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Does going to college, getting a new TV, etc. leave your family and friends with deep feelings of guilt? Comparing suicide to your other examples is plain stupid. Killing yourself creates serious ramifications which the deceased doesn't have to deal with.
Phil
Ah so one should stay alive to spare the people you leave behind? One should endure what quite possibly could be hell, to avoid the serious ramifications one's death could have on other people? Now who's being selfish?
The very notion that one has a responsibility to stay alive for the sake of others is in my humble opinion so incredibly misguided and narrowminded that I don't even know where to begin with a proper reply.
"The Flux capacitor. It's what makes time travel possible."
Ah so one should stay alive to spare the people you leave behind? One should endure what quite possibly could be hell, to avoid the serious ramifications one's death could have on other people? Now who's being selfish?
The very notion that one has a responsibility to stay alive for the sake of others is in my humble opinion so incredibly misguided and narrowminded that I don't even know where to begin with a proper reply.
One should learn to suck it up. No one said that life would be easy. Somehow I doubt this kid's life was any worse than any of ours. I didn't find anything reading about him that showed that his life was so shitty. If you hear about anything, let me know.
I've gone through a couple of times in my life that would put this kid to shame; I'm sure a lot us have. And we survived.
The very notion that one has a responsibility to stay alive for the sake of others is in my humble opinion so incredibly misguided and narrowminded that I don't even know where to begin with a proper reply.
So the guy who works at a blue collar job and decides to end his life has no responsibility to his wife or three kids to which his job is serving as their only source of income? Really?
One should learn to suck it up. No one said that life would be easy. Somehow I doubt this kid's life was any worse than any of ours. I didn't find anything reading about him that showed that his life was so shitty. If you hear about anything, let me know.
I've gone through a couple of times in my life that would put this kid to shame; I'm sure a lot us have. And we survived.
Phil
Maybe you should set up a "shitty life gold standard" so people can cross check if their suicide gets your approval.
the question is: Why do we survive? Why do we endure? If your answer simply to endure. Simply to be, then that's bogus.
Here's what really doesn't gel with me. This entire notion of the indivudal submitting to society. The individiual having a responsibility to society (in whatever form) stay alive because society deems his pain isn't 'intolerable'.
That's just none of society's fucking business. Society doesn't get to tell you when you're in 'enough' pain to check out.
"The Flux capacitor. It's what makes time travel possible."
What about responsibility for your family? This kid put his entire family, and all his close friends, in the shitter for a long long time. They're all going to wonder if any of it was their fault and why they couldn't see the signs.
The fact that he broadcasted his death on the internet shows how selfish he was.
Let's see what's on HBO tonight? What? Entourage again? I gotta find a straight razor....
So the guy who works at a blue collar job and decides to end his life has no responsibility to his wife or three kids to which his job is serving as their only source of income? Really?
So blue collar households with only one breadwinner exist in a moral vacuum where suicide isn't permissable, unlike, say, white collar upper middle class WASPS where suicide is a-okay 'cause daddy already saved for little Mitch and Bonnie's college fund?
Really?
The degree to which suicide is ethical is determined by your social standing all of a sudden?
Then it's a really a practical question isn't it? Suffice his kids would be taken care of financially, then the argument vanishes...
Let's for the sake of argument say that only people whose kids had left home and were financially independent, would be elligible for suicide, would you be cool with that? No, let's take it one further. Only people who didn't have any immediate familiy were elligible.
But what about the person who finds your body? That's a head-case waiting to happen, right? Emotional trauma and all that. Better see a shrink. And that costs ya. You wouldn't dare lay that on some poor soul. And who's gonna clean up the mess? And your house will probably depreciate in value once people start talking about it. And it's gonna be super awkward for your neighbours.
Better just suck it up. Too much of a hassle for other people.
"The Flux capacitor. It's what makes time travel possible."
What about responsibility for your family? This kid put his entire family, and all his close friends, in the shitter for a long long time. They're all going to wonder if any of it was their fault and why they couldn't see the signs.
The fact that he broadcasted his death on the internet shows how selfish he was.
Let's see what's on HBO tonight? What? Entourage again? I gotta find a straight razor....
'Cuz I'm too weak to change the channel.
Phil
Phil
I was never talking about the specific kid. I was talking about the principle of suicide. Whether or not taking your own life ultimately is your own decision and right.
If you wanna debate whether or not this specific punk was ethically just in overdosing on Zanax then you're gonna have to do it with somebody else, 'cause that's not the business I'm in.
I think your problem is you see every suicidal person as a spoiled teenager who's really just begging for attention or someone who's never experienced real hurt so when it comes he or she overreacts and takes the easy way out.
But here's good old Maddox with a relevant thought:
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Suicide isn't so bad, give it a chance.
Thinking about suicide but you're not sure if it's the right thing to do? Here are some tips to help you decide whether or not killing yourself is a good choice:
1. Do you live at home but your parents are always making you clean your room and do your homework? It's a sure sign that they don't love you and that they want you to kill yourself. Why else would they make you clean your room? What are they going to do next, ground you? Make you wear braces? Don't kid yourself, the message is clear.
2. If you just got out of a bad relationship and you feel like things are never going to get better; you're right. Everyone knows that suicide is the only option, stop procrastinating. Look on the bright side, at least your ex will feel guilty for a couple of minutes--but don't count on it.
3. Depressed? Don't have any friends? I guess nobody told you, but being depressed and feeling lonely isn't normal. Everyone else is happy, and has lots of friends so there must be something wrong with you. Put the prozac away, what you need is rat poison.
4. Spill a drink at a party? Drop a plate of food in a restaurant? Nobody else has to live with that kind of embarrassment; you know what you have to do.
5. Flunked out of college? Don't know algebra? Here's a question you should know the answer to: Flunked out of college + Don't know algebra = Time for _____. Chances are you still don't know the answer, so here's a hint: it starts with an 's' and ends in 'uicide'.
6. Traffic jam? Sometimes bad luck isn't a coincidence. Do you really want to sit in traffic for another half hour? Look on the bright side, if you're a viking you'll be going to Valhalla. Then again, you're probably not, but eternal damnation in hell is probably the next best thing.
7. Telemarketers keep calling? It's easier to hang yourself than to get rid of a telemarketer, am I wrong? If you're lucky, Home Depot might be having a sale on rope. After all, you don't want to die letting people think you weren't frugal.
8. Flu? You realize that there's no cure for the flu, right? Well, no cure that doesn't involve painting the wall with your brains.
9. Flat tire? Do I have to spell it out for you?
10. College application get rejected? Take the hint.
Hope you found this guide helpful, mention it in your suicide note. On second thought, why bother? Nobody will read it.
"The Flux capacitor. It's what makes time travel possible."
I think many of the posts on this thread show a classic misunderstanding of depression.
They certainly do. There's more to suffering from clinical depression than just being bummed out about losing your girlfriend or your job or not getting into the college of your choice. These things are not reason enough to commit suicide over.
This guy isn't really that much different than the two killers from Columbine. They wanted to be famous for something and to have people talk about them. Since they couldn't make that difference in life, they did it in death, by committing suicide.
I think your problem is you see every suicidal person as a spoiled teenager who's really just begging for attention or someone who's never experienced real hurt so when it comes he or she overreacts and takes the easy way out.
Unless you have no family or friends at all, your suicide will leave an impression on someone. Chances are, it won't be good. Even if you are that loner, you would have to take special care that no one finds your body, because you will leave an impression on the person that finds you.
I recently saw some footage of people on a public beach when a floater washed up. I don't know the cause of death here, but it freaked out a lot of people. Do you want your lasting mark on Earth to be that?
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