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So, the pressing question to my fellow Brits, and anyone familiar with our politics: What are yours views on his appearance on 'Question Time' tonight?
I am mixed - his policies, his rhetoric and his party are abhorrent to me. They represent a racism that many seem unable to shake - I mean, do we really care about the colour of skin today, after all that has gone before us - baffling. However, ignoring these views and failing to see the hypocrisy of many 'liberals' who are happy for racial equality, but if that involves another colour entering the family, forget about, is folly. Some Brits have voted for his party, and rather than burying our heads in the sand about it, we need a public discourse that tackles our differences, and attempts to reconcile them. What's the alternative? Allow the party to foment hatred against Brits who don't happen to be white. This kind of behaviour cannot remain unchecked - those who say, well, why give these people a platform to preach and influence others? What? If we have a number of Brits who latently feel this way, we need to tackle the issue, 'cos it will not go away by wishing it away. Ignoring it and hoping it will eventually dissipate naturally, well, those people need a reality check.
We're the United Kingdom, and we are about unity, tolerance and understanding, surely - we're not about "British values" that reward 'indigenous peoples' only, but all British peoples who make us the country we are, right?
Also, can we distinguish between his racist views, and some common sense views re: crime and subsequent punishment he espouses? I mean, I do not subscribe that 'dealers of hard drugs' should be shot, but why are we so soft on crime? Why do we allow weak punishment in the name of 'rehabilitation' to consistently demonstrate detriment to us all? Nobody is arguing that rehabilitation is of no use, but rather that criminal acts must receive suitable punishment. Is this clever vote-baiting from Griffin, or what, what is it? If the man speaks a truth outside his racism, can we not be big enough to see the sense in it? Sure, I consider him a village idiot, but does that make him incapable of making a point - and while I agree with the media representation of him, can we no longer report objectively? Where does that lead us as a society? What happened to an impartial media that presents us issues that we decide on?
Final point, what is with the fanatical protesters? Protesting is fine, but it must be ordered, and focused. The BBC protesting lot are hardly MLK, are they. If ever there was a way to give an ounce of credibility to Griffin's perceived cause, then it is a bunch of rowdy and reckless and yes, intolerant protesters. If we pivot our tolerance on accepting others' views, then what message do we send out if we cannot tolerate those who do not speak in accordance to our own - how does that make us any different from the BNP?
Oh yeah, Malcolm, we debate stuff - I started a thread about Gary MacKinnon a while back, and something on the European elections, too...this feels like an extension of that, really, since that's when the BNP broke onto the scene.
I'm torn on Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time. Yes, freedom of speech is fundamentally important, and yes, they have two seats on the European Parliament so they are, to all extents and purposes, a 'real party'. There's also the argument that if you treat them as adults, if you refuse to allow them to continue to portray themselves as plucky outlaws by bringing them into the public arena and exposing their true colours through honest, mature debate, then you nullify their threat. 'Giving them enough rope to hang themselves by', if you like.
But even so...by putting Griffin on the same panel as Jack Straw and the Lib Dems, I do wonder if the BBC aren't 'normalising' them to a certain extent, making them seem acceptable (which, personally, I don't think they are). His views ARE divisive, they DO encourage racial tension. Branding non-whites as different, inferior and undeserving of a place in Britain isn't 'standing up to our PC society', it's something worse than that, something darker.
Should he be on Question Time? Probably. The man has a right to put his views across, and hopefully when I watch it later he'll have been exposed as the laughable politician he is. There's no getting away from the fact that in some areas of the UK, white people do feel under siege from immigrants (which usually isn't the case, but it's naive to think you can simply tell them they're wrong). There may be problems that need addressing, but lurching to the far-right isn't the solution. So...let him on Question Time, and perhaps he'll make such a fool of himself that we can all finally stop talking about the BNP and start a more practical debate - how to sort out the problems the BNP feeds off.
Well, we are either a democracy, or we aren't - we can't say that on the one hand, we allow a party like the BNP, but on the other they aren't allowed to have their say. At the Euro elections, there were calls for the party to be banned from broadcasts on tv and the like.
Not letting them speak will only give them ammunition with which to claim that they are the ones speaking the truth that the Government and main parties don't want us to hear - and seeing the rabble that are trying to storm the BBC to stop the programme is also likely to get them a few votes!
The fact is that the UK has an enormous number of social problems that need to be dealt with - and neither of the main parties have shown any real inclination to do what is needed - drastic action instead of words. Not surprisingly, and as with the NSDAP, people are going to start looking for a party that says it will act rather than talk, and which presents them with easy scapegoats.
I really believe that, given the morally bankrupt Government and Opposition we now have in the UK, parties like the BNP are likely to be heading towards the electoral breakthrough that they have always dreamed of. And when that day comes, God help us all, regardless of the colour of our skin.
(Btw, I have always found it ironic that the BNP is the only political party in Britian that believes that the native British languages of Welsh and Gaelic should be taught in schools throughout the UK - when they struggle at present to be taught in the countries of their origin. Nick Griffin's children are both Welsh speakers)
Here's a thing about that, though: no-one's banning Nick Griffin from speaking. He isn't in prison, no-one's cut out his tongue. He doesn't have to be on the BBC's flagship political programme in order to fulfil his basic human rights.
I do think he should be allowed on, but I don't agree that not letting him on would be a denial of human rights, as some have said. They can have their say, just not on TV! We have the right to freedom of speech, but not the right to equal media coverage.
They do have the right to equal tv coverage though, by law and by the BBC's own rules - otherwise, what is to stop the BBC banning Liberals or Plaid Cymru (the Welsh National Party for those outside the UK). There is a requirement of all tv stations to present even handed coverage of political events.
I'll be brief. I've thrown eggs at the BNP. And I'd do it again. In fact, out of my nature, I'd put those racist bastards against a wall and shoot them. And trrust me, that is out of my nature. These fuckers are as sly as foxes. He was doing well on Question Time on the Beeb tonight, but he's still a racist cunt.
Pardon my language. But I can't be doing with that. We did fight world war two not so long ago didn't we? Fuck 'em.
Let's be honest about this. What are we talking about when we use the word racism. Most Brits will tell you they don't give a damn about who's black and who's white.
The real debate here, is about the average guy in the street beginning to feel that they have become a minority citizen in their own country. We've become so used to surporting the underdog, that somewhere along the line, we became one. many people have become disillusioned with the great multi racial experiment, that is the UK.
By the way, before anyone vilifies me for this statement, I would point out that 4 members of my own family are Afro-Caribbean in origin and 2 have fought for this country and I can assure you, they are as worried as everyone else.
A lot of people outside the UK may not understand what's going on here. I'm not sure I completely understand it myself.
"A lot of people outside the UK may not understand what's going on here. I'm not sure I completely understand it myself."
I know this. For evil to thrive it takes good men to stand by. I won't stand by. Elected or not, Nick Griffin' card is marked and he'll get what's coming. By usual standards it'll be mild. But, he'll know there's folks out here who've got it in for him, and that's all that matters. I cannot believe the fucking BNP exist in this day and age. Fuck me.
A few good point raised already, I just wanted to add my thoughts.
On the subject of the BNP as a whole then I am certainly with the majority here, there should be no place for a political party based on hate in this day and age. I would be appalled if anyone I consider to be a friend would support such policies.
But in response to Rendevous, yes we did fight wars against facist regimes and to defend the freedoms we have today. I think anyone who died fighting for their country in the Second World War would be appalled by any suggestion of stopping anybody expressing their views, no matter how distasteful. This is the price we all pay for freedom, it does mean we have to listen to things we object to.
The BNP are a political party, there are many people in the UK who have voted for them. Therefore, as a publicly funded broadcaster, the BBC has an obligation to allow the BNP to partake in Question Time. It would be wholly wrong to not allow Nick Griffin have his say. It is interesting to note that the protesters who were trying to get his appearance on the show stopped were doing it in the name of anti-fascism - One would have thought that denying a democratically elected party a forum is the behavior of fascists.
On the wider subject Malcom has made a very good point. It may well turn out that re-resurgence that the BNP has had recently is a good thing for British politics and Britain as a whole. It seemed fairly obvious that many of the votes that the BNP have received, especially in Northern towns full of disillusioned and often marginalised people, were actually cries for help rather than a support for the more radical and hateful policies of the BNP.
There is issues in the UK with immigration. There is a real sense that being British is not allowed anymore, It is a real problem that the man on the street is feeling and yet a spineless and impotent Government has failed to address any of their concerns. Multi Culturism has failed, other cultures are not integrating into British society, preferring instead stay segregated, not learning the language or embracing the culture. A vote for the BNP should be seen as a shot in the arm to the main parties, force them to see that this is a real issue that demands a real and open debate. There is nothing racist about wanting to tackle the immigration problem, for some people however the BNP is the only party willing to even discuss it. The issue is that many people are too thick to realise that the real motives of the BNP are far more sinister and pretty obnoxious but on the other hand I can understand why some feel that voting for them is the answer. The more they allow Nick Griffin to talk about his policies the more people will see him for what he is, I don't understand how stopping him speaking is a good thing.
Hopefully then the BNP can just disappear back down the toilet it came from.
This is the price we all pay for freedom, it does mean we have to listen to things we object to.
Indeed. And I will die for right to say it, as a wiser man than me once said.
But, I did actually listen to that cunt tonight on Question Time. I nearly threw up. I use that word rarely too trust me. But he is a fucking cunt. A phrase I use sparingly.
He's a fucking snake. You know it, they know it too. Ho the fuck anyone ever voted for him is beyond me.
But he's there's now - as a Euro MP. And they think it's up and up? I don't fucking think so. From now on it's down down down baby. Help me. Stop these racist fucks beofre they knock at your door. Please. Stop em while you can.
In Germany, the NSDAP got elected because of the weakness and corruption of the other parties - this is the case here too. We have a Government and Opposition that are more interested in their expenses forms than the problems facing the UK.
The Chancellor, after the worst financial collapse in 80 years, claims that there is no need to reform banking.
We will make deals for oil to release terrorists, and even send the SAS to train soldiers of a Government that is held responsible for attacking us.
We will give benefits to convicted Islamic terrorists, who preach hatred on a par with the BNP, but will forcibly deport innocent people to countries where they will be murdered (the UK Government once drugged and handcuffed a Zimbabwean political activist and put him on a plane to Harare where he disappeared into Mugabe's torture chambers).
We have a Government that plans to spend billions spying on every email and phone call we make in the name of security, and yet talks of the need to make cutbacks in public services to save money.
I very much doubt that all those who vote for the BNP are racist, they just want someone to do something instead of talking about it. It was very much this feeling that manifested itself in the support for Barack Obama in the US - sadly in the UK we have no one even remotely like Obama to lead the people away from the extremists - all we have is David Cameron and Nick Clegg (The Chuckle Brothers of UK Politics!).
Couldn't agree more Niles, the lack of credible Government and spineless opposition is beginning to polarise oppinions - Never a good thing.
The vast silent majority out there, are beginning to wake up to the fact the the United Kingdom, has become so fractured, we've almost lost it. When the worm finally turns and it will. It makes you wonder which way it'll go.
Thank God Nick Griffin is such a tosser. Someone half believable - half credible, would have got a lot more than a few Northern Votes.
In the end, it all turned out alright - he made such a fool of himself on the show that by the end everyone was just laughing at him.
I see this morning that the BNP have now complained that everyone just spent the whole show attacking Griffin, rather than talking about the postal strike, Afghanistan, etc. - so typical of a party that always refuses to actually face up to criticism of their views and values. "Oh, you let us on Question Time, but it wasn't the right kind of Question Time..."
The thing to remember here is that there hasn't be a rise in the number of people voting for the BNP. It is merely that voters are not bothering to vote for the mainstream parties anymore, so their share of the vote has increased.
Watching that programme last night it was easy to see why voters are apathetic to the main parties. People have serious problems and issues with the way things are being run, but the mainstream politicians are completely failing to engage with opinion.
Nick Griffin is a wide eyed loon, but he looked a sensible option compared to Jack Straw who refused to answer a question honestly and avoided all eye contact.
Everyone ganged up on Griffin and laughed and poured scorn on him, but they all singularly failed to present any policies or any solutions to combat peoples insecurities.
The BNP are portraying it as a victory for themselves and in a way it is. Nothing was revealed about Griffin that we don't already know, the trouble is that mainstream politics made itself look even weaker last night.
The thing to remember here is that there hasn't be a rise in the number of people voting for the BNP. It is merely that voters are not bothering to vote for the mainstream parties anymore, so their share of the vote has increased.
Watching that programme last night it was easy to see why voters are apathetic to the main parties. People have serious problems and issues with the way things are being run, but the mainstream politicians are completely failing to engage with opinion.
Nick Griffin is a wide eyed loon, but he looked a sensible option compared to Jack Straw who refused to answer a question honestly and avoided all eye contact.
Everyone ganged up on Griffin and laughed and poured scorn on him, but they all singularly failed to present any policies or any solutions to combat peoples insecurities.
The BNP are portraying it as a victory for themselves and in a way it is. Nothing was revealed about Griffin that we don't already know, the trouble is that mainstream politics made itself look even weaker last night.
I have to agree with all of that Dec. You speaketh the truth? What? Why've I've gone all Shakespeareish? Now, where's my eggs? Come ere Griffin you wide eyed racist fuck!
Posted this on the Times website, might as well copy it here (and yes, this IS me avoiding my feature which I can't bloody finish!):
"I'm a white British person, born and raised in South London. I'm not a BNP supporter but neither am I fan of any major political party - I voted Libertas in the EU elections, actually! The seeming 'rise' of the BNP alarms me, especially considering just how unfit for political purpose they are.
Here's the thing about the BNP: they claim to be a proper political party, who have aspirations to govern and 'save Britain'. But can anyone actually outline a single one of their policies apart from immigration? They can't be taken seriously because they don't take politics seriously. They use 'fear politics', preying on the public's concerns and riding populist bandwagons rather than actually outlining their own plans. They're all soundbites and catchphrases, deliberately provocative slogans and symbols. They try to portray themselves as the party of the people, the ones who can 'save Britain', but in fact if they came to power tomorrow they'd have no idea where to even start.
It's all very well to say 'Britain is being invaded, we need to change'. They're just words. How, Mr. Griffin? How will we change? What's your policy on climate change, education, the economy? Here's a few policies from their website: a reintroduction of corporal punishment into schools, an end to all foreign aid, the use of 'chain-gangs' of prisoners for community projects, withdrawal from NATO and the EU, aboliition of the Human Rights Act, exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets, 'trade with the rest of the world as it suits us'.
Their policies would isolate Britain from the rest of the world, turning us into an internationally reviled little island off mainland Europe with no allies or political clout on the world stage. We live in an age of globalisation, Mr. Griffin. You want to reset Britain back to 1945 - unless you've beaten the world's scientists and invented a time machine, that won't work. The world's moved on, and we can't just detach ourselves from it. London's tourism industry alone is worth £8 billion a year - does Nick Griffin think that'll continue if the BNP is in power? All foreign businesses would up and leave. Trading links around the world would be severed. We'd drift into the kind of isolationist hell the people of North Korea are currently experiencing. Does that sound like change for the better?
If everyone stopped thinking about immigration for just one moment, then the real ridiculousness of the BNP would be exposed. It's right the BBC let Nick Griffin appear, but I'm really disappointed that Question Time didn't take the opportunity to look at some of these other issues. Instead, they talked about exactly what the BNP want to talk about: immigration, immigration, immigration. That's the one issue they seem to be able to engage people on. Yes, Griffin looked like a fool (although part of me thought that ANYONE would react similarly uncomfortably when up against that kind of reception), but he was made to look like a victim. What would REALLY have exposed him would have been if the debate had focused on other issues, questions to which the BNP have absolutely no answers. They missed a trick, and the BNP have probably actually come out looking better for their appearance. Which, as I said at the beginning of this post, fills me with dismay. I have a horrible feeling they're going to do rather well at the next general election - I hope to God I'm wrong."
Naturally, everyone is on the same page with his views - they're indefensible. That said, his appearance was not the unqualified failure that the media predictably reported. The image of the BNP is one of prejudiced and indiscriminate anger, but his demeanour was anything but. That was always going to be a danger - his views are obviously not moderate, yet he is a skilled operator. He knows how out of step his views are in the mainstream, but knows the power of image. He came across as the"bumbling fool" at times, but he neutralised the image of an angry man. Sure, a man with warped views, but anger was never detectable.
That's a problem. A major problem. He's desperately trying to repackage his views as being about "immigration", which is a genuine concern for a large swathe of the electorate. Last night's "mauling" did nothing to dissuade 1 million people that he's not relevant in these current times. Where was the "mauling" of the nation's immigration concerns? That's the failure. He could not be worse for the country, but instead of reaching out to the BNP voters, the panel demonised - with a token mention of voter apathy/protest voting - a group the main parties implicitly bait with "British jobs for British workers" and the Brit flag in the Conservatives logo. The chasm between those "far-right" and us widens, but at what cost? We need to reconcile, not stiffen the intolerance.
Racists do live among us, I know people who are racist. Both whites and non-whites. We need to accept that people do discriminate on colour and a sizeable portion of BNP voters are not protest votes. This ridiculous packaging of racism as a "white, working class" disease makes me sick, however - we need to be honest with what racism is, and try to understand the motives behind groups like the BNP, even if we fundamentally disagree with them. Racism comes in many forms, and it can come in the name of "culture". Like the Indian parents who cannot know about their daughter's white boyfriend - me, I have been there. All of it makes me sick to the stomach, but we have to confront all of its forms. We have to live with views we can not stand, because what happens otherwise? Yes, that means we have to accept the views of the BNP member, they're British and so are those they dislike - we have to live together. Life is not black and white, and the easily compartmentalised media depiction needs rethinking - shades of grey exist everywhere.
Back on topic - Jack Straw was a prized idiot. The whole thing with the "Afro-Caribbean" phrase was painful. The only politician to escape with credibility was the Lib Dem. The Conservative woman was like a rabbit in headlights when Dimbleby mentioned her "homosexuality" paper, and she sidestepped a disaster by ignoring the question. Straw acting the slimy politician just highlighted the hypocrisy of all of them.
They also took the wrong direction with tackling Griffin - instead of defeating him on the issues, they carried out a witch hunt. They made him look far better than he is. How he can defend his views? Why reiterate over and over he's a bigot, a racist, etc, etc. He's racist, of course he's a bigot. Defeat him on the issues, he cannot win.
The big problem is these fuckers are now elected and members of the European Parliment. This means they recieve massive funding at the tax payer's expense. Get your eggs, your sticks or whatever and make sure if they ever have the balls (they usually don't) to show your face in your town you fucking well drum them out. Shower of utter barstards.
Unfortunately re, they do often show their faces in the town where I live.
I live in a small town in the amber valley district of Derby, which originated as a mining village. It is well known for its vast number of extreme right-wing occupants (even to the extent that channel 4 rented a shop nearby, called it an 'Asian Supermarket', and riddled the place with hidden cameras. Some of the abuse the undercover reporter endured was disgusting, and the sad case of the matter is that I recognised a fair few faces in the documentry).
It's also well reported for the BNP festivals that are held nearby yearly, and unfortunately Cliff Roper and Lewis Allesbrook unseated Labour- and another of the BNP candidates, Paul Snell, lost by one vote in recent elections.
It's a sad state of affairs all round. I despair at times.
Regardless of whether Griffin was, as he says, bullied or not on Question Time, or whether he was instead exposed as a poisonous, bumbling mess (Peter Serafinowicz apparently simply Twittered during the debate: 'Adolf Brent'), the ultimate outcome of his appearance is becoming clear:
'A YouGov poll in the Daily Telegraph suggests 22% 'of people questioned would "seriously consider" voting BNP.'
As I said in a previous post, the true extent of the malice and lunacy of the BNP is actually revealed when you look at policies other than their 'flagship' immigration views - I discovered yesterday that they want to "Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals...[and] restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence)." Their trade and diplomacy policies are fantastical and isolationist, their crime and education policies draconian. BUT, this is the important bit:
"...more than half of those polled said they agreed or thought the party had a point in speaking up for the interests of indigenous, white British people."
I firmly believe that if the spotlight were to move to the BNP's other policies, then they wouldn't last very long. However, fears over immigration are the BNP's petri dish, and as long as they spread, so will the BNP. Lab-Con-Lib HAVE to get involved in the immigration debate in a way that will engage the sectors of society who are drifting towards the far-right, possibly without even fully realising what they're doing. By voting for the BNP you're voting for beatings in schools, the re-introduction of the death penalty, an end to foreign aid, banning of imports...the list goes on. And yet somehow, the BNP have managed to completely hijack one issue and use it so single-handedly drum up support. They've been allowed to pick the battleground. Fair enough - that's where this will have to be decided. The mainstream parties have to stop dancing around and just throwing mud, and actually suit-up and get in the fight.
Question is, what do Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems have to do or say to reach out to potential/current BNP voters? How far will they have to go to tempt them back into the fold?
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Right, I'm going to try and stay off this thread now and focus on my script that's currently giving my sleepless nights. I just want it done! Might as well end with the lyrics of the song Lily Allen dedicated to the BNP when she performed it at Glastonbury this summer. Everyone sing along!
Look inside, Look inside your tiny mind Now look a bit harder Cause we're so uninspired, so sick and tired of all the hatred you harbor
So you say It's not okay to be gay Well I think you're just evil You're just some racist who can't tie my laces Your point of view is medieval
Fuck you (Fuck you) Fuck you very, very much Cause we hate what you do And we hate your whole crew So please don't stay in touch
Fuck you (Fuck You) Fuck you very, very much Cause your words don't translate And it's getting quite late So please don't stay in touch
Do you get, Do you get a little kick out of being slow minded? You want to be like your father It's approval your after Well that's not how you find it
Do you, Do you really enjoy living a life that's so hateful? Cause there's a hole where your soul should be Your losing control of it and it's really distasteful
Fuck you (Fuck You) Fuck you very, very much Cause we hate what you do And we hate your whole crew So please don't stay in touch
Fuck you (Fuck You) Fuck you very, very much Cause your words don't translate and it's getting quite late So please don't stay in touch
The polls reflect - I think - the latent support for the BNP rather than an exposure to those views on TV increasing their support. The issue may be that people now feel freer to express their views, but what it also confirms is that we now have to face up to the problem. People feel this way, and it's extremely short-sighted to ignore the issue by suggesting stifling freedom of speech will solve anything. Finally, politicians will have to stop brushing these difficult issues under the carpet, and instead work on developing strategies to move us all forward.
Now we have to confront it, and attempt to reconcile the difference in views.
It is ironic that many of the issues here have been caused by over the top political correctness and left wing pandering to over compensate for the problems Britain used to face with racism. (I am not stupid enough to think that there is no racism in Britain anymore, it just is not as widespread and as accepted as it once used to be).
In their fear of being seen as racist local and central Governments have gone too far the other way and have effectively outlawed being white and British, maybe that is going a little too far but they have certainly outlawed being proud of being white and British. It is perfectly fine to be proud of being black, or proud of being Muslim, Irish or Indian, but it is frowned upon to fly the Union Flag in fear it upsets some of the minorities.
In Britain it has got to the stage where being patriotic has been likened to being racist. that is an issue that should have been addressed years ago, weak and ineffective local Government is the reason it wasn't.
I speak with experience on the Immigration issue, I am after all an Immigrant. I got fed up with Britain and three years ago emigrated to Australia. Anyone else who has done this will know the hoops I had to jump through to get here. Firstly I had to prove I had skills that would benefit Australia, that I would come here and contribute to society. I had to work here for two years before I could apply to become a permanent resident and during that two years it was made clear that I had no access to free healthcare, free education (if I had kids) and any income support or tax breaks. If I wanted to be here then I had to prove it. I also had to sign a promise to live my life to Australian values!
Britain is the most overpopulated country in Europe and is literally is at breaking point. There is a shortage of cheap housing, long waiting lines in the hospitals, a large number of people not working and a clogged up transport system. Yet there is a completely open door policy for immigration, swarms of people entering the country every single day. Immigrants seem to jump the queues when it comes to assistance with housing, many of them have no intention whatsoever of embracing the culture and integrating into British society.
*Britain in some ways is lucky that this is being partially balanced out by the thousands of British that are leaving and emigrating to places like Australia and Canada.
But still the main parties are too scared to tackle this problem, they still think it is racist to talk like this. I am sorry but it is not, there is no reason at all that the UK cannot have an immigration policy more akin to Australia and the US.
I am pro immigration, I think it gives great benefits to any nation. I like the idea one day having kids who go to school and make friends with people from different races and cultures, this is what a multi-cultural society should be like. The British model however seems to be more about segregation.
A quick glance at the comments sections in The Times this last week tells me all I need to know about what the people of Britain feel about this issue. It is amazing and awful that Nick Griffin, on this issue, has his finger on the pulse of Britain and is the only one talking about it. Don't get me wrong, Britain would be ruined if putrid little man like this were in power, but is anybody going to stop him?
When I was in school we were taught about the rise of the Nazi party in Germany, and of course the holocaust. We were told that history would never forget and a man like Hitler would never again be able to rise to popularity in that way again.
It appears that my teachers were wrong. The spineless, greedy and totally ineffective politicians that make up the bulk of the Labour and Conservatives seem to have forgotten their history lessons and are certainly allowing Nick Griffin to rise in popularity. They are so cut off from their electorate it is ridiculous, they still do not seem to understand that much of Britain agrees with Griffin on this one major policy.
Oh, God. Could that actually be true? Let's pray not.
Murph I absolutely know where you're coming from. One of my sons said the other day, that if he won the lottery he'd relocate us all to somewhere else - pretty much any where else. Although I don't share his sentiments, I know where he's coming from.
Question: would I willingly send one of my sons to fight for this country. Answer - No
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