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Why would anyone want anyone to fail? I think you have totally misunderstood that part.
Well, let's back up the truck first. I don't give reviews that flame the writer, so all of this attention coming down on me today is pointless.
So far in this thread I've provided dos and don'ts that will decrease the flames others will surely direct to nubes - and for that I've been persecuted for, as if I was preventing someone else from the fun of correcting nubes after they've written some basic format errors. W? T? F?
I'm the bad guy here?! Really? Pfft.
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Encourage story tellers to tell stories. Just guide them in the format they're trying to tell their stories.
And I'm bad for guiding story tellers in the format BEFORE they make mistakes... ? I'm taking away the fun?
Since when has it been a good healthy thing for a "Newer, inexperienced writers who try to challenge themselves" to receive avoidable admonishments? How is that encouraging to their fledgling screenwriting?
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EXT. CAMPGROUND FIELD - DAY
Banner over two tables reads "WELCOME SCREENWRITERS! REVIEWS HERE"
At each table is a line of writers, a short line of younger
writers on the left, a long line of older writers on the right.
YOUNG WRITER, 20, shiny and hopeful, looks over at the long line
of the older writers. Whisper-yells to that line.
YOUNG WRITER
Hey! Why are you old guys all
standing in that long line?
OLDER WRITER, 50, comfy and peaceful, shares mixed glances and
smiles with his fellow older writers. Turns to talk.
OLDER WRITER
This is the line for ten beatings
on our reviews.
YOUNGER WRITER
What? Why do you want to get
ten beatings?!
Other older writers chuckle amongst themselves.
OLDER WRITER
I'm afraid you're in the line for
fifty beatings.
Older writers start sniggering and laughing.
Since when has it been a good healthy thing for a "Newer, inexperienced writers who try to challenge themselves" to receive avoidable admonishments? How is that encouraging to their fledgling screenwriting?
Well, going back to that first OWC that I entered in -06, I might not have entered anything if someone had posted the criteria for entering the way you have in this OWC...
A) You dodged my question. B) Quote me on your statements, either one. Please. Go find it.
None of those questions relate to the conversation. They are "Help me, I'm drowning" cards you decided to pick out.
You are of weak character. That's evident.
The fact you can't even admit you're not "as low as some of these writers" but " I can't write as good as them" is some issue you have to come to terms with. " I'll be a producer and show them all!" ... Yeah. You're pretty sad. Pathetic.
And, I'm not being mean. I just don't like people like you that screw writers over just to forge their way ahead. But you're not even at that point. You're like an aimless zombie. The sooner you realize that, the better. How's that for fair criticism?
Well, going back to that first OWC that I entered in -06, I might not have entered anything if someone had posted the criteria for entering the way you have in this OWC...
So... what I've posted is erroneous or too difficult to achieve? Industry standard stuff?
The thing is I don't see any newbs following this thread. You could argue they're reading it and haven't signed up yet, but I doubt it very much.
I found the discussion board on SS purely by accident from the home page when I was looking for a pro-screenplay, which I think quite a few people do. For the most part I believe Newbs likewise just happen across the OWC and, like I said before, they think ooh, I'll have a go at this.
Most of us recognize newb scripts when we read them - the capable script writers are obvious. When reading scripts that are clearly newb efforts we should go easy with 'constructive criticism' - not just say, this is shit, I'm out. If you think the latter (bagging it out) is even remotely helpful you're misguided and only blowing your own trumpet.
As for now don't you all think we should get back to some enthusiasm re what's just around the corner? I do.
So... what I've posted is erroneous or too difficult to achieve? Industry standard stuff?
No. Not at all....but there might be some great new storytellers out there that just haven't got the hang of industry standards yet and we don't want to scare them away.
Who have I helped today? I helped many people today and they wont even know it and I don't expect a thanks for it. I also helped someone with something we are working on together and I think we will make a great film out of it.
You want "Thanks" all the time. That's you. You need to be thanked. I'm pretty sure you're verging on sociopath status...
" Look at what I've done for you all! All my graphs! All my studies! Look at how amazing I am!" Yeah... Great.
A producer that only works with one week scripts. (why?). Has never produced anything before. Thinks everyone needs to write about his small budget shithole. Talks crap constantly. Yeah... this guy, is gold.
I can't wait for the OWC so I can work with RayW!!! OMG!!!! This guy opens so many dooors!!! Yup. Not gonna happen. You might be well off telling writers to wake up and stop dreaming, but RayW, you need to do the same.
No. Not at all....but there might be some great new storytellers out there that just haven't got the hang of industry standards yet and we don't want to scare them away.
Gah!
It takes an equal amount of effort to write a OWC right as it does wrong and will receive only a fifth of the beatings when reviews come out.
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EXT. CAMPGROUND FIELD - DAY
Banner over two tables reads "WELCOME SCREENWRITERS! REVIEWS HERE"
At each table is a line of writers, a short line of younger
writers on the left, a long line of older writers on the right.
YOUNG WRITER, 20, shiny and hopeful, looks over at the long line
of the older writers. Whisper-yells to that line.
YOUNG WRITER
Hey! Why are you old guys all
standing in that long line?
OLDER WRITER, 50, comfy and peaceful, shares mixed glances and
smiles with his fellow older writers. Turns to talk.
OLDER WRITER
This is the line for ten beatings
on our reviews.
YOUNGER WRITER
What? Why do you want to get
ten beatings?!
Other older writers chuckle amongst themselves.
OLDER WRITER
I'm afraid you're in the line for
fifty beatings.
Older writers start sniggering and laughing.
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...... I had a comment, but I'm a mod now.
Oh, I assure you I've never not payed attention to that and will always respect that special power as an aside to the respect that I have have for YOU personally.
I'll just go start deleting stuff.
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Let's just ease up. This is supposed to be fun. I'm looking forward to your end of the OWC analytics. I always read those...and appreciate them.
Yeah, well... Somehow what started as Phil telling peeps to not leave sh!t reviews has become perverted into "Ray's freaking out the whole event" (mutter, mumble something about helping people before they make mistakes.)
And you're going to be sorely disappointed. I'm taking this OWC off, and will be pumping out the same review approach as everyone else. No analytics this OWC. Just... whatever I think of.
And they'll be nice, useful, like they most always are anyway.
Sorry.
So, let's go run, skip, and hop buck nekid down to the submission line! LET THOSE FREAK FLAGS FLY, PEOPLE!!!
Truth is, while bad format is noticeable it doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is sentences that don’t make sense, confused visuals that make it hard to picture anything, and dialogue that’s so ‘off the nose’ it has ceased meaning anything at all.
So unless you’ve got a link for all that, you’re not going to save anyone from anything. The newbies will likely have a lot of issues even if they nail the format. You can’t explain the mechanics of a bike to a child and expect them not to fall down the first time they try to peddle it. Of course they’re going to fall. All Phil’s saying is, we should try our best not to laugh.
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