Quoted from Shelton These weird conversion things don't seem right.  I've seen a few posts where a 7 or 8 dollar a gallon US rate is high, but since you're money is worth essentially double ours, wouldn't it come out even?  What am I missing here?

Mike, the problem here is that the gas prices in Europe have always been higher than in the US, so the 7-8 dollar a gallon isn't really anything new to us. Also, we don't pay in dollars.

What I don't understand is why the gas prices are increasing in Europe. The dollar is dropping like a brick. That alone should make the gas prices decrease. I understand that the price of a barrel of oil has increase because of the weak dollar, but at any rate that should only even things out. Still, the prices are increasing.

Right.  I'm just thinking that if gas there is, say, 2 pounds or euros gallon, that it would be equal to about 4 dollars a gallon, which is about what we're paying here.  That's all I was wondering about.

In the end, we're all getting stiffed.

I think The Prodigy said it best...Diesel Power!

Quoted from Soap Hands And since, I guess, you believe we went to Iraq for oil, you can just imagine the wars that might start. We'll get that crazed look in our eyes and anythings game.

It sounds like you believe that, too, although, I'm guessing, you've probably denied it on other forum debates.

Quoted from Soap Hands I'm sure there are many more things one could speculate but I'll let your imagination work on that. But to return to the main point of my previous point, the source of the problem is a lot of people wanting/needing a scarce resource. And like me said, the only two solution are use less/find more or pay more(if there are price caps you'll still pay more, perhaps just not in money).

Indeed. Use less. Go green. Because if we don't we'll pay more, perhaps just not in money.  

Hey,

Quoted from Chris Reid It sounds like you believe that, too, although, I'm guessing, you've probably denied it on other forum debates.

Ouch... Is that a dig at me? I'm not sure.  

For the record, I don't believe my position on the war or it's motivations has come up here(although I have been kind of outed as conservative leaning) . Unless you're talking about my activity on other forums, which would frankly be frightening.

But I'll be happy to clarify the part of that that pertains to this. I don't think the primary reason we went is for oil. I acknowledge it was probably a large factor, but I do think it was primarily for security/crazy neocon idealism reasons.

Anticipating future objections: If you want to mass arguments/evidence to the contrary, to open my eyes, that's fine. I'll hear you out, but I'm not interested in/ have the energy for that right now. I probably won't respond, unless the charges are ludicrous. But anyway, I hope we can leave it at that for now.

Quoted from Chris Reid Indeed. Use less. Go green. Because if we don't we'll pay more, perhaps just not in money.

I have no problem with people trying to use less. It's just that, it's not like I'm burning barrels of the stuff for fun right now.  I think a practical solution is to drill for more, regardless of the caribou. Actually, let me rephrase that. FUCK the caribou! I want my fucking oil for low fucking prices!!!!L!111!one11!!JUAN!!!!111

sheepwalker

Quoted from Soap Hands Anticipating future objections: If you want to mass arguments/evidence to the contrary, to open my eyes, that's fine. I'll hear you out, but I'm not interested in/ have the energy for that right now. I probably won't respond, unless the charges are ludicrous. But anyway, I hope we can leave it at that for now.

Leave it at that? I think not. I'm one of those legendary cyber stalkers you hear so much about. This is never going to be over.  

But seriously, dude. That's fine. A few posts into it I was hoping it wasn't going to drag on forever. I'm just glad our good friend Death Monkey didn't show up (touch wood). He would have trapped me in here for ages    

Hey,

Quoted from Chris Reid But seriously, dude. That's fine. A few posts into it I was hoping it wasn't going to drag on forever.

To clarify, that was about the preconditions for the war stuff. I'm willing to continue talking about oil, or if you want to respond to my crucifixion of the caribou.

Quoted from Chris Reid I'm just glad our good friend Death Monkey didn't show up

Actually, I'd be curious to have his input on this. In fact, I think I'll begin the blood/virgin sacrifice ritual necessary to summon him. Or, maybe a big pile of bananas will do???

sheepwalker  

The only solution is to grow lots of Hemp and adjust cars so that they may be fueled by Hemp seed oil.  It may get us there a bit slower but people would have a hell of a lot of fun on the way.

Quoted from Soap Hands Hey, To clarify, that was about the preconditions for the war stuff. I'm willing to continue talking about oil, or if you want to respond to my crucifixion of the caribou.

We'd just be going around in circles, Sheepwalker. I've made my position clear and from what I've already said, my position on the environment (caribou) is pretty clear too. Something like 2% of the world's population have 85% of the wealth, while the other 98% of us squabble over the remaining 15%. If it's going to cost the 2% too much money to convert to a green world economy, too f*****g bad. They can afford it. All this BS over oil is unnecessary. We have the technology to convert to alternative fuel sources.  

Actually, let me rephrase that. F*** the 2%! I want my f*****g green economy!!!!L!111!one11!!JUAN!!!!111  

I’m done.

Quoted from Soap Hands Hey, To clarify, that was about the preconditions for the war stuff. I'm willing to continue talking about oil, or if you want to respond to my crucifixion of the caribou. Actually, I'd be curious to have his input on this. In fact, I think I'll begin the blood/virgin sacrifice ritual necessary to summon him. Or, maybe a big pile of bananas will do??? sheepwalker

My ears are burning...

However I currently have no opinion on this matter. Ask again later.

Man, this "Magic Eightball"-attitude to politics is awesome!

Hey,

Quoted from Chris Reid We'd just be going around in circles, Sheepwalker. I've made my position clear and from what I've already said, my position on the environment (caribou) is pretty clear too. Something like 2% of the world's population have 85% of the wealth, while the other 98% of us squabble over the remaining 15%. If it's going to cost the 2% too much money to convert to a green world economy, too f*****g bad. They can afford it. All this BS over oil is unnecessary. We have the technology to convert to alternative fuel sources.   Actually, let me rephrase that. F*** the 2%! I want my f*****g green economy!!!!L!111!one11!!JUAN!!!!111

Well, it's--   ....Alright, let's leave it at that.

But quickly, I'll just say that I actually heard on argument on the suspension of the federal gas tax today that changed my mind. So, I guess we can agree on that.

Quoted from The boy who could fly caribou tastes like chicken...YUM

Actually, it's my understanding of the situation that the technology has been developed to a point where the caribou hardly have to give up any of their habitats... But I agree that that doesn't mean we shouldn't kill caribou for food, I hear endangered things are more tender, or for just plain fun. To paraphrase Troy McClure, those blood thirsty bastards would do they same thing if they ever got the chance.

Quoted from Death Monkey My ears are burning... However I currently have no opinion on this matter. Ask again later. Man, this "Magic Eightball"-attitude to politics is awesome!

Oh, that's funny, you're here already. I thought it took three pairs of ovaries, not two...  


sheepwalker



  

Quoted from Death Monkey My ears are burning... However I currently have no opinion on this matter. Ask again later. Man, this "Magic Eightball"-attitude to politics is awesome!

Quoted from Soap Hands Oh, that's funny, you're here already. I thought it took three pairs of ovaries, not two...   sheepwalker

It's actually kinda scary, because I haven't really been around these boards for a few months and I have no interest in rising gas prices since I bike, but somehow I was drawn to this thread anyway...

I hope the virgin you sacrificed to get me here deserved it.

Hey,

Quoted from Death Monkey It's actually kinda scary, because I haven't really been around these boards for a few months and I have no interest in rising gas prices since I bike, but somehow I was drawn to this thread anyway... I hope the virgin you sacrificed to get me here deserved it.

Virgins not virgin. But anyway, no. They were both precious little things. You should feel bad.


sheepwalker

My wife and I are visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks and will be renting a car for a few days.  Gas prices worry us.


Phil