OK, so here's the deal...  I wrote a screenplay a while ago and posted it on here.  Someone had read it, liked it, and ended up contacting me asking to cowrite a screenplay with him.  He was very adamant about getting it made and everything, and I was very flattered that he did and decided to take this opportunity.  I mean, who knows?  It might become big and it may be the only opportunity I get to make it into the film industry.

So anyways, we ended up speaking on the phone and exchanging a few emails discussing the story he had in mind for the screenplay as well as some other ideas.  We talked structure, characters, plot elements, etc. made an outline and all that stuff.  Then we started getting into writing out some scenes.  I sent him a few of my scenes -- he said they were okay but would need some work/tweaking.  I'm OK with that, I know I'm not a professional.  In fact I'm only 18 and have never taken a writing class before (he knows that about me, btw).  I just took the criticism and tried to improve.

Now, he would send me some scenes he wrote -- he actually only sent me maybe about 5 scenes (he told me that he had written several scenes out already, but just didn't want to share them with me for some reason... don't know what that's about, but anyway...) -- and I would point out some things I liked or didn't like, or things I felt wouldn't work and offer suggestions and things like that.  Almost every time he would reply the same thing: that he appreciated my opinion, but it's staying the way it is.   I'm like, okay fine... This is his story (very personal to him too), so I wouldn't argue any further on the topic.  Anyways, every time I point out something or disagree with something, he would get a little annoyed with me, and actually say things like "you don't have any experience with writing, I've been to film school, I have more experience then you" blah blah.  I'll be honest, I feel a little offended when he'd say that, but I took it in stride because I knew it was true... although just because I've never taken film classes before doesn't mean I don't know when something might or might not work on screen..

So THEN, yesterday he sent me another thing he wrote... To be frank, I didn't like it at all.  I felt it was so corny, and did NOT fit in with the tone of the film at all, in my opinion.  In my response email, I tried to be as constructive with my critiques, I explained why I didn't think it would work, and offered suggestions/compromises.  I just got his response to my email today... here it is:

Quoted Text While you're entitled to your opinion you hardly ever give any positive feedback with anything i say. most of your suggestions have been less than worthy of the script and I definitely have more experience at this than yourself. now having said that - you have no concept about how this movie is to go and you're going to have to just yield to the fact that I know better than you. corny? some of the crap you've sent is definitely high school, cheesey, corny. I don't wish to hear from you for awhile. thanks

Of course I am shocked.  First of all, I feel horrible because I upset him (I hate when people are mad at me...).  But at the same time, I am a little annoyed and disappointed as well.  I feel like he can't take criticism and he just feels like he's right all the time.  I'm not sure how much longer I can work with this guy.  The problem is, I'm not sure if I want to part ways on this... because like I said before this will probably be the ONLY opportunity I get to have a movie made and possibly make it in the industry.  I'm SO stuck, will anyone give me some advice?  How should I reply to his email?  If at all?  Thank you so much, and sorry for this being so long.

**Also if you want, I am willing to share with you what he sent me in order to get some separate opinions on the matter!! Just send me a PM.  I just want to know whether or not I'm right or wrong here, and whether or not he should be mad at me or if he's overreacting, etc..**

I've ben in this situaton, strangely, and I'm twice your age.  First of all, what has the guy produced, in terms of writing, film, etc.?  Lots of people like to talk about how they're "writers", but they're really people with ideas and not much talent.  Also, there are predators out there who would love to have their 'pet' writer, someone to realize the things in their head because they cannot.  You stood up for yourself, what you believe in, and that's your role as a creator.

Now, I have a writing partner who understands that, especially when breaking a story, there are fights and resentments and all that, but, once the story is outlined and ready to go, we both have something we're proud of.  This guy sounds like an amateur and a narcissist.  You're 18, man, plenty of time to make connections.  Focus on your craft and write, write, write!  You don't need someone to give you permission or approve of it.  

If you want to explain more, etc., just send me a message.  Chin up, buddy, you're a screenwriter at 18!  You have the whole world ahead of you!

Is he just another writer? Or is he a producer, a director? Has he been on any real projects? What are his connections to the industry that you believe you want to work with him? Does he have anything on IMDB? If he's just another writer, and you don't see eye to eye, no sense working with him. Be glad someone noticed your work, keep writing. You're young, plenty of time to make it!

Dude, he sounds like an arse. It's either cut your ties here or let the cancer grow...

You're young. keep writing and opportunities will come in time.

He hasn't directed or produced any films yet.  However, he told me he has connections with other producers and he actually spoke with someone who planned to finance the film once the script was written.

Yeah, what's in his portfolio other than going to film school?

Have you seen his reel?  What are the producers' names?  If he's on the up and up, he'll have no issue with supplying that information.  You might send a polite reply back, expressing disappointment or something, but you don't have to bend over backwards if the material isn't worth it or if you think his take and yours differ so greatly.  Did that with my first produced film, and I'm not very hppy with the results.  Allow yourself the luxury of self-respect for now.  You can give that up when you're middle-aged.

Sounds like all talk to me...if he can't show you something or share with you his connections....don't waste your time...

Keep writing and cut him loose!

I just wanna point out another thing.  We have spoke to each other on the phone before.  In fact, even before that, I asked him via email about any films he wrote or directed, sort of as 'proof'.  He got offended at me, then told me he hasn't directed any films yet.  Anyways, when we did speak on the phone, he seemed nice enough and friendly and listened to me.  I don't think he's a complete jerk, but he just wants to have things his way with regards to this project..

No sense burning bridges, but no sense wasting time. If you're going to write something for no money up front, with an unestablished guy, I would suggest you make sure that a) it's yours when you're done, and b) it's something you want. Then if the guy turns out to be BS'ing you, at least you have a script you like, and it's yours. But I'm just another unproduced guy, Rock, so take my advice accordingly.

Rock,

Actually, something else you might want to consider - if you choose to continue the project.  Make sure you have something in writing which clearly spells out who owns what, re: intellectual property and what each partner has a right to, if this script is actually produced.  If he's truly as difficult as it seems from your posts, you want to protect yourself and your efforts.

Aside from that, I echo what others have said.  You're young - this is hardly the last opportunity you'll have.  And if you want to, I'd be glad to read a scene or two and give you my honest take on it.

As a side issue: having reread your partner's reply (concluding with 'I don't wish to hear from you for awhile'), you might want to respond that you feel it best to step away from the project for awhile yourself, and see how he reacts.  If he views your abilities and judgement with such contempt, why does he wish to work with you?

Best of luck,

W (J)

Rock....too many people call themselves producers and too many writers get weak in their knees when someone says they are a producer. If I were you, I wouldn't even bother returning his emails.

IMO, This is the cornerstone issue of Collaborations in general.

I honestly feel that writing is a very personal thing. Style, heart, emotion are things far more important than structure, format and stuff like that.

A year ago, I thought, hey what the hell, lets get together with someone and whip out a script.

THAT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!

It simply doesn't. PERIOD!

I may never be an accomplished writer in the fact that I have things on the "big screen" But I can say...I write what i want and I write it for enjoyment.

When you pair two people together, one who loves to write and one looking to simply "have work done" you are already in a situation that will not work.

In fact, I have been friends with some people here for years and I am just now about to enter into a writing relationship with one of them. But only after hundreds (yes hundreds) of discussions with him regarding the script.

Be here a while, find a friend, get to know them, talk after hours. Then if you have a connection, you might have the connection to work together on something as personal as a feature.

Happy writing my friend.

Shawn.....><

Hey Rock,

Sounds like a tricky situation.  Whatever you decide to do, I just wanted to echo the point that others have made that this WILL NOT be any sort of last chance.  You have a lot of time and a lot of opportunities ahead of you in life.  Keep that in mind when you're thinking about how to handle this -- while it's very important to get chances in the industry, it's also important that you enter the industry in the right way, connected to work and people that you're proud of.

Hey Rock,

I'm going to keep it simple and not beat around the bush here.

Somebody acts the way like this guy has then cut all ties and with him and move on.

I'll also echo what others have said and say that this will not be your last chance. I remember reading one of your scripts here on SS and you're a good writer.
You're young so there will be plenty of opportunities in the future so I wouldn't worry too much about this guy especially as by what’re saying, he doesn’t sound genuine anyway.

Cut him loose, man!

All the best.

Hi Rock.

I'd suggest you look at as many issues here as possible.

One issue is your lack of confidence. I'd suggest that's not entirely due to your age. What, if in five years time, you still lack this confidence? Is it going to hold up your career? The chances are, that in screenwriting, as in many things, you're going to have to deal with working with people, some of whom are going to be difficult and some of whom you are not going to like working with.

I'd take a deep breath. Then get things straight re contracts, who own what etc. You have a relationship here that appears to be one-sided, so getting stuff on paper about who owns what will even the keel.

Once you've done that, make a decision to either go on with the work or ditch it. If you go on with the work, remember that this may all be really, really, valuable experience for the future. You hating it isn't the only call.

Best of luck

Simon

OK, so update - yep, I'm definitely not working with this guy anymore.  I sent him an email stating why I wouldn't work with him anymore, and this is the response I got:

Quoted Text Newsflash: I've already decided last night that you will not remain a cowriter on this project. Additionally, I have collaborated on other projects without a problem. To be candid, you want to argue over every detail - everytime I emailed you - despite using the guise of just giving your "opinion". You're a kid and you pissed me off with your constant disagreement and argumentative emails. Try being more amicable and learn something - you might wanna take a screenwriting class in the future. True, my words in my last email were written in anger, frustration and harsh - but i'm OVER your constant nitpicking. Fact is - you certainly didn't offer up anything of value as far as scenes go. As far as giving you constructive feedback - where to begin. I had no idea when I asked you to write - that I would have to hold your hand every step of the way. I don't give a fuck what you think. You're a kid and you might try being more agreeable and less abrasive when you express your "opinion".  Then again you basically copied the screenplay from someone else that I read originally that impressed me - you confessed this yourself. I'm sorry this turned out this way - but it's MY STORY - my pain - my experience - my emotions and VERY personal and be assured I will ensure that intergrity and authenticity remain genuine. The final straw? How dare you you ungrateful little shit. You're just to ignorant to realize the opportunity I offered you and were to busy wanting to argue. GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How's that for rudeness?!!! You're a KID and you only seem to want to argue every single time I emailed you with anything. You're right - WE ARE NOT working together. I already made that decision so if it makes you feel like you have the

Yes, he DID write this.  This is not fake in anyway.  In a way, I'm glad he made this so easy for me to walk away from.  I'm just so shocked at his behavior...good luck making it big in the industry with that attitude...  By the way, he said repeatedly that I argued over every little thing -- I don't see it that way.  Whenever he sent me a scene I would give my thoughts, give ideas for him to consider, or if I didn't like it, explained why and offered solutions.  That, I think, is not being argumentative or abrasive.  I was always polite in my emails, and tried to be constructive and helpful.  I was not in any way just arguing for arguments sake.

On another note, does anyone know how to officially terminate an agreement we signed earlier?  Do I just have him write down something like "I, [Name], agree to terminate the Screenwriter's Collaboration Agreement we signed on [date], Signed, X_____" ?  Thanks for the help, everyone

Not sure about the termination, I guess it depends on the language of the intial agreement, but getting something in writing from him stating that he relases you from any obligation as defined by the agreement is probably suitable.

Every industry is full of a**holes and this guy sounds like one.  You're better for it.  Now go write what YOU want to write.

Don't you still have rights or partial rights to some of that work? If you are under no obligation, but have rights to something he might produce, why give up your rights?

I've collaborated on a few different projects. I am shocked at his response. Talking about being an amateur, this guy smacks of being an amateur and always will be an amateur. Like most have said, walk away from the project, because from what I've read here, you have been more professional than he will ever be.

I have been in arguements with my co-writers. You must be able to explain and defend everything you write. If you can't, chances are it's not needed. You also need a co-writer that you can be honest with and work through any complications that arise. Egos aside, writing is painful. It is harder when you have a co-writer telling you something doesn't work.

From his words alone, he sounds trouble. Please make sure you nullify any written contract. And in future, I would recommend an entertainment lawyer write up any contract. It's a little pricy, but worth it. And it protects the material and both writers.

Good luck. Write this off as good experience.

Stewart

Hahaha that's classic. If I were you I'd print that out and frame it. Douchebaggery attitude like that is so unique. Someone who's never done anything other than go to film school won't amount to anything with that piss poor attitude. It's good that you discovered this early on rather than getting too involved with this dingbat.

Thanks everyone for your help and support.  This has been a bit difficult for me, mainly just upset that he would actually say those things to me when I have been nothing but polite towards him.  But I'm moving on, putting this behind me.

In the contract, he gave me 1% of the work.  Honestly, I don't give a damn if I still own it or not, because based on some stuff he sent me, this movie is going to be shit, if it's even made at all.  Wouldn't want my name attached to it for the rest of my life...  (If anyone's still curious, I can still send you a snippet just to see what I disagreed with that pissed him off so much, and see who is right and wrong here - trust me, it's laughable)

Thanks again for helping me through all this!

Hey Rock.

Quoted from your 'collaboration' partner The final straw? How dare you you ungrateful little shit. You're just to ignorant to realize the opportunity I offered you and were to busy wanting to argue. GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol.  Sounds like something an agent would say rather than a writer.  Sounds like you didn't lose too much in this little fiasco, and you can chalk it up as experience.

You can send a little snippet of your guys' (or his  :-) work if you'd like.  I wouldn't mind taking a look at it and I'll give my opinion.  My e-mail is markielyons@yahoo.com.

I do have a question, though.  Has this guy been active on the SimplyScripts boards before, do you know?  And if so, what's his name?  (You can PM me his name if he is a member.  There's no point in escalating this anymore if he's still around.  I'm just curious.)

Also, if you want to direct me to one of your stories on SS, I'd like to take a look.  Just give me the link for one of them.

- Mark

My momma always said...
Give an a-hole enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

I too am in the early stages of picking folks I want to work with here in town.
And the biggest criteria for me is, communication.

Am I and this individual on the same page?
Do we get each other excited about projects that interest us?
Can we effectively talk about a point of disagreement?
Are we able to not downward spiral into personal junk when we debate?
Do we have the skills/contacts to mutually benefit each others' careers?

If I can't answer yes to those questions, it's likely not to work out.

Look at this way... you'll never make that same mistake again.
And in the end it doesn't seem like it cost you much. So yay!

Regards,
E.D.

Quoted from greg Hahaha that's classic. If I were you I'd print that out and frame it.

This made me LOL because it's exactly what I would do. Those email exchanges are worthy of being put on the refrigerator.

Sorry it didn't work out with your collaborator, rock.