with TDKR is that there's really no message. What was the point of it all? What was the morale of the story? I felt like TDK provided these answers, but not TDKR didn't explore this territory at all. And this is the point of movie making in general. TDKR doesn't have much to say and it really shows. And at the end of the day, it's why I wasn't invested in the film.

But I was entertained. B+ for me.

I really loved this film, surprisingly even more than the Dark Knight. I thought the Joker was fantastic but the fact that Bane was not only mentally intimidating, but also a strong physical threat to Batman made him all the more threatening. I liked how everyone really had to come together to stop him, and the last character reveal at the end really got me pumped. It makes me curious as to what the next director will do with the franchise.

Quoted from Eoin

did you DO THAT? that is hilarious. and mid PAW ABOVE HEAD, TOO? lmao. BB

I wish I could take the credit for that Babz, but it's not mine. I have a pet cat who rules the roost and someone emailed me this ages ago. Looks like he was caught mid grooming.

Thought it might lightened the mood!