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Posted by: Don, September 1st, 2009, 7:36pm
Continued from here:
http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-OWC0809/m-1250913536/


Quoted from Dreamscale
Hmmm, I'm a bit confused now.  Originally, I thought the challenge genre was Romantic Comedy/Drama.  I just checked and I see that it's listed as "Romantic Drama/Comedy (Romantic Dramedy)".

Was this changed at all, since when it was first posted?  I seem to remember Don saying that he tweaked teh wording, based on questions.

Either way, it seems pretty obvious to me that we're talking about a script that contains Romance, Comedy, and Drama.  Right?

I guess the only tough part for me to really explain (and understand) is drama. But then again, isn't everything, pretty much drama?


My Bad, I figured they were both the same and switched them accidentally.  

Don
Posted by: jwent6688, September 1st, 2009, 7:43pm; Reply: 1
Crack a beer jeff, Cheers from C-town. Why'd the other thread get locked???


something i said???
Posted by: JonnyBoy, September 1st, 2009, 7:44pm; Reply: 2
No, think it was a length thing. This is a continuation, that's all.

However, as for continuing the 'what is drama'/'what makes a dramedy a dramedy and not a comedy or a drama' discussion...a discussion for another time on a different board, perhaps! Not that we can really hope to achieve much by discussing it...people as far back as Aristotle have been asking the same questions about story-telling and ultimately admitting it's all very hard to define - that's what makes it so special.

Now, back to reviewing the OWC scripts. A new batch has just been put up, I see...
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 7:50pm; Reply: 3
I'm much better now...got some wadka going...much more relaxed.

Also glad that I wasn't going completely nuts, and the original genre was Romantic Comedy/Drama.  As Don just said, eitehr way you read it...or write it, it's the same thing.

Are we all in agreement on that?

I don't have any problems at all with the reviews so far.  maybe a few are a bit too short and meaningless, but for teh most part, lots of good detail and feedback, and it seems like people are really taking this seriously, as they read and review.

It's tough with so many scripts, but I'd say they're all getting alot of reads...isn't it already more than last time around?  I don't know...could be wrong.

I say KUDOS to everyone who entered and is reading and providing feedback.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 7:52pm; Reply: 4
Except the thing is that some of us might have read the original one as Romantic Comedy or Romantic Drama, not both.
Posted by: Cam17, September 1st, 2009, 7:53pm; Reply: 5
Jwent,

C-town, my hometown, the armpit of America?  Click on this link to restore some civic pride.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

As for the challenge, I have to admit the overall quality is better than the last OWC.  Most are good efforts.  Whole lotta tombstones, though...
Posted by: JonnyBoy, September 1st, 2009, 8:00pm; Reply: 6
What seems like a pretty good definition from http://tviv.org/Dramedy - all that seems certain is that nothing is certain! And that it's primarily a TV term, not one used for films.

"A dramedy is a term used to describe programs with elements of comedy and drama. However, the term does not merely apply to any comedy with some serious moments, nor does it apply to any drama with funny moments. In fact, it is very possible for a show to be a mixture of comedy and drama and not be a dramedy. Romantic comedy, for instance, is a common example of a frequently non-dramedic comedy/drama, as are most action or sci-fi shows (Firefly, Magnum P.I., The Rockford Files, etc.). The term as coined is more specific, in that it refers to those comedies—particularly those set in typically dramatic settings or themes (doctors in hospitals, lawyers, cops, etc.)—which, while clearly comedic in tone, nonetheless handle the dramatic situations—e.g.: death, divorce, illness, social concerns—as serious issues, or those dramas set in typically dramatic settings which nonetheless place their often over-the-top characters in outlandish or impossible situations one might more commonly associate with a sitcom. However, it is important to note that in the original intention of the term, the combination was structural, not thematic. On the other hand, structural distinctions are not easily distinguished to the casual observer, while thematic distinctions are, and as thematic distinctions are more easily recognizable, it has become industry standard to apply those thematic elements to the term over the structural ones. Moreover, structural blurring has increased steadily since the 1960s, and thus some series today which are clearly either comedies or dramas may contain elements formerly associated with the opposite genre."

There are no clear boundaries...I see it as a spectrum. You can pick out a show and pretty much say where it fits, but you can't say where one category ends and another begins.

For example, 3 shows set in hospitals:

Scrubs: comedy
Grey's Anatomy: dramedy
ER: drama

I think that's where they go...but why?! It's so frustratingly fascinating, at least to me.
Posted by: jwent6688, September 1st, 2009, 8:03pm; Reply: 7

Quoted from Cam17
Jwent,

C-town, my hometown, the armpit of America?  Click on this link to restore some civic pride.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM


I think thats a tourism commercial now. We're really drumming up some business. I've never seen that. Almost died.

By the way, are we supposed to be voting on these? Some have said they have. I know i haven't but can go back.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 8:06pm; Reply: 8
Good. If I entered one then based on that definition it would be a dramedy. Well done. Problem solved.
Posted by: LC, September 1st, 2009, 8:06pm; Reply: 9
I'm glad Jonny brought this whole topic up. I thought you made some valid points and I don't think it reflected on any of the reviewers.

Romantic Drama/Romantic Comedy/Romantic Dramedy.
Imh, 'Romance' is the operative word.

If 'Romance' runs as a central theme throughout the piece then I think its met the challenge. If it's weighted more towards comedy or more towards drama doesn't matter to me so long as it contains a primary core of romance. If it's a comedy with no romance or a drama with no romance then I think it belongs in the Drama or Comedy genres. Am I making sense or just muddying the waters.
Posted by: rendevous, September 1st, 2009, 8:06pm; Reply: 10
I'd say most of the scripts I've read at least make a good attempt to fulfill the criteria. And let's face it, as long as the bloody thing is entertaining for its less than thirteen pages then who cares. I admire all who had the balls to enter and I look forward to the unveiling...
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 8:08pm; Reply: 11

Quoted from LC

If 'Romance' runs as a central theme throughout the piece then I think its met the challenge. If it's weighted more towards comedy or more towards drama doesn't matter to me so long as it contains a primary core of romance. If it's a comedy with no romance or a drama with no romance then I think it belongs in the Drama or Comedy genres. Am I making sense or just muddying the waters.


If I entered one then based on that definition it would be a dramedy. Well done. Problem solved.
Posted by: JonnyBoy, September 1st, 2009, 8:12pm; Reply: 12
Think you're right, Libby; the romance is the key here. Although, 'romantic comedy' is really its own genre, with its own quirks and expectations, separate from drama, comedy and dramedy!


Quoted from mcornetto
Well done. Problem solved.


Think we're being encouraged to just let it go. :)

Fair enough - I see how the middle of a OWC isn't exactly the best time to hold a theoretical debate (albeit a potentially interesting one) on genre hybridity and boundaries! Another time, another place.

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 8:51pm; Reply: 13
You're all right, but remember, Don originally posted the genre as Romantic Comedy/Drama, so in my mind, Romance and Comedy are key.  Drama flows into every genre, as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed...or no?
Posted by: Astrid (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 8:56pm; Reply: 14
All the little chicks with the crimson lips say cleveland ROCKS!

Sry, just bored!
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 9:00pm; Reply: 15
So you and two other's agree, then what?  Why change the way you are going to judge midstream when there is nothing people can do about it.  All you do is make the people that entered based on their interpretation of Drama/Comedy anxious.  

Just judge based on how you interpreted it.  After this is all over we can discuss and agree upon what a Romantic Dramedy is.  Or better yet, just decide which script you like the best based on the one you enjoyed the most.  

And, actually, just so you know I think the Romance is the key here.  I don't care if it's got comedy and drama, I'm looking to feel the romance.  
Posted by: Grandma Bear, September 1st, 2009, 9:13pm; Reply: 16
I was reading... happily go lightly

I was discouraged to continue, but I'm over it

I'll continue to make my own comments...like it or ot
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 9:18pm; Reply: 17
Agreed on all fronts.  We calls 'em as we sees 'em.
Posted by: bert, September 1st, 2009, 9:18pm; Reply: 18
What a strange little -- or maybe not so little -- conversation you have going on here.

One of the more pleasurable aspects of this is looking at how different authors attack the same challenge.

Variety is what you want here.  It's a good thing.

Trying to lock any script into your preconcieved notions of the genre is missing the point.

It's like that old telephone game, or a Rorschach test.

Look at what the author did -- not what they didn't do -- and take that at face value -- then judge the script on how well they succeeded.
Posted by: Sandra Elstree., September 1st, 2009, 9:39pm; Reply: 19
[quote=JonnyBoy]What seems like a pretty good definition from http://tviv.org/Dramedy - all that seems certain is that nothing is certain! And that it's primarily a TV term, not one used for films.

Thanks so much Johnny for you work here. I've supplied part of your quote here because I want to focus in on one particular question.

What really is the mysterious concept we call 'drama' and take for granted in its everyday use, somewhat in the same way we often pay no mind to grammatical constructions?

My answer is simply, that it's got a lot of high conflict.

"A dramedy is a term used to describe programs with elements of comedy and drama...  

The term as coined is more specific, in that it refers to those comedies—particularly those set in typically dramatic settings or themes (doctors in hospitals, lawyers, cops, etc.)—which, while clearly comedic in tone, nonetheless handle the dramatic situations—e.g.: death, divorce, illness, social concerns—as serious issues, or those dramas set in typically dramatic settings which nonetheless place their often over-the-top characters in outlandish or impossible situations one might more commonly associate with a sitcom.


This part here:

The term as coined is more specific, in that it refers to those comedies—particularly those set in typically dramatic settings or themes (doctors in hospitals, lawyers, cops, etc.)—which, while clearly comedic in tone, nonetheless handle the dramatic situations—e.g.: death, divorce, illness, social concerns—as serious issues,

First, I'm going to paraphrase:

The term, dramedy can include comedies that are set in typically dramatic situations, meaning they are existing within the context of a high conflict scenario since drama is conflict.

**In the above description, it says:

(doctors in hospitals, lawyers and cops)

(and I'll add, lawyers and cops in their surroundings because it's not always a hospital  ;D ... just being silly for a moment)

Now seriously speaking:

The above description, though a bit narrow, helps us to define the term, a bit anyways, since to me it appears that we're dealing with

1. A high conflict scenario - might be surroundings, situational or psychological

*Note: I don't think it needs to be what we might think, such as the hospital example

2. The tone is comedic

3. The conflict is handled, thematically. as serious even though the tone is light.

That's what I've learned from this discussion. Can someone correct me or elaborate?

Sandra



Posted by: bobtheballa (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 9:48pm; Reply: 20
I don't usually get too hung up on my reviews with whether or not the writer completely met the challenge. Obviously comedy is suggestive and I think drama is to a certain extent as well (what moves you emotionally may be something I can't connect with and find forced)... even romance can be different to different people.

I try to focus on basic screenwriting mistakes like ING verbs in descriptions, telling rather than showing, under-developed characters, un-realistic dialogue, etc. Most people don't do a whole lot with their OWC entries after the winner is revealed, so pointing out bad habits would be more helpful to a writer in the long run.

These are just my views and how I write my reviews. Obviously we're all welcome to review as each of us sees fit. If you don't like someone else's review then just ignore it and move on to the next one.
Posted by: elis, September 1st, 2009, 11:16pm; Reply: 21
After reading the above thread. I just want to question whether rating is really necessary.
Since we really cannot all agree on what suits the Challenge, maybe reviewing the scripts and commenting to the quality and imagination should suffice.

Rating is really useless, if we don't all agree on what a romantic dramedy really means.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 1st, 2009, 11:19pm; Reply: 22
I have not been using the voting thing, and probably won't.  I'll just tell Don which 3, 4, or 5 are my favorites.

I think I still have 8 of the posted scripts to read and review.  I'm doing my best.

A number of strong scripts so far...
Posted by: elis, September 1st, 2009, 11:21pm; Reply: 23

Quoted from Dreamscale
I have not been using the voting thing, and probably won't.  I'll just tell Don which 3, 4, or 5 are my favorites.

I think I still have 8 of the posted scripts to read and review.  I'm doing my best.

A number of strong scripts so far...


Well done. I have read 17 thus far and I am going to try to get through them...somehow :P
Posted by: khamanna, September 2nd, 2009, 2:22am; Reply: 24
I'm not looking for a comedy in particular when I review. The challenge said "romance"... I bet we all won't agree which script/scripts embraced that one (romance) as well - a funny fact, but we're here to state opinions...


I like your post, Sandra,

Thanks for a comedy/dramedy break down - comedy indeed can be defined by tone, setting, comedic element. Doesn't have to make you laugh outloud all the time to classify as a comedy.

Posted by: michel, September 2nd, 2009, 2:53am; Reply: 25

Quoted Text
Genre:  Romantic Drama/Comedy (Romantic Dramedy)

Theme:  This piece of music.


Finally, this OWC has TWO must, and generally, people forgot about the true theme: the piece of music. If I understood well, the story should turn around that piece of music. Shouldn't it?

Only a few of submissions has it as the real theme, IMO.
Posted by: khamanna, September 2nd, 2009, 2:59am; Reply: 26
Oh, yeah, Michel, and the piece of music. Should it have been the theme though? if yes, then right, not many have it for a theme perhaps.

It's a tough challenge then - oh, I just realized that:), music for a theme and a romance...

I'm not sure though if we had to have it for a theme.
Posted by: michel, September 2nd, 2009, 3:07am; Reply: 27
I think it should be considered for the final vote.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 2nd, 2009, 3:22am; Reply: 28

Quoted from michel
[/b]

Finally, this OWC has TWO must, and generally, people forgot about the true theme: the [b]piece of music
. If I understood well, the story should turn around that piece of music. Shouldn't it?

Only a few of submissions has it as the real theme, IMO.


Aaah but that would be another debate. Can a specific piece of music qualify as a theme?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme

Music as a theme would suggest the initial or principal piece of music in a piece. They all qualify under that.

If the theme means the literary sense in that it should be the unifying topic or subject of the story, then not so much perhaps. I would personally wonder whether "music" could be considered a theme at all in this sense.

However it wasn't just music, it was a very specific piece of music. Some people may have used the "mood" of the piece to suggest the theme.

To me it was a very melancholy and nostalgic piece of music. An ode to lost love. So that's what I went with. The theme of that piece of music was lost love and how we don't appreciate what we have when we have it. That, therefore was the implied theme in the work.

In the past when I've had the time to review I have judged the scripts based on how well they fit the criteria, but I decided this time that it was a bit pointless because it's the story that matters ultimately.

From my own point of view, I also tend to favour stories that try something new and original. I have seen so many films and read so many stories that I get to a point where I can start to list the films that have had that scene in them before.

I also look at it from a Production point of view and consider whether the story is one that I would watch if it was an actual film.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 2nd, 2009, 3:24am; Reply: 29
BTW Out of interest, here is a list of some Romantic Dramedy films that I found:

http://www.bellaonline.com/subjects/5778.asp


Quoted Text
Alfie (2005)
Jude Law is Alfie, a man with a big heart and no conscience. With its release on DVD, the film asks an old question: can a womanizer learn to love?

Dance With Me
Two dance lovers are recovering from heartbreak. Through music, dance, and love, they'll slowly mend their lives.

Elizabethtown
A man at the end of his rope is returning home for his father's funeral when he meets a perky flight attendant who changes his life - for the better.

For Keeps
"They have their plans. They have each other. And a little something they weren't expecting."

Must Love Dogs
Newly divorced, a woman is back in the dating scene seeking the answer to the question we all ask - is it possible to find true love online?

Nina's Heavenly Delights
"Nina´s Heavenly Delights" is a sweet little dish of a romance set in Glasgow´s Indian community amidst a cooking competition. Think curry, not "Chocolat" -- and eat before you see it. You´ve been warned.

Prime
The incomparable Uma Thurman and legendary Meryl Streep team up in a romantic comedy about age and love.... and therapy.

Return to Me
"Return to Me", starring David Duchovny and Minnie Driver, is one of those charming, rather old-fashioned romances you don´t see much of anymore.

The Prince and Me
A commoner falls in love with royalty. Sound familiar? So´s this movie. Unless you´re a fan of Julia Stiles, you probably won´t remember this lightweight modern fairy tale.

The Upside of Anger
The Upside of Anger is a story of finding love after crisis. Is there an upside to this romantic dramedy?
Posted by: JonnyBoy, September 2nd, 2009, 4:45am; Reply: 30
Oh dear...seem to have come across as a complete dick. Absolutely didn't mean to make people anxious about how their submissions would be judged, or discourage people from reviewing...when two mods jump into a conversation you know you've started something, inadvertently or not. I really don't think anyone's reviews are bad - as long as they take the time to offer constructive advice then that's great, in my book.

I only used the ranking system because a couple of people PMed me during the last OWC to say how well they thought it worked. It wasn't supposed to be about dismissing scripts because they didn't correspond to what I thought a perfect entry should be, or trying to discourage variety (which is, I totally agree, one of the great things about these challenges - who wants read 40 identical scripts?). It was just a way of showing people where I thought their script was weakest, and also a way for me to easily go through at the end and pick out which 3 I'd recommend to Don. I'll go through now and take out the scores I've given.

I'm truly sorry if I've caused any offense, or anxiety. You're all good people and this website is a wonderful place. I don't want to be 'that guy', the guy people argue with...I'm nice, honest! I clearly just have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth...
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 2nd, 2009, 4:47am; Reply: 31

Quoted from JonnyBoy
Oh dear...seem to have come across as a complete dick. Absolutely didn't mean to make people anxious about how their submissions would be judged, or discourage people from reviewing...when two mods jump into a conversation you know you've started something, inadvertently or not. I really don't think anyone's reviews are bad - as long as they take the time to offer constructive advice then that's great, in my book.

I only used the ranking system because a couple of people PMed me during the last OWC to say how well they thought it worked. It wasn't supposed to be about dismissing scripts because they didn't correspond to what I thought a perfect entry should be, or trying to discourage variety (which is, I totally agree, one of the great things about these challenges - who wants read 40 identical scripts?). It was just a way of showing people where I thought their script was weakest, and also a way for me to easily go through at the end and pick out which 3 I'd recommend to Don. I'll go through now and take out the scores I've given.

I'm truly sorry if I've caused any offense, or anxiety. You're all good people and this website is a wonderful place. I don't want to be 'that guy', the guy people argue with...I'm nice, honest! I clearly just have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth...



I doubt you've caused any offence and I'd leave the scores in if I were you. What difference does it make? ;)
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 4:56am; Reply: 32
You are entitled to judge things how you see fit.  Don't let anyone tell you any different!

And that's really the point, isn't it.   No one should be discussing how to judge these scripts at this point in time.  If they wanted to do that, they should have done that while everyone was writing them, the first week.  There really isn't any point in doing it now - no one can change a thing about the script they submitted.   The time for discussing what the challenge is about has long since passed.

And if you aren't discussing how you judge the scripts to help people, then why are you discussing them?  To sway other peoples opinions?  Why?  Tell me.  

How you judged a script belongs in your comments on a script - end of story.  

Look at this quote from a guy who posted a comment on one of the scripts for the first time today.


Quoted from big lew

Biggest concern- what about the premise of the Challenge:  a film director has a piece of music and he/she needs lyrics and a script to create a story around it...where is that in this story?


Kind of puts things into perspective, I think.  
Posted by: JonnyBoy, September 2nd, 2009, 5:05am; Reply: 33
I don't know if continuing this conversation is a good idea...seem to be trying to dig my way out of a pretty deep hole using a stick of dynamite at the mo.

I really only raised the issue after I read this comment on the first discussion thread:


Quoted from Shelton
I've been scanning through the comments (as I'm supposed to do) and I've noticed a lot of people commenting on there not being enough comedy.  

Please remember that it's a "dramedy" and not a flat out comedy, which will be presented in a different way.

That is all.


I thought I was simply doing what Mike was doing: just reminding people that 'dramedy' and 'comedy' weren't the same. I don't know if I meant to sway opinions...maybe just express my own opinion on what the challenge was (I think that might sound whiny and confrontational - it's not supposed to) and see what others thought. You're right, it probably wasn't a good time to do it.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 2nd, 2009, 5:20am; Reply: 34

Quoted from JonnyBoy
I don't know if continuing this conversation is a good idea...seem to be trying to dig my way out of a pretty deep hole using a stick of dynamite at the mo.

I really only raised the issue after I read this comment on the first discussion thread:



I thought I was simply doing what Mike was doing: just reminding people that 'dramedy' and 'comedy' weren't the same. I don't know if I meant to sway opinions...maybe just express my own opinion on what the challenge was (I think that might sound whiny and confrontational - it's not supposed to) and see what others thought. You're right, it probably wasn't a good time to do it.


I think we should move on from the discussion about how to judge scripts, as you and Mike have said. However, I'm finding the discussion interesting on another level. I think it shows we all have ideas that are ingrained about what stories and genres are and part of the OWC is surely that we are challenging ourselves to examine those.

Even the word Romantic is impossibly hard to define.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/romantic



Quoted Text
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or of the nature of romance; characteristic or suggestive of the world of romance: a romantic adventure.  
2. fanciful; impractical; unrealistic: romantic ideas.  
3. imbued with or dominated by idealism, a desire for adventure, chivalry, etc.
4. characterized by a preoccupation with love or by the idealizing of love or one's beloved.
5. displaying or expressing love or strong affection.
6. ardent; passionate; fervent.
7. (usually initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a style of literature and art that subordinates form to content, encourages freedom of treatment, emphasizes imagination, emotion, and introspection, and often celebrates nature, the ordinary person, and freedom of the spirit (contrasted with classical ).
8. of or pertaining to a musical style characteristic chiefly of the 19th century and marked by the free expression of imagination and emotion, virtuosic display, experimentation with form, and the adventurous development of orchestral and piano music and opera.
9. imaginary, fictitious, or fabulous.
10. noting, of, or pertaining to the role of a suitor or lover in a play about love: the romantic lead.  


There are numerous contradictory definitions in there.

Introspective and yet Adventurous and virtuosic
About Ordinary People and yet also imaginary, fictitious, or fabulous.

It would seem that something romantic could be about just about anything. A man talking about his love of daffodils. A knight who marches off to kill the Dragon.

So really the scripts can be about anything, they just need to deal with serious issues in a serious way whilst having a modicum of comedy in them.
Posted by: michel, September 2nd, 2009, 5:45am; Reply: 35
Mine too!!!
Posted by: LC, September 2nd, 2009, 6:30am; Reply: 36

Quoted from mcornetto


Look at this quote from a guy who posted a comment on one of the scripts for the first time today.

Quoted from big lew

Biggest concern- what about the premise of the Challenge:  a film director has a piece of music and he/she needs lyrics and a script to create a story around it...where is that in this story?


Kind of puts things into perspective, I think.  


No it doesn't actually. And, I'm not being facetious here but the "filmaker has a piece of music" element was omitted. At least that's how I remember it. Get clarification from Don.

That's why imo, we're not 'seeing' any 'film-maker' scenarios in the scripts posted so far.

I'm stumped. I really didn't want to add to this thread anymore - just wanted to get on with reviewing but, with respect, your comment just perplexes me.

***********    This was the amended.

Quoted from SS
:This month's theme and genre:
Genre:  Romantic Drama/Comedy (Romantic Dramedy)
Theme:  This piece of music.

You must write a script and lyrics (to the music provided) 12 pages etc  ... "
  



Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 6:55am; Reply: 37
You are right it was omitted and I already chatted with Lew.  But you will see filmmaker scripts.

But if you are saying, just because Lew didn't read this thread his script is incorrect.  I'm afraid not.

There is more than one way to judge this challenge.  More so because the brief was changed and not everyone is reading this thread.   There is no single interpretation that is correct and there will never be.
Posted by: elis, September 2nd, 2009, 7:00am; Reply: 38

Quoted from LC


No it doesn't actually. And, I'm not being facetious here but the "filmaker has a piece of music" element was omitted. At least that's how I remember it. Get clarification from Don.

That's why imo, we're not 'seeing' any 'film-maker' scenarios in the scripts posted so far.

I'm stumped. I really didn't want to add to this thread anymore - just wanted to get on with reviewing but, with respect, your comment just perplexes me.






Then just continue reviewing. :P
This was an unusual challenge and we have all had our own ways of reviewing.
If the story has an inclination of romance ( and as previously mentioned it can be anything that touches on romance) and... if you have a bit of comedy and it is dramatic and... the song portrays or reflects the story...
Then you have met the challenge.
And...if they haven't, say so and still review for the quality of their script.

It is a challenge and it has obviously challenged us all in many ways :P ;D ;)
Posted by: LC, September 2nd, 2009, 7:00am; Reply: 39

Quoted from mcornetto
You are right it was omitted and I already chatted with Lew.  But you will see filmmaker scripts.

But if you are saying, just because Lew didn't read this thread his script is incorrect.  I'm afraid not.

There is more than one way to judge this challenge.  More so because the brief was changed and not everyone is reading this thread.   There is no single interpretation that is correct and there will never be.


No, I'm saying that of the reviews I've seen Lew write (coincidentally, I might add) he says something to the effect of 'doesn't meet the 'premise' i.e. of 'a filmaker has a script' etc. That's all I'm saying. If someone chooses to write it that way that's fine. I think you're kinda missing the point that I think Lew is of the belief that no-one, or at least the one's he read, has met the specific challenge. Do not want to go 'round in circles here.


Posted by: LC, September 2nd, 2009, 7:10am; Reply: 40
And, I don't think I'm being understood here. I was actually defending the various interpretations of the challenge. So, I'll just bow out for now.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 2nd, 2009, 7:13am; Reply: 41
Lew is of that belief. The challenge was amended slightly because a lot of people read it as though there had to be a filmmaker in the actual script.

That wasn't the intention.

Unfortunately some writers and some reviewers didn't see the thread where that amendment was discussed.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 7:17am; Reply: 42
Lew has been notified.

And I have a question for all of you.

Are you enjoying the scripts you're reading?  

I've been loving them.  The quality has been very good. I was surprised that I could actually enjoy reading some of the romantic scripts out there.  I never would have thought I would have.
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 2nd, 2009, 7:36am; Reply: 43

Quoted from mcornetto
Lew has been notified.

And I have a question for all of you.

Are you enjoying the scripts you're reading?  

I've been loving them.  The quality has been very good. I was surprised that I could actually enjoy reading some of the romantic scripts out there.  I never would have thought I would have.


The quality is very high. I've missed the last couple of OWC's, but the standard has improved considerably since the early days.
Posted by: LC, September 2nd, 2009, 7:51am; Reply: 44

Quoted from mcornetto

Are you enjoying the scripts you're reading?  


Absolutely. This is my first experience with the OWC. The turn-out and quality is amazing. The reading and reviewing fun, if a little exhausting  :D

Are they always like this? Full on!
Was this number of entries anticipated? Somehow I don't think so.

There should be a warning on the this site - Membership to SS is highly addictive. :)

Posted by: wannabe (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:17am; Reply: 45
This is a great site, I've been trolling it for a long time and I'm glad I finally jumped on board.  

As far as the reviews go, I think everyone not only their own taste but also their own style of reviewing.  This type of contest is for learning.  I mean, what's really at stake here?  There are no awards, prizes or mention in the Movie Bytes newsletter.  It's just a writing exercise.  If you didn't follow the "dramedy" guideline but you finished a short in a week then that's the prize in itself.  If it was a "contest" and you didn't follow the guidelines then you should be DQ'd...but it's not.  :)
Posted by: khamanna, September 2nd, 2009, 2:16pm; Reply: 46
The reviews here are great, I'm already planning for a rewrite...



One question:

We are supposed to turn in signed copies of our scripts (if we choose so, I know), right?

Can we fix few typos, and if yes, how far we can go with fixing?
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 4:25pm; Reply: 47
After the authors have been announced you can resubmit your script with your name on it and fix any typos you want.  Just be sure to let Don know it's a revision of your OWC script in the comments on the form.
Posted by: michel, September 2nd, 2009, 6:22pm; Reply: 48
Do you think we could start to establish here our own Top 5 yet? I don't really think it would influence the other reviewers. I believe each one of them has his/her own opinion and wouldn't be influanced at all.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 6:32pm; Reply: 49
I think that all of them aren't posted yet.  
Posted by: michel, September 2nd, 2009, 6:33pm; Reply: 50
So?
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 6:49pm; Reply: 51
So your list could change at any moment as you continue reading.  
Posted by: michel, September 2nd, 2009, 6:57pm; Reply: 52
OK. Then, it would be seven left?
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 8:19pm; Reply: 53
Big round of applause for Don for getting all of those scripts posted.  

Thanks Don!
Posted by: Astrid (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 8:52pm; Reply: 54
I see people reviewing scripts that don't have a little asterisk by the title. If it doesn't have an asterisk that means the writer isn't reviewing, right? Or did I misunderstand? I don't wanna read stuff by people who aren't here reviewing.
  
Posted by: bobtheballa (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:13pm; Reply: 55

Quoted from Astrid
I see people reviewing scripts that don't have a little asterisk by the title. If it doesn't have an asterisk that means the writer isn't reviewing, right? Or did I misunderstand? I don't wanna read stuff by people who aren't here reviewing.
  


I was thinking the same thing... maybe those people have already read all of the ones with astericks?


Quoted from mcornetto
Big round of applause for Don for getting all of those scripts posted.  

Thanks Don!


Agreed. That's a lot of entries to post in just 5 days, and thanks as always for hosting the site/challenge.
Posted by: Astrid (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:14pm; Reply: 56

Quoted from bobtheballa


I was thinking the same thing... maybe those people have already read all of the ones with astericks?


That could be, n i think its great that people want to read 'em all. I don't mean to discourage anyone. I was just curious.
Posted by: rendevous, September 2nd, 2009, 9:15pm; Reply: 57
I think the score is the reveal of authors is to be done by Don.

It's highly unlikely in my opinion authors have reviewed and commented their own scripts.
Posted by: Blakkwolfe, September 2nd, 2009, 9:24pm; Reply: 58
The little asterisks is to indicate folks who have particpated in (and commented on) previous OWC's. These tend to attract alot of new writers who drop off thier entry and are never heard from again. This is not to say that they aren't reviewing now or won't in the future, they just don't have a track record to fall back on...So by all means, check out and read as many as you like.

Oh, and yeah, I've seen it done in the past where someone has reviewed their own script just to throw the guesses off the trail...
Posted by: khamanna, September 2nd, 2009, 9:24pm; Reply: 59
:)

I commented on my own:)
Posted by: khamanna, September 2nd, 2009, 9:26pm; Reply: 60
And not to throw guesses off the trai - I read it again and thought about what was wrong with it...
Posted by: Blakkwolfe, September 2nd, 2009, 9:32pm; Reply: 61
I'll admit to having done that in the past, but I haven't this time around...Or did I? Hmmmm....
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:34pm; Reply: 62
I thought mine was the bestest writ script this whole wide planet has ever seen.  Bette than 5 leg pig, or even a pregnant giraffe.
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:36pm; Reply: 63
If I had entered I would have commented on my own script...perhaps.
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:37pm; Reply: 64
C'mon, Michael, I know you entered...uh...right?
Posted by: Astrid (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:55pm; Reply: 65
I commented on my script and want desperately to explain just one little thing. But I can't! At least not yet. :P

Er, or maybe I didn't and don't!
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:58pm; Reply: 66
Jeff, If I entered you may have already commented on my script and I may have gotten quite a chuckle out of it.
Posted by: Astrid (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 9:59pm; Reply: 67
mcornetto, you commeted on my script.

CLUE!
Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 10:06pm; Reply: 68
Cornie, I think I know which one was yours.  You never know for sure, but...damn...actually, now that I think about it, I remember thinking I possibly read yours a few times...there are a few that I thought could be yours.

You gotta review your own script!  To throw people off, to play it WAY UP, HEll, just cause you want to review all teh scripts!

Good fun, all!!!!!
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 10:13pm; Reply: 69
Astrid you may or may not have reviewed mine, if I had one entered.
Posted by: Sandra Elstree., September 2nd, 2009, 10:28pm; Reply: 70

Quoted from rendevous
I think the score is the reveal of authors is to be done by Don.

It's highly unlikely in my opinion authors have reviewed and commented their own scripts.


I haven't this time. But I have before. Just because I love Pia and she knows best!

Sandra
Posted by: Astrid (Guest), September 2nd, 2009, 10:29pm; Reply: 71

Quoted from mcornetto
Astrid you may or may not have reviewed mine, if I had one entered.


I did read it, and I'm sorry I didn't like it.

Or did I? IDK. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Posted by: jwent6688, September 2nd, 2009, 10:45pm; Reply: 72
Well, don't blame me for calling out Jeff more than a few times. He read my first 9 pager.... so i opened up his fucking 112 page feature in return. Now I think everything i read is by DREAMSCALE. Talk about brainwash. I did call out Tommyp too. Only other one I read a coupla from. Then there's RENDEZVOUS... did he enter or didn't she???  We may never know... Hi Susan.

From everyone else, I will return reads after the reaveal.


Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 3rd, 2009, 1:44am; Reply: 73
Hey,

If any of the new folk around or any of the old folks around are interested in joining us in our screenwriting exercise which is called Thief (you can find details here).  Then send me a PM.  It would really help out because we lost one of our players to his uni classes.  

Cheers.
Posted by: Sandra Elstree., September 3rd, 2009, 1:50am; Reply: 74

Quoted from mcornetto
Hey,

If any of the new folk around or any of the old folks around are interested in joining us in our screenwriting exercise which is called Thief (you can find details here).  Then send me a PM.  It would really help out because we lost one of our players to his uni classes.  

Cheers.


Yes, please.

Next to Frances, Jimmy was the most genteel and Jeana and Cherry really miss him.

Please bring him back.

We need him!

Sandra
Posted by: stevie, September 3rd, 2009, 3:57am; Reply: 75
I have just finished reading all the scripts!!  somehow i still my sanity....

I would like to say well done to all and even ones I didn't realy like, deserve kudos for attempting a very tough challenge.

I can vaguely remember my faves - the title sall blur together after so many reads.

GOOD JOB ALL!!!
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 3rd, 2009, 4:01am; Reply: 76
Well done Saint Stevie!
Posted by: Scar Tissue Films, September 3rd, 2009, 5:40am; Reply: 77
When you pick your favourites, are you supposed to pick those you think have met the challenge the best, those that you feel are technically the "best" or just simply "your favourites", for whatever reason?
Posted by: mcornetto (Guest), September 3rd, 2009, 5:45am; Reply: 78
Don will probably be more specific about it however it generally is just your favourites by however you judged and usually you can pick your own.  

But don't take what I'm saying as gospel, Don may have other plans - but that is what usually happens.  He may not even have people pick their favourites this time for all I know.  

If he doesn't then after the names are announced we can have our very own favourite fest in this thread.

Posted by: elis, September 3rd, 2009, 6:09am; Reply: 79
The one thing I like about challenges, even if all the criterias aren't met, is what an individuals mind can come up with.
The best  PC on the market ( organically grown, of course, lol) ::)
Posted by: JonnyBoy, September 3rd, 2009, 7:34am; Reply: 80
Just had an idea, interested to see people's responses.

What could be quite interesting, I think, is if once the challenge is over and who wrote what is revealed, we start a thread called 'My Method' or 'My Process'. And anyone who entered and wants to could just write a post about how they tackled the challenge...did the song/lyrics lead to the story? Was it added last? What was their strategy in trying to blend the elements? What were/weren't they happy with? That way we could get an insight into other ways of tackling the brief, and understand people's entries better in the light of the process that got them there.

Only mods can start threads on this board I think, and as I say we'd obviously have to wait 'til the names were revealed...but does that sound interesting to anyone?
Posted by: bert, September 3rd, 2009, 7:46am; Reply: 81

Quoted from mcornetto
But don't take what I'm saying as gospel, Don may have other plans


I regret that I have not had time to participate on the boards much in what looks like a very successful challenge.

Not sure what Don has up his sleeve -- but what I do know is that those of you who read many of these scripts will play a key role in the selection process.

Don will be turning primarily to the most prolific readers when selecting the "favorite" -- as he should.
Posted by: Astrid (Guest), September 3rd, 2009, 8:03am; Reply: 82

Quoted from bert


I regret that I have not had time to participate on the boards much in what looks like a very successful challenge.

Not sure what Don has up his sleeve -- but what I do know is that those of you who read many of these scripts will play a key role in the selection process.

Don will be turning primarily to the most prolific readers when selecting the "favorite" -- as he should.


Should i read more?

Why am i up at 8 in the morning?!

Posted by: Dreamscale (Guest), September 3rd, 2009, 10:38am; Reply: 83
I like your idea, Johnny.
Posted by: Sandra Elstree., September 5th, 2009, 4:53am; Reply: 84

Quoted from bert


I regret that I have not had time to participate on the boards much in what looks like a very successful challenge.

Not sure what Don has up his sleeve -- but what I do know is that those of you who read many of these scripts will play a key role in the selection process.

Don will be turning primarily to the most prolific readers when selecting the "favorite" -- as he should.


I understand. Don't worry. It's our thoughts that count.

Thinking of the best possible outcome,

Sandra
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