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I wanted to bring this up. If there's a thread for it, forgive. I've been asked by a few through PM, where to post their shorts to attract the most attention from film makers. I, personally, think this place is best. I just think its what you write, not necessarily where you post it.
Some of the best shorts I've ever read on here have no chance of becoming film IMO. The production costs would be enormous. The best short I think i've personally ever written only got two queries. Both went nowhere. Basically two talking heads on a train with a violent ending. It wasn't the violent ending that was the problem, it was the train. Amateur film makers don't have that kind of coin for the insurance and rental.
My last short was two talking heads in a resataurant. 14 queries. It was an experiment. It worked. It's been shot once, Looks like its going to be made again by a filmaker in LA.
I've often wondered the value. Is it better to write to win contests or to be produced?
I think a couple of well made shorts on anyones resume could do wonders. I've got two so far. Thank you Cornie for The Environmetalist. It is my showpiece.
I would just like to hear what some people think as to why some shorts get made and some don't. To me, it's not about where you place them, its how you write them. I don't know which of the vets here have had the most produced shorts, But I think it would be educational to all who aspire to see there work on film if you guys chimed in. I personally would like to hear it. I'm interested...
Now that I've gotten that out with mediocre eloquence, time for some cheap rum as I watch this thread drop straight down the portal with no responses. Cheers!
Based on what I've seen here, I think it's been a cross between being dirt cheap and good writing... that is also dirt cheap.
Mike (Shelton) and Phil have both had a number of shorts produced which I've read and I think it was just a matter of a simple premise and sharp dialogue. I've read others that were produced that I didn't are for but were, again... just dirt cheap. I have a short currently in production which was also, you guessed it, dirt cheap to produce.
That said, I have a big problem with writers setting their sights too low. If you write a script in an apartment with two characters or maybe one character doing a V.O., chances are it'll be easy to produce. A lot of writers could probably shoot their stuff themselves. That doesn't mean it'll be worth it though. A lot of these scripts just feel like brain farts to me and I can't imagine a prospective director, D.P., etc. would have much to show for themselves. So I'd say just try to keep it simple but do put some effort into it and try to come up with something interesting.
Another thing that might be an interesting approach for feature writers would be to write shorts with characters from your features. That way, you have characters who are, hopefully, three-dimensional with established backstories who you can toy around with, without having to go the whole nine yards as far as concept or budget are concerned. I've realized recently that I don't have a knack for, nor a great interest in, writing shorts but have finally started to become actively involved in filmmaking so this is one avenue I'm looking to pursue.
If it's humour and it's funny and easy to produce and it has a catchy title then you are most likely to get a bite. Second would be horror and easy to produce.
I think I've had near 15 or so produced now. Some are still in production, but should be done soon. I'm not sure, but I think I have 40 shorts here and almost 50 on my website. I haven't counted them in a while.
Most of them have been found here and a few at MoviePoet. Got an e-mail about Old Wounds from there today. That works out good since the other person tinkering with it for a couple of years will not finish it.
I wouldn't worry too much about keeping an ultra low budget in mind. Story has to come first.
I love writing shorts. Suits my attention span just right. I also think shorts are a great way to connect with producer/directors. Many times I've been asked by people who love my shorts if they can read a feature... Sadly, I've never had a feature that was good enough to show anyone until Blackout, but that one was rewritten by someone else. Still, it's in the hands of a director looking for a feature to shoot that already directed one of my shorts. In other words, absolutely write shorts and post them here.
It's more than just having your script produced. The filmmaker needs to do something with the film to have any impact.
Of my favorite shorts produced, only half made it beyond private viewing. They did very well in competition and, IMHO, helped me. The others disappeared off the face of the earth; I'm trying to get master copies of them so I can get them into festivals. Getting them into festivals makes it easier to get it listed on IMDB, and that'll only make me look better.
Those that are just starting out are more often than not looking for extremely cheap stuff to produce...so one location and a few characters.
Obviously there are more beginners out there looking for material...so those kind of scripts will move more easily.
With that being said James and Phil make very salient points.
The shorts that more serious filmmakers will be after will probably be one of three things:
1.European style social realism...these are the kinds of stories that seem to win multiple awards at the biggest European festival...and they can make serious, serious money.
It's a very simple story, reasonably well filmed...most people wouldn't consider it either a great story/script or film IMHO.
It won over 200 awards (!!!) and also won an award they give to the film most nominated in a single year by the major film festivals.
This is a MAJOR market in short film terms that not many writers cater for on here, and elsehwere on the web,
2. Genre scripts that will enable the filmmaker to compete for prizes and attention. Particularly high concept shorts that act as a promo for a feature...EG Saw.
3. The type of short that allows the filmmaker to demonstrate his undeniable talent as a pro director...high end visual stuff that requires green screen, VFX etc...Ie a film that demonstrates their ability to make an actual Hollywood film, just on a smaller scale.
EG The Silent City, The Raven.
As for what's better for a writer...would have thought contests would be more useful personally...but I don't know for sure. That's ultimatley a true reflection of your own work. Phil raises a very pertinent point about the ability of filmmakers to promote their material (and hence your writing). It's extremely difficult without considerable financial resources to get the film out to multiple festivals...it's far from a level playing field. It can certainly be beneficial to establish a relationship with a competent filmmaker though, as Pia suggests, as who knows where that may ultimately lead?
The main reason I brought This up was because I talked with this director at lenghts last night. He said, and I quote, "You're nobody in this town if you don't, at least, have an IMDB profile. That's the first thing we look at."
It resonated with me. Again, better to write shorts with competition in mind or write to be produced?
I didn't write a shit short, James. Its not a cop out. I churned my brains for weeks trying to come up with the idea. Most liked it, except Jeff. I would never advise ANYONE to set their sights low. Just more practical. I laughed my ass off when I wrote it. Because I found it funny myself.
I also think a mediocre script can become a great film if done by the right director.
I spend as much time selling my work as I do writing it. You have to find directors/producers who want to look at it. Since the beginning of the year, I sent out 90+ query letters and 200+ e-queries.
And you have to give them a reason to look at your work! Don't tell a director that you have 10 feature length scripts and 75 shorts in your portfolio. That means jack-shit. Tell them what you've had produced and if you won anything in competitions.
So don't expect to work in that town until you have an IMDB profile. There are plenty of other people who make shorts in plenty of other places. Eventually one of them will make a film of yours and enter it into a contest on withoutabox and then you will have an IMDB credit.
I didn't write a shit short, James. Its not a cop out. I churned my brains for weeks trying to come up with the idea. Most liked it, except Jeff. I would never advise ANYONE to set their sights low. Just more practical. I laughed my ass off when I wrote it. Because I found it funny myself.
I didn't mean to imply you did write a "shit short," nor am I sure you even meant to imply that I did. If you did, and I read it, I will most certainly have told you.
I do think a lot of writers do set their sights low though. I don't think any of them realize it but they do it just the same.
I do agree a mediocre script can be made into a great film but who cares? Why wait for the right director to come along? Get it right on paper.
The main reason I brought This up was because I talked with this director at lenghts last night. He said, and I quote, "You're nobody in this town if you don't, at least, have an IMDB profile. That's the first thing we look at."
Writers have some pretty hard competition with writer/director/producers.
Two episodes ago for Babz Buzz she discretely took a pass on what I thought would be a "difficult" question: "What kind of producers and directors go to agencies looking for material? Why aren't they writing their own stuff" My guess: People with toys and talent but no ideas of their own to shoot.
Now, we've all seen sh!t films. Some made it DTV. Some to assorted horror-fests. Lionsgate probably brings in some margin from schlock. Some even make it to the silver screen.
So, who are you writing for? Who is coming to look for your work?
Phil & Pia impress the pudding outta me because they've been able to successfully secure producers for their material. I gather it takes a LOT of effort. Building contacts and relationships is key in this biz. Likely, their producers and directors have a "stable" of writers, much akin to what Babz refers to, so there's no guarantee that once anyone makes a hit film (and we all know how fickle that can be) that the other writers are gonna have to take a distant back seat for a while.
Competition cognizance. Produce & market. Not just produce. But I'm just guessing.
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Still, it's in the hands of a director looking for a feature to shoot that already directed one of my shorts. In other words, absolutely write shorts and post them here. 
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