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Posted: July 21st, 2009, 9:38pm Report to Moderator
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me, I have not read the scripts you have mentioned yet, but am planning to. I currently am trying to write my second script at the moment. I have read everyone's comments (both negative and positive) and have taken them into consideration.

I will most likely read the scripts mentioned earlier, tomorrow, because I really want to get as much done with my second script as possible tonight and the rest of the weekend.
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Posted: July 21st, 2009, 9:39pm Report to Moderator
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Which scripts were they, Pia?


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Send me what you have, usaking, and i will try to help you out, pal.
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No doubt most of the scripts you have read are shooting scripts or transcripts posted on the web. Not original spec scripts.

And thereby lies the difference.

First of all there are very few rules when writing a script but there are many guide lines. They are not and have not been created to make it easier for beginners. Producers don’t care how long you have been writing what they do care about is if you can write.

And an economy of words is an indication to the skills of the writer.

Writing short action sequences is easy if you think in camera movements, shots or angles but obviously don’t include camera directions as such, in a spec script.

Example a fight scene from my screenplay “Recompense”

“Oneshot watches Hardman #1’s approach in the mirror.

Hardman #1 is annoyed at not getting respect and his face show it.  He puts his left hand on Oneshot’s left shoulder and begins to thrust the knife forward with his right.

Oneshot ducks and turns in a flash as he pushes the hand with the blade away with his left hand, he punches
Hardman #1 in the throat with his right fist.

Hardman #1 collapses.  Hardman #2 with a knife in his right hand rushes from the washroom door toward Oneshot.  He lurches at his victim.

Oneshot twists his body so that the blade misses, then with both hands he grabs the assailant’s right wrist and wrenches it backwards.  

Hardman #2’s ELBOW SNAPS in a loud CRACK as Oneshot bends it backwards, the blade hits the floor.”

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I’ve written the action as it would be choreographed and in a way hopefully indicating the visual movements that need to be considered when filming.

Think visually then you will write visually.


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Posted: July 29th, 2009, 1:07pm Report to Moderator
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Sorry, Ron, but your example is pretty poorly written, and is not a good example of "economy of words", in any way.

How many times do you use "right hand", "left hand", etc.?  WAY TOO MANY!  This is way too detailed. No reader cares for this level of detail, and most won't continue.

Another issue is the lack of character's names. "Hardman #1" and "Hardman #2" aren't going to cut it very often.

Don't mean to be an ass, but your example isn't going to help anyone.

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Quoted from Ron Aberdeen
No doubt most of the scripts you have read are shooting scripts or transcripts posted on the web. Not original spec scripts.

And thereby lies the difference.

First of all there are very few rules when writing a script but there are many guide lines. They are not and have not been created to make it easier for beginners. Producers don’t care how long you have been writing what they do care about is if you can write.

And an economy of words is an indication to the skills of the writer.

Writing short action sequences is easy if you think in camera movements, shots or angles but obviously don’t include camera directions as such, in a spec script.

Example a fight scene from my screenplay “Recompense”

“Oneshot watches Hardman #1’s approach in the mirror.

Hardman #1 is annoyed at not getting respect and his face show it.  He puts his left hand on Oneshot’s left shoulder and begins to thrust the knife forward with his right.

Oneshot ducks and turns in a flash as he pushes the hand with the blade away with his left hand, he punches
Hardman #1 in the throat with his right fist.

Hardman #1 collapses.  Hardman #2 with a knife in his right hand rushes from the washroom door toward Oneshot.  He lurches at his victim.

Oneshot twists his body so that the blade misses, then with both hands he grabs the assailant’s right wrist and wrenches it backwards.  

Hardman #2’s ELBOW SNAPS in a loud CRACK as Oneshot bends it backwards, the blade hits the floor.”

Copyright © Ron Aberdeen


I’ve written the action as it would be choreographed and in a way hopefully indicating the visual movements that need to be considered when filming.

Think visually then you will write visually.


Triggerstreet legend Ron Aberdeen.

Welcome aboard.
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And how does one "begin to thrust a knife forward"? Is he standing there thinking, "I'm sooo gonna stab this bastard, like, really soon. I'm not doing it now, I'm beginning to but I'm not quite there yet. Aw fuck, he gonna find out I'm beginning to stab him and then he's gonna turn around and break my fucking elbow. Shit. Dammit."?

I thought the "Copyright © Ron Aberdeen" was cute though.


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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
Triggerstreet legend Ron Aberdeen.Welcome aboard.

Dammit, he's a legend? I better watch my mouth then.



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Dammit, he's a legend? I better watch my mouth then.



He seems to have taken some heat for just trying to help. You are essentially really concerned about his use of two redundant words ("begins to" and that's a matter of opinion), and Dreamscale seems very concerned that a couple of random goons who are just there for the body count, don't have names.

His example is a fair one. You can have as many lines of description as you want if its moving the story along properly.
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Shelton scratches his balls.


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His example is a fair one.

Which is also a matter of opinion.



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It's weird, I cracked open Mike Judge's latest screenplay yesterday ("Extract") and his formatting was atrocious.  The description paragraphs were sometimes 5+ sentences and it made for a very slow, grueling read.   "The rules" exist for a reason.  Just check out that script.
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Ron, if I am not mistaken, is a working writer and in contact with established peeps in Hollywood.

And Dreams continues to speak with authority about what is right and wrong, and how professional readers will react.
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Isn't this the 1, 647th thread about this type of thing just this year? Maybe I'm wrong and it's only the 1,646th...

Same arguments made every time.  


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It is about readability.  I have read specs by newcomers that have paragraphs that consistently exceed 4 lines.  Check out William Monahan's Tripoli.

I think the only rule is to keep the read compelling.

Although, IMO, 4 lines plus seems a tad long to describe a piece of scenery or character.
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