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Sorry, are you referencing towards me or Dave? Based on the rhetoric, I’ll assume it’s me.

Look, the only thing in my original post was about the weird things happening in ‘all’ media (left, right, MSM, conservative, alternative, etc.) regarding media looking more and more like a bizarre scripted movie, as well, all the strange things that have come to the forefront not related to the pandemic, almost as if that particular aspect of fear factor has been swept under the rug, and now everyone’s saying; “look here, not there… that (pandemic situation) doesn’t mean anything anymore, not that we have more important issues going on.”

I never mentioned the pandemic in my original post, Dave took it out of context, so I played along to appease his narrative; doesn’t mean either of us is right or wrong, they’re just opinions. I didn’t create a new thread for ‘Political Theater’, cause everything is (ultimately) interwoven with the onset of the pandemic situation anyway. I inadvertently tried to change gears on the subject to reflect on a different ideology surrounding the whole scene, and that’s the ‘Theater of the Absurd’ that appears to be unfolding everywhere simultaneously, like I said… a bizarre, scripted movie. I was just curious if anyone else took notice…

Oh, and… I never called anyone ‘stupid’ or ‘mislead’, (don’t put words down that I never said), but you sure got bent out of shape under the assumption I did. Not sure why. Maybe you need to take a bath , jump into your ‘Wookie Onesie’, and just chill the fuck out.


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I get up in the morning. Take the dog and cat outside. We check on the fish pond make sure everyone's okay. (we have a lot of predators). We go back inside, I turn on the news on TV and get online and shit seems crazy. Sometimes unbelievably scary. I get dressed and go to the grocery store and other places I need to run errands. Everything's normal. When that's done I go back home and check the news and online and shit's falling apart. I go back outside and do some yard work or house improvements and everything's fine. Back again online and on the news, we're all going to die. This has been the same pattern for years...


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I agree Pia, it’s always been about doom and gloom, especially someone else’s dirty laundry… people gobble that shit up like candy. I think -- what I really was trying to capitalize on is, that it’s become so much like a Hollywood movie now in the media, worse than ever. With all the Deep Fake this, and Body-double that, and ‘Green Screen’ sets, and AI technology their using for almost everything now… it’s  just become so mind-bending and deceptive that I literally cannot deduce what is real or not anymore.

Some (media channels, not all) say that a virus is crawling up our ass as we speak, yet some cities have fully opened with almost no concept of a pandemic ever existing. Some (countries) have their economy in triage, yet others have billions to send to other countries to prop them up… I feel like I’m taking crazy pills is all.

Like you say though, guess we all just need to unplug and work in the garden.


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Well, in California - very little is "normal."

Many businesses shuttered.

Zero capacity in our ICU/ER.  60% of all ICU beds now Covid related and climbing. I drove by the hospital closest to my house two days ago and it looked like a tent city.  Treatments in the parking lot.

We are now working on triage rollouts to determine who will not get treatment.





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Like you say though, guess we all just need to unplug and work in the garden.

If you by that mean that we need to bury our heads in the sand, that's not what I meant. I just think we can all do with a little less online stuff. None of us know how long we'll be here on this amazing earth, but I know I rather be with my family and experience nice things before I go than go crazy and stress out about shit people spew online. I quit Twitter years ago, because it seemed to feed on negativity and hate for example.



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I never mentioned the pandemic in my original post, Dave took it out of context, so I played along to appease his narrative; doesn’t mean either of us is right or wrong, they’re just opinions.


Perhaps because it was posted in the Covid thread....?


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If you by that mean that we need to bury our heads in the sand, that's not what I meant…


Lol, no I seriously meant unplugging from any and all media and working in the garden, I love gardening, with my head actually above the ground, lol. Mind you, it’s winter here now so… bummer, lots of snow to shovel for a few more months at least.


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Perhaps because it was posted in the Covid thread....?


Correct. My bad.


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If my phone tells me it is raining, when I go check for myself I sometimes find this is not true. This is the same principle for everything your devices tell you. Once in a while, go out into the world and check for yourself.

Myself, when things get complicated and crazy, I remind myself to keep things simple and I revert to Occam's Razor, in that the most straightforward explanation is the most likely to be true.

If I spot a dent in my car one morning, the most likely explanation is someone has either bumped into my car or deliberately vandalised it. There is a possibility a chunk of ice fell from an overhead plane during the night and landed on my car. There is a possibility a weird weather phenomena formed around my vehicle and there is even the possibility a passing UFO decided to have a bit of fun and zap my car with frikkin lazer beams.

All operate in the realms of possibility because I have no means of proving what actually occurred. I choose to believe in the accidental damage or vandalism option because that is the most straightforward explanation.

During World War II, there was a "Careless Talk Costs Lives" campaign across the UK and US. It was to prevent our enemies from gathering intel from idle conversations.

In an age where a news report or post on social media can travel the globe in a matter of minutes, I think we need a similar campaign to help battle the rising threat of misinformation.

A business person with no knowledge or experience of viruses or pandemics giving their opinion on national TV that COVID-19 isn't that serious costs lives.

A President claiming the election was stolen without any tangible proof that stands up to scrutiny costs lives.

Politicians lying about Brexit is costing livelihoods and will cost lives.

A shared conspiracy theory isn't a bit of harmless fun, it costs lives.

We need truth and transparency to turn this tide. Folks will be less inclined to believe rumours from the dark side of the web if their leaders told the truth, were more transparent in their dealings, and did the honourable thing if they were ever found acting in a manner which brought shame to their position.

In the last four years, we've seen the division and strife that lying leaves it its wake. It's time to take personal responsibility and remember that careless talk costs lives.

Sorry/not sorry for the long thread.


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This fits right in with what Mark said. A bit long, but still interesting.

https://www.thestreet.com/phil.....R7nqzYsmkCM0XQ178fUw


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A shared conspiracy theory isn't a bit of harmless fun, it costs lives.

We need truth and transparency to turn this tide. Folks will be less inclined to believe rumours from the dark side of the web if their leaders told the truth, were more transparent in their dealings, and did the honourable thing if they were ever found acting in a manner which brought shame to their position.

In the last four years, we've seen the division and strife that lying leaves it its wake. It's time to take personal responsibility and remember that careless talk costs lives.


Yes, with respect to Occam’s Razor, optics through all media channels, both mainstream and alternative, are particularly important to gauge what’s happening… but what if the alternative view does not line up with the “official” narrative that is put out by government-controlled media sources? Which is to be taken as true when all facets of the story are analyzed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act

[The U.S. Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 (Public Law 80-402), popularly called the Smith–Mundt Act, is the basic legislative authorization for ‘PROPAGANDA’ activities conducted by the U.S. Department of State, sometimes called "public diplomacy".]

Let’s view Propaganda:

[Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts in order to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language in order to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented.[1] Propaganda is often associated with material which is prepared by governments, but activist groups, companies, religious organizations, the media, and individuals also produce propaganda.]

What I was alluding to in the original post:

[The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which was contained within the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 (section 1078 (a)) amended the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 and the Foreign Relations Authorization Act of 1987, ALLOWING FOR MATERIALS PRODUCED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE BROADCASTING BOARD OF GOVERNORS (BBG) TO BE DISSEMINATED (WIDELY SPREAD) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.]

This, in effect, grants the governing body of The United States of America to quell any and all grassroots movements that appear as a threat to the ‘Governing Body’s Perceived Narrative’ by retaliating with their own form of propaganda and disinformation… “don’t look at what they’re saying, listen to what we’re saying… even if we are outright lying to coerce you into accepting the narrative we want you to accept.”

In addition… I believe you’re point on. Lies cost lives, regardless of who is spreading the propaganda.


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Quoted from MarkRenshaw
If my phone tells me it is raining, when I go check for myself I sometimes find this is not true. This is the same principle for everything your devices tell you. Once in a while, go out into the world and check for yourself.

Myself, when things get complicated and crazy, I remind myself to keep things simple and I revert to Occam's Razor, in that the most straightforward explanation is the most likely to be true.

If I spot a dent in my car one morning, the most likely explanation is someone has either bumped into my car or deliberately vandalised it. There is a possibility a chunk of ice fell from an overhead plane during the night and landed on my car. There is a possibility a weird weather phenomena formed around my vehicle and there is even the possibility a passing UFO decided to have a bit of fun and zap my car with frikkin lazer beams.

All operate in the realms of possibility because I have no means of proving what actually occurred. I choose to believe in the accidental damage or vandalism option because that is the most straightforward explanation.

During World War II, there was a "Careless Talk Costs Lives" campaign across the UK and US. It was to prevent our enemies from gathering intel from idle conversations.

In an age where a news report or post on social media can travel the globe in a matter of minutes, I think we need a similar campaign to help battle the rising threat of misinformation.

A business person with no knowledge or experience of viruses or pandemics giving their opinion on national TV that COVID-19 isn't that serious costs lives.

A President claiming the election was stolen without any tangible proof that stands up to scrutiny costs lives.

Politicians lying about Brexit is costing livelihoods and will cost lives.

A shared conspiracy theory isn't a bit of harmless fun, it costs lives.

We need truth and transparency to turn this tide. Folks will be less inclined to believe rumours from the dark side of the web if their leaders told the truth, were more transparent in their dealings, and did the honourable thing if they were ever found acting in a manner which brought shame to their position.

In the last four years, we've seen the division and strife that lying leaves it its wake. It's time to take personal responsibility and remember that careless talk costs lives.

Sorry/not sorry for the long thread.


Well said.

Those killed during the Salem witch trials would have benefitted greatly from that paradigm. Yeah.... I guess it's possible that they are witches - but two dozen people were executed because of that possibility.

I fear for people like Bill Gates. I am afraid one too many people are going to read something akin to he created the virus so that he could put chips in our bodies is going to do him harm. That type of harm nearly happened to the owner of Comet Pizza. Long-winded way of saying that misinformation is not without danger and risks to the targets of that mis-information. That is true on a micro-level (e.g., Gates) as well as a macro level (people being careless because they believe the virus came from 5G).

It also just fucking takes the oxygen out of the room for legitimate debates. e,g, there is a legitimate debate about the cost of business shutdowns vs. the cost of the disease those shutdowns are designed to prevent. Those legit discussions oft get derailed when they weave off into conspiracy land.








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This, in effect, grants the governing body of The United States of America to quell any and all grassroots movements that appear as a threat to the ‘Governing Body’s Perceived Narrative’ by retaliating with their own form of propaganda and disinformation… “don’t look at what they’re saying, listen to what we’re saying… even if we are outright lying to coerce you into accepting the narrative we want you to accept.”



No.

The original Act (194 authorized US propaganda in foreign lands (e.g., Voice of America and such). Release of that propaganda in the US was prohibited.

The 2012 amendment allows for the domestic dissemination of information and material about the United States intended primarily for foreign audiences. The rational l behind it was that with the advent of the internet and the unfettered access foreign actors have into US information chains that should be countered by allowing our State Dept the same access.

Now - one can seriously debate the merits of that action. I lean against the amendment as I think there is sufficient free market news to counter foreign influences anyway - i.e., the solution to the problem already exists within the free press.

BUT - that is a far cry from the government quelling any and all grassroots movements. Again - I disagree with the amendment - but it doesn't do what you say it does.





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No.

The original Act (194 authorized US propaganda in foreign lands (e.g., Voice of America and such). Release of that propaganda in the US was prohibited.

The 2012 amendment allows for the domestic dissemination of information and material about the United States intended primarily for foreign audiences. The rational l behind it was that with the advent of the internet and the unfettered access foreign actors have into US information chains that should be countered by allowing our State Dept the same access.

Now - one can seriously debate the merits of that action. I lean against the amendment as I think there is sufficient free market news to counter foreign influences anyway - i.e., the solution to the problem already exists within the free press.

BUT - that is a far cry from the government quelling any and all grassroots movements. Again - I disagree with the amendment - but it doesn't do what you say it does.


Dave, I’ve noticed that your M.O. appears to be consistent for all subject matter, regardless of what the debate topic is, or individual making the statement for debate.

First, discredit said ideology by opening with a simple statement: No
Then, regurgitate what was previously said, but with a different spin, as in your own interpretation or ideology.

They, propaganda slingers first state they do not engage in said activity by using pronouns such as “we” to divert association, then, in the next breath, forget to cover their ass by using the exact same references “we, I” restoring reference to themselves, inadvertently stating they ‘DO’ in fact use said techniques. It’s a win-win for all those paying attention as to what their motives are.

So I’ll skip out and allow a well-known political figure to elaborate on the tactics they use.



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Dave, I’ve noticed that your M.O. appears to be consistent for all subject matter, regardless of what the debate topic is, or individual
making the statement for debate.

First, discredit said ideology by opening with a simple statement: No
Then, regurgitate what was previously said, but with a different spin, as in your own interpretation or ideology.

They, propaganda slingers first state they do not engage in said activity by using pronouns such as “we” to divert association, then, in the next breath, forget to cover their ass by using the exact same references “we, I” restoring reference to themselves, inadvertently stating they ‘DO’ in fact use said techniques. It’s a win-win for all those paying attention as to what their motives are.

So I’ll skip out and allow a well-known political figure to elaborate on the tactics they use.




Rick, I’ve noticed that your M.O. appears to be consistent for all subject matter, regardless of what the debate topic is, or the individual making the statement for debate.

First - ignore the comment and instead assess the method of the argument rather than the validity of it.

Second - post an entertaining, barely tangentially related, video

Cheers




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Well now, that’s me told. All good, amigo. We’re just two civil (North) Americans having a civil (North) American debate about North America’s past, present, and future. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the PTA now wants us to clear the gymnasium for an upcoming spelling bee… or cookie bake off.

Cheers!


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