So, we've laid another one to rest. This one was more uncontrolled and unmoderated than some of the previous ones. It did go quite a bit longer, but was it worthwhile? Did anyone get anything out of it? Was it good that there was no pause between the announcement and the availability of the thread? How about the lack of dealing with a topic per day? Here's where we take off our writers' caps and get a little business-like.

What worked and what didn't?

For myself, I found that some were asking about where the conversation was going and there seemed to be some confusion as to where we were in it. Once a topic was started, it flowed fine, but as soon as a lull was hit, no one knew where to go next.

As per previous scripts, as soon as the author chimed in, the conversation completely died, so that held true to form.

Personally, I think the response time for the writer needs to be shortened, which would probably go a long way in keeping the discussion going.

In this one, there were over a hundred responses by the time I was able to chime, and I just wasn't able to go back and comment on everything that I had really wanted to.

I think by cutting it to say, three days, there's a fair amount of feedback in place and the author is able to catch up with it all.  Another option would be to have three days, give the author a day to respond, then another three days.

I haven't been as involved with the script clubs as I would like but they are a really good idea.

One suggestion I have is to seperate the main points that are going to be discussed into seperate threads. So you could have 'Characters', 'Plot', 'First Impression' etc completely seperate from each other. That way it's much easier to see where people are at, topic-wise. Also, it doesn't close off a particular topic that some reviewers might want to comment on.

The only script club I took part in was Cornetto's 'Demon Beach' I think, and the main reason I didn't comment more was because by the time I'd checked the site again the discussion had moved onto a different topic than what I was discussing.

Not sure if this would take up too much space, but just think it would be easier to navigate when trying to be as in depth with a script as these script clubs do.

I liked this one.  I like the more free flowing, unstructured discussions.  I also agree with Shelton that it might help to let the wrter get involved a little earlier.

Yeah, I agree with Ste - Make a sub-forum for the Script Clubs... I read most of the discussion in the thread, but unfortunatly didn't get a time to comment on the script, with college exams, and all. I will definitely participate in the next one, but I did notice that the main thread soon becomes cluttered, very big, and hard to distinguish what pages feature discussions on the structure, what pages discuss characters etc... I definitely think it would be a good idea to have a sub-forum, and have seperate threads for each discussion point.

But from the comments that I read, it seems like a pretty good Script Club...

Kind of like what Don has done with the OWC. One thread for the script club. You click on it and it takes you to another page with different threads for different topics.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of Pia.

I don't think it was good that there was no announcement before the availability of the thread.

For me, I tend to note things down and prepare if I plan to do something ahead of time. If I know I've got roughly a week to read something and make notes and then the "Are You Ready to Rumble?" thread asking if people are ready, and if not, better get ready 'cause we're starting tomorrow happens, it's a very current heads up and I don't know-- not that I need it, but I'd say it's a psychological "Ready... set..." before we actually"Go".

Plus, if anyone missed the talk a week earlier, then it's a nice flag for them.

I'm glad that there was some freedom in this last one. There's nothing wrong with saying, "OK, now we're going to discuss character, now plot... etc..." The thing is, that sometimes things are so very related, as plot and character should be, that it even might be better to discuss them at the same time. Or, maybe the discussion really prompts something off the topic, but is otherwise very relevant at that particular time.

There were some details in this discussion that have made things I knew, even more clear. One example is the conversation concerning character intros. Mike did a fine job, but it has me thinking that character intros are often overlooked or made cheaply.

It was a joke in the script about the eye patch, but we do cheapen our work by such add ons that are put there only as an ornament. Character introductions can be boring. This script of Mike's is not boring. (To me and some others) The question of: Why isn't it boring to me? serves me well because it's this kind of answer that helps me to write.

Obviously, I can't write something that everyone likes. I can however learn to write things that "some" people will like and to do that, I need to know what I like. This is important for everyone.

When Mike was finished with this script, he liked it. He had to or he wouldn't have opened it up to the world. This "like" is something we need to define personally and then see where that fits into a niche within a greater audience.

So then, this: You like something? Yeah? Why? Answer that question and apply it to your own writing.

Now I knew that before, but I feel that it's something that stands out in front and waves at me now.

Sandra

While I can see the benefit of multiple threads, one for each topic, I would think that would be really daunting to try and keep up with. Yes, the one thread can get cluttered, and perhaps a subdivision is warranted, but to have five or six threads to sort through seems a bit much to me. I know I would get overwhelmed in a short order.

The most I could see a breakdown for is an overview, plot, and character, but much beyond 3 would get unwieldy, I would think. It's not a bad idea, if you think that would help us keep track of the discussions better. It might also allow the instant start we did this time, but keep those discussions more narrow.

Also, the OWC tends to get it's own board and multiple threads because of the separate scripts under that one topic. The Script Club would be a much narrower field of discussion, and while its own board is something we could surely discuss with  Don, I wouldn't see us needing one board per discussion since one board alone would be enough since we only discuss one at a time, and there's usually at least a month between them. If we could split it onto a different board, then one would be it, in my opinion.

Interesting feedback so far. Keep it coming.

I agree, George that multiple boards or whatever we're calling them, would be too much, and too hard to navigate through.

The way this works best is when we have people who check in at least once a day, and hopefully even more.  When you miss even 1 day, as Ste was saying, you've pretty much missed out on quite alot of talk, and it's sometimes hard to get back in.

I do think it would help if the author got to chime in evey 2-3 days, and respond to comments that have come up for a day.  Then, we could go back into the discussion.  I think that would help and also give the author a real chance to get involved before everything just dies.

I persoanlly like more of a structured format, because without it, we seem to get off track quite easily and never hit certain subjects that we probably should.

I think this script club went well and I think the fact that it went so long gave people a chance to digest the discussion enough to really provide thoughtful feedback to Mike. I don't think that the author should chime in any earlier though. The author should chime in once the comments have become a trickle.  That might be three days, it might be a week. In this case I think Mike stepped in at just the right time.  If we were doing a produced script the author wouldn't even be stepping in - so it's not really about the author commenting on his own work, is it?

I think the fact that this was going to be less moderated should have been made clearer at the start.  The rules really need to be laid out.  I was expecting the moderator to move things along and I even held up some of my comments because I wasn't sure we were on to the topic yet.

That's it.  I think this one was a very good one.  

I don't want the authors to chime in too early at all. I understand that it can maybe be a lot to want to respond to, but I also think the script club comments will stay more honest if the author stays away... There is the regular script thread to give normal feedback where the writer can respond. I think it's important the discussion stay as honest as possible.

I felt bad about not really contributing much really after voting for the script, and then writing a single long post to try and compensate for a lack of effort. Not really helpful but could not be helped really.

Maybe in future we could start on a Friday? There was such a large amount of posts during the first few days that by the time the weekend came it did, as Mike said, seemed to have lost a little steam. But if course there are no doubt people who will find it easier to contribute during the week than the weekend so I don't really know if that would be helpful or not. In that past we have always had a week's notice that it is starting so we have time to read the script before discussions begin. I think that is certainly the best way.

I personally do prefer the more structured format but like many have said this one seemed to work out okay so you did do a great job again.

The reason I personally prefer it being during the week is because I am on the computer more during the week than the weekend. I still pop in on the weekend (obviously), but it's fewer and further between than on the weekdays when I typically look at everything first thing in the morning and ten every few hours to see what's changed. This is the first (and probably only) time I'll look in it over the weekend. So the mod says during the week. Sorry.

I see a fairly mixed bag when it comes to structure of the talk. Here's my thought on that based on the way this went and the way previous ones have gone. We can hit the major talking points daily, but it is no crime if you step outside of them provided the tangent is relevant to where you started.

For instance, we've historically done first impressions first, but if your first impression was that it didn't work for you because of the structure, then we could totally talk about the structure on day one while everyone else is still giving their first impressions, and still hit the structure topic whenever it "officially" comes up. That may be a good way to satisfy both persuasions.

Another big question I had for this time was how quickly the discussion kicked off. Before, we'd given a week to read, and then we would discuss. This time, we discussed the script we would read, and then I posted the thread and said "go" on day one without any time inbetween.

Now, this may have worked because of the poll, which is another aspect I'd like some feedback on. Yes, it ended up rather pointless because we'd discussed the script for a week, and then voted even though the matter was 90% decided. In the future, the script discussion could simply be a slew of opinions, we could vote on Wednesday through Sunday, and then on Monday, the thread posted and go (since realistically, the votes would be mostly done by Saturday anyway...they were last time).

I think once we work out the kinks, it'll be better.

I thought everything ran pretty well with this.  There shouldn't be any real restrictions regarding time for this or that, or when and how often the author should chime in.  Ther next script discussed could have very different response results.


Phil

I don't see why it matters when the writer chimes in either. They shouldn't sway an opinion either way.

Maybe do the first impression, let the writer say something if he/she so chooses. Continue using the same formula until finished and it saves the writer from going "over a hundred responses by the time I was able to chime..."

I'm guessing the writer is looking at the thread closely so you wouldn't need to shut it down and wait.

Anyway what's next for the script club?

The writers chiming in sways the interpretations that people make.   I personally don't look at the script thread when I'm doing this - purposefully - to give my interpretation of what I read to the writer with out the interference of what they might have intended.  I would think the writer would welcome feedback on how people interpret what they write, without having to tell them what they meant by it.  

I agree 100%.

The scripts should be judged on their own without explanations otherwise we might as well just post comments in the regular script thread.

I hear what you're saying Michael, but I do think that it can help when one is "confused" or just doesn't get it, for whatever reason.  Many times, people read through a script more quickly than they should, and they miss many things that they wouldn't in a filmed medium.

And another thing to think about is that many of the readers we have in here, aren't actually even movie watchers...they're more into the written word, and don't actually "see" what's happening on the page the way an actual movie buff would..

I always have lots of questions for the writer, and I do my best to keep the conversation going after the fact, but no one else seems to care, and the thread dies a premature death.

We both know how difficult it is to respond to literally hundreds of posts after the fact.

I'm cool with whatever everyone agrees on, but I do believe there is merit letting the author chime in every now and then about things that may be misinterpreted, etc.

If one is confused, knowing that, is invaluable to the writer.  If more than one person is confused, that is priceless.  A writer won't know that if he corrects the first person.

I don't think that second statement is true.  I can only think of two readers who would consider themselves not movie watchers  and only one of them who wouldn't "see" what is happening on the page.

Once again, the script club isn't about the writer's response - it isn't even about feed back.  The writer's response and your feedback, correcting grammar, general reviews are for the the script thread - not the script club.  The script club is about reading a script and analysing it on a number of points - it is about the reader's interpretations of those written words - if that's different than what the writer intended then that is the writer's problem isn't it.

I can remind you again, if we were doing a produced script then we wouldn't have the writer chiming in at all.  

I think if we had seperate threads for each topic that would be good. Otherwise it becomes a mess. I know this was frowned upon a few posts back, but I like the idea.

You're definitely right, Michael, but I still think it's not a bad thing to get insight as a reader, also.  For instance, in a filmed version of a script, it is glaringly obvious what the tone is...what the feel is. In a written version, that's not always the case.

I can think of hundreds of examples of movies that totally work onscreen, but don't on paper (or don't work as well, at least).  And vice versa, I see hundreds of movies that don't work, but I can easily see where they would on paper, and why they were most likely greenlighted.

As for produced scripts, of course, there's no way to get any feedback from the writer, but if these discussions were going on before filming, I bet ya the finished product would be vastly different, and hopefully much better.  Yeah, I realize these things do go on in much more detail and by much more knowledgable minds (in theory ) already.  I just think it's kind of fun to get insight from the author's perspective.

Again, either way is fine by me.

Quoted from mcornetto I can remind you again, if we were doing a produced script then we wouldn't have the writer chiming in at all.

Ummm... yeah.

Quoted from Shelton Ummm... yeah.

Besides Mr. Shelton who was kind enough to chime in on his produced script...

Good point, Mike!  Funny...

Seriously though, didn't you wish you could have chimed in at various times to set things straight, so to speak?  Do you think it would have helped?

I think there's a lot to be said for letting the conversation without any intervention from the author.  I just think that time frame should be a little shorter.

I think if there would have been two blocks of three days each with one day's response time for me in the middle, I would have been able to touch on a lot more than I did.

As it is, I don't think it was as beneficial as it could have been.

Personally, I'm against having separate threads.  One thread is just simpler.

As for the author's input, what if they were allowed to chime in once the thread reached a certain number of pages?  Like 3?  Then they can chime in again later, after so many more pages.

What are we going to do next?

Produced? Unproduced?

I've got a pretty good selection of produced and in production scripts if you guys want to go that route.

Why don't we get a list together and have another poll?  

Quoted from mcornetto Why don't we get a list together and have another poll?

I thought you already agreed to do Joe vs. the Volcano?

I'm up for either as long as it' not an old unproduced script with some long ass thread with reviews...

Quoted from Shelton I thought you already agreed to do Joe vs. the Volcano?

Put it on the list.  If it wins the poll, then we do it.  I'm sure whatever I might have to say about it would be entertaining.

I don't care, happy to go along with whatever is chosen.

If you were to ask me for suggestions I would say something produced, something indie and something with a simple story - a small character driven film if you wish....

The Visitor
The Reader
Doubt
Frozen River
Let the Right One in - Pia could maybe translate for us on a Saturday morning call

Michael Clayton is a very good script which I think would make an excellent script club one day.

Maybe Slumdog Squarepants - but to be honest even I am a bit sick of that movie now.


Anyway, take them or leave them, I really am happy with whatever you guys want to do.

If we do another unproduced how about this Mike/Pia creation we have heard so much about?

Quoted from Grandma Bear I'm up for either as long as it' not an old unproduced script with some long ass thread with reviews...

Part of me wants to think this was directed at my tongue in cheek gag of throwing The Fempiror Chronicles on the last poll. I'm personally for doing a produced one as well to mix it up. We can totally throw out some titles and do a poll again to make a decision. I'll do what I did last time, but this time with the forethought of doing it and note every title mentioned (no matter how silly -- provided I can find the script (Joe Vs. The Volcano?)).

The other half of that question is when we want to do the next one. There seems to be a bit of excitement here, so we can move right ahead if everyone wants to.

It was not directed at you although your script falls into that territory.  I just don't see the point of it... If you know what I mean.


Btw, lots of people love Fempiror so don't take me wrong.

I'll throw out a possibility...Slabby's rew draft of "The Big Fade".  His first draft is definitely very well written and extremely powerful and moving. It's also so non cookie cutter structure, that it would make for good debate back and forth, I think.

Just a thought...

I say we put anything put forward on the list.

Angels & Demons...  

I think an unproduced one would be better than a produced one.  There will be more to cover with the unproduced one as it will, more likely, be problematic than its counterpart.


Phil

Have you done a period piece?  There's been a lot of contemporary settings from what I can see from skimming.  It's a whole different type of writing with a period piece and might open the discussion up to not only to how you write but how you research.

I don't know if there is anything unproduced here that meets that criteria.

In professionally unproduced there's the Michael Mann-John Logan untitled project.  It's Hollywood in the 1930s and centers around a fixer who keeps scandals from hitting the papers.  It's very much a writer's script and Logan is talented writer.  

On the produced side there is Ron Bass' biopic of Amelia Earhart.  AMELIA is good and Bass is one of the best writers when you're talking about technical structure.

There is Ann Biderman's PUBLIC ENEMIES which is about American gangsters John Dillinger, Baby Face Nelson and Pretty Boy Floyd on a crime spree in the 1930s.

In a shakier definition of "period" there's also Guy Ritchie's SHERLOCK HOLMES which looks and reads like everything that is currently selling in Hollywood.

I'm more for the produced variety, but I'll put anything on the poll to see where the consensus actually falls.

When is the poll going up?

John
I don't know. What d'you wanna do?

Fred
I don't know. What d'you wanna do?

John
I don't know. What d'you wanna do? ...

I think I agree with John. No, Fred. Anyways, if  we go with unproduced, I will say Steve's: The Big Fade otherwise I vote for The Memory Keeper's Daughter, but I don't know if the script is available online anywhere.

Sandra

Either "The Big Fade" or "Plan 9 from Outer Space".

Plan 9 From Outer Space? Is that even online somewhere?

And I figure I'll put up the poll on Wednesday to give time for all the suggestions to roll in and then let that roll until Sunday night again. I'll post the official thread on Monday with (hopefully) a link to whatever was selected.

Ok, I grabbed all the titles mentioned to see if I could find the scripts online through SS. I cannot find the following titles. If you suggested it and know where to find it, please post the link:

The Reader
Let the Right One In
Angels & Demons
Amelia
Public Enemies
Sherlock Holmes (Guy Ritchie)
The Memory Keeper's Daughter

I was able to find everything else.

I think to throw in my own suggestion, I'd go with the first winner of the top 5 oscars (picture, director, screenplay, actor, actress): It Happened One Night from 1934. That would be one to see what went right.

I doubt "Let the right one in" would be available and even if it is, it would be in Swedish, which would be okay with me.  

I think I have the other ones on the list though.

Thanks Sandra and Jeff for your votes. =)

I would really like to read Public Enemies tho

I know I'm not the most active guy here, and I haven't taken a part in here yet. I'll admit I haven't waded through the whole discussion, but I think it'd be interesting to see the club feedback a series. I think it'd be interesting to see multiple views on the episodes and how the characters develop over time. Question is, is that to much work for the feedbacker?

I just uploaded the Plan 9 From Outer Space Script:

http://h1.ripway.com/steven8/scripts/Plan%209%20from%20Outer%20Space.doc

That would be hilarious to do!  Oh my, that would be fun.  How horrendous is it, I wonder?

Good job Steven!!!!

Quoted from steven8 I just uploaded the Plan 9 From Outer Space Script: http://h1.ripway.com/steven8/scripts/Plan%209%20from%20Outer%20Space.doc

That's a transcript.

Definitely needs to be a screenplay... probably better if it's a more current one as well so we can study "why and how" it made it through to production or at least purchase.

Personally, I would love to study a Hitchcock screenplay.  Can we get North by Northwest?

I was actually kidding about Plan 9, but it would be quite funny to read and/or review it, as it is one of the worst movies of all time!

Quoted from mcornetto Personally, I would love to study a Hitchcock screenplay.  Can we get North by Northwest?

I have a scanned copy, but don't know how accurate it is. It says "shooting script" on it, but who knows...

http://swamptales.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/northbynorthwest.pdf

Quoted from Shelton That's a transcript.

Yeah, dang it!     But I wonder if we could tell the difference?

...it wasn't hard...  

That was a joke. . . .

Quoted from steven8 Yeah, dang it!     But I wonder if we could tell the difference?

No, I was just guessing.

It sure looks like a transcript.

This is where I got it: http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/criswell.txt

Quoted from Grandma Bear I have a scanned copy, but don't know how accurate it is. It says "shooting script" on it, but who knows... http://swamptales.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/northbynorthwest.pdf

Holy Jesus on the dashboard!!!  It's 180 pages!!!

Quoted from steven8 It sure looks like a transcript. This is where I got it: http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/criswell.txt

Yes, it's still a transcript.

Quoted from steven8 That was a joke. . . .

This is a joke...

A screenwriter receives a parrot for his
birthday. The bird is fully grown, with a bad
attitude and an even worse vocabulary. Every
other word out of his beak is an expletive. The
writer tries hard to change the parrot's
behavior: he says polite words, plays soft music,
anything he can think up, to set a good example.
Nothing works.


He yells at the bird, and the bird yells back. He
shakes the bird, but the bird just becomes more
angry and rude. Finally, in a moment of
desperation, he puts the parrot in the freezer.
For a few moments, he hears the bird squawk,
swear, and scream. Suddenly, there's a deathly
quiet. The guy's frightened, thinking he might
have injured the bird, so he quickly opens the
freezer door. The parrot calmly steps out onto
the writer's extended arm, and says, "I believe
I've offended you with my rude language and
behavior. I will endeavor at once to correct this
problem. I am truly sorry, and beg your
forgiveness."


The writer is astonished at the bird's dramatic
change in attitude, but before he can say
anything, the parrot continues, "Might I ask what
the chicken did?"

Quoted from Shelton Holy Jesus on the dashboard!!!  It's 180 pages!!!

A lot of the older scripts are looong. When I read RoseMary's Baby I think it was 160+ pages

Quoted from Shelton Holy Jesus on the dashboard!!!  It's 180 pages!!!

It's Hitchcock! Who cares how long it is?

Quoted from Grandma Bear A lot of the older scripts are looong. When I read RoseMary's Baby I think it was 160+ pages

Screw it, let's just do The Blue Brothers...50 odd pages.

MUSIC SEQUENCE

CAR CHASE

MUSIC SEQUENCE

JAKE
Four fried chickens and a coke.

MRS. MURPHY
You want chicken wings or chicken legs?

JAKE
Four fried chickens.  And a coke.

ELWOOD
And some dry white toast, please.

MRS. MURPHY
You want butter or jam?

ELWOOD
No ma'am.  Dry.

MRS. MURPHY
Y'all want anything to drink?

ELWOOD
No ma'am.

JAKE
Coke.

MUSIC SEQUENCE

CAR CHASE

MUSIC SEQUENCE

EPIC CAR CHASE!!!!

You centered the dialogue...

Quoted from Grandma Bear You centered the dialogue...

You should be lucky I did that.  I could have just as easily left it swingin' to the left.

I know I'm off the topic of fried chicken  , but The Memory Keeper's Daughter is a script animal that has not evolved on the internet that I can find.

It is an adaptation of a novel by Kim Edwards. The script was done by
John Pielmeier.


Sandra

X-Files Fight the Future:

http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the-x-files_production.html

we're just tossing anything up for ideas now?

Maybe we should discuss what we try to get out of the SC before we just suggest our faves....

Quoted from Grandma Bear we're just tossing anything up for ideas now? Maybe we should discuss what we try to get out of the SC before we just suggest our faves....

Sorry.  Over and out.

Quoted from Grandma Bear Maybe we should discuss what we try to get out of the SC before we just suggest our faves....

I'm just in it for the arguments.

It was nothing personal...

I just thought we need to decide what we try to achieve....

I think it would be better to have an unproduced script.  The produced ones have most (if not all) of the problems weeded out of them.  By reading these problems, and discusing them, we learn from them.  If we were to pick Slumdog Millionaire, the thread would probably be very short as all we would be saying would be positive comments.  We wouldn't learn as much from it.


Phil

Quoted from dogglebe I think it would be better to have an unproduced script.  The produced ones have most (if not all) of the problems weeded out of them.  By reading these problems, and discusing them, we learn from them.  If we were to pick Slumdog Millionaire, the thread would probably be very short as all we would be saying would be positive comments.  We wouldn't learn as much from it.

It would seem that way, but the top four scripts in regards to posts have been produced ones, and they weren't entirely positive.

I seem to remember going down this road before...

I think everyone knows where I stand, I prefer produced scripts as I like the discussions around what made the script sell in the first place as well as pulling apart the writing.

I don't think it matters one bit whether we all love a script or not, we are not here to review it we are here to figure out how we can learn from it. Or at least that is my view on the Script Club.

I know we all want different things from this, that is part of its appeal. I am looking to gain more of an understanding of what makes a good script tick, I find that much easier to do with a produced script that I happen to like. Other may have other reasons for joining in,  I think that is why we mix it up a bit, it seems to work well from my view anyway.

I actually found plenty of problems in Frozen River.  At least I thought they were problems, so I'd have plenty to say.  Which is a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you look at it.

With a Hitchcock script on the other hand, I could see where it would be more difficult to find faults.

Quoted from dogglebe If we were to pick Slumdog Millionaire, the thread would probably be very short as all we would be saying would be positive comments.  We wouldn't learn as much from it.

I can tell you haven’t participated in a Script Club with a produced script before. It's a nightmare. You get people who hate Hollywood who want to bash the script. Sometimes when they haven’t even read it. The produced ones have been the ones where I’ve learned the most. By a long shot.


Breanne

I would say the produced discussions are where I learn the least because there a lots of people that feel it is sacrilege to comment on how a produced film can be changed and there tends to be a lot of speculation about the business end of things - which isn't where my interest lies.  However the produced discussions seem to have a livelier dynamic and therefore they are more fun to participate in than the unproduced ones.  

There's probably an even mix of those who prefer produced over unproduced as much as those who like them both equally. You can't please everyone all the time.

I'm of the middle of the road persuasion since the unproduced shows us how others write and allows us to sharpen our review skills. Produced does show us a lot of the business side and shows us why a script was chosen to be produced despite its problems.

This is something to consider when you select which script in the upcoming poll. Last call for suggestions as I'll put it up around noon. Here's what I have so far (including those that are considered jokes):

The Visitor
The Reader
Doubt
Frozen River
Michael Clayton
Slumdog Millionaire
The Big Fade
Angels & Demons
Amelia
Public Enemies
Plan 9 From Outer Space
Joe vs. The Volcano
It Happened One Night
North by Northwest
X-Files Fight the Future

What else? Anything? Yes, it includes everything, but as Pia suggests, you should consider what we're going for with the Script Club before making a decision.

What I meant about considering what we vote for is that older scripts even though they might have excellent stories and the films were fantastic, the style they were written in is usually pretty far from what is considered ideal today. In other words, they might be long and tedious reads for some as well as not providing a sense of how it should be done. Those old scripts weren't exactly written for readers...

Quoted from Grandma Bear What I meant about considering what we vote for is that older scripts even though they might have excellent stories and the films were fantastic, the style they were written in is usually pretty far from what is considered ideal today. In other words, they might be long and tedious reads for some as well as not providing a sense of how it should be done. Those old scripts weren't exactly written for readers...

This is important when it comes to novels too. Even though we might read and enjoy Great Expectations, it's a completely different style than the writing of today. If we were to write that way now, it might generate an audience, but also a lot of sideways glances.

Regarding the SC, I learn from both produced and unproduced and neither is exclusive from a learning standpoint. I don't think a person will learn to write well by reading mearly badly written works. What have they to compare with? If they read works they truly enjoy, then they will have something they can compare it with when it comes to reading unproduced works and when analyzing their own troubled WIP.

I actually like studying something that I typically wouldn't choose. Old or new, it doesn't matter. It opens a whole new world to me. And because I'm usually reading the script from a completely fresh perspective, it makes it perfect to follow up with the movie and compare the two.

What do I get from the script club? Lots of excellent commentary on the work itself being studied and also the business side of things.

I think I get something new and unexpected each time. At least that's the way it's been so far.

Sandra

Dang, I made the list? haha.  Well George, did you even find the Public Enemies script?  =/

Nope. But Pia said she had most of them, so I made the assumption. I imagine she has Angels & Demons, because she suggested it, but I haven't found Public Enemies, Amelia, or The Reader (which we have a link for, but it's currently broken). I was about to make up the poll, and I guess I should leave those off after all.

I do not have Public Enemies, but could probably get it. I do have the others though, but might feel hesitant to post a link to A&D... Don't want to get in trouble by posting it on the web so it would be e-mail only unless someone else wants to make it public...

If it takes top honors, we'll figure out a way. Probably PMing it around or something.

I'm d for Public Enemies.

I thought Plan 9 was just a transcript....
Are you sure we want to do that one?

I liked GM's idea and voted for Michael Clayton.  

Here's a link to the New Yorker article on Tony Gilroy, to whip everyone into a Michael Clayton fervor!

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/16/090316fa_fact_max

Does anyone remember fervor?

Yeah Michael Clayton was an awesome movie.

I've got Public Enemies if it ends up winning the vote.

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TITLE: SEPTEMBER 26, 1933.

EXT. BRICK STREETS OF MICHIGAN CITY, INDIANA - A BROWN PONTIAC

is parked at the curb.  It waits.

INT. PONTIAC - "RED" HAMILTON (34)

looks at his watch. With his meticulously parted red hair, he might be a bank president. It's 6:55 a.m.

HAMILTON
Time.

Thirty year old JOHN HERBERT DILLINGER is in the backseat.  He nods.  His arms are behind him.  We don't know why.  Red starts the car and drives forward.

Quoted from Grandma Bear I thought Plan 9 was just a transcript.... Are you sure we want to do that one?

I'm sure we don't, but Script Club is more about the story and the writing than it is the format. I'm also showing that fair treatment is given to every suggestion. I just hope people don't overwhelmingly vote for it.

I'll have to add Public Enemies, since Lakewood has it.

awesome.  I voted for Public Enemies.  want to read it.

Please...no...not Michael Clayton!  That was such an incredibly dull, boring movie.  I just don't understand why so mnay liked it an thought it was such a great script.

As for Plan 9, I was totally kidding...take it off!!!!!

Sorry but I have voted for Michael Clayton.

I actually thought the produced ones we have done so far have been pretty crap, especially the last one. I for one would enjoy doing some with a little more intelligence in it. Although the voting will dictate that anyway.

I would like to state that if Angels and Demons wins I will film myself crying and put on YouTube. It brings back far too many bad memories. The book was awful, I threw it in the bin halfway through And the Da Vinvi Code is easily one of my least favorite Movies of the last 10 years, it was excruciating to sit through.

I was thinking of writing a sequel...

ROBERT
We need to figure out the clue.

CHICK
It says look to the second in Paris

ROBERT
The second in Paris.....Wait, I have it!

CHICK
What is it Robert?

ROBERT
A!! it is the second letter in Paris, what does it stand for?

CHICK
Apple?

ROBERT
Yes, indeed. And where do Apple's grow?

CHICK
On Trees?

ROBERT
YES! And what is like a tree?

CHICK
A Bush maybe?

ROBERT
You got it!! A Bush, the clue is hidden inside....

CHICK
Go on, don't keep me waiting.

ROBERT
The clue is hidden inside a record shop in Detroit!

CHICK
Huh?