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Posted: June 2nd, 2009, 7:40pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from James McClung
I think the best ambiguous ending I've seen is the ending of The Wrestler.


Hmm....I disagree, James.  I don't think there was any doubt how that came out.

I think it was one of these:


Quoted from alffy
When the outcome is obvious, I think it's fine to leave it out...it can have a stronger and more lasting impact.


I think everybody knew what was coming.  You just convinced your friend he was wrong haha.  You must be very persuasive when discussing film.

But with a predetermined conclusion, we instead went out on an image of the man doing what he loved best...the only way he knew how.  As triumphant as he could possibly ever be at that point.  Why show the rest?  I loved that film.


All-time worst, horrible, crappy ambiguous ending?

Hands down -- The Sopranos finale.


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Quoted from bert


All-time worst, horrible, crappy ambiguous ending?

Hands down -- The Sopranos finale.


For some reason, you said Sopranos and I thought of Seinfeld. God only knows why.

I HATED the finale. But I loved the series.

Jail. What the heck was that about. Jail.





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I loved the Sopranos finale, Bert!

I think theres so much going on in that whole last few minutes.

Let's discuss
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I would rather of had Tony reclining back on a beach chair puffing on a cigar and just giving us (the camera) that distant, empty look of his, but...

They went with the "you don't even hear it when it happens" angle, which they hammered into our skulls as much as they could.  Remember the flashback of that dialogue?  Sopranos never does flashbacks. lol
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Slabby:  If you look in the TV/Movie Reviews thread, you will find an exhaustive discussion of the Sopranos finale that took place when it was fresh -- we probably should not drag it out on this thread.

The last I will say here on that particular topic is that -- for my money, anyways -- they were cowards with the finale, simply leaving things open for a movie down the road.


EDIT:  http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-movie/m-1181519663/

Here is that thread.  Turns out I started the thread -- I had forgotten -- I must have been pissed haha.


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Ok, we shall move on to other endings then.

I will see you in the other thread and I expect to hear your retorts! haha
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Ambiguity is fine as long as you are clear on what you are not clear on.

A crappy fortune cookie.

I really like ambiguity: Was he really dead or was he a vampire? What happened after they rode off in the car? I like imagination not connect the dots.

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I am not a big fan of ambiguous endings, except the X-Files.


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Quoted from bert
All-time worst, horrible, crappy ambiguous ending?

Hands down -- The Sopranos finale.

Come on, Bert, that's probably the best ambiguous ending ever. It ranks up there with The Thing and Blade Runner.

I think Jeff hit the nail dead on in his previous post. When you finish a movie with an ambiguous ending you should be "torn" between a few CLEAR alternatives and not scratching your head going: "What the fuck just happened?". There's a fine line between ambiguous endings and plotholes.


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Quoted from Shelton
Marty, my favorite film of all time, has a somewhat ambiguous ending where it ends with....

SPOILER


Marty calling Clara on the phone, after pretty much listening to everyone around him and brushing her off the night before.  You never really figure out what happens between them, but you're still left with a positive feeling nonetheless.

END SPOILER

I just noticed that the entire film is available on YouTube.  I've embedded the first part below, which leads to the others.  I can't recommend this film enough, and even more so now that it's available for free online.



Just finished watching this.  Thanks for the tip.  That is a GREAT movie.  What a great movie.  You just know she didn't blow him off because he was a jerk.  You just know they met and went out again.  Great movie.


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Quoted from steven8


Just finished watching this.  Thanks for the tip.  That is a GREAT movie.  What a great movie.  You just know she didn't blow him off because he was a jerk.  You just know they met and went out again.  Great movie.


That's always been my theory too, and I think it's pretty heavily slanted that way, but I could see how people may imagine it going another way too.

I'm not sure if it's included in that version or not since it's not on the dvd, but there's a deleted scene where Clara talks to her parents after Marty brings her home from the Stardust Ballroom.  I've only seen it on TV broadcasts, but I think it adds an additional element to things.



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Quoted from Shelton


I'm not sure if it's included in that version or not since it's not on the dvd, but there's a deleted scene where Clara talks to her parents after Marty brings her home from the Stardust Ballroom.  I've only seen it on TV broadcasts, but I think it adds an additional element to things.



It's cut from this version, as this is ripped from the DVD.  Viewers talked about it in the comments section, and I certainly see how it is something which should have been left in.  I can't imagine, with the amount of available space on a DVD, why they would have cut out that scene.


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