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eldave1
Posted: July 17th, 2020, 1:47pm Report to Moderator
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This flies in the face of everything we've been told about how the virus spreads.  Gatherings orders of magnitude smaller than those protests, indoor or outdoor, have been vilified as akin to murder. But the protests happened, often with the tacit approval of local leaders, and you'd never where looking at Covid case maps.



No, not really. All of the protests were outdoors and in most of them. most of the participants were wearing masks.  

I agree with you on the shutdowns as I think most are wrong-headed.

e.g., I get shutting down bars, indoor restaurants - etc as by definition you can't participate without a mask on. I disagree with shutting down retail, hair and nails and the like because you can do those with a reasonable degree of protection. Again - not to beat a dead horse - but if you really need to close down hair salons, planes, buses and trains should be grounded as well.

What we know is that the virus spreads most rapidly in enclosed spaces (bars, churches, etc.) through respiratory exhalations.  


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DeBlasio did send cops to break up an outdoor funeral, then supported protests orders of magnitude larger. And I was there in NYC... after dark they were NOT mostly wearing masks.

The courts have already struck down the lockdowns aimed specifically at religious services as failing to follow a rational basis. Itís pretty obvious that a lot of others would fall if challenged in court given what we now know about transmission in large groups outdoors.


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DeBlasio did send cops to break up an outdoor funeral, then supported protests orders of magnitude larger. And I was there in NYC... after dark they were NOT mostly wearing masks.

The courts have already struck down the lockdowns aimed specifically at religious services as failing to follow a rational basis. Itís pretty obvious that a lot of others would fall if challenged in court given what we now know about transmission in large groups outdoors.


Average deaths per million worldwide = 77. For the USA, that number is 430.
Average cases per million worldwide = 1,819/ For the USA that number is 11,400.

It is obvious given our vast resources we are doing the worst job on the planet.  We obviously need to course correct.


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Part of the issue with the numbers is (a) policies in several states that turned nursing homes into deathtraps, and (b) communist nations are putting out fictional numbers.

Not to say the US is doing well. Itís like thereís a serial killer on the loose, and our leaders are in a lengthy debate about what color socks the detectives should wear, and by God no detective is leaving this precinct until weíve settled this important sock issue.


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In the UK things are okay for now. We are opening back up and the rate of infection and deaths are fairly low, but still not as low as other countries were when they opened up, which means we are at a higher risk of a second wave.

Certain Towns/Cities are showing higher infections, so much so in Leicester they are back into an enforced lockdown for two weeks. Individual towns now have the power to enforce stricter measures if they see an increase in infections.

The problem we have is we still don't have a competent central government giving a clear, concise message, nor do we have adequate contact trace and track procedures and yet, we will be back to normal in August and back to school in September.

The only extra precaution to that is the government is ordering masks as mandatory in shops as of next week. Why they are waiting a week is beyond me. I went to the supermarket today. My wife and I were one of the few wearing masks. I think it's going to be a bit chaotic next week.

Meanwhile, in America every time I think the reality of the situation will wake people up it gets worse. I saw one governor suing a mayor after she enforced face masks in that area. Why would you sue someone for trying to save lives? The mayor in question has Covid-19 as does her family. She's trying to save lives while fighting this disease and he's trying to stop her - it is insane!

I do believe, as I have for a long time, that the Trump administration presents a clear and present danger to the US (and the world) and you guys can't wait until November (or January as the case would be even if he loses the election) to take action. The GOP needs to step up and say enough is enough.  In my opinion, of course.  


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Things are going well in New York.

Number of new cases lowered substantially. All the sick at hospitals are actually getting better - that's the word from the fields from two medical workers I know - one doctor, the other is an apothecary at a hospital pharmacy.

And the statistics for New York is not bad.

The airport still receives incomers to the city - my friend just landed from Saint Petersburg. This is not a good sign at all but the statistics still holds for some reason. Probably it's because so many are immune for it here developing anti-bodies.  

I took a subway a number of times this past week (as I'm looking for a place to live right now) and was impressed by people behavior. 6 feet distance and masks was observed by each and everyone! That came as a bit of shock to me. It was just weird to observe that. But great thing we're all doing. Good going, NYC!

And the protersters at the time of protests marched right by my windows so I could see them keeping the distance too. Very impressive.


Things are not good in my home country. It's at was with Armenia again. And now of all the times. People demand bigger war now. Right now it's only two of Azerbaijani villages that are under attack. So, people want to attack Armenia and return the lands that Armenia won from Azerbaijan in 1990s. And Azerbaijan has 3mil of refugees from that land, so they are not letting go. The president just wants for this attack to stop I think. People protest in Baku and it's crazy right now there.
Again, now of all the times...
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Part of the issue with the numbers is (a) policies in several states that turned nursing homes into deathtraps, and (b) communist nations are putting out fictional numbers.

Not to say the US is doing well. Itís like thereís a serial killer on the loose, and our leaders are in a lengthy debate about what color socks the detectives should wear, and by God no detective is leaving this precinct until weíve settled this important sock issue.


Yeah - but the nursing home fiasco is old news and there are tons of non-communist nations that are kicking on ass in their management of this. We are an embarrassment.

PS - Not only are the cops debating what color socks to wear - a good portion of them don't even believe that the serial killer exists and half of those that do believe he will go away on his own anyway.

We have fucked this up every which way one can.


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Feel for everyone in a part of the world that's still locked down.

My mates and I even got to go out to a bistro for a meal last night and it wasn't too much different to how things were before (QLD, Australia).

Lots of people queuing up outside bars and pubs trying to meet the person per square-metre quota, not social distacning, which IMO defeats the purpose.


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Quoted from MarkRenshaw
In the UK things are okay for now. We are opening back up and the rate of infection and deaths are fairly low, but still not as low as other countries were when they opened up, which means we are at a higher risk of a second wave.

Certain Towns/Cities are showing higher infections, so much so in Leicester they are back into an enforced lockdown for two weeks. Individual towns now have the power to enforce stricter measures if they see an increase in infections.

The problem we have is we still don't have a competent central government giving a clear, concise message, nor do we have adequate contact trace and track procedures and yet, we will be back to normal in August and back to school in September.

The only extra precaution to that is the government is ordering masks as mandatory in shops as of next week. Why they are waiting a week is beyond me. I went to the supermarket today. My wife and I were one of the few wearing masks. I think it's going to be a bit chaotic next week.

Meanwhile, in America every time I think the reality of the situation will wake people up it gets worse. I saw one governor suing a mayor after she enforced face masks in that area. Why would you sue someone for trying to save lives? The mayor in question has Covid-19 as does her family. She's trying to save lives while fighting this disease and he's trying to stop her - it is insane!

I do believe, as I have for a long time, that the Trump administration presents a clear and present danger to the US (and the world) and you guys can't wait until November (or January as the case would be even if he loses the election) to take action. The GOP needs to step up and say enough is enough.  In my opinion, of course.  


Sadly, it looks like your Country is heading the way of the US - Confusing reduction in virus with elimination of virus.

The starting next week things drive me nuts as well - it's either critical or it ain't.


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The starting next week things drive me nuts as well - it's either critical or it ain't.


The best one was sealing off Wuhan with one week's notice.

Political leaders in the US seem to be aligning on a "we must reopen" or "we must lockdown" axis, with relatively few people concerned about directed interventions to actually control the disease.


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The best one was sealing off Wuhan with one week's notice.

Political leaders in the US seem to be aligning on a "we must reopen" or "we must lockdown" axis, with relatively few people concerned about directed interventions to actually control the disease.


Indeed


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My (new) two cents...

Again, this is my firsthand experience with directly caring for COVID patients in the hospital. Those seriously ill and those not.

The virus in Florida is going strong though those that are critically ill are becoming predictable. Elderly, those with diabetes, hypertension and obesity are most affected. Young, middle aged healthy are least affected. While the number of cases are through the roof, there is a well defined demographic that is affected most severely. Despite our numbers here in Florida, those most at risk still fail to follow safety measures and continue to congregate at restaurants like nothing is happening. I feel for them. These are typically low educated, unhealthy people (majority of Americans) and are most at risk from dying. I'm still certain that many people (70% or more) will become infected before this is over and the outbreak will likely last into the fall. I do feel like things will slow down (regardless of whether these measures are followed or not).

That being said, I am still very wary of being in crowded places and continue to take precautions when I can. I am doing activities such as playing beach volleyball and rarely go to restaurants with outdoor seating. In retrospect, I do think Sweden had the right answer by letting those least at risk to continue with life as "normal" and quarantining those who were likely to get really sick.

The vaccine is right around the corner. And, like all other catastrophes we will get through this. I hope we gain a better understanding about how to deal with the next one in the future. It will happen again. Just hope we have good leadership next time to deal with it.

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My (new) two cents...

Again, this is my firsthand experience with directly caring for COVID patients in the hospital. Those seriously ill and those not.

The virus in Florida is going strong though those that are critically ill are becoming predictable. Elderly, those with diabetes, hypertension and obesity are most affected. Young, middle aged healthy are least affected. While the number of cases are through the roof, there is a well defined demographic that is affected most severely. Despite our numbers here in Florida, those most at risk still fail to follow safety measures and continue to congregate at restaurants like nothing is happening. I feel for them. These are typically low educated, unhealthy people (majority of Americans) and are most at risk from dying. I'm still certain that many people (70% or more) will become infected before this is over and the outbreak will likely last into the fall. I do feel like things will slow down (regardless of whether these measures are followed or not).

That being said, I am still very wary of being in crowded places and continue to take precautions when I can. I am doing activities such as playing beach volleyball and rarely go to restaurants with outdoor seating. In retrospect, I do think Sweden had the right answer by letting those least at risk to continue with life as "normal" and quarantining those who were likely to get really sick.

The vaccine is right around the corner. And, like all other catastrophes we will get through this. I hope we gain a better understanding about how to deal with the next one in the future. It will happen again. Just hope we have good leadership next time to deal with it.

Joseph


Concur with this


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Antifa is maybe a dozen dip-shits in Portland.

It isn't a thing.


Still feel the same? I just wish that whole thing would end, antifa or not, I don't think it's helping anyone's cause. I'm all for peaceful protests, just not liking what I'm seeing right now.

Corona positive cases are going up in the EU now. Bizarrely, Sweden seems to be happy that their strategy is now right??? A lot of people there refuse to wear masks. Idiots IMO. However, those who try to push the idea that only Trump supporters don't wear masks are wrong. These people are everywhere. Btw, pretty much everywhere I go now, I would say 99% of people wear masks. Those who don't tend to be female. Even older ones. I haven't figured out a reason for that yet...

In more positive news, I only know two people who have actually got ill with the virus and both of them have now been discharged from the hospital. One of them being 69, overweight and a diabetic, so I think, treatments for the illness have definitely got better.


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Still feel the same?


Yes.

Don't get me wrong.  There are absolutely some shitty protesters doing shitty, counterproductive things.

But these cries of "Antifa!" are simply pearl-clutching performance art for potus.  There are no leaders.  No clubhouse.  And DOJ has filed no Antifa cases.

It's just a FOX news fever-dream running b-roll from weeks ago.  Or even from Sarajevo!  (not a joke)

There is, however, a loosely-knit collection of pissed-off people with fireworks and paint cans -- and a few others mixed in, stirring up trouble for reasons of their own.


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