I appreciate the fact that you guys have read and commented on my script. Being new to this site, I uploaded several of my scripts without the knowledge that there were actually discussion boards attached to each script. So, it's a pleasant surprise to get feedback, even though I have to honestly admit to all of you fine writers that I doubt I'll be returning the favor on this site (I already do so elsewhere).

So, again, thank you. Good luck!

Quoted from KJLateran   Even though I have to honestly admit to all of you fine writers that I doubt I'll be returning the favor

Sadly, this is one of the many reasons why I don't post work up anymore... Writers, like this guy, flood the site with their little 3 page epics - Don't respond to the feedback given - Don't care about the time people, like myself, put forth into reviewing their work --- And then, to top it all off, they have the lack of moral fiber to tell you they won't even consider looking at your work...

I don't care what the ramifications are here...

There are some really talented writers here and whose work deserves to be celebrated in some way or another... Be it a simple read or review or, ultimatley, getting picked up and sold for production.  

So, with all that said... I read your script... I have an opinion on why it succeeded and or failed - But, since you don't care about the favor in error I won't return it.

Quoted from KJLateran I doubt I'll be returning the favor on this site...

While my feelings on this may not be as eloquent as Balt's, I did share a similar sentiment when I read this.

What I would ask -- if you continue to post your works on this board -- is that you drop a quick comment on your scripts to make potential reviewers aware of this.

There are some who might read your work out of sheer goodwill, but many reviewers would like to know that they are spending their time with an active member.

I admit that I generally only read scripts from people I know are active on the boards but read this as it was only 3 pages, but...

Quoted from KJLateran I doubt I'll be returning the favor

...now I know I just won't waste my time again.  Why post a script on here if you don't care if anyone reads it?  I agree with Balt, but maybe wouldn't have worded it so harshly lol.

Quoted from alffy Why post a script on here if you don't care if anyone reads it?

In all fairness, some people post a script in hopes of having it "found" by someone who wants to produce it -- but they have no interest in participating in the review forums.

Perhaps it is time to revisit the issue of different procedures for a simple posting on the home page and an actual link here on the forums.

I'll bring it up with Don and the other Mods once I have mulled it over a bit.

Honestly, I don’t get too upset over this type of thing.

I might get slammed for saying this but I don’t really have a problem with the author’s comments. Personally, I read scripts because I’m interested in the script or the author. If people don’t read my script it’s because:

a) They dislike me personally or want to “punish“ me,
b) they don’t know me or aren’t aware of my work, or
c) the script didn’t grab them. And personally, I don’t want someone to read my work because they feel obligated.

I’m sure there are other reasons, such as time. The point is that I get something out of reading scripts. It inspires me. I have something to gain. Something that makes me a better writer.

If the author of the above script doesn’t want to read scripts around here, it’s his loss. It just means that in the long run, I’ll be a better writer. And that’s good in my opinion because this is a very competitive business.

I’m satisfied with his explanation. I’m sure he’s probably over there at Triggerstreet or somewhere where he’s forced to read a lot of crap. One of the things I most cherish about Simply Scripts is that I can put my work up here and I can do whatever I feel is best for me personally as a writer. I can read what I want. Those who want to get something out of it can get a lot out of it and those who don’t aren’t forced to participate. They can just fade into the distance and disappear.

I think we all do what we feel is best. Instead of getting annoyed, I just look at it as though I gain something from the experience and the non-participatory writer gains nothing. Unless, of course, getting mad about it inspires you to write; Then I guess it’s a good thing.


Breanne

That's fair enough Breanne. For each their own.

But many here write reviews in good faith. They expect a return read sometime in the future or, at the very least a comment or maybe even just a thank you for their time and effort.

If the author isn't gonna respond at all then, at best, it's rude. In my humble of course.

I for one won't review anything from anyone who doesn't post replies for this very reason. If the author has got the time to submit a script they should make the time to respond to comments. Or else why bother submitting?

RV

Quoted from Breanne Mattson I'm sure he's probably over there at Triggerstreet or somewhere where he's forced to read a lot of crap.

Actually, Brea, I think he is a denizen of Movie Poet -- which is on the verge of becoming a sister-site, with so many shared members.

There is alot of good stuff over there, for sure -- and when you do encounter "crap", at least it is only five pages worth.

And MP has their own loosely-enforced requirements for reading the works of your peers, so I can understand when he says his reading time will be spent elsewhere.

But in the past few years, there has been an increasing tide -- some would say a flood -- of five-page scripts from authors there who have no interest in participating here.

While the home page posting should remain open to all, I think, as a courtesy to the active membership, there should be some kind of opt-out or opt-in option to having a thread for your script on the discussion board.

Particularly for the short-shorts.

Quoted from rendevous I for one won't review anything from anyone who doesn't post replies…

That’s the beauty of Simply Scripts. You’re in control of what you read - and what you get out of it.

Quoted from rendevous If the author has got the time to submit a script they should make the time to respond to comments. Or else why bother submitting?

For the reason Bert gives above. Some writers may be trying to reach out to people other than other writers, such as producers.

Quoted from bert Actually, Brea, I think he is a denizen of Movie Poet -- which is on the verge of becoming a sister-site, with so many shared members. There is alot of good stuff over there, for sure -- and when you do encounter "crap", at least it is only five pages worth.

Thanks Bert. I was just pondering the nightmare of trying to drag through a feature length script you’re not interested in.

Quoted from bert While the home page posting should remain open to all, I think, as a courtesy to the active membership, there should be some kind of opt-out or opt-in option to having a thread for your script on the discussion board.

Wise words. Sounds like a solution to me.


Thanks guys,


Breanne

Quoted from KJLateran I appreciate the fact that you guys have read and commented on my script. Being new to this site, I uploaded several of my scripts without the knowledge that there were actually discussion boards attached to each script. So, it's a pleasant surprise to get feedback, even though I have to honestly admit to all of you fine writers that I doubt I'll be returning the favor on this site (I already do so elsewhere). So, again, thank you. Good luck!

With that being said, I've moved this writers work off the board

Don

Not wishing to be a pain, but I think it's an overreaction.

Personally I only ever come onto the discussion board, I don't use the home page to search for scripts.

I think it's fine if people don't want to review other people's scripts. There is already an unofficial process in place whereby reviews are reciprocated, and that prevents it becoming a problem.

The only reason this has blown up is because the author was honest about the situation.

As Bert said, this is a good site to post scrits in order to find a producer of some kind. It's not necessarily the case that people are looking for reviews, they are just advertising their script if you like.

I've personally seen a few scripts from people who haven't ever contributed to the board at all, but I thought had some potential. I don't really think that the system needs correcting in any way. The site works as it is, you get out of it what you want from it as an individual, as Breanne so eloquently explained.

It's better to let the site police itself. A lot of the other sites are so regulated that it becomes an irritation to me and I dont' bother with them.

It's great that loads of scripts are posted up every week, a nod to Don, but also a shame that most are from people who never visit the boards.  It's easy to miss scripts, especially shorts written by long time members and therefore they can get lost in the tide.  I'm not sure I have the answer other than having an author field on the board, making them easy to spot.  I guess this could probably be a headache for Don though.  I'd like to say that I have no issues with none regulars posting their work, so perhaps we should just not review them and so not get annoyed when they don't respond lol.

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films Not wishing to be a pain, but I think it's an overreaction. Personally I only ever come onto the discussion board, I don't use the home page to search for scripts. I think it's fine if people don't want to review other people's scripts. There is already an unofficial process in place whereby reviews are reciprocated, and that prevents it becoming a problem. The only reason this has blown up is because the author was honest about the situation. As Bert said, this is a good site to post scrits in order to find a producer of some kind. It's not necessarily the case that people are looking for reviews, they are just advertising their script if you like. I've personally seen a few scripts from people who haven't ever contributed to the board at all, but I thought had some potential. I don't really think that the system needs correcting in any way. The site works as it is, you get out of it what you want from it as an individual, as Breanne so eloquently explained. It's better to let the site police itself. A lot of the other sites are so regulated that it becomes an irritation to me and I dont' bother with them.

Not a pain at all.  I entirely agree.  I wish to leave the discussion board as unregulated as possible (without it getting overrun with spam and such).  In this case, I merely removed the writers work from the discussion board.  The scripts remain listed on the main site.  I do this from time to time when I'm told or learn that the writer just wishes to have his/her work posted, but doesn't wish to participate in the discussion.  

Don

oh, I thought this discussion would run and run but on that note Don....

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Quoted from Don Not a pain at all.  I entirely agree.  I wish to leave the discussion board as unregulated as possible (without it getting overrun with spam and such).  In this case, I merely removed the writers work from the discussion board.  The scripts remain listed on the main site.  I do this from time to time when I'm told or learn that the writer just wishes to have his/her work posted, but doesn't wish to participate in the discussion.   Don

Fair enough.

I would question whether informative discussion necessarily has to include the author themselves, though.

As I say, from a personal point of view, the presence of these scripts is of interest to me and I'd prefer to see the reaction to them regardless of who posts them.

The great thing about this site is that it is able to grow organically because of the input of its members. It's obviously critical that there arwe a core group of people willing to review each others work, but there are also other uses for the site and for the discussion board.

Rick