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And the nominations are up!

Best Picture
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Frost/Nixon
Milk
The Reader
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Director
Danny Boyle - Slumdog Millionaire
Stephen Daldry - The Reader
David Fincher - The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Ron Howard - Frost/Nixon
Gus Van Sant - Milk

Best Actor
Richard Jenkins - The Visitor
Frank Langella - Frost/Nixon
Sean Penn - Milk
Brad Pitt - The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Mickey Rourke - The Wrestler

Best Actress
Anne Hathaway - Rachel Getting Married
Angelina Jolie - Changeling
Melissa Leo - Frozen River
Meryl Streep - Doubt
Kate Winslet - The Reader

Best Supporting Actress
Amy Adams - Doubt
Penelope Cruz - Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Viola Davis - Doubt
Taraji P Henson - The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Marisa Tomei - The Wrestler

Best Supporting Actor
Josh Brolin - Milk
Robert Downey Jr - Tropic Thunder
Philip Seymour Hoffman - Doubt
Heath Ledger - The Dark Knight
Michael Shannon - Revolutionary Road

Best Foreign Language Film
Revanche - Austria
The Class - France
The Baader Meinhof Complex - Germany
Departures - Japan
Waltz With Bashir - Israel

Best Animated Feature Film
Bolt
Kung Fu Panda
Wall-E

Best Adapted Screenplay
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Doubt
Frost/Nixon
The Reader
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Original Screenplay
Happy-Go-Lucky
Milk
Wall-E
In Bruges
Frozen River

No place for The Dark Knight or WALL-E in Best Picture...oh well.

Overall, there are 13 nominations for Benjamin Button, 10 for Slumdog Millionare, and 8 for The Dark Knight and Milk.

The Dark Knight got nominations for Art Direction, Cinematography, Editing, Make-up, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing and Visual Effects, as well as Ledger's Best Supporting Actor. WALL-E got Best Score, Best Original Song, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing as well as the 2 in the above list. And the short, Presto, is up for best animated short!

Let the winner predictions begin!


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Oh these are bad...The Reader over The Dark Knight in Picture and Director?

The Reader at Rotten Tomatoes - 60%
The Reader at Metacritic - 58

The Dark Knight at Rotten Tomatoes - 94%
The Dark Knight at Metacritic - 82

I don't get it.

No Rachel Getting Married in screenplay...No Sally Hawkins...Two Slumdog songs over "The Wrestler"...

Slumdog is gonna sweep


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Hey guys, I will put by predictions in CAPS

Best Picture
THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON (even though The Dark Knight is really it for me)
Frost/Nixon
Milk
The Reader
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Director
DANNY BOYLE-SLUMDOG MILLIONARE
Stephen Daldry - The Reader
David Fincher - The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Ron Howard - Frost/Nixon
Gus Van Sant - Milk

Best Actor
Richard Jenkins - The Visitor
Frank Langella - Frost/Nixon
Sean Penn - Milk
Brad Pitt - The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
MICKEY ROURKE-THE WRESTLER

Best Actress
Anne Hathaway - Rachel Getting Married
ANGELINA JOLIE-CHANGELING
Melissa Leo - Frozen River
Meryl Streep - Doubt
Kate Winslet - The Reader

Best Supporting Actress
Amy Adams - Doubt
PENELOPE CRUZ-VICKY CRISTINA BARCELONA
Viola Davis - Doubt
Taraji P Henson - The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Marisa Tomei - The Wrestler

Best Supporting Actor
Josh Brolin - Milk
Robert Downey Jr - Tropic Thunder
Philip Seymour Hoffman - Doubt
HEATH LEDGER-THE DARK KNIGHT (Oh Yeah!!!)
Michael Shannon - Revolutionary Road

Best Foreign Language Film
Revanche - Austria
The Class - France
The Baader Meinhof Complex - Germany      NO VOTE HERE
Departures - Japan
Waltz With Bashir - Israel

Best Animated Feature Film
Bolt
KUNG FU PANDA
Wall-E

Best Adapted Screenplay
The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button
Doubt
FROST/NIXON
The Reader
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Original Screenplay
Happy-Go-Lucky
Milk
WALL-E
In Bruges
Frozen River


Isle 10- A series I'm currently writing with my friend Adam and it will go into production soon. Think The Office meets 10 Items or Less.

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Robert Downey Jr was nominated?  I didn't even think of him, though his performance was incredible.

I still don't think Ledger will win.  They'll give him some special award and give the Oscar to someone else.

You really can't rate Slumdog Millionaire after seeing only a part of it.  It was an incredible movie.



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Quoted from directoboy12
Two Slumdog songs over "The Wrestler"...


That was the biggest surprise of all to me.

Best Picture
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Director
Danny Boyle - Slumdog Millionaire

Best Actor
Mickey Rourke - The Wrestler

Best Actress
Meryl Streep - Doubt

Best Supporting Actress
Marisa Tomei - The Wrestler

Best Supporting Actor
Michael Shannon - Revolutionary Road (I think this guy is truly underrated.)

Best Foreign Language Film
Waltz With Bashir - Israel

Best Animated Feature Film
Wall-E

Best Adapted Screenplay
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Original Screenplay
In Bruges


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They don't give out special awards just because someone is dead, I think there has been five or six other actors nominated posthumously and only Peter Finch has won for Network back in the 70s.  I think Heath Ledger is winning because his acting is head and shoulders above the competition, even if he was alive I'm sure he'd still be winning.

Predicts:

Best Picture
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Director
Danny Boyle - Slumdog Millionaire

Best Actor
Mickey Rourke - The Wrestler

Best Actress
Kate Winslet - The Reader

Best Supporting Actress
Penelope Cruz - Vicky Cristina Barcelona

Best Supporting Actor
Heath Ledger - The Dark Knight

Best Foreign Language Film
Waltz With Bashir - Israel

Best Animated Feature Film
Wall-E

Best Adapted Screenplay
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Original Screenplay
Milk



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I did hope to see The Dark Knight nominated in other categories as well. I can forgive the Best picture nomination but c'mon at least BEST DIRECTOR/BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY.

And Phil, just a personal question do you really think any of the above nominations for Best Supporting Actor are better performance than The Joker? I hate when people try to bring up his death as a justification. It just SUCKS. If you think Robert Downey jr was better than .... the only performance other than Heath Ledger's is that of Hoffman in Doubt.


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Best Original Screenplay
In Bruges


Hope it wins. My favorite movie of last year with TDK. Great script.



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Am I the only who has trouble differentiating between the awards for Best Picture and Best Director?

To me, if a movie wins Best Picture it should automatically get the nod for Best Director. I mean, a movie - the actual finished product that appear on the screen - is the director's vision. You can judge an actor's performance and the quality of a screenplay, but imo. the only thing you can judge the director on is the movie.

Everything that appear on screen only gets there because the director wants it. He suggests changes to the script, he directs the actors performances, he's involved in the editing, the music etc. so how could anyone award a movie the Best Picture but say...nah, the direction wasn't that great? I just don't get it.

Obviously the screenplay, the acting, the photography, the sets, the wardrobe, the music etc. play a huge part of a movie's success (and with that I mean "Oscar movies" not blockbusters) but all of those things only made the movie good because the director chose to surround himself with the best people and also because he or she made the right decisions.


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Quoted from NiK
And Phil, just a personal question do you really think any of the above nominations for Best Supporting Actor are better performance than The Joker? I hate when people try to bring up his death as a justification. It just SUCKS. If you think Robert Downey jr was better than .... the only performance other than Heath Ledger's is that of Hoffman in Doubt.


I didn't see the other movies, so I can't honestly say.  I wonder if the die hard Ledger fans, here, have seen all of them.

And the Joker isn't up for best supporting actor.  Ledger is.  I'm not pointing this out to be a PITA.  It just seems to be a mistake I've before.  The award isn't for best character; it's for BSA.


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Am I the only who has trouble differentiating between the awards for Best Picture and Best Director?

To me, if a movie wins Best Picture it should automatically get the nod for Best Director. I mean, a movie - the actual finished product that appear on the screen - is the director's vision. You can judge an actor's performance and the quality of a screenplay, but imo. the only thing you can judge the director on is the movie.

Everything that appear on screen only gets there because the director wants it. He suggests changes to the script, he directs the actors performances, he's involved in the editing, the music etc. so how could anyone award a movie the Best Picture but say...nah, the direction wasn't that great? I just don't get it.

Obviously the screenplay, the acting, the photography, the sets, the wardrobe, the music etc. play a huge part of a movie's success (and with that I mean "Oscar movies" not blockbusters) but all of those things only made the movie good because the director chose to surround himself with the best people and also because he or she made the right decisions.


It is more for the producers. In the majority of movies that are released each year the Director really is not the man in charge of the creative vision. In most cases it is the producer gets the project off the ground and sometimes spends years pulling it together, they hire the director, writers, actors etc.. And quite often will have the final say on scripts, editing and even how the movie is shot. The best film nod is an opportunity for them to collect an award and share the limelight with the more famous talent who they had working for them.

Of course sometimes the director is the driving force, the lower the budget the more likely. But most of the time the producers make the movie, the director decides how we see things on the screen but the suits decide what we see.

Slumdog Millionaire was not the brainchild of Danny Boyle for instance. Film 4 films read the book and they approached Simon Beufoy to write the screenplay. Then they went looking for a director willing to join the project, Danny Boyle actually turned them down at first until he read the script. He may well win Best Director for his great work but one could argue that the producers at Film 4 were the driving force behind getting the film made and therefore would be deserving of the best picture win. It may well be that Danny Boyle does not win Best Director, maybe David Fincher wins it, but Slumdog could still be best film and I don't think the two are mutually inclusive.


There is a really great book called 'SCREEN PLAYS' by David S. Cohen, It tells the story behind 25 recent movies and details how each script got from initial conception to final draft and the influence the studio's have over every aspect. Really Interesting read, recommend it to anyone.

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I realize I haven't seen every movie nominated just for the fun of it, my two cents...

Best Picture
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Director
Danny Boyle - Slumdog Millionaire

Best Actor
Frank Langella - Frost/Nixon or Mickey Rourke - The Wrestler (can't decide)

Best Actress
Meryl Streep - Doubt

Best Supporting Actress
Marisa Tomei - The Wrestler

Best Supporting Actor
Heath Ledger - The Dark Knight (I honestly think Ledger will and should win. Honestly, It's sort of a slap in the face of the other actors to give the award to someone who isn't even capable of accepting it but the fact is he's nominated and the fact is his performance is the best out of the nominees. I am however happy, not to mention completely blown away, that Robert Downey Jr. was nominated. I think his performance is the best of the living actors nominated).

Best Animated Feature Film
Wall-E

Best Adapted Screenplay
Slumdog Millionaire

Best Original Screenplay
In Bruges

...and all the technical stuff should probably go to the Dark Knight.


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The thing is, the Best Picture and Best Director awards don't always go to the same film. Here's the winners for the past 15 years.

1993 - Best Picture & Best Director: Schindler's List
1994 - Best Picture & Best Director: Forrest Gump
1995 - Best Picture & Best Director: Braveheart
1996 - Best Picture & Best Director: The English Patient
1997 - Best Picture & Best Director: Titanic
1998 - Best Picture: Shakespeare in Love / Best Director: Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan
1999 - Best Picture & Best Director: American Beauty
2000 - Best Picture: Gladiator / Best Director: Soderbergh for Traffic
2001 - Best Picture & Best Director: A Beautiful Mind
2002 - Best Picture: Chicago / Best Director: Polanski for The Pianist
2003 - Best Picture & Best Director: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
2004 - Best Picture & Best Director: Million Dollar Baby
2005 - Best Picture: Crash / Best Director: Ang Lee for Brokeback Mountain
2006 - Best Picture & Best Director: The Departed
2007 - Best Picture & Best Director: No Country for Old Men

4 times, they went to different films. I suppose, of course, this is a question about film authorship. It takes more than one person to make a film. The director isn't the only person responsible for the success. So I don't think it's right to roll the two awards into one. If you're going down that route, why not just dispense with the awards for editing, cinematography, music, and just have one award? The Academy Award for Best Directed and Overall Best Picture, and then have the acting and screenplay awards.

Actually, that might not be such a bad idea - the whole thing wouldn't drag on for hours then...

(P.S. I think Winslet is almost a dead cert for Best Actress. She won twice at the Globes, she's up twice for Best Actress at the BAFTAs, she's won other awards...plus this is her sixth nomination. I think her time has just come to win one of the bloody things!)


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Of those four, this one really sticks in my throat:

"2000 - Best Picture: Gladiator / Best Director: Soderbergh for Traffic"

Scott looked gutted and I was gutted for him. There's no way that there was anything so spectacular in the directing of Traffic that it deserved to trump the Best Picture.

You can understand the thinking with something like this:

"1998 - Best Picture: Shakespeare in Love / Best Director: Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan"

Where one is directed in a spectacular fashion, but the other film is considered a more consistent, intelligent film overall.
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I didn't see the other movies, so I can't honestly say.  I wonder if the die hard Ledger fans, here, have seen all of them.

And the Joker isn't up for best supporting actor.  Ledger is.  I'm not pointing this out to be a PITA.  It just seems to be a mistake I've before.  The award isn't for best character; it's for BSA.

Phil



I saw the other movies, Revolutionary Road, Milk, Doubt, Tropic Thunder... and the only actor that might have a chance against Heath Ledger is Philip Seymour Hoffman for Doubt.

This isn't about being a Heath Ledger fan, this is about being honest with his performance. And Phil I said The Joker, because HE played the Joker if he will win the Oscar he will win because he played that character, you don't win it because you play yourself.

My advice - watch the other movies and make your decision.



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I've seen all the performances in the supporting actor category too...Philip Seymour Hoffman  was good in Doubt but It was mostly just a screaming and yelling role...Josh Brolin was great in Milk(Emile Hirsh gave a better supporting role in that movie though)...Michael Shannon was...odd...but in a good way, I just wish he was in more of the film, and Robert Downey Jr. was hilarious,the best part about Tropic Thunder but Heath Ledger gave me goosebumps as the Joker, that's why he stands out to me.


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