Quoted from sniper Why? He's not talking about the story or the final product, he's talking about the actual shoot. Of course a big budget action blockbusters like Transformer is going to be a harder shoot than filming a talky-movie at a winery in France. That doesn't mean it's going to be any better though.

I understand what he's going for, but the manner in which he says it comes off as dickish to me, and like he's whining.  He's putting all the blame on his critics and none on himself for his films not having story/developed characters/anything besides action/FX.  No one's holding a gun to his head to slave over these action films.

For the record, I liked "The Rock".  It's the only film of his I've liked.

What I don't get is why he actually gives a shit about what the critics say. His movies are raking in tons of dollars. Somebody out there likes him.

Quoted from sniper What I don't get is why he actually gives a shit about what the critics say. His movies are raking in tons of dollars. Somebody out there likes him.

That's the thing!  He shouldn't give a shit.  But instead, he whines.

I see a lot of whining on this thread....lol

Quoted from The boy who could fly I see a lot of whining on this thread....lol

I don't really see defending my initial remark as whining, but ok.

I didnt say you per say, in general  

I agree with Jordan.

Shouldn't you people be writing instead of complaining about movies you have no control over?

Quoted from chism I agree with Jordan. Shouldn't you people be writing instead of complaining about movies you have no control over?

Wait, so now it's turned to chastising people for discussing things....on a discussion board?

Fun stuff.  

Quoted from dresseme Wait, so now it's turned to chastising people for discussing things....on a discussion board? Fun stuff.

I'm just saying if you don't like Michael Bay movies, fine. Isn't your time better spent writing a better movie than he could make rather than bitching on a discussion board?

People talk about him like he's a horrible filmmaker. He's not. His films are effects-driven, so what? The Dark Knight is praised worldwide but it also has paper-thin characters (save for Harvey and the Joker) and a simple plot. So, what's the problem here?

Bay's job is to entertain and he does it well. Not all movies are made for thinking about them afterwards. Plus, it's not like he wrote the script for Transformers (or most of his other films for that matter).

He is unfairly bashed more than any other recent filmmaker (save Uwe Boll and Paul Anderson) for no reason whatsoever. His films are made for no other purpose other than to entertain and he succeeds almost every time.

People are complaining about under-developed characters in his films. Right. Because we all know action films and Hollywood blockbusters have wonderfully-developed characters and a deep philosophy hidden within their plots.  

Jesus, people, lighten up and let the guy make his big bucks with his films! He just wants to get cash and make sure people have fun while he's at it. I have absolutely no problem with him.

Also, everyone has every right to whine about WHATEVER they feel like whining about. You don't have to like him for it, but he sure can do it. I can see how this guy has had enough of people bad-mouthing him. It must really get to his head, going through all the hard work of making a film only to hear some *very* bitter people not appreciate it in the least, going as far as to call him a hack.

Keep in mind, most of these guys prefer filmmakers like Quentin Tarantino (who is ALSO all style, no substance) , which just shows their hypocrisy.


--Julio

Quoted from chism I'm just saying if you don't like Michael Bay movies, fine. Isn't your time better spent writing a better movie than he could make rather than bitching on a discussion board?

Hopefully I'm not the only one catching the irony of someone arguing about not arguing on a discussion board.

Anyway, my initial argument wasn't about Michael Bay as a director, per se, moreso about his comments.   But I've already explained myself, so I think I'm done here.

Quoted from dresseme Hopefully I'm not the only one catching the irony of someone arguing about not arguing on a discussion board.

Hehe, you're not.  

Quoted from chism Hehe, you're not.

Before I retire for the night, I feel I should say something nice.

Like the signature.  

Quoted from dresseme Before I retire for the night, I feel I should say something nice. Like the signature.

Sleep? Loser...

I fully agree with Julio. Well said.

~Zack~