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The Dark Horse |
Posted: October 25th, 2018, 4:52am |
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Getting rid of day and night without using subheadings.
What does everyone think of this? I've seen it done a few times. At first, I thought it was jarring then I figured it's good for short scenes and saves from cluttering the page.
I saw… EXT. PARK - DAY INT. JOHN’S HOME EXT. PARK
Do any professionals do this?
I think it would great for quickly switching between inside and outside scenes.
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Mr.Ripley |
Posted: October 25th, 2018, 6:09am |
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It makes sense. Just depends on how it’s written. I will probably add before the scene heading that the following scenes will be in the day?
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Scar Tissue Films |
Posted: October 25th, 2018, 7:20am |
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I used to only change the time when the time actually changed, but on set the first AD always wants the scene numbers and scenes set as Day or Night for scheduling, so I don't bother anymore and put Day or Night on every scene. |
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FrankM |
Posted: October 25th, 2018, 9:16am |
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I used to only change the time when the time actually changed, but on set the first AD always wants the scene numbers and scenes set as Day or Night for scheduling, so I don't bother anymore and put Day or Night on every scene. |
This is a good point in that you should not assume your scenes will be shot in order, but that's more of a shotting script issue than a spec script issue. So long as the time of each scene is clear to a reader, it should probably be fine to drop time references in a spec script. |
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JohnI |
Posted: October 26th, 2018, 1:13pm |
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Don’t like it - reader might think it’s the next evening - in headings they should always be used - in sub headings not so much (continuous, moments later, etc.) |
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The Dark Horse |
Posted: October 27th, 2018, 11:10am |
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I might use it for short scenes.
I have a scene where a guy is chased over rooftops and we quickly cut to inside the house.
EXT. ROOFTOP - DAY INT. HOUSE EXT. ROOFTOP
I'll probably use it for that.
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eldave1 |
Posted: October 30th, 2018, 8:26pm |
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Not a fan of doing this. What possible point could it serve?
DAY and NIGHT are important to Directors
You save no space by not putting them on your slug. |
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Dreamscale |
Posted: October 30th, 2018, 9:34pm |
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If you're suing full Slugs, you need a time element - EVERY SINGLE TIME.
If you're using Mini Slugs (correctly), you don't need the time element, because Mini Slugs take place "continuously" within a certain structure...or if it's EXT, a certain place that has multiple locations to it, that the action moves into. |
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eldave1 |
Posted: October 30th, 2018, 10:42pm |
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Quoted from Dreamscale If you're suing full Slugs, you need a time element - EVERY SINGLE TIME.
If you're using Mini Slugs (correctly), you don't need the time element, because Mini Slugs take place "continuously" within a certain structure...or if it's EXT, a certain place that has multiple locations to it, that the action moves into. |
My response based on the example listed which were full slugs Minis could not have been used because he is going from into to ext |
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MarkRenshaw |
Posted: October 31st, 2018, 4:12am |
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Day and Night are important for production and should be used for the most part, but there are exceptions that the pros use.
One example is an intense, fast chase sequence where the scene changes frequently. Instead of saying DAY in several headings, in this instance you could use DAY in the first scene heading then cut it from the rest until the chase concludes. This also helps to reflect the pace. Maybe though these are classed as mini-slugs? Not sure. |
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eldave1 |
Posted: October 31st, 2018, 10:38am |
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Day and Night are important for production and should be used for the most part, but there are exceptions that the pros use.
One example is an intense, fast chase sequence where the scene changes frequently. Instead of saying DAY in several headings, in this instance you could use DAY in the first scene heading then cut it from the rest until the chase concludes. This also helps to reflect the pace. Maybe though these are classed as mini-slugs? Not sure. |
I would call them mini-slugs is the action is taken place in the same general exterior location. e.g.., EXT. 405 FREEWAY - NIGHT A car speeds - blah blah, then enters a EXIT RAMP Nearly missing blah blah ON THE STREET Pedestrians jump as the car, blah blah I would use full slugs if I was changing from INT to EXT or vice versa |
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Dreamscale |
Posted: October 31st, 2018, 11:11am |
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I would call them mini-slugs is the action is taken place in the same general exterior location |
Yep. Agreed. |
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The Dark Horse |
Posted: November 3rd, 2018, 12:36pm |
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EXT. FREEWAY - NIGHT INT. COFFEE SHOP People amazed. EXT. FREEWAY Car still speeding along..
Would that not be alright, then?
And yeah, admittedly, I did see this technique used in a script that had a quick back and forth between an outside car and a house. And the second one was a western that was more or less outside.
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eldave1 |
Posted: November 3rd, 2018, 12:53pm |
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EXT. FREEWAY - NIGHT INT. COFFEE SHOP People amazed. EXT. FREEWAY Car still speeding along..
Would that not be alright, then?
And yeah, admittedly, I did see this technique used in a script that had a quick back and forth between an outside car and a house. And the second one was a western that was more or less outside.
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IMO No |
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FrankM |
Posted: November 3rd, 2018, 3:23pm |
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If what’s going on in the two locations affect each other (two people talking on a phone, two cars involved in a chase, two ships firing cannons at one another) then the traditional solution is to use an INTERCUT, which is basically a compound main header followed by action in two or more places. You can specify the location jumps with shot headers (mini-slugs) or leave it up to the director.
If what’s happening at each location is basically independent, it would require full scene changes for each jump.
There’s a middle ground where someone describes something, and we cut to that something in real time, but the speaker isn’t affecting the something. This could be formatted either way depending on what seems more consistent with the surrounding script. Examples include the little girl in Waterworld saying her captors are in trouble as the hero is making his way to her, and the Fairy Godmother in Shrek 2 singing “I need a hero” while the hero is breaking into the castle.
Haven’t read either of those scripts, so not sure how they did it, and it’s unlikely you’d find the spec script version of either. |
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Dreamscale |
Posted: November 4th, 2018, 10:02pm |
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EXT. FREEWAY - NIGHT INT. COFFEE SHOP People amazed. EXT. FREEWAY Car still speeding along..
Would that not be alright, then?
And yeah, admittedly, I did see this technique used in a script that had a quick back and forth between an outside car and a house. And the second one was a western that was more or less outside.
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No...definitely not!!! |
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The Dark Horse |
Posted: November 5th, 2018, 3:51pm |
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Hmm.
I'm thinking perhaps just go with... EXT. FREEWAY - NIGHT INT. COFFEE SHOP - NIGHT EXT. FREEWAY - NIGHT
INT. CABIN - NIGHT EXT. CABIN - NIGHT INT. CABIN - NIGHT
It seems like the safest option ha Or as clear as it gets at least.
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FrankM |
Posted: November 6th, 2018, 1:00pm |
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The only time I would get rid of the time references is if everything was in a single day or single night, and even then you might want to keep it around anyway to distinguish between CONTINUOUS, MOMENTS LATER and normal time jumps. |
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JohnI |
Posted: November 7th, 2018, 11:39am |
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eldave1 |
Posted: November 7th, 2018, 11:51am |
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Yes - read that long ago - a nice simple article |
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