Quoted from ArtyDoubleYou I'm gutted City didn't get the clean sheet, would of been good points for Kompany.

That was definitely a good thing for the rest of us!

I'd still go with City to win it over Chelsea. Ruthless attacking side who are great to watch. Much better than watching Bore-inho's side play.

Quoted from IamGlenn I'd still go with City to win it over Chelsea. Ruthless attacking side who are great to watch. Much better than watching Bore-inho's side play.

That doesn't surprise me! Liverpool fans uniformly hate Mourinho! And he hates the club right back. It's very amusing. But it does mean that his qualities get ignored, and downplayed - the bloke is a top, top manager.

I'd describe both City and Chelsea as efficient. City didn't play well tonight, seemed to lack a bit of pace, but they were ruthless. Chelsea are the same, but both teams have players who can turn on the style and can be great to watch.

If you want to see style though, just get down the Lane. We scored a goal that had 46 passes and all 11 players touched the ball. That's basically a dream goal. However, I'd prefer it if we do it against Liverpool on Sunday, QPR were poor. Hopefully we'll play our second team in the Europa on Thursday and be fresh for Liverpool. Can't go much worse then last season anyway.

Quoted from IamGlenn Much better than watching Bore-inho's side play.

"Bore-inho" He he, permission to use that one.

City look great, hard to look past them or Chelsea for the title but it’s still very early days...Recycled vague opinion no.1 - Check!

Are Liverpool fans really happy with the Ballotelli signing or just pretending to be, looking on the bright side, groping for positives in his game? They're a glutton for punishment that lot given the way Suarez left the club. And Ballotelli is more crazy and less talented. It all comes across as Late Transfer Window Desperation Syndrome (LTWDS) I refer you to the similar case of Old Trafford and certain micro phone haired Belgian/Moroccan this time last year!

Ballotelli has serious potential and I’ve love to see come right for Liverpool and making the league more competitive but like Torres I’ve kinda lost faith in him, my expectations are low. Is 16 million really that cheap? He’s got youth on his side but oh so headless. His performance against Costa Rica and Uruguay were bordering on shameful, very disappointing, especially after starting so promisingly against England. He went to his dream club and only stayed a couple of seasons, you have to ask why. Is he considered too good for them? He looks like a guy that’s so easy to put off, to get inside his head, then either kicks out with reckless challenges or just loses interested and doesn’t want to know about it.

Again, as a neutral, I hope I’m wrong, hafta wait and see...Recycled vague opinion no.2 – Check!

Quoted from Colkurtz8 "Bore-inho" He he, permission to use that one. City look great, hard to look past them or Chelsea for the title but it’s still very early days...Recycled vague opinion no.1 - Check! Are Liverpool fans really happy with the Ballotelli signing or just pretending to be, looking on the bright side, groping for positives in his game? They're a glutton for punishment that lot given the way Suarez left the club. And Ballotelli is more crazy and less talented. It all comes across as Late Transfer Window Desperation Syndrome (LTWDS) I refer you to the similar case of Old Trafford and certain micro phone haired Belgian/Moroccan this time last year! Ballotelli has serious potential and I’ve love to see come right for Liverpool and making the league more competitive but like Torres I’ve kinda lost faith in him, my expectations are low. Is 16 million really that cheap? He’s got youth on his side but oh so headless. His performance against Costa Rica and Uruguay were bordering on shameful, very disappointing, especially after starting so promisingly against England. He went to his dream club and only stayed a couple of seasons, you have to ask why. Is he considered too good for them? He looks like a guy that’s so easy to put off, to get inside his head, then either kicks out with reckless challenges or just loses interested and doesn’t want to know about it. Again, as a neutral, I hope I’m wrong, hafta wait and see...Recycled vague opinion no.2 – Check!

Ha ha use away.
You bring up good points about Balotelli but as a Liverpool fan I'd say I am happy with the signing.
I'm not delusional though and I know there will be problems along the way but if he can produce the goals it doesn't really matter.
Rodgers said before tonight's game that Mario knows it's basically his last chance at a big club and he's determined to prove he's the real deal so hopefully that's a sign he's now ready to knuckle down and get on with his football.
I think for 16 million, it could turn out to be an absolute steal. I hope so anyway.

And Andrew, yep as a Liverpool fan I dislike Mourinho but there is no doubting his class as a manager. It's just his negative tactics and child like behaviour with the media that really grind my gears.

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on last nights United performance, Andrew. 4-0 to MK Dons is pretty horrible, even though it was a second team. I would of been pretty pissed if Spurs had just got tonked by a league one side and then my manager was signing autographs afterwards. He also said he didn't expect much from the kids, which would worry me as Fergie won the title with kids.

Wonder how long it'll take for the fans to fly a banner over Old Trafford this year, or whether they're gonna show LVG a bit more respect then they did Moyes.

Di Maria's signed though so at least you've got a world class player in the team now. I think he's a great player, was awesome for Madrid last year. Is he the answer to all the problems?

4:0 to the MK dons - you've got to be kidding. Bring back moyes

Re Liverpool at the nutcase...err ballotelli, my new favorite player. It's a big gamble, but, if he does work out for £16m that sounds good value. Can we tame him? Not sure about that.

Utd still had 5 internationals on against a 7th place league one side. But then again they had their "full side" on against Swansea and Sunderland lol... the mighty Burnley awaits.

Anyways looking forward to watching the Champions League draw tomorrow. .. excited all the big teams are in it.

Andrew, Scooby doo is on at the same time for all Utd fans

Mark

In fairness, a good episode of Scooby Doo is better than watching United at the moment..

Quoted from ArtyDoubleYou Would be interested to hear your thoughts on last nights United performance, Andrew. 4-0 to MK Dons is pretty horrible, even though it was a second team. I would of been pretty pissed if Spurs had just got tonked by a league one side and then my manager was signing autographs afterwards. He also said he didn't expect much from the kids, which would worry me as Fergie won the title with kids. Wonder how long it'll take for the fans to fly a banner over Old Trafford this year, or whether they're gonna show LVG a bit more respect then they did Moyes. Di Maria's signed though so at least you've got a world class player in the team now. I think he's a great player, was awesome for Madrid last year. Is he the answer to all the problems?

Let's get a few things straight:

1) A shambolic performance, but credit to MK Dons - they played well and deserved to win.
2) Moyes would've been gone by the end of January (at the very latest) at any other major club.
3) He was given plenty time, and the supporters were fully supportive. The minority flew that banner; he was given rapturous applause that day when he strode out. The fans were first class.
4) He would've been booed at clubs like Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal and given hell in a way he never was at United.
5) The only other club that can match United's fans is the only other English club that truly stands on the international stage with us, and that's Liverpool (as much as I hate them). That said, they've not got a leg to stand on with criticising us on Moyes after the Hodgson debacle. The natives were restless far sooner and made life for Hodge a lot more uncomfortable.
6) van Gaal is the right man for the job.
7) Di Maria is definitely not the answer to the current issues, but the transfer window is still open. It's looking very likely that Mr. Vidal will be joining us shortly. An additional defender and the squad has a totally different complexion.

Proper United fans know that it's a tough time, but we stand by our team. Personally, in a perverse way, I enjoy seeing everyone else get their knickers in a twist and throwing around the gags after years of seeing us win the lot, because when we rise back to where we belong, it'll be that much sweeter.

Zoinks!



Mark

You're right Andrew though we despised Hodgson especially when he started to slaughter the fans for not supporting him... not the smartest thing to do.

Mark

Quoted from Andrew 4) He would've been booed at clubs like Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal and given hell in a way he never was at United.

I disagree with Spurs being on that list. We pretty much always back our managers as we know Daniel Levy is the mental Bond villain behind the scenes. We booed some of the performances last season, but losing 5-0 at home to Liverpool deserves a booing, it's an unacceptable performance. It's the players who feel the wrath. Danny Rose is our Glen Johnson for example.

I remember a few years back when we were bottom of the league, 2 points after 8 games under Martin Jol. He found out during a game, as the fans did, that he was getting sacked. The whole stadium was on their feet singing the 'I love Martin Jol' song (to the theme of 'I love rock'n'roll). I'm still gutted about him getting sacked to this day.

Not many people I know wanted AVB out either, especially as it wasn't him buying the players, plus the fact fans know it takes time for that many players to gel together. Liverpool could have the same problems this year.

Like I say though, Daniel Levy is the guy most would like to see go. Personally I quite like him because he's always willing to splash his cash, he just doesn't give managers enough time to take us forward. I think we've had 10 managers in 12 years or something. The guys that joined last summer are now playing under their 3rd manager. That's insane.

As for United, if LVG doesn't finish above where you did last season, should he go too?

Quoted from ArtyDoubleYou I disagree with Spurs being on that list. We pretty much always back our managers as we know Daniel Levy is the mental Bond villain behind the scenes. We booed some of the performances last season, but losing 5-0 at home to Liverpool deserves a booing, it's an unacceptable performance. It's the players who feel the wrath. Danny Rose is our Glen Johnson for example. I remember a few years back when we were bottom of the league, 2 points after 8 games under Martin Jol. He found out during a game, as the fans did, that he was getting sacked. The whole stadium was on their feet singing the 'I love Martin Jol' song (to the theme of 'I love rock'n'roll). I'm still gutted about him getting sacked to this day. Not many people I know wanted AVB out either, especially as it wasn't him buying the players, plus the fact fans know it takes time for that many players to gel together. Liverpool could have the same problems this year. Like I say though, Daniel Levy is the guy most would like to see go. Personally I quite like him because he's always willing to splash his cash, he just doesn't give managers enough time to take us forward. I think we've had 10 managers in 12 years or something. The guys that joined last summer are now playing under their 3rd manager. That's insane. As for United, if LVG doesn't finish above where you did last season, should he go too?

I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, but there's a lot of wild 'analysis' going on right now. We're two games into the Premier League and have had a terrible performance in the League Cup. No disasters yet.

There's a tiny emergence of Moyes revisionism, which is staggering. Moyes took the champions to 7th. Do you think that would've happened under Fergie, Mourinho, LvG, Guardiola? Never. Moyes has to shoulder the blame for it as the manager. LvG is inheriting the mess that Moyes left, and that's what all this ridiculous media speculation is missing.

Agree on Levy. Uncle Fester needs to get booted out. Why your lot ever got rid of Redknapp I don't know. The current bloke is decent, though.