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Dustin
Posted: March 14th, 2020, 2:02pm Report to Moderator
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With there being no official Coronavirus thread, I figured I'd start one. Anyone here had it? Anyone want to get it?

As a 40-something (think early) fairly healthy individual, I'm not too worried about this new virus. However, there must be some here who are a little frightened given their age or health condition. What's your mindset? Are you going to hide from it and hope it never passes your way or are you not bothered, a Que, Sera, Sera attitude?

Whatever your attitude, I hope to see all of you still here on the other side of this.

Good luck all.




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Dustin,

I hope you don't mind me co-oping your thread.  I was meaning to post this very question, but Dustin beat me to it.  

I would love to hear the stories.  I'm thinking of putting up a related OWC in the midst of the 7WC.  

As for me, personally, the impact is minimal.  I work from home.  My wife and eldest are not working as they both teach, but the financial impact is minimal.  The Fat Kid will be coming home over the next couple of weeks due to the university closing the dorms and going 'virtual'.

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Quoted from Dustin
Anyone want to get it?

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I'm worried about my elderly parents who both have underlying conditions, coupled with the fact that my father is extremely gung ho about it.

As for myself, I'm on Hvar again while I finish my house there. As far as I'm aware there are no cases here, and only a few on mainland Croatia. I can theoretically isolate myself indefinitely. Ultimately, the quarantine can't last forever, though and the disease is coming for everyone.
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No panic here in Florida (north central) yet. My husband is very fit and trim. Works out every day and still keeps 65 hour work weeks and is just about a vegetarian. He is 65 though and has stage 2 CHF, so we are being extra careful. No visiting with grandkids. No visiting with anyone.

Here's a nightmare for some friends of ours. Older couple. Upper 60s. They went on a world cruise Jan 4th. Round trip from Ft. Lauderdale. They have just been informed that their cruise will end in a few days. So, instead of getting back to Fort Lauderdale in May, they will be getting off in Freemantle Australia. That's on the other freaking side of the planet!!! Most people on that cruise are older. 60-90. Many with some sort of disability that comes with that age. Imagine being dumped so far from where you were supposed to and then have to figure out how to get home. Especially with all these travel restrictions and stuff. Not to mention with all the luggage.


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Too many here (UK) believe the government plan of delaying infection means they will not get it. They don't understand that the measure is merely to protect the infrastructure of our health service. We're all going to get it (not that, Zack). Fortunately, many of us will not even realise we have anything more than a cold... but 15% of 80-year-olds will die from this. That's a very scary number.

I work from home too but, as I'm freelance, my work has been impacted... especially as a nice chunk of my earnings comes from China. However, I have just heard back from them today and things there will be back on track soon.


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My biggest fear was my kids - but reading up on the virus, kids are not really affected. I'm not fussed about catching it myself, the risk of it being serious for me seems low.

I've told my partner that she shouldn't visit her grandparents (especially with the kids) as they are already seriously ill, so not worth the risk.

As well as the risk to life for those with underlying conditions - There is also a major risk to the economy and small business, there will be a lot of casualties in that regard as well.

This also proves that the government should not trust us with big scary information - Based on the general reaction to coronavirus and the strange hoarding of crap roll, if the government ever discover that Aliens exist, they sure as shit will not tell us now


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I'm very worried about my parents. My mother is 71 and she is cancer. She has to go to hospital but I'm very afraid of there. Hospitals are most risky places.  There are only 6 people have been influenced in Turkey. But I know it will spread suddenly. Some Turkish people doesn't take it seriusly, after they come from the abroad. Ministery of Health especially told them to stay at home and not contact anyone. Some of them don't listen.
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My Dad is 95 and still insists on going to a HellHole of a casino in downtown St. Louis.  he's with my sister now, but she just told me today she had no idea how difficult it is to get normal simple daily supplies, as she hasn't shopped in some time, for some strange reason.

Grocery stores, Wallmarts, and Costco around me all have bare shelves and huge lines of peeps trying to horde shit.  Luckily, I always have a big stock of things on hand from the last time they were on sale, but even my supply will run out unless we get this shit under control.

The cancellations of so many sporting and entertainment events has me very worried that there may be more to this than we know, and the cost to the economy will be staggering.  I've lost almost $100K since the beginning of the month in the stock market, which has me very alarmed.


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The measures are highly suspicious. This may save burdening the NHS but what about people's livelihoods? It's not just the stock markets, but small businesses are being forced to close soon. The sporting events. This amounts to huge losses in revenue. It doesn't make sense.

Police here have also been given powers to detain infected people. The police carrying instant test kits? Or, are they stopping people who look like they may be ill?


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It's the ordinary working people that are going to suffer here. The government aren't losing a thing. It would be far better for the people if we all got it at once and just stayed at home. This would all be over in a month. Instead, we're staggering it out over months, and not just that but we're allowing our businesses to close and events stopped. I have a chess tournament tomorrow, probably be the last one for a while.

I honestly think this whole thing has been orchestrated to not only kill a bunch of old people we don't need anymore but to also bring in draconian enforcement measures to control us like never before. People agree to it too because they think it's for the best.

Viruses come and the human race adapts. That's the way of things. Let's just let this thing do its thing and then we can all carry on like we did before.


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Quoted from Dustin
I honestly think this whole thing has been orchestrated to not only kill a bunch of old people we don't need anymore but to also bring in draconian enforcement measures to control us like never before. People agree to it too because they think it's for the best.


I don’t want to, but… I’ll most likely agree that something is inherently strange about the whole quote/unquote “Pandemic” angle, considering other forms of Flu kill millions annually (on a global scale). Alas, it is what it is for reason’s not yet apparent to the mass of society. There’s definitely speculation as to exactly what this is however, (engineered bio-weapon, etc), and to what extent its creation was designed for; which appears to be a Frankenstein’s Monster.

… and then there’s this, which really throws a wrench into the machinations of why its genesis came from China:

https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/03/Telomeric-Poisoning-Exacerbates-Coronavirus.html

Maybe it’s a good idea to turn off the 5G signal on our modems in our homes for good, and just use the 2G signal available by default, that is… until they push 5G signal on society via cell towers. Damned either way, I guess.

For myself and my family, it’ll probably be business as usual, except my eldest’s University is closed, and my other daughter’s school is throwing in an extra week of closure before and after spring break; which equates to at least three weeks sitting around with our thumbs up our ass. We do have a lake house about an hour away fortunately, so… probably gonna go there for a week or so, invite a few friends out (after we delouse them on the driveway, of course) and get shitfaced with absolutely no ambition in sight, except maybe build a bonfire and smoke weed (not only is it legal to buy here, they’ll actually deliver it for you, lol), but there’s still snow on the ground here for another few weeks, and the lake is frozen solid till late April early May… oh well, what’re ya gonna do.

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Don, I'm surprised at you. Dropping the f-bomb like that in 2020 is simply not kosher...or did I just culturally appropriate by dropping the k-word  

Confusing times indeed.



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In regards the big C. I'm in Taiwan at the moment so I'm relatively lucky considering the proximity to China. I was also fortunate enough to have left Japan before it took hold there. It seems the Taiwanese government have used their SARS experience and really got on top of it early (if we are to actually believe them) There are less cases here than my home country of Ireland.

Everyone is wearing masks like an apocalyptic movie even though they are meant to be ineffective. Hard to know what to believe, a lot of contradictory information out there. As a teacher, schools re-opened just two weeks later after Chinese New Year but considering what others are going through, the effect, so far, has been minor.

China's new-cases-per-day is down to single digits...or so they claim. Let's hope it's true and we're seeing things get better before they get worse.

I hope everyone is keeping safe and taking the necessary precautions.


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I'm a bit of a hypochondriac, I suppose (at least my wife tells me), so I'm worried, but not worried at the same time. I've had a cold for the past couple weeks, now I have a cough, which was diagnosed as bronchitis. So... What does this mean? No clue, but taking my meds, washing my hands and covering my mouth when I remember to like a good little boy. My three kids just got 5 weeks off from their elementary school, until April 20, so there goes Daddy's writing time down the tubes with all the toilet paper.


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My three kids just got 5 weeks off from their elementary school, until April 20, so there goes Daddy's writing time down the tubes with all the toilet paper.


Noise-cancelling headphones always do the trick for me.


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I don’t want to, but… I’ll most likely agree that something is inherently strange about the whole quote/unquote “Pandemic” angle, considering other forms of Flu kill millions annually (on a global scale). Alas, it is what it is for reason’s not yet apparent to the mass of society. There’s definitely speculation as to exactly what this is however, (engineered bio-weapon, etc), and to what extent its creation was designed for; which appears to be a Frankenstein’s Monster.

… and then there’s this, which really throws a wrench into the machinations of why its genesis came from China:

https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/03/Telomeric-Poisoning-Exacerbates-Coronavirus.html

Maybe it’s a good idea to turn off the 5G signal on our modems in our homes for good, and just use the 2G signal available by default, that is… until they push 5G signal on society via cell towers. Damned either way, I guess.

For myself and my family, it’ll probably be business as usual, except my eldest’s University is closed, and my other daughter’s school is throwing in an extra week of closure before and after spring break; which equates to at least three weeks sitting around with our thumbs up our ass. We do have a lake house about an hour away fortunately, so… probably gonna go there for a week or so, invite a few friends out (after we delouse them on the driveway, of course) and get shitfaced with absolutely no ambition in sight, except maybe build a bonfire and smoke weed (not only is it legal to buy here, they’ll actually deliver it for you, lol), but there’s still snow on the ground here for another few weeks, and the lake is frozen solid till late April early May… oh well, what’re ya gonna do.

Godspeed.


I don't think this thing is dangerous to society as a whole. It will likely kill a million people (in the UK out of 65 million) but the rest of us (counting myself amongst the 'us') will survive and adapt an immunity. Unless Coronavirus mutates again and then we could catch it again.

My main concern is the powers the government is taking and we are giving to them due to this fear. In Spain, police are stopping people to ask them where they are going, and you must carry ID. What does that have to do with preventing the spread of a virus that is, sooner or later, going to infect everyone anyway?

They're closing businesses and stopping people from going to work... they're deliberately impoverishing the working class.

This virus cannot be stopped, it can merely be delayed... why destroy healthy people's lives too?


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For me:

My wife's 95 year-old father lives with us and my Mom is 85 - both with underlying health conditions.

Me - I'm 63 and a smoker (no lectures at the moment please) but have developed my own personal theory that  the virus  can not survive in smoke.

Not a conspiracy type person - but in my gut I just have a gnawing suspicion that there's some shit they are not telling us. As an example, here in the US we shut down about a trillion dollars of sports in a blink - Hard for me to believe that this was not a coordinated effort and that these guys were given some holy shit information.  Certainly hope I'm wrong.

The rise of stupid behavior continues to astound me. Like we are social distancing and all afraid other than when it comes to jamming ourselves with a thousand people in a Costco. WTF? If you are afraid enough to hoard supplies, why aren't you too afraid to go into the Costco petri dish???

Today was another grand example: The lines for the travelers coming home from Europe trying to be screened/tested in order to get through customs at Chicago O'Hare airport.  Thousands of passengers waiting shoulder to shoulder in line  for six to eight hours, crammed in an enclosed space like sardines so that once they get through they can start the process of social distancing. It's almost like someone said - how can we make sure we get as many people infected as possible at the airport?



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I'm a property manager so I have to keep the welfare of 1200 business occupants plus staff of engineers and custodians in mind... and I'm scheduled to move my mom from a sub-acute facility to a long-term care facility tomorrow, in the midst of a pandemic.  Daunting, to say the least. We've had one building occupant report flu-like symptoms and this individual took a test on Thursday and we're awaiting the results... if positive, my office park will close for a complete sanitizing.

Businesses, including my corporate location, have voluntarily decided to work from home for a week or two... those that haven't officially done so have encouraged those who can to work from home... so offices will be ghost towns...

Non-essential retail is shuttered as well...

This is real. Dr. Anthony Fauci said that the US could be Italy if we do not flatten the curve by social distancing.

A new reality.

Planet Earth telling us that we're just ants crawling on its surface, and it may shake us all off at its whim, like a dog to flies, any time it wishes.

Personally, I'd prefer the 6 mile wide asteroid, which ends all life in one fell swoop, and allows us to crawl from the primordial sludge millions of years from now, and perhaps evolve the correct way next time...

Happy Sunday, everyone!

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Don, I'm surprised at you. Dropping the f-bomb like that in 2020 is simply not kosher...or did I just culturally appropriate by dropping the k-word  

Confusing times indeed.


The Fat Kid is a translation of his nickname - 小胖 .  Coincidentally, my wife is originally from Taiwan and the lesson's learned from SARS came in handy as they have the lowest infection rates. Her rationale for everyone wearing masks is that while ineffective in preventing getting the infection, they are effective in limiting transmission from those who may unwittingly be contagious.  

Last night we went to the grocery store on the off chance there was some corned beef still around (there was!). It was an interesting sociological experience on what foods humans found important.  Potatoes, onions and peppers (but not habaneros) gone.  Short grain rice - gone.  Jasmine and brown rice - plenty.  Beans - dry and canned  - gone.  Pasta (save whole wheat pasta and rigatoni oddly enough - gone).  Plenty of corned beef and bratwurst.  All other meats gone.  

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I needed some things from the grocery store, so I weighed going there vs ordering online with delivery. I decided to go there first thing this morning. If it was crowded I was going to turn around and go home, but when I got there, I was the only customer. All the shelves were stocked and nothing missing!!! I have to say that Publix is amazing. I was blown away.


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Good call, Dustin

If writers can’t debate this, or share stories, who can?

As for personal health, I don’t fear this, or for my children. We’ll get by.

But I do for my parents - the percentages are alarming and they (84 years old with retaking issues) are high risk. It then goes on to how should I visit them, as they live next door. Am I friend or foe?

I also fear for normal life. For jobs, for companies, for the government’s ability to manage.

We live in an island which in the one hand helps us, but also exposes us - we need transport links.

The next few moths will be weird, with governments  having to do things perhaps not seen in a generation

On the one hand it’s a big picture, on the other very personal.

I do enjoy the following YouTube video in the topic

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4&feature=youtu.be

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I am in Brooklyn New York, my daughter stays at a dorm in Manhattan and my mother (73) is in Baku, Azerbaijan.

I pray nobody gets sick as I wouldn't know what to do. My mother lives alone.

Now my daughter is stubborn about moving in with me. She goes to school as she's a musician and has to practice playing and composing. The school stopped its in-class activities but she still goes. And she says a lot of kids still come as well.  She started to understand the seriousness of the situation just now but still refusing to move in with me. She has a keyboard at home, which we'll take to my place in case she'd want to come for a month or so. But she doesn't like that thing. She wants the real piano.
I don't know who to worry about, my mother or my daughter.
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Gatherings of 500 people or more have been cancelled, so sporting events have no crowds, all the music gigs are getting postponed or cancelled. First world problems.

But most importantly this will be known as the year of the great toilet paper crisis. Australians have gone and lost their bloody minds.

Not feeling the effects of this personally yet, other than the lack of toilet paper, but I just want to get it and be done with it. I could use a good 14 day Netflix and writing binge.

I don't have a lot of family and all the older ones have already past away. The rest of my family are super healthy and fit ultra marathon runners. I think the only person who's as at any risk is me, being the most unhealthy of everyone in my family, so really no risk at all.

I do have a lot of morbid curiosity about how far this will go and how bad things will get, so I'm watching with interest.


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Why is nobody asking if this will effect ufc 249?

You lot are sociopaths!
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...seriously though it’s a pretty unreal experience. It’s beyond me to know who seriously I should take it.
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I'm pretty sure I already had this. It was a real bad flu, exactly the same symptoms as Coronavirus. One of the first people in the UK to get it arrived home from China on the 31st December, he had the coronavirus and lived a mile or so away from me. I was ill around the 20th January and it lasted more than 2 weeks. The shiver and high temps etc, lasted a few days but then I felt really fatigued for 10 days or so and even after that I wasn't right. All told, it took me over a month to fully recover. My kids all had it and were fine, only out for a few days. Only one of my kids had it bad and was down for 3 weeks. He's fine now. We didn't go to the doctors as we assumed it was just an ordinary respiratory virus... but it seems too much of a coincidence to me. I've only gone down that bad a few times in my life. The last time was swine flu... but this one was worse than that. I had heart palpitations and they lasted quite a while after I felt well again. That's cleared up now though. So, I'm hoping that I've already had it!


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Yikes! People are totally freaking out, look at how folks are acting at the grocery stores, and buying all of this toilet paper, and on social media spreading these media driven fear monger articles. It's crazy. I just hope everyone tries to stay calm.  Stress causes more damage to the immune system and can compromise you to the point that if you contract it then it could be a bigger issue than it should be.-A


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I swear this said Journal of the Plaque Year yesterday.
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I swear this said Journal of the Plaque Year yesterday.


A,


Yes, it probably did.  I had a db issue yest and had to move the thread.

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Wonder if many of us will use this time to actually write more... and hopefully not loads of virus/zombie/apocalypse stuff.
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I don't think this thing is dangerous to society as a whole. It will likely kill a million people (in the UK out of 65 million) but the rest of us (counting myself amongst the 'us') will survive and adapt an immunity. Unless Coronavirus mutates again and then we could catch it again.

My main concern is the powers the government is taking and we are giving to them due to this fear. In Spain, police are stopping people to ask them where they are going, and you must carry ID. What does that have to do with preventing the spread of a virus that is, sooner or later, going to infect everyone anyway?

They're closing businesses and stopping people from going to work... they're deliberately impoverishing the working class.

This virus cannot be stopped, it can merely be delayed... why destroy healthy people's lives too?


I don't think it is the death rate that has governments concerned. I think it is when they die that is the concern.

Like in the USA, we have about 1 million hospital beds. Now, many of those are already in use. Let's say that 30% are vacant at any one time and you have 300,000 available beds. Once that figure is overwhelmed with the virus cases, then not only will virus deaths escalate (keeping in mind that the current death rates are with treatment - that will go up with no treatment), but death rates from strokes, heart attacks, asthma, etc will also increase due to the unavailability of beds.  Add to that, the limited number of ventilators, medical personnel, hazmat suits, stc.

So. long winded way of saying that I tend to agree with you that the spread is inevitable.  I'd like to see more USA efforts focused on what to do given the inevitably of the spread. e.g., how do you get patients from one area with no hospital capacity to the other areas where there is high hospital capacity, should we start immediate training for military personnel in basic treatment procedures, can we ramp up ventilator production  - a WWII like effort, etc. etc. There seems to be too little focus on the logistics of handling the inevitable spread vs. trying to stop it.



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Some more information for you guys to digest. You may not realise that four of the cold viruses in circulation today are actually Coronaviruses. So we've all had this before. This is merely a slightly more deadly incarnation. There are other versions too like H5N1, another coronavirus originally only found in birds that once it jumped to humans kills 60% of those infected. It is actually possible to catch this but you would have to be very unlucky. The mortality rate and its debilitating effects means that it isn't very contagious. But, if you get it, chances are, you're toast.

This one, COVID 19, is highly infectious because it is less deadly. With COVID 19, one can be asymptomatic and never display any symptoms until recovery... ergo, never being aware they were ever infected.

Everyone here needs to mentally prepare themselves to get sick. Just as we do when a bad flu is going through the family and we know, sooner or later, it will be our turn to fight. This is no different. Many of us will hardly notice it, but for those who do, especially if you're in the vulnerable bracket, do not panic, remain self-aware... and meditate.


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Quoted from Dustin
Some more information for you guys to digest. You may not realise that four of the cold viruses in circulation today are actually Coronaviruses. So we've all had this before. This is merely a slightly more deadly incarnation. There are other versions too like H5N1, another coronavirus originally only found in birds that once it jumped to humans kills 60% of those infected. It is actually possible to catch this but you would have to be very unlucky. The mortality rate and its debilitating effects means that it isn't very contagious. But, if you get it, chances are, you're toast.

This one, COVID 19, is highly infectious because it is less deadly. With COVID 19, one can be asymptomatic and never display any symptoms until recovery... ergo, never being aware they were ever infected.

Everyone here needs to mentally prepare themselves to get sick. Just as we do when a bad flu is going through the family and we know, sooner or later, it will be our turn to fight. This is no different. Many of us will hardly notice it, but for those who do, especially if you're in the vulnerable bracket, do not panic, remain self-aware... and meditate.


True - but they are not all " Novel" corona viruses. e.g., new with no vaccine. We have a vaccine for H5N1 as an example. But all in all - agree - mentally prepare to be sick.


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"What can I do to avoid catching it?" can be a tricky, mental exercise.

I read a helpful frameshift today.  Pretend you've got it.  Then, the question becomes, "What should I do to ensure I do not infect anyone else?"

In terms of daily living, this is a simpler question, suggesting a clear set of behaviors that will minimize risk all-around.

And the answer, of course, is to become a hermit and write a brilliant script.


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I am in Brooklyn New York, my daughter stays at a dorm in Manhattan and my mother (73) is in Baku, Azerbaijan.

I pray nobody gets sick as I wouldn't know what to do. My mother lives alone.

Now my daughter is stubborn about moving in with me. She goes to school as she's a musician and has to practice playing and composing. The school stopped its in-class activities but she still goes. And she says a lot of kids still come as well.  She started to understand the seriousness of the situation just now but still refusing to move in with me. She has a keyboard at home, which we'll take to my place in case she'd want to come for a month or so. But she doesn't like that thing. She wants the real piano.
I don't know who to worry about, my mother or my daughter.


Khamanna,

We're in the same boat.  The Fat Kid is going to stay on campus until the last minute before returning home.  He is generally pretty responsible and realizes if he gets sick, he'll have to say in his room.  

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Wonder if many of us will use this time to actually write more... and hopefully not loads of virus/zombie/apocalypse stuff.


Max,

Interestingly, there has  been a marked decrease in script submissions last week and this week.

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Turkey will pass Italy I'm very worried. It is like a nightmare.

                  Italy     Turkey
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3. day           3              5
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6. day           21           47
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Turkey will pass Italy I'm very worried. It is like a nightmare.

                  Italy     Turkey
1. day           3              1
3. day           3              5
5. day           21           18
6. day           21           47
10.day          323
20. day        3089
25.day        10149
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Quoted from Burcu
Turkey will pass Italy I'm very worried. It is like a nightmare.

                  Italy     Turkey
1. day           3              1
3. day           3              5
5. day           21           18
6. day           21           47
10.day          323
20. day        3089
25.day        10149
30.day         27980


The whole point of this thread is that you don't worry. Everyone is going to get it so pointing out the spread does not help anybody. This is just a bad flu. Most will survive, so let's all look forward to this thing being over and getting on with our lives. Probably best to get it now and have done with it. But, it depends on your personality. When there's a fight to be had, I'd rather just get it over with. I'm not checking my movements at all and I've debated furiously the closing of the chess leagues I'm a member of.

However, stupidity and fear are rife amidst the barely-sentient majority. So, we're all fucked as a result.


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Khamanna,

We're in the same boat.  The Fat Kid is going to stay on campus until the last minute before returning home.  He is generally pretty responsible and realizes if he gets sick, he'll have to say in his room.  

Don


Well I put my foot down and she moved in with me today. Might be she just realized we have to stick together this time. I used a number of tricks, promised to cook together and watch plenty of operas. Man am I going to regret the last one.
But I’m glad she’s home.
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I'm trying the 'ignorance is bliss' option but Covid-19 is the only thing showing on TV at the moment.  

And the bare supermarket shelves prove I can't seem to stay in this state of denial.

I just noticed this:

https://qz.com/1819462/universal-is-releasing-its-current-movies-online-because-of-coronavirus/

I hope it applies to Oz.
... Cause I really wanted to see The Invisible Man today but Hubby voted: No.


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Quoted from LC
I'm trying the 'ignorance is bliss' option but Covid-19 is the only thing showing on TV at the moment.  

And the bare supermarket shelves prove I can't seem to stay in this state of denial.

I just noticed this:

https://qz.com/1819462/universal-is-releasing-its-current-movies-online-because-of-coronavirus/

I hope it applies to Oz.
... Cause I really wanted to see The Invisible Man today but Hubby voted: No.


You should have gone by yourself and then come home faking a terrible cough - you know, just to mess with him


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I'm about the get a $$$ screwing.

Supposed to to to Hawaii April 3rd. Bought tickets for my wife, daughter, me and son-in-law and rented a beach front condo for ten days. Cost around $10Gs.  I bought travel insurance for all of this (about $500 in total). So, thinking that they may ban domestic air-travel sometime in the next few weeks started looking at my what if I have to cancel options.

Well, turns out there's a clause in the insurance contract that says they do not cover any cancellations due to epidemics. WTF???? So, I'm covered if I get sick from this thing, not covered if I can't travel because someone else might get sick. Doesn't seem right.  Anyway - working on some kind of credit with the airlines - right now their only option is a re-booking within a time frame  that doesn't work for me - but the condo folks are going to stick me for the bill whether or not I can make it.

I need a bail out!


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That sucks BIG time Dave! I'm supposed to go on a cruise with my daughter and granddaughter Oct 4th. I don't have to pay in full until July, but now they're saying this virus most likely will come back in the fall again. I won't lose a lot of money if I cancel, just the deposit, but still. This will have long term devastating effects on some industry, I think.  


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That sucks BIG time Dave! I'm supposed to go on a cruise with my daughter and granddaughter Oct 4th. I don't have to pay in full until July, but now they're saying this virus most likely will come back in the fall again. I won't lose a lot of money if I cancel, just the deposit, but still. This will have long term devastating effects on some industry, I think.  


On a lot of folks. Big business, small business - just people.

My daughter is a wedding planner - she is getting slammed with cancellations. I know a couple of restaurant owners - devastated. California just closed every thing down other than take out.

Nasty ride


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Dave, I hope they get lots of people complaining and rectify the situation with the proper refunds. This is an extraordinary time and decent businesses are trying to protect their reputations, so I'll cross my fingers for you they do the right thing. ... Unlike all the people who've gone barmy at the supermarkets.

P.S. We went to a wedding a week ago just before everything ramped up. I thought people might cancel but it went ahead. A week later it probably would have been cancelled.



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i'm a 40 year old compulsive hand washing, germaphobic introvert who works from home and hasn't had a fever in a decade.  So this hygiene obsessed, social distancing, pandemic life is just like any other day for me.

i live in a small town in california. while the grocery stores are busy and things like rice and toilet paper are no where to be found, there's still plenty of food to be had. so no worries on that front.

i just wish they would stop dragging this out and just lock us all down already... the faster they do it, the faster things can get back to normal again. let's just get it over with.. and maybe we'll be out by mid summer and can still have an NFL season.




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No need then to remind you Penoyer to wash your hands.   Hope you're not too freaked out by all this.

Maybe some hand lotion in between washing?
All of us are going to have skin that looks positively reptilian with all the sanitizer and soap... And repeat.


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i just wish they would stop dragging this out and just lock us all down already... the faster they do it, the faster things can get back to normal again.


Ok, guys... it seems some of you don't understand why we're being locked down. We're being locked down so as to delay the virus... not stop it. You're going to get it. The virus survives on surfaces for days. So, no matter how well you hide, sooner or later, even years from now, you will get it. The lockdown merely means that your health service doesn't have to cope with all the sick and dead people all at once. So, the 'delay' is to stagger the sick and deaths over a longer period.

This virus is not going anywhere. It is going to be here every year just like swine flu is. Do people still worry about swine flu? The reason you don't is that you have already had it, whether you realise it or not, and your body has built immunity. This doesn't mean you can't get it again, it simply means your immune system is more likely to recognise it before it gets the chance to replicate throughout every cell in your body.

The same is true of this new Coronavirus. If you want this over, then we should all just get it right away and within two months the planet will be back to normal... aside from the mass graves.

We are in a 'delay' phase. Delay doesn't mean never, it means just not yet.


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What is true of this and all viruses, as far as I am aware, is that they don't like high temps. When we get hot that is actually our immune system responding to the virus and literally zapping it with heat (this is also why you should allow your body to do its thing and not drop your temps with painkillers too often). So, maybe if you have access to a sauna this will help kill it early before it gets chance to replicate?


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I'm about the get a $$$ screwing.

Supposed to to to Hawaii April 3rd. Bought tickets for my wife, daughter, me and son-in-law and rented a beach front condo for ten days. Cost around $10Gs.  I bought travel insurance for all of this (about $500 in total). So, thinking that they may ban domestic air-travel sometime in the next few weeks started looking at my what if I have to cancel options.

Well, turns out there's a clause in the insurance contract that says they do not cover any cancellations due to epidemics. WTF???? So, I'm covered if I get sick from this thing, not covered if I can't travel because someone else might get sick. Doesn't seem right.  Anyway - working on some kind of credit with the airlines - right now their only option is a re-booking within a time frame  that doesn't work for me - but the condo folks are going to stick me for the bill whether or not I can make it.

I need a bail out!

Hope you get your refund or at the very least be credited in full.
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The thing is they did suppress it in China. It’s being greatly contained and at a rapid slow down. The regime helped tho I believe.
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Just went to the Aldi near my work, tucked away in the hills of the Cotswolds - seems those poshies like to panic buy and hoard food as well.

No toilet roll, pasta, sauces, beans - Fresh meat section almost picked clean which I thought was odd - Yet there was plenty of packet food (noodles, instant pasta, risotto)

The shop had limited every single item to 4 max - which means I can only get a 2 day supply of baby food at a time which pisses me off - shelves were crammed with baby food.

My office is running on a skeleton crew from now on so I'm only in 2 days a week - Work is where I do most of my writing lol my 7WC may suffer as a result.


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Another thing I thought of... kids are seemingly immunish and if we look at kids... not like that, Zack (too far?)... what do they do a lot of? They do a shit ton of exercise. So, if you haven't worked out in a while, maybe it's time to get those endorphins flowing. On the plus side, the endorphin system is what's hijacked when you take cocaine, so the high is the same.

I'm still waiting for my work to come in so I've been playing heaps of online chess. I'm a little bored. I've been fitting my own kitchen for around a month now... but I don't think I'm bored enough yet to finish it. Don't mention it to my gf. I've been using distraction techniques to make her forget about it.


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maybe it's time to get those endorphins flowing.


Does masturbation count? if so, I think I'm already immune


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Exercise is a good idea. Mentally and physically.


Just got off the treadmill. While I was power walking on it, I was watching Contagion! I've never seen it before, so the time flew.  

Had a lawn guy here earlier talking about, well, our lawn. We met outside and we kept our distance, so hopefully some businesses can still continue with just small adjustments to how we do things.

My daughter and her husband have both been sent home to work from there since Friday. Their problem is to try to entertain their 3yo daughter who is now getting rather restless. I keep telling them that there's nothing wrong with kids being bored. That's when they develop their imagination and creativity.

Our daughter-in-law is a midwife and they've had a confirmed case at that hospital, so no physical contact with their family for the last two weeks.  


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I just got back from a ski vacation late Sunday and am catching up on this thread. Timed it right as the resorts all closed the last day of the trip. Soooo many seasonal workers (I used to be one of them) that are truly screwed as many have regular off-season jobs that wouldn't normally start for months and may not at all this year.

The flight back (a short 1.75-hr. flight) was amazing! The Delta plane was the absolute cleanest cabin I've ever flown. Kudos to Delta.

Walked into the office yesterday morning and was immediately swept into the boardroom as they'd activated our Incident Management Team and were assigning tasks. I'm a health and safety manager for a global mining company and our corporate office had activated their crisis management team. By the end of the day, we had determined critical roles and are now, for the next 15 days, working from home.

Me? I'm cynical as hell. I'm sure my wife had this six weeks ago and a number of my coworkers. Yeah, they had wicked bad flu-like symptoms and a cough that lasted weeks but all good now. I get the process of slowing the flow and taking the heat off the healthcare system but, holy shit, is this fucking up the rest of the systems.

Zack - I haven't forgotten about the 7-wk challenge. It looks like I've time on my hands now.
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Haha! My wife just mentioned an interesting thought...anyone consider the baby-boom that's going to hit in around New Years?! More Boomers...ugh.
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No toilet roll, pasta, sauces, beans - Fresh meat section almost picked clean which I thought was odd - Yet there was plenty of packet food (noodles, instant pasta, risotto)

We don’t have pasta and rice or packet foods but plenty of veggies and strangely meats


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The shop had limited every single item to 4 max - which means I can only get a 2 day supply of baby food at a time which pisses me off - shelves were crammed with baby food.

they should have said 4 in regards to toilet paper and some essential foods. Baby food shouldn’t be 4, what r they thinking!
Now I understand why people rushed to stores to stack up forever.
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Haha! My wife just mentioned an interesting thought...anyone consider the baby-boom that's going to hit in around New Years?! More Boomers...ugh.


https://www.msn.com/en-in/news.....-BB11gXnQ?li=AAggbRN

It was first reported by the daily mail, so I doubt it's accuracy - but still, the headline made me laugh


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they should have said 4 in regards to toilet paper and some essential foods. Baby food shouldn’t be 4, what r they thinking!
Now I understand why people rushed to stores to stack up forever.


I was annoyed, and the poor chap on the till bore the brunt. But he had a "computer says no" attitude. Ironically the baby food was the best-stocked item lol


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Haha! My wife just mentioned an interesting thought...anyone consider the baby-boom that's going to hit in around New Years?! More Boomers...ugh.


Coronials?


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Yeah, what's the obsession with hoarding bog roll? Can't one just wash one's ass out in the shower if it comes to that?



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Can't one just wash one's ass out in the shower if it comes to that?



That's how I was raised to do it.




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Me? I'm cynical as hell. I'm sure my wife had this six weeks ago and a number of my coworkers. Yeah, they had wicked bad flu-like symptoms and a cough that lasted weeks but all good now.


Yes, the same here. Exactly the same symptoms as this new Coronavirus. I'm pretty sure I, and my immediate family, have had it already.

So, why are they closing shit down and destroying livelihoods? The delay argument is losing weight with each day. Officially we have under 2k diagnosed, but unofficially this is believed to be more like 50k. On an island of 60mill or so, looking at the math, it doesn't look like we're going to make it another two months, let alone a year.


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That's how I was raised to do it.


Yup, more effective, more hygenic, less chance of residual skidmark-age upon jock cloth.

It's just the hassle of dropping trou and entering said shower purely for that reason post poo which docks it points. Convenience is king and plied paper certainly provides that.

However, in these big C times we all have those few extra minutes to spare to indulge in such activities.

I say, leave that extra roll for your fellow human on the store shelf, go forth and wash! Get that shower head right up in there!



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I've been fitting my own kitchen for around a month now... but I don't think I'm bored enough yet to finish it. Don't mention it to my gf. I've been using distraction techniques to make her forget about it.


Lol, I’m in the same boat as you right now; the kitchen’s been done, but I’m now trying to finish doing millwork on not one, but two gas fireplace’s, and my wife keeps nagging me to get it done so we can get a painter in to spray them… ain’t happening, lol. Mind you, the painter is a confirmed germaphobe so he say’s he’s not coming around anytime too soon. Good for me, (they) fireplace’s work just fine without paint, so fuck it.

Curious thing though, since this is a journal of the sorts, I’m just gonna rant a bit and revisit this later down the line to see what has changed, and for the better, I hope. So yeah, I’ve been renovating this home I’m in for 5 months now, and I knew there was shitload of work to be done when I bought it, but holy hell … I’ve renovated every square inch of this thing in one form or another since I’ve moved in, and I haven’t even started on the issues outside: not till the snow melts.

Here’s a cool thing to do that might blow your mind (that is, taking stock of your reality from the past), cause something inherently strange is going on with the way the Universe is talking to me over the years. I figured out (last summer) that I had gone through a significant move, and transition of my perceived reality, every 10 years of my life since I was born; born in1969, parents split up so I moved to my Dad’s 1979, moved out on my own in 1989, moved in 99 after I got married and wanted a bigger home for a family, moved in 2009 to an area outside of the city, then… came last summer and I said; “well, this is the year I break that cycle, cause there ain’t no freakin’ way in hell I’m moving from this home I love and poured my blood, sweat, and tears into for the last ten years, no damn way!”

Well, never say never, cause the Universe has a plan and we’re all part of what it wants to do. Two weeks later, after putting my foot down (to the powers that be) and stating I’m not moving anywhere… those powers that be simply forced me into early retirement, then forced my wife and two daughters to nag me relentlessly day and night to move back into the city to be closer to their schools, forced me to buy a new home before I even sold the one I was in, then as I’m still freaking out to what was happening and crying in a fetal position that I now own two freaking homes and can barely keep up with one, (the Universe) went and found a family from the Maritimes (that were in the prairies looking for a new home) to come and view my home that had just gone on the market, then make me a decent offer I couldn’t refuse, and boom… sold and I’m now officially moving - that fast. These people had looked at 22 homes in 4 days and settled on mine, I couldn’t believe it. My home was only on the market for 12 days…!

So yeah, I’ll never question the Universe and what plan it has for me in a any shape or form again.

Now, with this viral pandemic, I have come to terms that whatever happens with the powers that be and what it has in store for me and my family: is what it is. Because, every single time I moved (actually every 10 years) there was always a promise of something better (in my mind), but I quickly realized that it was only a promise of something different and almost never better than what it was previously, and it was usually fraught with elements of emotional hardship in some way or another. Curiously though, and every single time, (approximately) two years after those transitional moves, the Universe has also thrown me a bone, wherein my life not only does a 180 for the better, that better sometimes equates to something so surreal or awesome that I literally feel like I’ve crossed dimensions from one world to a place of pure Nirvana. Like the Universe had continuously forced me to change when I was complacent not to… alas, stasis equals death, and how can one grow otherwise than to force change in your life whether you want to or not.

So, as strange as this might sound, is Mother Earth on a cycle, and forcing all of society to go through a radical transformation at this time? I believe so, and it’s going to happen whether we want it to or not. She’s going to force us to shed a lot of our old world values and force the entire world to accept something new, I  want to say “New World” values, but I don’t want that statement to be thrown in with the collective ideology of ‘New World Order’ or any form of globalization coming to fruition. Regardless, whatever comes, I truly believe on the other side of this world pandemic, when it goes away (even if it’s for just a while) there will be a transition to a better place for all of society. What that better place will be? Well… that’s up to the Universe.

Has anyone else found out that their life has followed a definitive pattern since birth till now? I’d be curious to know. Cheers all.


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Yup, more effective, more hygenic, less chance of residual skidmark-age upon jock cloth.

It's just the hassle of dropping trou and entering said shower purely for that reason post poo which docks it points. Convenience is king and plied paper certainly provides that.

However, in these big C times we all have those few extra minutes to spare to indulge in such activities.

I say, leave that extra roll for your fellow human on the store shelf, go forth and wash! Get that shower head right up in there!



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Has anyone else found out that their life has followed a definitive pattern since birth till now? I’d be curious to know.


My wife and I realized more than 15 years ago that not a single long-term plan (>6 mos.) had ever come to fruition. Not a single one. We're lucky to plan 3 mos. in advance, so what do we do? No plans, be flexible and be minimalists. I'm in my current house now for 5 years, the longest I've lived in one domicile since 1981! Usually I relocate every three years. Damn near growing roots.

Maybe that's the pattern? Chaos? No moss on this rock.
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Just talked to our pool guy - his daughter took a flight last night from NYC (JFK) to Phoenix since her office closed for a month. She got a $69 RT flight and there was only one other person on the plane. She said JFK was a ghost town.
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Hahaha, love it!


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Regardless, whatever comes, I truly believe on the other side of this world pandemic, when it goes away (even if it’s for just a while) there will be a transition to a better place for all of society. What that better place will be? Well… that’s up to the Universe.


I agree with you. I think things will be better in the end, but there is going to be a lot of pain beforehand. A lot of people will be left in limbo. No job, nor any way to earn money.

I always thought it would be a war that would bring about the transition. History shows this to be the case most of the time. I always knew there was the possibility of a serious pandemic but I never imagined it would be this that is used to transition to the new age. It's fairly ingenious.

They can implement wartime rationing, control movement, and declare curfews all without being at war. They can also jab us with whatever chemicals they please and we will willingly allow it. Next time, there will not even need to be a real virus.

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Usually I relocate every three years. Damn near growing roots.


Wow! We built our house 31 years ago. We have no desire to move.  


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...Can't one just wash one's ass out in the shower if it comes to that?

Panicking and hoarding of toilet roll is ridiculous and people with healthy guts should be ashamed of themselves and just buy what they normally would.

Sorry to be graphic but spare a thought for those with Iinflammatory Bowel Disease, IBS, bowel cancer, older people with incontinence etc.  

Let's just say things often don't finish with just one sitting.


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It seems a stretch to think they'd kill possibly millions of people (worldwide) with the sole aim of allowing the old guard to die a somewhat honourable death. Unless other factors are thrown in like eugenics and the new government powers that can control an entire population like never before. We've all been getting very nationalistic (not that the US has ever needed any help there, haha) lately. This is why I thought world war three was imminent. I prefer the virus option out of the two - especially as I have a greater chance of survival and I don't have the worry of my sons being called up to die.

I never really understood the eugenics angle. The economy is based on population. The more births we have, the more this boosts our economy as it allows us to print so much per year without it affecting the value against the dollar. In our country, we have influxes of immigrants to make up for the lower birth rates we've been getting. It's really strange, but immigrants actually put money into the economy, yet the ignorant believe they are taking from it.

But control... I'll buy that one very easily. I'm already reading reports in the media that say suchlike: Those that ignore Coronavirus threat should be arrested.

This is very scary. This is the police state being put into action. Perhaps there will be benefits afterward, but they can implement this whenever they like. The fear and ignorance of the masses will always override good sense.


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Sorry to be graphic but spare a thought for those with Iinflammatory Bowel Disease, IBS, bowel cancer, older people with incontinence etc.  


Seems to me that if anybody is doing the hoarding of toilet roll it would be those with toilet roll at the forefront of their minds.

Perhaps this new police state will do something about it, like issue warrants to search the homes of anyone with incontinence, or IBS, etc. Fair enough, you need extra... but hoarding 3 years' supply is just not on. Maybe send them to jail for a bit where they will only get one roll a week.


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I thought I would use this crazy time to write more since I spend most of my time at home, but no. I can't concentrate at all and my mind keeps wandering and the news is always interrupting my train of thought.  


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I thought I would use this crazy time to write more since I spend most of my time at home, but no. I can't concentrate at all and my mind keeps wandering and the news is always interrupting my train of thought.  


Fuck yeah. Who the hell can write during this shit?


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Fuck yeah. Who the hell can write during this shit?


I'm doing my absolute worst.




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I'm doing my absolute worst.


Eh, you'll be fine, I'm sure. Personally, seeing as the kids are now home full time, I shall have zero time to write. Now, what about writing at night, you say? Can't do it. I tried. And like I said, with everything going on I don't think my mind would be in the right place.

But you keep going, Zack! And everyone in the 7WC! More power to ya.


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https://www.fox46charlotte.com.....oAX2sw93em_a3TFoY2nU

And someone forwarded me this. Do people really call 911 for that I wonder. Or police just want to make sure they don’t. Or the reporter is just being funny. But it gives me joy to know someone called 911 for that
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My daughter suddenly got a note from school that they have to vacate the premises before Monday. So we went today. And her roommate is crazy sick. She coughs non stop. Possibly she had it before. Either way we got exposed and my daughter wanted her things that were around the house. We had better trash those perhaps
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It's bloody nuts. At times like this, we should have the best of the best leading the helm and steering us forward. Instead, we have the worst, most corrupt and incompetent leadership in modern history.

Once the virus has finished it's course, the world is going to go into a recession the likes of which hasn't been seen since the great depression. Plus we've got Brexit of course. Jeez!

So yeah this may result in some good things and much-needed change. But there will be a lot of suffering beforehand and we need to kick the current ejits out and get the right leadership to take the human race forward.

Keep safe everyone and try to keep sane.


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Fuck yeah. Who the hell can write during this shit?


I can. I have five kids all at home at the moment. Noise-cancelling headphones ensures I don't hear anything but music while I write. They're not even an expensive pair. I originally bought a pair of Sony but sent them back because they didn't work. I then found a pair for around £25 that have worked fine for two years so far. They're not a brand you would recognise, I think.

here is a link to them on Amazon but they're sold out: https://www.amazon.co.uk/EFOSHM-Cancelling-Over-ear-Headphones-Case-Black-Black/dp/B01DXUJEWS?th=1


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https://www.fox46charlotte.com.....oAX2sw93em_a3TFoY2nU

And someone forwarded me this. Do people really call 911 for that I wonder. Or police just want to make sure they don’t. Or the reporter is just being funny. But it gives me joy to know someone called 911 for that



Someone I know had to call 111 for a non-coronavirus related thing (111 is a number for our national health service when you need urgent medical advice but is not an emergency)

Anyway, they were talking to the operator and the operator said people have been calling up with questions such as:
"Is my school open?"
"When is the next Sainsbury's delivery of toilet roll?"
"Does Corona beer cause Corona Virus?"



My relationship with mankind was already shakey before this outbreak, now I want a divorce.





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Does anyone know anyone else who has Coronavirus? I know of at least four people who believe they have it and their symptoms would suggest this is the case. All are fine.

For myself, I believe I have already had it... and it was quite bad for me. Then again, when I do get hit with flu it usually takes me down for a while. That's why I meditate as it can be quite scary when you're actually going through it. Well, I call it meditation, it's just my own version of it. I'm not a Buddhist.


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Someone I know had to call 111 for a non-coronavirus related thing (111 is a number for our national health service when you need urgent medical advice but is not an emergency)

Anyway, they were talking to the operator and the operator said people have been calling up with questions such as:
"Is my school open?"
"When is the next Sainsbury's delivery of toilet roll?"
"Does Corona beer cause Corona Virus?"



My relationship with mankind was already shakey before this outbreak, now I want a divorce.


Worse, I've been reading reports of actual racism against Chinese people. Trump surely didn't help with this the other day when he called this a Chinese virus. However, I did make this same mistake early on when it all kicked off in China whilst standing a few yards away from a Chinese friend of mine. He shot me a strange look and I instantly realised my faux pas.

I obviously only meant that it was a virus and it was only in China at that time, but it must have sounded as though I was blaming China for the virus. It's just a poor choice of words.

However, there are a lot of stupid people out there who do blame Chinese people. Why couldn't they create a virus that targets IQ? Anyone over 18 years old and with an IQ lower than 105 gets it and it's likely to be fatal. The world would definitely be better after coming through that.


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Worse, I've been reading reports of actual racism against Chinese people. Trump surely didn't help with this the other day when he called this a Chinese virus. However, I did make this same mistake early on when it all kicked off in China whilst standing a few yards away from a Chinese friend of mine. He shot me a strange look and I instantly realised my faux pas.

I obviously only meant that it was a virus and it was only in China at that time, but it must have sounded as though I was blaming China for the virus. It's just a poor choice of words.

However, there are a lot of stupid people out there who do blame Chinese people. Why couldn't they create a virus that targets IQ? Anyone over 18 years old and with an IQ lower than 105 gets it and it's likely to be fatal. The world would definitely be better after coming through that.


Yes, it is on the increase - which doesn't surprise me at all (It appals me, but doesn't surprise me).
It's prevalent on all levels, from avoiding going to Chinese takeaways to actual physical assault.

As the years go by I feel more and more like society is regressing, dumbing down, becoming more racist and extreme - Then we go ahead and elect racist, bigoted, chauvinistic leaders which seems to have validated the views of those in the population who are of the same ilk "Hey! if our leaders are like that, we can be like that"
I've always thought the majority held similar views to me, that I was "right". But now I feel I'm in the minority and led to beleive that I'm a "snowflake lefty" just because I don't want to kick out immigrants who live and work here perfectly fine.

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I can. I have five kids all at home at the moment. Noise-cancelling headphones ensures I don't hear anything but music while I write. They're not even an expensive pair. I originally bought a pair of Sony but sent them back because they didn't work. I then found a pair for around £25 that have worked fine for two years so far. They're not a brand you would recognise, I think.

here is a link to them on Amazon but they're sold out: https://www.amazon.co.uk/EFOSHM-Cancelling-Over-ear-Headphones-Case-Black-Black/dp/B01DXUJEWS?th=1


I also have a pair of noise-cancelling headphones I quite like. Problem is, it’s just me. My wife is still being called into work, so I’m in charge of their schedule. Once the wife gets sent home then it’ll be different.

That said, I’ve been sick for the past few weeks. A normal type cold that progresses. Yes, I’ve had a cough, but no fever and nothing that has knocked me out of action. I visited the doctor and they suggested bronchitis (I do vape), gave me some antibiotics and sent me on my way.

Though I am curious to know if I actually have it. If I do then I am holding up okay. But, it’s not me I worry about.


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Trump surely didn't help with this the other day when he called this a Chinese virus.


The racism is deliberate with this admin, and calculated to provoke outrage.

They do not want to argue about why we still do not have access to tests, nor do they wish to argue about wasted months declaring this a hoax.

But a national debate over nomenclature, calling everyone "snowflakes" while their giggling base of online trolls shit-posts about Kung-Flu?

That is right in their comfort zone.  Don't take the bait.  Gotta pick your battles in this time.


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However, there are a lot of stupid people out there who do blame Chinese people. Why couldn't they create a virus that targets IQ? Anyone over 18 years old and with an IQ lower than 105 gets it and it's likely to be fatal. The world would definitely be better after coming through that.

Everyone likes to think they are on the right side of the bell curve, but fact is, that half of all the people are on the left. If people should be punished with death by a virus according to IQ, Africa would be in trouble and so would the Caribbean islanders. The Chinese would be doing okay though.  


PS: Not being racist. Just google IQ by country.



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At times like this, we should have the best of the best leading the helm and steering us forward. Instead, we have the worst, most corrupt and incompetent leadership in modern history.

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Not to diminish the severity of Covid-19, there is another epidemic that already kills 700,000 a year, and in the next few years will surpass cancer as the leading killer of people.

Antibiotic resistance. It is projected that by the year 2050, a staggering 10,000,000 people will die every year from it. Sexually transmitted diseases are already becoming incurable. Surgeries, going to the dentist, even simple illnesses and infections will soon be life threatening for us all. Unless we change our eating habits.

It is caused by our consumption of animals. Due to the amount of antibiotics farm animals are given to prolong their lives, and because most of us consume meat, eggs, and dairy, we in turn become immune to antibiotics.

Please do some research on this potential risk to all of humanity.
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...Unless we change our eating habits.

It is caused by our consumption of animals...


It is indeed a problem, it's not solely caused by the use of antibiotics in animals though (over prescription in humans and not finishing a course of antibiotics are also an issue)

We also don't need to stop eating meat to solve the problem, that's just vegan propaganda.

I read the report on this a while ago, it's caused by the excessive use of antibiotics in animals - the report made 3 suggestions to tackle the problem, none of which was to reduce the amount of meat or animal by-products we eat.

The proposal is to essentially reduce the excessive amounts of antibiotics used in animals and improve waste management so these antibiotics aren't released into the environment -
They do that, then we can carry on eating that delicious meat  




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Is it really vegan "propaganda" if it promotes the healthiest, most sustainable, environmentally friendly diet imaginable? A diet that doesn't require needless torture of innocent animals who do not want to die or suffer. If anything, the factory farming industry is feeding people propaganda.

Sensory pleasure shouldn't justify our actions. A dangerous philosophy if applied to other scenarios, therefore not a valid argument.
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Quoted from Hank
Is it really vegan "propaganda" if it promotes the healthiest, most sustainable, environmentally friendly diet imaginable? A diet that doesn't require needless torture of innocent animals who do not want to die or suffer.


If I don't get to enjoy the tortured juices of a fat chicken, then you can bet your sweet ass that it's propaganda. And it will NEVER stop me.




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Is it really vegan "propaganda" if it promotes the healthiest, most sustainable, environmentally friendly diet imaginable? A diet that doesn't require needless torture of innocent animals who do not want to die or suffer.


Yes. This is literally the definition of vegan propaganda.




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Propaganda is normally associated with promoting negativity. One day you'll understand that hurting and murdering animals for food or sport is barbaric and disgusting. Anyone who disagrees is simply currently on the wrong side of history, similarly to supporters of segregation and those against women's rights.
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Propaganda is normally associated with promoting negativity. One day you'll understand that hurting and murdering animals for food or sport is barbaric and disgusting. Anyone who disagrees is simply currently on the wrong side of history, similarly to supporters of segregation and those against women's rights.


Hey, Hank. How about this? Instead of arguing about all these tortured animals, which are absolutely delicious by the way, why don't you go return some reads you owe the other writers here?




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(1) Propaganda is normally associated with promoting negativity. One day you'll understand that hurting and murdering animals for food or (2) sport is barbaric and disgusting. (3) Anyone who disagrees is simply currently on the wrong side of history, (4) similarly to supporters of segregation and those against women's rights.


Oh boy... I've numbered your post above to keep things clear.

1) Propaganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view. In your case, the complete criticism of other dietary systems as "barbaric" and "disgusting" and promoting veganism as the only ethical/healthy dietry system people should use.

2) Never mentioned sport hunting, talking about vegan propaganda.

3) A prime example of vegan propaganda.

4) Comparing having a meat-based diet to segregation and women's rights is a little abhorrent.


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Once Hollywood goes fully vegan and the government and news outlets start declaring the animal agriculture industry is a detriment to health and the planet, then the followers will transition. It’s been known for decades that veganism is beneficial for all humans, except those in power needed to slowly let news about this develop, and act like they never knew, so not to cause too much outrage.
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This is why we don't like lefties any more and we're getting pretty close to deciding you all go in the dog food.
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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
This is why we don't like lefties any more and we're getting pretty close to deciding you all go in the dog food.





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Once Hollywood goes fully vegan and the government and news outlets start declaring the animal agriculture industry is a detriment to health and the planet, then the followers will transition. It’s been known for decades that veganism is beneficial for all humans, except those in power needed to slowly let news about this develop, and act like they never knew, so not to cause too much outrage.


When you get done dreaming about your idiotic fairytale world, go return some reads.




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Quoted from Hank
Once Hollywood goes fully vegan and the government and news outlets start declaring the animal agriculture industry is a detriment to health and the planet, then the followers will transition. It�s been known for decades that veganism is beneficial for all humans, except those in power needed to slowly let news about this develop, and act like they never knew, so not to cause too much outrage.


I'm more of a science rather than conspiracy type of person.

I'm not disputing that veganism is healthy - it helps lower cholesterol and reduces the risk of heart disease. It actually increases the risk of stroke because of the lack of B12 but this is easily overcome with supplements or fortified foods.

Veganism is a perfectly viable diet, but so are other diets - People who do not hold your belief are neither "disgusting" nor "barbaric" - Such claims, and (circling back to your original post, that started this) twisting facts to promote veganism as the only option people should take - morally/healthwise, whatever the reason - is vegan propaganda, which is what I was discussing.

but seems you are too emotionally charged about the subject to discuss - so probably best to leave it there.



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Don't worry, those who fail to transition will still be able to eat their nearly flavorless, rotting food through lab-grown meats, which is far less harmful to animals, the environment, and the humans consuming it.
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Don't worry, those who fail to transition will still be able to eat their nearly flavorless, rotting food through lab-grown meats, which is far less harmful to animals, the environment, and the humans consuming it.




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Plants have feelings too. Just because they can't communicate with you, they scream as you slice them up, then throw them in boiling water or a hot oven. Research suggests that the vegetables are still alive when you eat or cook them. Potatoes, for example, will grow roots and turn into more potatoes. They're actually still alive when you murdering vegan bastards eat them. Vegans are pure scum! Worse than kiddie fiddlers, worse than Jimmy Saville!


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Quoted from Hank
Don't worry, those who fail to transition will still be able to eat their nearly flavorless, rotting food through lab-grown meats, which is far less harmful to animals, the environment, and the humans consuming it.


Just like those who fail to return reads will be frowned upon by writers who actually contribute to the boards.




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Let's try not to delve too far into stupid territory.


Well, you should never have taken it there in the first place.


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Since the discussion now have migrated from hoarding toilet paper to discussing food consumption, out of curiosity, what food items did you stock up on if you have to be quarantined or already are?

We have a freezer full of fish. Canned vegetables and beans. Rice, pasta and potatoes. Then of course Wasa crisp bread and King Oscar sardines in tomatoes.   If things get really bad, there's plenty of rolled oats. If things get even worse than that, there are those three months worth of MREs...

What about adult beverages? We have Guinness Extra Stout and some Truly.

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Since the discussion now have migrated from hoarding toilet paper to discussing food consumption, out of curiosity, what food items did you stock up on if you have to be quarantined or already are?

We have a freezer full of fish. Canned vegetables and beans. Rice, pasta and potatoes. Then of course Wasa crisp bread and King Oscar sardines in tomatoes.   If things get really bad, there's plenty of rolled oats. If things get even worse than that, there are those three months worth of MREs...

What about adult beverages? We have Guinness Extra Stout and some Truly.

How about you?


Haven't stocked up on anything - did my normal shop, and in a couple of weeks when I need to, I'll do my normal shop again.

Luckily I make my own booze, so plenty of the old "moonshine" around the place  


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We're loaded up on noodles, rice, and a ton of canned goods. My neighbor has like 20 cats and dogs, so if this gets really bad, I'll just torture and eat a few of those.




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I've got pretty much everything... I even bought a big piece of wild boar from a local hunter.

Food isn't a problem, the economy is. What is going to be left?

I've no idea if my Accountancy business can survive, or if any of my tenants are going to be able to pay. I've got rental insurance, but I've no idea if it will cover this...People could lose absolutely everything. Its crazy.
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Yeah, the government here are bringing in measures to prevent people from being evicted, however, this isn't what is actually needed. What is needed is their rent paid so things can keep on turning.

I think we're all going to be losing out here. I'm actually starting to get a little worried. I'm thinking that if things get too bad, I'll have to take a real job as a delivery driver or something. I've made around 30% of what I normally make in a month.

I'm supposed to be getting more work in and waiting to hear from other jobs as I've started putting myself out there again. I may have to renew my subscriptions to Upwork et al.

No extra food. I bought some shopping today but the shelves were empty. I even bought some cooking bacon whatever that is. No chicken at all. I eat chicken almost every day. One thing I do have plenty of is coffee.


Another thing,that's quite strange, the army has been moving heavy machinery like tanks around in the early hours of the morning. Something else may be going on. The virus could be a mere distraction.


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Top tip: If things get really bad you don't need to stockpile! You just need to know where your nearest stockpiler lives...


...take a weapon


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Economy wise - yeah, we're fucked.

Fashion company I work for (shops in Saudi Arabia) have closed all shops... Bugger


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I am very proud of myself as I got the very last pack of rice from the store! So now I have rice, pretzels and beef. I also have some veggies and planning to freeze them. I got too late to the frozen veggies section, all the supplies were long gone by then. There’s no flour strangely and no sugar near me - that surprises me. I’d get flour.
Ah, I also got egg noodles as vermicelli was totally gone by the time I hit the stores. But I made egg noodles today and they r as good.

Plenty of meats here - I guess that they restock frequently than other stuff. I want to think food will return to stores.
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Propaganda is normally associated with promoting negativity. One day you'll understand that hurting and murdering animals for food or sport is barbaric and disgusting. Anyone who disagrees is simply currently on the wrong side of history, similarly to supporters of segregation and those against women's rights.


Lol you’re like one of these people who all the time talk about washing themselves as opposed to using toilet paper. Using the bad times to impose your believes on the others - that’s smart!
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People don�t seem to grasp that even if they and their family are quarantined, friends or other family can drop off food and other stuff, if needed, outside their door.



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Ugh, it's like Black Friday out there and a fun hunt for some folks. Ridiculous.-A


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Ugh, it's like Black Friday out there and a fun hunt for some folks. Ridiculous.-A


Probably where the next load of infections will come from. They'll change the name to the costco virus


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Probably where the next load of infections will come from. They'll change the name to the costco virus


Haha.  ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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So, another day almost in the books. In from work, checking things out, listening to music. My family is well, my wife will be working from home now so that's good. Still seems all so surreal, like the days immediately following 9/11. It was just like, well, different. Everything felt different. Off somehow. Just gotta live it and see where it takes you.

That said, I hope all of you are healthy and well and making the best of what you have, if possible. I'm getting to know my children in ways I never thought possible - by actually being a mentor of sorts, and by being present. Most times I work and I don't get to see as much of them as I'd like. Also starting to realize that my daughter is gonna be one big pain in the ass when she gets older!


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So, another day almost in the books. In from work, checking things out, listening to music. My family is well, my wife will be working from home now so that's good. Still seems all so surreal, like the days immediately following 9/11. It was just like, well, different. Everything felt different. Off somehow. Just gotta live it and see where it takes you.

That said, I hope all of you are healthy and well and making the best of what you have, if possible. I'm getting to know my children in ways I never thought possible - by actually being a mentor of sorts, and by being present. Most times I work and I don't get to see as much of them as I'd like. Also starting to realize that my daughter is gonna be one big pain in the ass when she gets older!


I'm well.

Just found out that my 38 year-old daughter and her husband probably both have it.

They got sick last night - all the typical symptoms. Called the local health departmentwho told them yep - that sounds like it but- no tests available for at least two weeks. Were told to just stay home as long as they are managing it.




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I'm well.

Just found out that my 38 year-old daughter and her husband probably both have it.

They got sick last night - all the typical symptoms. Called the local health departmentwho told them yep - that sounds like it but- no tests available for at least two weeks. Were told to just stay home as long as they are managing it.




Very sorry to hear that, Dave. Hopefully they are both well otherwise, no underlying conditions and they can beat this with rest, fluids and such. Fingers crossed!


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Very sorry to hear that, Dave. Hopefully they are both well otherwise, no underlying conditions and they can beat this with rest, fluids and such. Fingers crossed!


Thanks - so far they're doing just fine. They are only pissed because they couldn't get a test and have no way of really know if they have the regular flu or the corona and need the 14 days isolation. They will error on the side of caution - but the lack of testing here is sad.


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My doctor friend said that NY got a lot more tests today and people are getting tested in bulk.  Every state is different I guess.

Hope they both get better soon. Four people I personally know have it. That scary.
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My doctor friend said that NY got a lot more tests today and people are getting tested in bulk.  Every state is different I guess.

Hope they both get better soon. Four people I personally know have it. That scary.


Thanks . So far so good


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Hope your family stay well, Dave.  The most frustrating thing of it all is that most people won’t get really that sick.

Its weird here in Oz as the kids are still at school, my wife is working still and so am I (I work in a supermarket lol!!). So its kind of eerie here for me as there is no indication about the scale of this except for some empty shelves at work.

My sister lives in Melbourne and it is shocking there as I imagine it is in parts of the US. The supermarkets in the big cities are like Armageddon.

The good news is I have done 88 pages of my shark feature

The bad news is that new movies being picked and made will be irrelevant soon, if not already

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When Shakespeare was under quarantine during the Plague, he wrote King Lear. Do any of you guys have a King Lear during Corona?

I've got a bunch I'm considering adding bits and pieces to. Don't know how many of these I'll actively work on during the whole mess, but I have a bunch I saved onto a flash drive when I upgraded to a new PC, that I still haven't ported over yet (that I can remember).


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Thanks - so far they're doing just fine. They are only pissed because they couldn't get a test and have no way of really know if they have the regular flu or the corona and need the 14 days isolation. They will error on the side of caution - but the lack of testing here is sad.


There is a lack of testing here too. Soon, both our countries will be put into lockdown. You will need to download a code for permission to go out and if you don't have it, you will be arrested, charged and fined. I suppose repeat offenders will be put in prison.

It seems there is more to this than a virus. Walking past those empty shelves yesterday was surreal. I went in trying to find some supplies and ended up buying a load of expensive crap, like a huge fresh cream strawberry gateaux, a litre of berry-infused gin for my GF along with some sea bass. I bought myself an on-the-bone sirloin steak. The kids, I bought some fresh Pizza, oh, and I got some freshly baked sourdough bread. I spent over a £100 and there was very little in my trolley.


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Wishing them a speedy recovery, Dave.


People are really starting to piss me off! I just want to shake them and shout "STOP STOCKPILING"

Massive queues at supermarkets this morning, people ignoring the hour set aside for the elderly to shop and barging in regardless, clearing the shelves of essentials like baby formulae so others can't have any.
Trust the British public to act like utter selfish pricks in a time of emergency when we should be working together.

I haven't heard about disruption to food production or delivery - so why can't people just shop as normal? the problem with lack of supplies is down to people stockpiling, not a lack of supplies to go around.
There was plenty for us all before this, there will be plenty during - but only if people can find a couple of brain cells to rub together and take only what they bloody need.





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Here in the UK, the schools are closing tomorrow and I'm being told to work from home from Monday. Luckily I can work from home otherwise I'd be stuffed as I'm the only earner in the house. In effect, we are going into a soft lockdown.

We went shopping yesterday, got enough in for two weeks without hassle. Managed to get some toilet roll from Aldi. They were restricting customers to 4 packs per customer. We bought 1. Why? Well, 9 rolls is more than enough for my family of 4 for 2 weeks. We don't need 36, we don't have arses the size of Big Ben's clock face.  I don't understand the panic buying of toilet paper!

Writing-wise, I finally managed to get a literary agent interested in my Cyborn novel just before all this happened, now they've gone dark. I'll continue to hope but also continue to send out queries and write as best as I can with a house full of people climbing up the wall, as the world will need entertainment and escapism more than ever in these times.

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Just a thought on the stockpiling of food and TP. Most people eat two of their meals away from home every day. Usually fastfood or some restaurant, (at least in the US). Now when they have to stay at home, most meals are made at home, so you need more food from grocery stores. Also, if you're home, you're using more TP because you're not using the bathrooms at work or away from home anymore.


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Mark, I’m inspired by your positivity. I will certainly keep writing and finish this feature.

I have a theory that the panic buying may ease if/when people lose their jobs with tighter lockdowns. Then we will perhaps see lots of people saving their money and not spending it too much.  



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I have a theory that the panic buying may ease if/when people lose their jobs with tighter lockdowns. Then we will perhaps see lots of people saving their money and not spending it too much.  


Surely there must come a point when all the panic buyers have sufficient stockpiles and then hide behind their walls of toilet rolls - after that, shelves get restocked and the rest of us can shop as normal.



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I think people stock up on their favorite items thinking the shelves might be out later. I was late to stores, so all the items I usually buy were long gone. I bought whatever and adjusting just fine. In fact trying new foods which can’t be bad.

I’m home for two weeks as I got enough food for that period of time. And when we r out I’ll go food hunting again. Maybe people decided to hibernate for two months which is smart in a way. The craze behind toilet paper (and now all kind of paper btw) is pretty astonishing. I can get buy as we did not have that paper commodity up until I was twenty. But my daughter is American. She’s used to using paper for everything. Paper towels disappear in my home fast. Maybe it’s time to learn how to use less.
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Thanks all for the well-wishes.

This is a real cluster fuck out here. They are on day three now and based on their symptoms there is no way they don't have it.

Guidance is a joke. Cannot get clear answers on who should be tested, where to be tested, and more importantly on where they should report their infections to so that others can be warned. You would think my fucking now there would be a single 9-1-1 type hotline number to call if you are presenting symptoms where they walk you through step by step on what you should do. You call your Doctor and they say call the Health Department. You call the Health Department and they say to call your Doctor. Arrgh!

There are 3.2 million people in Orange County - 42 reported infections.   That is such a load because they are not reporting infections. There is some good news in that - when you look at the mortality rates, it doesn't include the ka-billions of people that got this that were never counted.


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Dave, there is nothing you can do for a virus. If the symptoms are so bad they need hospital then go. Otherwise, just stay at home and ride it out. It's really just another flu for most of us. I know several people with this now and I'm pretty sure I rode this thing out before it became famous. I wrote my last OWC script while still fatigued from it.


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Dave, there is nothing you can do for a virus. If the symptoms are so bad they need hospital then go. Otherwise, just stay at home and ride it out. It's really just another flu for most of us. I know several people with this now and I'm pretty sure I rode this thing out before it became famous. I wrote my last OWC script while still fatigued from it.


Pretty much following that protocol.  All I'm really trying to do is:

- Get protocols in place in case symptoms worsen. i.e., this is where they would show up.

- Have someone in an official capacity inform them on the proper protocols for notifying people/work - etc.


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That’s ridiculous Dave.  Here, there is a special number to ring. You are asked the questions. If they think your symptoms may be CV then you contact your local doctor.  I haven’t done this obviously but there is plenty of info on FB etc.

My wife had to go to the docs yesty on another matter and from today they will be closed to peeps going in - only phone ins from now on



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That’s ridiculous Dave.  Here, there is a special number to ring. You are asked the questions. If they think your symptoms may be CV then you contact your local doctor.  I haven’t done this obviously but there is plenty of info on FB etc.

My wife had to go to the docs yesty on another matter and from today they will be closed to peeps going in - only phone ins from now on


The funniest lunacy is this, in order to get tested, even if you have every exact symptom. you most also have been exposed to someone else who tested positive (note - hardly anyone is tested) - or - just returned from a country with widespread transmission.

WE ARE ALL CURRENTLY LIVING IN A COUNTRY WITH WIDESPREAD TRANSMISSION!!!!!! WHY DO THEY STILL HAVE AN IDIOTIC TRAVEL CRITERIA???

Oh, because they don't want you to be tested.

I know the test doesn't cure anyone or change anything for one's health. But what it would do is provide something to give your employer for your absence, give our health dept a solid reason to follow-up with people you've been in contact with, etc.





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For what it's worth, Sweden has not closed any schools yet, nor are they testing people or closing their border even though all neighboring countries have. People are angry.

Just found out my daughter-in-law who is a midwife said that they have dedicated one whole floor to CV patients. There are 100 suspected cases awaiting testing.


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For what it's worth, Sweden has not closed any schools yet, nor are they testing people or closing their border even though all neighboring countries have. People are angry.

Just found out my daughter-in-law who is a midwife said that they have dedicated one whole floor to CV patients. There are 100 suspected cases awaiting testing.


I see that Sweden has over 1400 confirmed cases now.  One floor ain't going to be near enough. But more than likely, Sweden had ten times that including people who had it without symptoms or confused it with the flu.

PS - this is a neat site for stats.

https://ncov2019.live/


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That is insane Pia that Sweden hasn’t closed their borders!  That’s the most important step to take. Bloody idiots



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To clarify, Sweden is only testing a few cases. I would say their list is not accurate. Also, my daughter_in_law is in Florida. She works at NFRMC.

Stevie, yes, people are pissed off. My 79 year old mother even went on a cruise out of Stockholm last Friday...

I use this site. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


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All of these sites and all the government should really be working on their terminology.

For example, they keep reporting like there are 240,000 total cases

They should report that as positive tests.

There are probably millions upon millions actual cases -  Hell, half of us could have already had it and not known. You'd think they could do some statistical modeling - i.e., for every none virus case we think that are xx unknown ones. It certainly would make the death statistics seem far less severe.



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Dave,

I hope things turn out well for your family.  

There has been a huge drop off in scripts being submitted.  I'm usually running 10 to 15 by Thursday.  Now I've only gotten six submissions.  

Here is a link to a good map from Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6





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I suggested on Facebook some type of ID system for peeps who had had it and were out of isolation or whatever. Like wristbands ok?  Some idiot said that was reminiscent of the Nazis and Jews.   Like WTF?



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See, Stevie? This is why I'm not a fan of social media.

Then again... How would that help?  


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here in NY those tested positive demand two additional tests to get out of isolation. If it shows negative twice in a row they are free out.

I understand they need to return to their jobs and such but at this time it’s a waste of precious tests. Anyway...
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here in NY those tested positive demand two additional tests to get out of isolation. If it shows negative twice in a row they are free out.

I understand they need to return to their jobs and such but at this time it’s a waste of precious tests. Anyway...


Tells you how totally disconnected we are in approach - in CA - it's 7 days after your symptoms started. After that - you're free to go.

So here we can't get tested - and there they get tested in and out??? You're right - it's a waste of test kits.

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See, Stevie? This is why I'm not a fan of social media.

Then again... How would that help?  


I dunno Lib just some type of ID showing what status that person is. It may help in a busy hospital I dunno

I have other ideas about fixing Australia’s looming finance woes including lowering retirement age to 60 and also letting people who have/ will lose their jobs access to their super tax free

These may sound crazy but it’s crazier out there now



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Some of these young Americans though...
You're being asked to help your country by staying home for a year and you're acting like a spoiled brats.
50 years ago, you weren't asked, you were told to help by fighting in Vietnam for a year.

Suck it up, buttercups.
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Night’s at an end. Just watched an interested doc called After Truth on HBO. I recommend it. All about the dangers of real fake news and it’s impact on society. It’s scary and enlightening.

Prior to watching that, I came to the conclusion I must delete my FB app and consider going off the grid. Maybe permanently if I can adhere to it. This virus seems to be bringing out the worst in people and I, for one, have been growing increasingly sick of it all for a long time now. Tonight was just kind of a culmination of all that.

I’ve been working and find myself looking at old people who come into the shop a bit differently. I was saddened to have felt that way.


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Night’s at an end. Just watched an interested doc called After Truth on HBO. I recommend it. All about the dangers of real fake news and it’s impact on society. It’s scary and enlightening.

Prior to watching that, I came to the conclusion I must delete my FB app and consider going off the grid. Maybe permanently if I can adhere to it. This virus seems to be bringing out the worst in people and I, for one, have been growing increasingly sick of it all for a long time now. Tonight was just kind of a culmination of all that.

I’ve been working and find myself looking at old people who come into the shop a bit differently. I was saddened to have felt that way.


Oh Steven that doc has affected you obviously. I didn’t understand how it connects old people coming to some shop (was wonder what shop) with fb exactly but I’ll look up the documentary. I’m scared to watch it though. What if I decide to leave something more essential than fb...

I just watched Midssomar and that one is  a pretty disturbing flick. I wouldn’t recommend it though

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That's very ageist, Steve.  If we're lucky we'll all be there one day. The alternative is not much chop is it.

I'm giving a wide berth to everyone at the moment. I always like my personal space anyway. Hate when people get in your face. Whoa! Take a step back buddy, I can see your eyeballs.

I'm with you on the social media crap. Born cynical. You don't have to delete anything, just do what I do - switch off, sign out,  don't jump to the hype and scaremongering... And escape through writing. Hmm, well, I haven't managed time for the writing yet, but you know...


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I just watched Midssomar and that one is  a pretty disturbing flick. I wouldn’t recommend it though



I just watched that too... on Wednesday night. I thought it was OK for a horror.


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Had to bite my tongue the other day when in a COVID-19 meeting with the heads of other departments, the office manager and the CEO - and they start banging on about the virus leaking from a secret lab in Wuhan, and how it's "definitely not from bat soup!"
Some people really overvalue their own stupid opinion.

When this thing started and was still mostly contained to China, I overheard one of the directors actually say that "It's natures why of ethnic cleansing"... I avoid that person now.

Even my own Dad is sharing utter bullshit stories on Facebook.

Steven

Based on the above, plus some of the utter bullshit on social media (My favourite is that if you place chopped onions around your house it "sucks" up the coronavirus... ) and what the news is showing us, my faith in humanity has also been shaken... and I've lashed out.

BUT - I have to keep reminding myself that it's usually the minority "bad" that gets pushed to the forefront, with the (hopefully!) majority "good" behind it.

The news won't report on the millions of us who go to the shops and shop as normal, but they will report on the story of the woman who pulled a knife on a man in a supermarket to get his toilet roll.

We see the few people who share/promote crap on social media - but don't see the millions of people who don't.

The good

Right now, around the world, countless people work tirelessly and selflessly to get us through this - Doctors, nurses, paramedics, food delivery drivers (feel free to add to the list) - with medical staff coming out of retirement at a time of need.

Please share any feel-good stories you know or have heard about so we can all see that humanity still lives... Because I for one could sure-as-shit hear some of that right about now.

Such as:

- Italians applauding medical staff from their balconies to thank them.
- The Spanish fitness instructor who gave a fitness class from a roof to those quarantined in their apartments around him.
- The artist offering free online drawing classes for children stuck at home
- The countless people I have heard about who have reached out to elderly or vulnerable neighbours to let them know they are there if they need anything.


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I see bullshit from both sides. Soon powers will be brought in where even if you're not sick you can be hauled off to 'quarantine' if found outside during curfew hours.

I can't believe how much freedom we are about to give away through panic over a virus. It is unbelievable to me the sheer amount of mindless people about... and every one of them actually thinks they're awake.


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There is a bioweaponry lab in Wuhan, the only one in all China. They actually study viruses in terms of weaponising them. Also, not long after the outbreak, the Chinese government released this new directive:

"Instructions on strengthening biosecurity management in microbiology labs that handle advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus."

Why would they need to strengthen biosecurity management if biosecurity management was already well managed? It kinda suggests that they've had a leak.

I don't believe there has ever been a virus that can jump from animal to human without some help.

SARS also escaped... twice... Strangely too, this Coronavirus is actually another, lighter version of SARS.

You honestly prefer to believe bat soup, then that is up to you. Personally, I blame human intervention and cover-ups. This is a man-made virus escaped into the world and you can bet our governments are going to take ful advantage of it while it's here.


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It's certainly possible, Dustin.

There's also some rumours about the lab in the US, Maryland. That was dealing with viruses and contagions and was shut down... It's also nearby to where the mystery vaping illnesses started (am illness that hasn't occurred anywhere else in the world).

People like us will never know.
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As I say, I tend to beleive the science rather than conspiracy theories - especially when I haven't heard of any credible evidence or from a credible source to support them.

The world blames China for leaking the outbreak, China blames U.S.A for deliberately leaking it there.

"RNA sequences closely resemble those of viruses that silently circulate in bats, and epidemiologic information implicates a bat-origin virus infecting unidentified animal species sold in China’s live-animal markets." - From the New England Journal of Medicine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2002106?query=TOC#

"Here we review what can be deduced about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 from comparative analysis of genomic data. We offer a perspective on the notable features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome and discuss scenarios by which they could have arisen. Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus." - Published in Nature Medicine
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

I don't know where it comes from, I don't much care - But based on the sources of information I know which I believe.

If you know any sources to support the theory it was leaked, then please share - I'd be interested to read.


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Like Dustin says it's strange that China announced security measures to strengthen bio containment, and also that they tried to cover up the outbreak.

Bad optics, as they say.

It's the same with Fort Detrick which was shut down for failing protocols, and the reason why is suppressed for National security reasons.. Why would they shut it down if nothing had leaked?
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Everyone knows best.  

Anyway, I'm really really surprised at the lack of change in behavior here where I live. People are still out and about. People are out shopping. Walmart parking lot is full. Construction still going on at the giant Amazon warehouse near our business. I went to Home Depot the other day, the garden center because it's basically outside, so I figured it might be safe if I stay away from everyone and then wipe off everything I touch afterwards. People were there shopping casually. Strolling around. My next door neighbors haven't changed any of their behaviors and they are no dummies. An accountant and nurse, 80 and 75. A navy doctor, 75. Two professors at UF, 65 and 65. A former regional manager at K-mart, 77. I talk to them from a good distance in my front yard, they all still come and go all day long, go for walks together and so on. We are the uneducated idiots here and we are the only ones that seem to be careful. Maybe they know better than us.  


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Older people don't seem to care in the slightest.

My 80 year old father.. A recent cancer survivor and diabetic is adamant that only 'frail' people (he used more emotive words than that) are at risk.

He's delusional, but he can't be reasoned with. My fear with him is not so much that he gets it, because he's so arrogant he'll probably survive, but that he gives it to my mother.

On Hvar, there's a lot of denial of the reality, as well, as it's not officially here yet. Friends are still planning for a full holiday season, even though anyone who enters the country is being quarantined at their own expense.

I think it's so far out of how we've become accustomed to live, that people can't even comprehend it.
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Like Dustin says it's strange that China announced security measures to strengthen bio containment, and also that they tried to cover up the outbreak.


I work on evidence, not conjecture.

I don't know where it came from, I'm not arguing either way, just saying I know the sources of information that I am more likely to believe.

I'm open to any theory or explanation - I would just like people to have some evidence to their argument before they present it to me.

I think it just annoyed me when an office manager for a fashion company stated with unwavering confidence "It's definitely not from bat soup, it's from the lab" without bringing any kind of evidence or reliable sources or information to the table - All because she saw it on Facebook.


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Oh Steven that doc has affected you obviously. I didn’t understand how it connects old people coming to some shop (was wonder what shop) with fb exactly but I’ll look up the documentary. I’m scared to watch it though. What if I decide to leave something more essential than fb...

I just watched Midssomar and that one is  a pretty disturbing flick. I wouldn’t recommend it though



No, the doc hasn’t affected me as I watched it at the end of my night. So any feelings I’ve had were built up prior to that, for different reasons.

Basically, that documentary dealt with fake news being spread on social media, alt websites and gaining steam — I.e., pizzagate, the birther movement. Stuff like that, and it’s impact on int victims.

And Libby - as far as being ageist, I’m not, and I treat no one differently. Ever. But I can’t help not , when you’re working with the public, to see a person who’s in the so-called “danger zone” and not feel a little wary. This is what we’re being told. Otherwise, I try and keep my distance from everyone.

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I can see Matthew is one of those of those guys who thinks critical thinking and evidence based science is the be all and end all... well answer this Steven Hawkins, since when did facts prove anything???

It doesn’t take an Einstein to realise that all the conjectural evidence points to leaked bioweaponry!!!
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No, the doc hasn’t affected me as I watched it at the end of my night. So any feelings I’ve had were built up prior to that, for different reasons.

Basically, that documentary dealt with fake news being spread on social media, alt websites and gaining steam — I.e., pizzagate, the birther movement. Stuff like that, and it’s impact on


Oh, to that I can totally relate. With my fb feed I would want to participate in a contest of most aggravating fb friends.
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There is a bioweapons plant in Wuhan, the only one in all China. It houses SARS, MERS, and SARS-Cov-2 (today's so-called Novel Coronavirus), and much, much more. SARS has escaped from the same lab twice before.

It's quite an obvious connection to make.

There was once a time when all of science declared the world was flat. You would have been crazy to think otherwise... but, in believing it, at least you would have fit in with everyone else. I prefer not to be that sheep.


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There was once a time when people declared that people used to declare that the Earth was flat!

It's Washington Irving's fault, probably.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth


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Another thing that may have caused the escape from the lab in Wuhan is the fact that lab workers, instead of incinerating animals they'd experimented on, sold them to food vendors at wet markets for self-profit.

Also, the bat soup thing is merely conjecture in and of itself. It's not a fact. Just one of a number of theories presented.

There being a bioweapons lab in China is not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. That SARS escaped from the same lab on at least two occasions is also a fact. That, what you call Coronavirus is actually SARS, is also a fact. That China immediately raised a new directive aimed at better security in its biolab just after the outbreak is also a fact.


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There is a bioweapons plant in Wuhan, the only one in all China. It houses SARS, MERS, and SARS-Cov-2 (today's so-called Novel Coronavirus), and much, much more. SARS has escaped from the same lab twice before.


I won't go into it, there's no point - There's such a thing in psychology as "Confirmation bias" - Meaning people favour information that confirms previously existing beliefs, and disregard the rest. Which is why so many people who want to believe in the conspiracy theories don't acknowledge the fact the scientific community has released studies to debunk them.


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There was once a time when all of science declared the world was flat. You would have been crazy to think otherwise... but, in believing it, at least you would have fit in with everyone else. I prefer not to be that sheep.


This though isn't true, I used to think it was. One of life's misconceptions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

EDIT: Heretic beat me to it


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As I say, I tend to beleive the science rather than conspiracy theories - especially when I haven't heard of any credible evidence or from a credible source to support them.

The world blames China for leaking the outbreak, China blames U.S.A for deliberately leaking it there.

"RNA sequences closely resemble those of viruses that silently circulate in bats, and epidemiologic information implicates a bat-origin virus infecting unidentified animal species sold in China’s live-animal markets." - From the New England Journal of Medicine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2002106?query=TOC#

"Here we review what can be deduced about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 from comparative analysis of genomic data. We offer a perspective on the notable features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome and discuss scenarios by which they could have arisen. Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus." - Published in Nature Medicine
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

I don't know where it comes from, I don't much care - But based on the sources of information I know which I believe.

If you know any sources to support the theory it was leaked, then please share - I'd be interested to read.


The last link is the most interesting... did you actually read these papers thoroughly? It seems to me that you have simply quickly Googled something like 'Coronavirus escaped lab conspiracy', found a headline that fits and posted it without looking any deeper than that.

if you did read deeper then you would have read: Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here.

The whole paper is merely a theory. Also, their 'evidence' suggests (not shows) that SARS-Cov 2 could have adapted either within the human body or within a bat... this doe snot mean that it wasn't bioengineered... and they freely admit that nothing they have said can be currently proven. There are no conclusive facts in this paper at all.


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SARS... is SARS-Cov... what we are seeing now is the sequel, SARS-Cov-2

Proof that SARS-Cov escaped from the same lab should not be necessary as it's a known fact and the Chinese readily admitted it. Here is an article from 2004.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137

How embarrassing for them to have SARS-Cov-2 escape 16 or so years later. Worth covering it up? And it's merely coincidental that the centre of the outbreak is right next to the same biolab.


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Quoted from Dustin

if you did read deeper then you would have read: Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here.


And if you had read it, you would know that the "other theories of it's origin" they are referring to, are the these two:
Natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer
Natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer
not the theory it was made in a lab.
This is the sentence in their paper
"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."


Quoted from Dustin
SARS... is SARS-Cov... what we are seeing now is the sequel, SARS-Cov-2

Proof that SARS-Cov escaped from the same lab should not be necessary as it's a known fact and the Chinese readily admitted it. Here is an article from 2004.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137

How embarrassing for them to have SARS-Cov-2 escape 16 or so years later. Worth covering it up? And it's merely coincidental that the centre of the outbreak is right next to the same biolab.


That's more like it - something tangible.

That's all I'm after. I'm actually open-minded about the cause and I certainly have a distrust of the Chinese government - But when people argue these theories, I want them to have something to back it up rather than fleeting statements.

Anyway, that's it from me - getting distracted from the 7WC.

Thanks for the debate, Dustin.



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And if you had read it, you would know that the "other theories of it's origin" they are referring to, are the these two:
Natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer
Natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer
not the theory it was made in a lab.
This is the sentence in their paper
"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."


But their analyses does not clearly show that. It merely shows that SARS-Cov-2 could have adapted either in humans (post-transfer) or bats (pre-transfer). Just because it's possible that happened, it doesn't make it impossible that it was lab-developed. It's an imperfect match shows to me more that it was bioengineered, they (the scientists) were merely having difficulty meshing the virus together.


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You should have a mistrust of all governments. If the Chinese government is covering this up then so is ours. Possibly because the safety of our own biolabs would be called into question. What the fuck are we doing messing with this shit?

I actually do get it. We're afraid. It's easy to think we want to use them as weapons and it's not like we don't... but above all, we are afraid of viruses and we need to study their patterns, their adaptive and evolutionary processes, so if something nasty does come along, we may have the tools to and understanding to combat it.

But, still... I'd rather we didn't. I'm a believer in natural selection... human beings are the most adaptive species on the planet. Numerous viruses have assailed us in the past. I read a theory once that suggested a symbiotic relationship with a virus helped us evolve from caveman to smart human.


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The problem with the Bat Soup theory in terms of evidence is "Where is the Bat soup to prove it?".

Also from the European Food Agency:

Can COVID-19 (coronavirus) be passed on through food?
There is no evidence to suggest that COVID-19 is passed on through food.

Coronaviruses need a host (animal or human) to grow in and cannot grow in food. Thorough cooking is expected to kill the virus.

https://www.fsai.ie/faq/coronavirus.html

Everything dies at 165 degrees.  

It's also undermined both by the Chinese President's actions declaring higher standards of bio containment (There's only one bio lab: In Wuhan) and the subsequent failure to tell Western Governments, and their persecution of the Doctors who revealed there was a new virus operating. All of those things are a matter of public record.

Their actions all seem to suggest some form of guilt and pre-knowledge of what it was.

It's a bit like a man chopping up a body and hiding it,but then declaring that the victim died of natural causes. It's possible, but all the actions after the event make it seem a lot less likely.

Whether or not it's bio-engineered is largely a moot point..it's how it was transmitted that is the key factor.

Either way: Whether it's been caused by simple poor hygiene, followed by a cover up, or a leak from a bio lab followed by a cover up, it's a pretty egregious error.


China is far from alone in these kind of things:

From an Official Report on Fort Detrick:

The U.S. General Accounting Office issued a report on September 28, 1994, which stated that between 1940 and 1974, DOD and other national security agencies studied hundreds of thousands of human subjects in tests and experiments involving hazardous substances.

The quote from the study:

Many experiments that tested various biological agents on human subjects, referred to as Operation Whitecoat, were carried out at Fort Detrick, Maryland, in the 1950s. The human subjects originally consisted of volunteer enlisted men. However, after the enlisted men staged a sitdown strike to obtain more information about the dangers of the biological tests, Seventh-day Adventists (SDAs) who were conscientious objectors were recruited for the studies.[10]


The US Government tested biological weapons on its own subjects. These are the types of people that you are dealing with in these laboratories and at the upper echelons of Government.

They're psychopaths.
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... And Libby - as far as being ageist, I’m not, and I treat no one differently. Ever. But I can’t help not , when you’re working with the public, to see a person who’s in the so-called “danger zone” and not feel a little wary. This is what we’re being told. Otherwise, I try and keep my distance from everyone.
I wish I could write. I’d like to.


Of course you're not, I know that, Steve, I've known you long enough (and read enough of your work) to know you're one of the gooduns. My post was uncharacteristically missing an emoji to lighten the tone.  Personally, I don't discriminate - old, young, middling - all potential hazmat.  


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Of course you're not, I know that, Steve, I've known you long enough (and read enough of your work) to know you're one of the gooduns. My post was uncharacteristically missing an emoji to lighten the tone.  Personally, I don't discriminate - old, young, middling - all potential hazmat.  


Good. I’m glad you know that. Wouldn’t want to give the wrong impression. Now to figure out what to do next...

My job literally let me go because business is so down. He won’t admit that though - he says they’re shutting him down and I know he’s lying. One option is I could collect unemployment, which I feel would be the safe choice, given the circumstances. Or...

My wife suggested I go to work at Target, Walmart or a grocery store, as they are considered essential stores and will remain open. Nothing like putting me on the front lines, right honey?


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Update from California:

So, daughter and son-in-law ended up having to go to the ER last night. They have all of the virus symptoms and last night she started coughing up blood.

The first one they went to near their apartment turned them away. They were at capacity and basically said - good luck.

The second one had a tent center set up. They for there oxygen levels checked, temperatures taken, and were scheduled for chest x-rays assuming they could wait around outside in the cold for ten hours - there was a ten hour backlog.

No test despite displaying all the system because the hospital only had a few left and they had not traveled outside the country.  Yes - here you still have to have had traveled outside the US to get a test. Despite the fact that now the US has more than double the cases of South Korea which ironically is one of the countries you could get a test for if you traveled there. So tired of moronic rules. Just say we ain't testing and you are presumed to have the virus. To say you had to travel when we are LIVING in one of the most infected areas is insane. Just fucking say no tests are available

GOOD NEWS

Both of them are feeling better today. Still coughing - but appetite starting to return so I think they are on the mend.



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I'd go the unemployment benefits route, Steve.... though I have no clue how good your social security system is. ? You won't be the only one in that boat - they're predicting applications to soar here despite govt promising bail-out options, one-off payments to welfare recipients, families, businesses etc.

What a mess, eh?

So sorry to hear about your job. Look at it perhaps like you needed a change? Not being glib.


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Oh wow, Dave!!!!!!!! I'm glad to hear they are feeling better. You should probably stay away from them though. Considering age and such.

Scary thing is now they say that men are twice as likely to die from it than women. I worry about my husband.

My daughter-in-law, the midwife, had a woman come in yesterday to have her baby. She was sick. They asked her all the questions to find out if she had Corona. She said no to all the questions that would check one of the boxes. After the baby was born, she mentioned that yes, her cousin had been tested positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! This put all the staff at extra risk! People that are already working more hours than safe.   >


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Update from California:

So, daughter and son-in-law ended up having to go to the ER last night. They have all of the virus symptoms and last night she started coughing up blood.

The first one they went to near their apartment turned them away. They were at capacity and basically said - good luck.

The second one had a tent center set up. They for there oxygen levels checked, temperatures taken, and were scheduled for chest x-rays assuming they could wait around outside in the cold for ten hours - there was a ten hour backlog.

No test despite displaying all the system because the hospital only had a few left and they had not traveled outside the country.  Yes - here you still have to have had traveled outside the US to get a test. Despite the fact that now the US has more than double the cases of South Korea which ironically is one of the countries you could get a test for if you traveled there. So tired of moronic rules. Just say we ain't testing and you are presumed to have the virus. To say you had to travel when we are LIVING in one of the most infected areas is insane. Just fucking say no tests are available

GOOD NEWS

Both of them are feeling better today. Still coughing - but appetite starting to return so I think they are on the mend.


Whew! Scary business, Dave.
Very happy to hear they appear on the up.



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Oh wow, Dave!!!!!!!! I'm glad to hear they are feeling better. You should probably stay away from them though. Considering age and such.

Scary thing is now they say that men are twice as likely to die from it than women. I worry about my husband.

My daughter-in-law, the midwife, had a woman come in yesterday to have her baby. She was sick. They asked her all the questions to find out if she had Corona. She said no to all the questions that would check one of the boxes. After the baby was born, she mentioned that yes, her cousin had been tested positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! This put all the staff at extra risk! People that are already working more hours than safe.   >

Oh wow what a cruelty. She’s been exposed, she might be a carrier! And she’s out there delivering babies... wow.

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Good to hear Dave. Hope they heal fast from now on.
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...Scary thing is now they say that men are twice as likely to die from it than women. I worry about my husband.

My daughter-in-law, the midwife, had a woman come in yesterday to have her baby. She was sick. They asked her all the questions to find out if she had Corona. She said no to all the questions that would check one of the boxes. After the baby was born, she mentioned that yes, her cousin had been tested positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! This put all the staff at extra risk! People that are already working more hours than safe.   >

What? She forgot that bit? Crazy.

Pia, are you and your husband in self-isolation?
Have you any charitable organisations that can shop and drop for you?
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Dave,

So glad to hear they’re doing better! The ordeal they, and probably countless others, have gone through is scary. I so hope they continue to improve.


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Dave,

So glad to hear they’re doing better! The ordeal they, and probably countless others, have gone through is scary. I so hope they continue to improve.


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Another day in the books. I find myself walking around a good deal of the time with what feels like butterflies in my stomach. It's a nervous kind of excitement (emphasis nervous) that you might feel when something good is about to happen. I'm guessing, however, that it's anxiety.

It all feels so surreal. Like the days immediately following 9/11, just different. I grew up on Long Island, some 30 mi from NYC, so 9/11 happened literally in my backyard, so to speak. It's kind of like you're just walking around in stunned disbelief, thinking that there's just no way this is real.

At some points my day feels almost normal. I'm at the supermarket. The convenience store. The sun came out after an early rain and everything seemed okay. My wife's a real trooper, though. She doesn't dare let on to anyone how nervous she actually is. And I get it, but I don't. It just confirms my suspicions about her all along: She is not human!


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I agree, Steve, it is incredibly surreal. As was 911, even for us on the other side of the world. I can only imagine being there during that time.

So... They've just announced our iconic Bondi Beach is closed. People were sharing the public facilities - loos, and showers. And just being too close for comfort, or at least pandemic, anyway.

https://www.smh.com.au/politic.....20200321-p54chw.html

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I wonder how Andrew is? He just moved to Sydney...


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In all the Coronavirus madness I ended up getting KO'd by the normal flu tuesday night lol

I'm on the mend.
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Lib, the Bondi one was more to do with the 500 max in one place lol. When the lockdown starts - hopefully it doesn’t but I’m not holding my breath - then no one will be at the beach. And in another month it will be getting chilly in Sydney I guess lol.

I read an interesting comment on a forum the other day - the advent of the virus means an end to the political correctness that has ‘infected’ our world the last few years. And someone mentioned that reality tv and other rubbish entertainment will vanish if things go completely arse up. After we get back to ‘normal’, people won’t be wasting their money on frivolous things I imagine, especially the ones without jobs. It may be a surreal new lifestyle for us all

Dave, great to see you fam is better. All the best to you all



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Yip. Stevie, did you see the Minister on camera live at Bondi with his officers huddled in for the shot? Now, I think that's a bit ironic when you're preaching spatial awareness.

What lockdown will entail I don't know and I'm not sure I want to.
On your other point I remain sceptical as to a new normal. Be interesting to see if anything changes.


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In all the Coronavirus madness I ended up getting KO'd by the normal flu tuesday night lol
I'm on the mend.

Glad to hear it, Pen... the on the mend bit.


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No I don’t watch any of this on tv Lib lol

I actually know what a lockdown means as a customer at work the other night told me that govt friends txted her and it was gonna starts last Thursday the 19th. Obviously it didn’t but the govt have it prepared at some stage

Thats when all non essential shops and businesses close.  Only supermarkets, banks, servos etc open .   Not sure on restaurants and fast food - prolly be shut.  You can only leave home to get food or if you are working in one of the above - that’s me lol     The lady showed me the text    It was legit as other people have said they heard of this from connected friends too



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No I don’t watch any of this on tv Lib lol

I think I might take a leaf out of your book.


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Dave, glad to hear things appear to be on the mend. Have you had physical contact at all? The incubation period of the virus is around 10 days, which is why I thought I had gotten away with it when my gf and kids were almost well. I went down last. I even jinxed myself as two days before I went down, I mentioned my heavy weed consumption protects me from viruses. I was so confident too.

Steve, sorry to hear you lost your job... but maybe your boss is telling the truth. With all the panic-buying, it's hard to imagine businesses, aside from pubs and restaurants, not doing well.

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Work gave me my two-week notice yesterday. As I'm self-employed I'm not entitled to most of the support packages the UK government outlined this week, just Universal Credit which is £94 a week. I doubt anyone is hiring contractors right now in my line of work but I'll try my best.

The good news, I will have more time for writing - yeah!
Bad news, I have to use my retirement savings until I can find work again.

Once this is over though, the cost will be huge. Here's something I just put on my Facebook page. I imagine in the US and in the EU it will be a similar story:

Some food for thought. Between 2007-2009 the Government spent 137 billion bailing out the banks, which lead to ten years of austerity measures, even though the banks paid a fair chunk of that back. https://fullfact.org/…/1-trillion-not-spent-bailing-out-ba…/

The other day the government announced a £350 billion business support package, followed yesterday by an 80% wage guarantee for PAYE workers which will cost an estimated £78 billion. https://www.google.com/…/government-pay-wages-jobs-coronavi…

So with us already committed to spending more than double the amount to rescue the banks, how are we supposed to pay for all this? Don't get me wrong, I think the government has no choice, but what is the plan? And how can we possibly afford Brexit now?


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I wonder if Brexit might actually help here, as the cost for those in the EU will be huge too.

You’re right though Mark, will be hard to imagine this isn’t going to have a huge effect on us long term.

Good luck with finding work!
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Hope everythings okay, Dave. I'm assuming they aren't in an at risk group age-wise, don't know about underlying conditions.


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Whew! Scary business, Dave.
Very happy to hear they appear on the up.



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Hope everythings okay, Dave. I'm assuming they aren't in an at risk group age-wise, don't know about underlying conditions.


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Main things folks just like the flu and other viruses. We are all wired differently and our immune systems react different at different times. All any of US can do is just take the precautions and take care of one another and ride this "Viral Crisis" out together. Hope EVERYONE stays well and stay strong and "this too shall pass". In the mean time let’s just continue to support one another and be kind to one another.


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Hubby and I were doing yard work today. While looking for some Jomax in the garage we found a box of N95 face masks. There were 25 in it. We gave the box to our midwife DIL. She cried. How sad is that?


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Dave, glad to hear things appear to be on the mend. Have you had physical contact at all? The incubation period of the virus is around 10 days, which is why I thought I had gotten away with it when my gf and kids were almost well. I went down last. I even jinxed myself as two days before I went down, I mentioned my heavy weed consumption protects me from viruses. I was so confident too.

Steve, sorry to hear you lost your job... but maybe your boss is telling the truth. With all the panic-buying, it's hard to imagine businesses, aside from pubs and restaurants, not doing well.

Penoyer, how do you know you had flu and not coronavirus?


Thanks, Dustin.  My daughter was over to the house 13 days ago, I know the virus lasts on surfaces for a few days - but so far, so good. I would have thought the weed would have killed it


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Hubby and I were doing yard work today. While looking for some Jomax in the garage we found a box of N95 face masks. There were 25 in it. We gave the box to our midwife DIL. She cried. How sad is that?

Now, see that's the attitude. Someone else would have tried to flog them for a fortune. Nice one, Pia.



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Main things folks just like the flu and other viruses. We are all wired differently and our immune systems react different at different times. All any of US can do is just take the precautions and take care of one another and ride this "Viral Crisis" out together. Hope EVERYONE stays well and stay strong and "this too shall pass". In the mean time let’s just continue to support one another and be kind to one another.

Sensible sound advice. Couldn't have said it better.  


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Hubby and I were doing yard work today. While looking for some Jomax in the garage we found a box of N95 face masks. There were 25 in it. We gave the box to our midwife DIL. She cried. How sad is that?


How’s your daughter in law and the new baby doing? Hopefully they are well
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Now, see that's the attitude. Someone else would have tried to flog them for a fortune. Nice one, Pia.


We use them at work for dust, but now we are out. At some point, my husband must have brought a box home with intention to use while doing yard work, but it's probably been a couple of years. We just found this box by chance today.




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How’s your daughter in law and the new baby doing? Hopefully they are well


DIL is okay. I have no idea how the new corona mother and baby are doing. Hopefully they're okay, but we haven't talked about it. Very wreckless though...


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I need to chill. I think the stress of being home all day with everyone is getting to me. Today was irritable at worst: at best, passable with a few fun moments with the kids.

It seems like everyone is outside, though. Walking, biking, playing with the kids. It's quite refreshing, actually, to see your neighbors out and about doing things. Kinda like the good ol days, as it were, even though I don't remember them much except I was always outside. Only as I grew older did I spend more time alone, my creative side festering to the surface.

And I feel fine. My family feels fine. I've been sort of sick for the past few weeks, and last week developed a cough. I made the necessary phone calls, was told I wasn't high risk, maybe I just had a touch of bronchitis. My hope, at this point, is that I had it already and it's on it's way out. Gone. I hope.

I mentioned how this felt like the days following 9/11 the other day. Remember all the American flags that popped out of nowhere? They were everywhere. All these people outside lately, I think that's the response to this hardship we're facing. I think maybe it's bringing us all closer. Hopefully.


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Penoyer, how do you know you had flu and not coronavirus?


I guess it COULD be. the variance in reported symptoms has been frustrating for self diagnose purposes.

i'm about 4-5 days in with true symptoms and have had hardly any cough to speak of....

Mostly fever, head aches, body aches, sore through, runny/stuffy nose, and fatigue.

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I guess it COULD be. the variance in reported symptoms has been frustrating for self diagnose purposes.

i'm about 4-5 days in with true symptoms and have had hardly any cough to speak of....

Mostly fever, head aches, body aches, sore through, runny/stuffy nose, and fatigue.


Yeah, it could be. It does sound like flu though too. Hopefully, this is the coronavirus and you're getting it out of the way.

Get well soon,


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DIL is okay. I have no idea how the new corona mother and baby are doing. Hopefully they're okay, but we haven't talked about it. Very wreckless though...


Oh for some reason I read it all wrong from the get go. Thought your DIL was the new mom. Ok, I’m glad she’s alright.


I ordered masks online for a 50. Haven’t received them yet tho. Nobody wears them where I leave except for people who come to work. Maybe soon we will all start wearing them
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Work gave me my two-week notice yesterday. As I'm self-employed I'm not entitled to most of the support packages the UK government outlined this week, just Universal Credit which is £94 a week. I doubt anyone is hiring contractors right now in my line of work but I'll try my best.

The good news, I will have more time for writing - yeah!
Bad news, I have to use my retirement savings until I can find work again.

Once this is over though, the cost will be huge. Here's something I just put on my Facebook page. I imagine in the US and in the EU it will be a similar story:

Some food for thought. Between 2007-2009 the Government spent 137 billion bailing out the banks, which lead to ten years of austerity measures, even though the banks paid a fair chunk of that back. https://fullfact.org/…/1-trillion-not-spent-bailing-out-ba…/

The other day the government announced a £350 billion business support package, followed yesterday by an 80% wage guarantee for PAYE workers which will cost an estimated £78 billion. https://www.google.com/…/government-pay-wages-jobs-coronavi…

So with us already committed to spending more than double the amount to rescue the banks, how are we supposed to pay for all this? Don't get me wrong, I think the government has no choice, but what is the plan? And how can we possibly afford Brexit now?


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I'm staring t this blank space not too sure what to write tonight. I find myself thinking about writing a new short, about a job interview I have lined up, about what tomorrow and the day after that will bring. I look for glimmers of hope in all the news stories I see and hear. I think about my marriage and my family, and how one of the few things I really want in this life is to make them proud of me.

In my early teens I knew I wanted to be a writer. Ever since I read Cujo. In my late teens I got a word processor for Christmas. I was beyond ecstatic. Many things were written, discarded, printed, forgotten. But one piece stood out, and because something happened while writing it I'll never forget. The story was about four friends who had gotten back together at their old childhood home, now grown, with lives (and Pasts) they had to deal with. And one of these friends was so scarred that he had chosen this time to commit suicide. And he would do it out on the lake by attaching a weight to his ankles and jumping in. So he did, and while underwater, at the sandy bottom, saw a surreal vision of his older brother, a war hero, as though he were waving troops to safety. It was almost as if he were waving to his brother, saying it was okay to come here with me, but it might be better to go back, it's not your time.

I don't know what happened to that story. Maybe pieces of it are somewhere as I have a habit of saving things from long ago (I still have several notebooks from high school). But this is what stands out about that work - as I was writing that particular scene, I had never felt so locked in. So passionate about anything before or since. I remember I was sweating. I remember shaking. It was like the words were being written solely by my fingertips tapping on the keys. It was like it was magic.

Now I don't know if that story was any good or not. It seemed like it was at the time. Point being this... That moment was the unlocking. It was me passing through that door, splintering off its hinges. But sadly, or maybe not so sadly, depending on how you look at it, it's also me not being able, or willing, to try and find my way back. It's this certain disconnect I've always felt. From others, from myself. I also think it's the reason I feel people either love me or hate me. I don't know.

What the fuck am I talking about here?


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Ah Steve, you're just stuck in your head like a lot of us writer types can be.

Lots going on in the world to make the mind wander.

If it helps any, I'm sure your family are proud of you. I'm in the camp that loves your work, and that script/story of yours - when you became 'unlocked' sounds like it might be time to resurrect the idea.


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I'm staring t this blank space not too sure what to write tonight. I find myself thinking about writing a new short, about a job interview I have lined up, about what tomorrow and the day after that will bring. I look for glimmers of hope in all the news stories I see and hear. I think about my marriage and my family, and how one of the few things I really want in this life is to make them proud of me.

In my early teens I knew I wanted to be a writer. Ever since I read Cujo. In my late teens I got a word processor for Christmas. I was beyond ecstatic. Many things were written, discarded, printed, forgotten. But one piece stood out, and because something happened while writing it I'll never forget. The story was about four friends who had gotten back together at their old childhood home, now grown, with lives (and Pasts) they had to deal with. And one of these friends was so scarred that he had chosen this time to commit suicide. And he would do it out on the lake by attaching a weight to his ankles and jumping in. So he did, and while underwater, at the sandy bottom, saw a surreal vision of his older brother, a war hero, as though he were waving troops to safety. It was almost as if he were waving to his brother, saying it was okay to come here with me, but it might be better to go back, it's not your time.

I don't know what happened to that story. Maybe pieces of it are somewhere as I have a habit of saving things from long ago (I still have several notebooks from high school). But this is what stands out about that work - as I was writing that particular scene, I had never felt so locked in. So passionate about anything before or since. I remember I was sweating. I remember shaking. It was like the words were being written solely by my fingertips tapping on the keys. It was like it was magic.

Now I don't know if that story was any good or not. It seemed like it was at the time. Point being this... That moment was the unlocking. It was me passing through that door, splintering off its hinges. But sadly, or maybe not so sadly, depending on how you look at it, it's also me not being able, or willing, to try and find my way back. It's this certain disconnect I've always felt. From others, from myself. I also think it's the reason I feel people either love me or hate me. I don't know.

What the fuck am I talking about here?



Wow, dude, that sounds like a deep opening to a novel right there, that, and you were most likely in a state of automatic writing. If the details are still there (in your head); then definitely try to pick up where you left off, maybe you’ll gain the same momentum as you did back then. Most times automatic writing recipients have no recollection of what transpired. Sounds like you’re searching inside your head for answers as well. Hope you find your way through this strange mist, truly.

A good example that I recall of someone else being caught up in automatic writing was my Mom. I remember vividly, may years ago she (my Mom) was writing furiously at the kitchen table on a sketch pad for about a week or so, I was about 9 or 10 years old at the time. Like no one or nothing could tear her away from it, so I finally asked; “What are you writing?”

She said it was a story she called ‘Glass’, about an alien race coming to steal all the blond haired, blue eyed children, and when they (aliens) were around, all the glass in the house would break.

Hmm…? I thought, sounds creepy. Creepy cause my brothers and I both have blue eyes, and we all had blond hair up until about the age of about 6; then it went light brown. And I had a compulsive disorder that forced me to constantly steal objects from around the house and break them in behind the basement furnace to hear the glass shatter, and I would also bite into glass (cups) if given one to drink from so I could hear the glass break in my mouth (eventually I was given only plastic to drink from), and still, to this day if I try to meditate, when I get too close to a state of total somnambulism… the loud sharp sound of breaking glass will stir me to full awake.

I was born in Trenton; Ontario and my Dad was a personal driver for high level officials in the Air Force out of CFB 8 Wing. Years later I asked my Mom if she remembered any strange activity that had ever happened when we lived there (I was prodding for covert military or even alien type shit she might have seen); she said no, but seemed very uneasy about it when I asked. So, then I asked if (my Dad) had seen anything, and she said she didn’t know, but indicated that he was not allowed to talk about it, even to this day, about anything he was involved with back then.

To go even more strange, I asked her (Mom) if she remembered the story she was writing called ‘Glass’, because I would love to know what was in her head, and why this strange affiliation with breaking glass was prevalent all my life; she said she had never, ever, remembered writing a story like that, but I know she did, so… what the hell now? I believe she was automatic writing, about what I need to know, what I feel is a missing piece of a strange puzzle that has enveloped my entire life, but I’ll probably never know if what she was writing was fiction or memories; because I’ve read over and over in several documents that ‘breaking glass’ (mirrors) is used during Monarch Programming of mind alters, but I can’t find confirmation if our family was involved in any MK Ultra shit from that air-base (8 Wing) or not cause one parent doesn’t remember… and the other can’t say. It’s not just breaking glass though, it’s a bunch of other shit too. All my screenplays are subtle or in your face Monarch Programming scripts (Alice in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz), my whole house is full of mirrors, un-synchronized clocks, and chandeliers; this being… glass, reflections of other selves, and time distortion. It allows me to exist in a state of ‘in between’, a digital sandbox where I try to construct reality with the belief that it won’t crumble away from one day to the next.


So, I’ll ask the same question; “What the hell am I talking about here?” Perhaps, with all that’s going on, it’s time to just say what I’ve always needed to say out loud; even if it’s just a small snippet thrown in the corner of the ‘Web’.


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For those who still believe they can hide from this:

https://thehill.com/changing-a.....et-coronavirus-twice

Even once you have recovered and tested negative, you may still be carrying the virus and be contagious. The best way to combat this virus is to live as healthily as possible. I know Dave and possibly some others smoke. There was a theory mentioned that smoke kills the virus but this isn't true. Smokers, of any age, almost immediately are in the vulnerable bracket.

Obviously, it's too much to expect smokers to just give up and especially when doing so may even make them more susceptible to catching it due to the inner workings of their body readjusting. So, perhaps patches will help? This way you still get the nicotine without abusing your lungs.

Just food for thought. Obviously, the number one most important thing is mental stability. If quitting affects this, then it's possibly better to continue.


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I'm struggling to understand why some people aren't taking this seriously.

Is it hard for some people to accept that things are no longer normal? It is human nature to resist change I suppose.

But over the weekend, Snowdonia national park recorded its busiest day ever, some lines on the London underground this morning were packed, and pictures emerge from all over the country of public places full of visitors clearly not 2 metres apart.

On a personal level, I've seen on social media my partner's cousin holding a cocktail party over the weekend, and a family friend having a kid's birthday party. I had to convince my brother and sisters (along with partners and kids) not to go to my mom's on Sunday for mothers day.

By not following government guidelines, the public is going to force their hand and they will lock us down - Police and the army will patrol the streets and punishment will fall on those who do not obey.
Very annoying for those who are following the guidelines.


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I was born in Trenton; Ontario and my Dad was a personal driver for high level officials in the Air Force out of CFB 8 Wing. Years later I asked my Mom if she remembered any strange activity that had ever happened when we lived there (I was prodding for covert military or even alien type shit she might have seen); she said no, but seemed very uneasy about it when I asked. So, then I asked if (my Dad) had seen anything, and she said she didn’t know, but indicated that he was not allowed to talk about it, even to this day, about anything he was involved with back then.


Interesting. My daughter and her husband were both officers in the USAF. They were both missileers in North Dakota. The people that actually launch the missiles  and no, it's not like in the movies. The president does not simply push a button. There are several safety steps and in case of a deranged president, they can actually decidw to not follow through on that order. My husband and I were both allowed to take a tour down to one of the capsules where they sit 60 feet under ground and control the missiles. It took a long time for us to get cleared. They did extensive check on me since I was a foreigner. Anyway, they both will tell you that absolutely weird shit goes on out there and they both will tell you that weird creatures have visited and the AF has security footage. I asked her if they are allowed to talk about, hoping I was getting some secrets, lol. She said they are allowed to talk about it, but no one does, because most people will just assume they are either crazy or lying.  


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I'm struggling to understand why some people aren't taking this seriously.

Is it hard for some people to accept that things are no longer normal? It is human nature to resist change I suppose.

But over the weekend, Snowdonia national park recorded its busiest day ever, some lines on the London underground this morning were packed, and pictures emerge from all over the country of public places full of visitors clearly not 2 metres apart.

On a personal level, I've seen on social media my partner's cousin holding a cocktail party over the weekend, and a family friend having a kid's birthday party. I had to convince my brother and sisters (along with partners and kids) not to go to my mom's on Sunday for mothers day.

By not following government guidelines, the public is going to force their hand and they will lock us down - Police and the army will patrol the streets and punishment will fall on those who do not obey.
Very annoying for those who are following the guidelines.


I chose to return to the UK yesterday, from Croatia...and happened to catch an Earthquake in Zagreb while I was doing it. For a second there, it got pretty Biblical!

Anyway, the UK is crazy. The place is rife with disease and noone is protecting themselves. Noone is wearing masks or gloves, even the people who serve in the supermarkets. Everyone is using bare hands to pump petrol, noone is respecting space.

In Croatia, where there are hardly any cases in comparison, everyone is standing two metres apart almost 100% of people are wearing masks, gloves and hats.

The UK's position is bizarre. A lockdown that isn't lockdown, whilst at the same time everyone is deliberately exposing themselves and others. I honestly can't believe it.
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I hope all of you and your families are good. My mother has hypertension almost for a week. She is also cancer patient. She is afraid of coronavirus. In Turkey, we don't have enough test kits. They make test the people only come from abroad. Other patients are not lucky. The doctors check their liver and if they don't see any problem, they send the patients to home in spite of high fever. Doctors are complainant for this situation.
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A few days ago it was on the news here that all national parks would be free. Is it surprising, then, that this confusing message resulted in many more than usual flocking to the national parks?

There is now talk of food rationing and, something even more horrifying, I read a report that Australians are... gulp... being asked to ration their internet usage!


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I honestly think the plan here is to get this thing over as quickly as possible while saving the burden to the health service. If they can get everybody who is going to die to just stay at home and do so, the rest of humanity will all be a lot better off.


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For those who still believe they can hide from this:

https://thehill.com/changing-a.....et-coronavirus-twice

Even once you have recovered and tested negative, you may still be carrying the virus and be contagious. The best way to combat this virus is to live as healthily as possible. I know Dave and possibly some others smoke. There was a theory mentioned that smoke kills the virus but this isn't true. Smokers, of any age, almost immediately are in the vulnerable bracket.

Obviously, it's too much to expect smokers to just give up and especially when doing so may even make them more susceptible to catching it due to the inner workings of their body readjusting. So, perhaps patches will help? This way you still get the nicotine without abusing your lungs.

Just food for thought. Obviously, the number one most important thing is mental stability. If quitting affects this, then it's possibly better to continue.


God,  I only wish smoke killed the virus - but it actually makes you much more susceptible to a severe reaction as the virus instantly attacks the cilia in the lungs that smoking gradually attacks.

Smoking is bad for you....but

There is a little bit in the back of my mind now that is losing regret for all high risk behavior I have engage in my life time - everything from that extra desert to ,,,,insert the worst of your vices here. Kind of like - fuck it - we really don't have any control over when we go. Don't sweat the details of how you get there.





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A few days ago it was on the news here that all national parks would be free. Is it surprising, then, that this confusing message resulted in many more than usual flocking to the national parks?

There is now talk of food rationing and, something even more horrifying, I read a report that Australians are... gulp... being asked to ration their internet usage!


All messages here in the States are confusing as hell.


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I read a report that Australians are... gulp... being asked to ration their internet usage!

I read yesterday that Netflix in Europe will start streaming lower quality rates to ease the burden of the internet.



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I read yesterday that Netflix in Europe will start streaming lower quality rates to ease the burden of the internet.



All they have to do is to short down the porn sites and adult chat rooms and will have more bandwidth then we know what to do with.


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I'm late to the party, as usual. Didn't see this journal till today but am now caught up!

I'm one of the peeps who is laid off...(bartender). So is my daughter and son who both work in bar/restaurants.  10 days ago, my daughter was notified by CDC that she was named as on of the people who served a girl who was visiting our very busy downtown while she was sick and showing symptoms and days later tested positive for CV19.  My daughter has self-quarantined and been very responsible. So far there is one confirmed case connected to the sick girl who partied her ass off for days downtown.

I'm in the 7 week challenge, just working on getting my brain to focus on writing. And hopefully to stop binge eating all the freakin food in my house!!!!  

I CAN'T STOP EATING!!!!!!  


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Wow, dude, that sounds like a deep opening to a novel right there, that, and you were most likely in a state of automatic writing. If the details are still there (in your head); then definitely try to pick up where you left off, maybe you’ll gain the same momentum as you did back then. Most times automatic writing recipients have no recollection of what transpired. Sounds like you’re searching inside your head for answers as well. Hope you find your way through this strange mist, truly.

A good example that I recall of someone else being caught up in automatic writing was my Mom. I remember vividly, may years ago she (my Mom) was writing furiously at the kitchen table on a sketch pad for about a week or so, I was about 9 or 10 years old at the time. Like no one or nothing could tear her away from it, so I finally asked; “What are you writing?”

She said it was a story she called ‘Glass’, about an alien race coming to steal all the blond haired, blue eyed children, and when they (aliens) were around, all the glass in the house would break.

Hmm…? I thought, sounds creepy. Creepy cause my brothers and I both have blue eyes, and we all had blond hair up until about the age of about 6; then it went light brown. And I had a compulsive disorder that forced me to constantly steal objects from around the house and break them in behind the basement furnace to hear the glass shatter, and I would also bite into glass (cups) if given one to drink from so I could hear the glass break in my mouth (eventually I was given only plastic to drink from), and still, to this day if I try to meditate, when I get too close to a state of total somnambulism… the loud sharp sound of breaking glass will stir me to full awake.

I was born in Trenton; Ontario and my Dad was a personal driver for high level officials in the Air Force out of CFB 8 Wing. Years later I asked my Mom if she remembered any strange activity that had ever happened when we lived there (I was prodding for covert military or even alien type shit she might have seen); she said no, but seemed very uneasy about it when I asked. So, then I asked if (my Dad) had seen anything, and she said she didn’t know, but indicated that he was not allowed to talk about it, even to this day, about anything he was involved with back then.

To go even more strange, I asked her (Mom) if she remembered the story she was writing called ‘Glass’, because I would love to know what was in her head, and why this strange affiliation with breaking glass was prevalent all my life; she said she had never, ever, remembered writing a story like that, but I know she did, so… what the hell now? I believe she was automatic writing, about what I need to know, what I feel is a missing piece of a strange puzzle that has enveloped my entire life, but I’ll probably never know if what she was writing was fiction or memories; because I’ve read over and over in several documents that ‘breaking glass’ (mirrors) is used during Monarch Programming of mind alters, but I can’t find confirmation if our family was involved in any MK Ultra shit from that air-base (8 Wing) or not cause one parent doesn’t remember… and the other can’t say. It’s not just breaking glass though, it’s a bunch of other shit too. All my screenplays are subtle or in your face Monarch Programming scripts (Alice in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz), my whole house is full of mirrors, un-synchronized clocks, and chandeliers; this being… glass, reflections of other selves, and time distortion. It allows me to exist in a state of ‘in between’, a digital sandbox where I try to construct reality with the belief that it won’t crumble away from one day to the next.


So, I’ll ask the same question; “What the hell am I talking about here?” Perhaps, with all that’s going on, it’s time to just say what I’ve always needed to say out loud; even if it’s just a small snippet thrown in the corner of the ‘Web’.


That, Gum, is a truly amazing story and sounds like the beginning of a good story. Something about the glass breaking resonates with me - you chewing on it. That's weird, man, and somehow deserves an explanation.

I'm not sure I ever heard of automatic writing, but I'll look it up. Sounds totally plausible, and very much like what I was feeling back then.

And yes, like you, I'm just saying what I'm feeling at the moment I sit to write here. It's cathartic and, honestly, feels like the only place I would ever want to write about such things. At least people here seem as crazy as me sometimes. I post this shit on FB then everyone is gonna know I'm a freakin loon.


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Ah Steve, you're just stuck in your head like a lot of us writer types can be.

Lots going on in the world to make the mind wander.

If it helps any, I'm sure your family are proud of you. I'm in the camp that loves your work, and that script/story of yours - when you became 'unlocked' sounds like it might be time to resurrect the idea.


Thanks for saying that, Libby. I am also in the camp who loves my work. Just kidding.

And yes, I am in my head right now. It's a pretty scary place.  


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So, they push through the media that we don't bulk buy whilst telling us that we may also have to ration food, psychologically causing even more bulk buying. They declare that national parks will be free for all and then use the footage to suggest we need tougher restrictions. Everyone has to work from home, so now we must also have our internet rationed. No more groups, no more rights to protest, no more rights to party whenever we want to.

Our psychology is being fucked with. The robots of humanity are out in full force parroting what they hear on the news. As a determined free-thinking individual, I find this a very scary time and I'm not bothered at all about the virus.


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Right now, on the news, they're showing busy tube trains... yet tube services have been drastically cut. They're using footage of people going to work to suggest people are out enjoying themselves. Most of the streets outside the inner city, parks, etc are already empty... so why are they portraying this fake image? Why are our thoughts being directed?


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God,  I only wish smoke killed the virus - but it actually makes you much more susceptible to a severe reaction as the virus instantly attacks the cilia in the lungs that smoking gradually attacks.

Smoking is bad for you....but

There is a little bit in the back of my mind now that is losing regret for all high risk behavior I have engage in my life time - everything from that extra desert to ,,,,insert the worst of your vices here. Kind of like - fuck it - we really don't have any control over when we go. Don't sweat the details of how you get there.





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Interesting. My daughter and her husband were both officers in the USAF. They were both missileers in North Dakota. The people that actually launch the missiles  and no, it's not like in the movies. The president does not simply push a button. There are several safety steps and in case of a deranged president, they can actually decidw to not follow through on that order. My husband and I were both allowed to take a tour down to one of the capsules where they sit 60 feet under ground and control the missiles. It took a long time for us to get cleared. They did extensive check on me since I was a foreigner. Anyway, they both will tell you that absolutely weird shit goes on out there and they both will tell you that weird creatures have visited and the AF has security footage. I asked her if they are allowed to talk about, hoping I was getting some secrets, lol. She said they are allowed to talk about it, but no one does, because most people will just assume they are either crazy or lying.  


That’s pretty cool… scary, but cool. Scary that a nuclear holocaust is just a button push away; I mean, I know there’s a shitload of protocol in place: keys, launch codes, etc. but at the end of the day it’s a button… a freakin’ button, man. And that ‘button’ may one day be controlled by A.I. Which is even scarier. And yes, even with the enormous amount of evidence out there claiming that E.T.s are (and have been here) since the dawn of time, no one really comes out of the woodwork when they see anything - for fear of being ostracized from the village. I honestly thought Trump was going to go full outlet on this by now and let the cat out of the bag re: all the deep-state tech gathered via reverse engineering of alien crafts they have in possession. Oh well, maybe one day the truth will be revealed… but I’m not holding my breath.

Curious, North Dakota is only about 1 and ½ hours from here. We used to go cross border shopping all the time, everyone did, even when the (Canadian) dollar was shit, which is pretty much all the time. Anyway, pre 9/11, going from Manitoba to ND was easy-peasy, you only needed a driver’s license to cross, now you need a passport to drive across. Last time I went, my wife and myself were separated from our daughters and taken to interview rooms where we were subjected to a bunch of questions. Why? Solely based on a prior misdemeanor I had when I was 18 years old! No charges were laid because it was only a misdemeanor, but because I had to appear before the Crown, they wanted to know what it was and made me sign forms and shit that they could deny my access to the States if they wanted to. We were allowed to enter the States after they realized it was nothing short of a juvenile delinquency, but I was forever disenchanted with the whole cross border shopping from that… so much to the extent that I haven’t been back to ND since, that was about 10 years ago.

Flying into the States from Canada was easy too. It’s not too bad now, just busier, but it was way easier back then; you only had to go through local airport authority screening – which consisted of a dude with a metal detector wand. You are actually pre-cleared via TSA in the Canadian airports now (if flying to the States). At Pearson (Toronto) you’re actually pre-cleared to the extent that you enter American soil after clearance… seriously - in the Canadian airport you are actually in the United States of America after clearance, and if you want to exit that area back into Canadian territory, well… you have to go through Canadian customs, and you better have a damn good reason why. Good thing is, when your pre-cleared you actually fly from Canada as if you’re taking a domestic flight in the States; you land, get your luggage, and away you go.

But that being said, my big question now is… after seeing first hand what civil liberties and ease of access were taken away from Americans and Canadians after 9/11, what further civil liberties are going to be taken away if they go into full Martial Law lock-down of all states and provinces because of this pandemic bullshit? Which appears to be happening as I speak. This shit is keeping me up at night, not the virus… the power grab on both sides of the border. Trudeau, working with the Canadian cell phone companies sent a text to all Canadians in the States (snowbirds who migrate during the winter) and abroad, saying; “Come home now.” He’s serious, he wants all Canadians back in Canada now… what does he know that we don’t? Global Martial Laws being enacted? This is so Orwellian that it’s not even comparable to everyone’s worst nightmare. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.

Anyway, on a lighter note, I hope you were in North Dakota in the summertime. Winter up in the Dakotas, like Manitoba, is cold as fuck, lol. But you probably knew that already. Thanks for the feedback!


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That, Gum, is a truly amazing story and sounds like the beginning of a good story. Something about the glass breaking resonates with me - you chewing on it. That's weird, man, and somehow deserves an explanation.

I'm not sure I ever heard of automatic writing, but I'll look it up. Sounds totally plausible, and very much like what I was feeling back then.

And yes, like you, I'm just saying what I'm feeling at the moment I sit to write here. It's cathartic and, honestly, feels like the only place I would ever want to write about such things. At least people here seem as crazy as me sometimes. I post this shit on FB then everyone is gonna know I'm a freakin loon.


Thank you for that, or as the Japanese would say; “Sore wa Domo”. Yes, so much info to dig into, but I easily get lost in the mix, especially when doing research; it’s very easy to go so deep down the rabbit hole, that you simply forget why you’re there to begin with.

I remember though, you mentioned you live in New York. You’ve probably heard of Montauk on Long Island? Lot’s of strange, covert, alien type shit went on there back in the day. Not only that, but I’ve read that its tentacles (experiments) had such a far reach into the populous of the entire surrounding areas (as in probably all of New York and its inhabitants) at the height of its covert operations, that everyone was affected in some shape or form. This includes somewhere like (literally millions) of people disappearing annually from the surrounding areas; some eventually found, some never. Anyway, yeah, it’s weird the things that come to the forefront of our minds - and topic of discussion - when the future looks bleak. But I think all of it’s for the better; we as humans can’t move forward with a new logic of thinking, or concept of reality, until this old tired one dies. And what a dance of death we’re all seeing.

Thanks for the feedback!


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Anyway, on a lighter note, I hope you were in North Dakota in the summertime. Winter up in the Dakotas, like Manitoba, is cold as fuck, lol. But you probably knew that already. Thanks for the feedback!


Nope. We were there in November, lol!


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All they have to do is to short down the porn sites and adult chat rooms and will have more bandwidth then we know what to do with.


Lol I said to the guys at work that a zombie apocalypse would be worse as there’d be no power, water or Internet porn



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Lol I said to the guys at work that a zombie apocalypse would be worse as there’d be no power, water or Internet porn


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I'm sure the porn sites will be first hit. The media merely needs to report on how important work cannot get done because inconsiderate bastards are masturbating, sometimes twice or more a day to internet porn, killing bandwidth. Ordinary men and women, working from home, are losing money and cannot put food on the table to support their families. CUT TO: Crying woman who is thinking of her children.

It will then become a crime to watch or produce internet porn and everyone will agree that anyone caught breaking the new law should receive 5 years in prison and a heavy fine. A small minority will want to bring back hanging just for this offence.


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Nope. We were there in November, lol!


Bummer! I feel your pain, I really do, lol. Strange how those mystical, magical, tall flowing wheat fields of summers’ lore suddenly turn to a morbid desolate tundra when the snow and wind come. Alas, thank god the summers are nice.

Nowhere near as hot as your neck of the woods, of course. I’ll be honest, I was in Orlando last August and was blown away at the heat. We usually go at Christmas or Spring Break, but summer? Ugh… every day, all day it felt like a sauna. I would go get a coffee at around 7am every morning and it was like 100F with 80% humidity, even then; and then there were these dudes laying sod one morning, seriously… laying big slabs of dirty muggy sod, and they were dressed head to toe in pants, sweaters, hats with towels covering their heads… fuck, I almost passed out just looking at them, but I guess you’re all used to it. Not me, lol, I couldn’t wait to get home to the cooler weather… I envy Florida weather in the winter, but not in the summer, I honestly don’t know how you guys do it.

I like that dude’s hat, btw.


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I like that dude�s hat, btw.

That dude is my husband, lol. The hat is a Soviet era tank commander hat. My husband is a bit of a comedian and he thought it would be funny to wear it when we went on the exclusive tour of the missile control. Our daughter and her now husband were horrified and told him to leave it in the car. They said the military has no sense of humor and would not find it funny.




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Lol, thing is… I assumed that was probably your husband, and I was about 99% sure that was a Russian hat; via the style and front insignia, but of course, I thought I’d better let you say it. And, yeah, after having a little sit down with a few American authority figures (Custom Guards), I’d agree… their humour level has been turned way down, if not off completely; at least, when the uniform is on. The hat’s even cooler now! Gotta get me one.


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What seems scary to me at the moment is Trump (and some Republicans) are insinuating that it will cost more to the economy to continue the lockdown than it will be to let it run rampant.  It sounds like a Thanos approach! There was even one Republican on Fox news who said grandparents wouldn't mind sacrificing themselves for the good of the economy! WTF?!?!?

The danger is, they lockdown for a few weeks and then just order everyone to go back to normal! Bloody hell!


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Thanos!! LOL

Sad but true.


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What seems scary to me at the moment is Trump (and some Republicans) are insinuating that it will cost more to the economy to continue the lockdown than it will be to let it run rampant.  It sounds like a Thanos approach! There was even one Republican on Fox news who said grandparents wouldn't mind sacrificing themselves for the good of the economy! WTF?!?!?

The danger is, they lockdown for a few weeks and then just order everyone to go back to normal! Bloody hell!


Everything our country is doing is to save the economy. This lockdown will only really affect ordinary people like us who need to work.

Social distancing will not save any lives, it will merely stagger the death toll over a number of months and, while we're at it, destroy livelihoods of those who would likely survive the virus.

It's crazy how this thing is sold to people to the level where they actually believe the social distancing measures are for their own benefit. Even tot he degree of shutting down their own business.

This is fucked up.

In my opinion, Trump is right.


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^ Silly opinion. Overwhelmed healthcare systems will absolutely increase the death toll.


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Unfortunately since Trump is a dildo, and there are so many people listening to that dildo and not taking this seriously, the efforts and sacrifices of those who do care are meaningless. Either everyone's on board or we might as well go back to work, go out, socialize and kill a percentage of the population. Myself included since I'm considered compromised due to diabetes. I really think that's his intention. He wants the old and weak dead. He's pretty old himself though.  He'd better watch it or this hoax might bite him in the ass.


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I really don't understand how people can look at video and pictures of what is going on in hospitals in Italy, Spain and several in the United States and think that lock downs are not necessary.

This is not about the death rate of the corona virus. This is about overwhelming the health care system and all the collateral damage that happens from that.  

If I'm a Doctor or a nurse and some government decides to end a lock down prematurely, I'm pretty sure I'm getting in my car and going home and say best of luck. You're on your own


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Now to the stupidly of the US Senate.

The Senate is still hasn’t reached agreement on their desire to do all the wrong things.  Don’t blame them. They’re having debates between the benefits of doing things that are kind of dumb versus things that are really dumb. That can create tough choices.

They apparently have around $2 trillion dollars to spend.  The entire GDP of the US (total product sales and services) for the US last year was about $21 trillion. If we shut every down business, small and large, and told 100% of the people to stay home for one month we’d lose 1.75 trillion in GDP.  But of course,  we did not lose 100% of business because not everything was shut down, some businesses went up (groceries, etc) and some States still have done nothing and have lost very little.

So, let’s say we lost 30% of our GDP (and that’s a very, very, high estimate) for the month of March. That’s $500 million in lost business income. So, for $500 million we could essentially guarantee every business in America that we would give them the difference between their monthly sales pre-virus and post virus. The caveat – they would have to agree to keep everyone on their payroll, hire back everyone they laid off  and compensate all their independent contractors. All that for less than a half of a trillion dollars.

There would be no need to increase unemployment because everyone would remain paid. There would be no need to continue to forgo mortgage and rent payments because everyone would be paid. The return to the robust economy when this is over would be easier because everyone would already be on the payroll. Our goal would shift from trying to increase unemployment benefits to decreasing unemployment.

We could basically do this for four months before we spent the $2 trillion dollars the Senate can’t agree on the dumb things they what to do with it.

By way of note, here are a few of the dumb things they are contemplating.
Democrats - Forgiving one month of student loan debt. Stupid. Payments should be put on hiatus but the amount owed shouldn’t be forgiven. Unless we are also going to do that for mortgages, credit card debt, etc.  Why the eff are you carving out student debt here???

Both Parties – direct payments to all Americans.  The latest Republican proposal laid out up to $1,200 in “recovery rebates” for Americans who make up to $75,000 a year and double that for couples and extra for families with children. Payments would have phased out for those with higher incomes and cut off at those who make $99,000 annually.  SO … if you were not economically harmed at all by the virus (please channel your inner Oprah here) – YOU GET A CHECK! If you are losing $5,000 in income a month you get enough to pay for the motel 6 after you’re evicted because you can’t pay for your mortgage. And if you don’t make enough money to be on the tax roll in the first place you may get nothing (please channel you inner Gene Wilder here) I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!   Just on face value, it is fucking insane to start off on a financial rescue package that treats all Americans as if they have been impacted the same when in fact the level of impact varies widely. If the impact varies widely – doesn’t the relief have to??

Republicans – want a half-billion dollars allocated for the Treasury Secretary to bail out unspecified companies with unspecified restrictions on where that money would go to. A non-starter (channel your inner George Bush, jr here (FOOL  ME ONCE – SHAME ON YOU…..WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN).

Democrats – “Unemployment on Steroids”. If you can't work because your business is closed you will get your full pay from the federal government and it'll cover the freelancers and you will be able to stay on this for 4 months. This is fairly stupid. Heart in the right place, fraught with problems. 1) stupid to have four months guaranteed. What if the crisis only lasts a month. You’re going to pay people full pay to stay at home? 2) You also want the businesses to stay open so that people  have a job to go back to when this is over (see plan above for business replacement income above).  

Democrats - including about two dozen social agenda measures that have zero to do with the virus. A pox on your house! (PS - I'm a Democrat)

So, my arrogant opinion (full of hubris) start the income replacement and jail expansion program immediately.

- Give income replacement to businesses that guarantee to keep paying their contractors and employees. If they don’t pay their workers, throw the business owners in jail.
- If a business request income replacement money when they have not been impacted by the virus - Throw them in jail. e.g., Walmart is not going to need $$, etc.
- At a minimum, do this for small business. They make up 99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms and half the work force. If you got to deal with the big boys separately - fine.
- Fully fund the safety nets fully for all who fall between the cracks.

This is different than the financial crisis. There are not fundamental problems with the underlying economy. America is just calling in sick for the month - maybe two. Find a rational way to get businesses the money to pay for the extra sick days and we will be fine. Blow two trillion on areas where problems don't exist and we are fucked.

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^ Silly opinion. Overwhelmed healthcare systems will absolutely increase the death toll.


The healthcare system is already overwhelmed. They can only get so full and are at capacity already. They're turning people away and telling people to die at home.

The cost to the economy after this is going to be huge. Not just because we're going to have a deficit greater than any recession can surely cope with but because people will be out of work and businesses will have gone under.

As it stands, our roads are poorly maintained and services designed to help people in need have been drastically cut. Is this going to improve once we enter the next recession? I can't actually see the economy surviving this without making a lot of people suddenly below the poverty line.

if 80% of people are going to be fine then why do we need to shut down the whole country? If you get symptoms, you stay at home. If you go to hospital and it's not an emergency, then you should be fined.

This is all one huge power grab. The new laws being written to account for this panic will have severe repercussions for our freedoms later down the road.


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The new laws being written to account for this panic will have severe repercussions for our freedoms later down the road.


On this we definitely agree!


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The healthcare system is already overwhelmed. They can only get so full and are at capacity already. They're turning people away and telling people to die at home.

The cost to the economy after this is going to be huge. Not just because we're going to have a deficit greater than any recession can surely cope with but because people will be out of work and businesses will have gone under.

As it stands, our roads are poorly maintained and services designed to help people in need have been drastically cut. Is this going to improve once we enter the next recession? I can't actually see the economy surviving this without making a lot of people suddenly below the poverty line.

if 80% of people are going to be fine then why do we need to shut down the whole country? If you get symptoms, you stay at home. If you go to hospital and it's not an emergency, then you should be fined.

This is all one huge power grab. The new laws being written to account for this panic will have severe repercussions for our freedoms later down the road.


Not any new laws per se in US - they are just invoking laws on the books re: emergency powers


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I skimmed the most recent comments, partially because my computer battery is on Get the F--k off the Internet, but  I'm really bored and it's either read this or go take a ****, but I can’t find any toilet paper.  

Sorry, I couldn't resist...just a little COVID-19 humor.  With peeps on here out of work, family concerns, and other issues out there this thread has took a depressing turn.

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… this thread has took a depressing turn.


Well then, here be something so darn depressing… it’s actually uplifting!



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I skimmed the most recent comments, partially because my computer battery is on Get the F--k off the Internet, but  I'm really bored and it's either read this or go take a ****, but I can’t find any toilet paper.  

Sorry, I couldn't resist...just a little COVID-19 humor.  With peeps on here out of work, family concerns, and other issues out there this thread has took a depressing turn.

But I digress... -A


Fuck depressing. Keep the comedy coming!


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I remember though, you mentioned you live in New York. You’ve probably heard of Montauk on Long Island? Lot’s of strange, covert, alien type shit went on there back in the day. Not only that, but I’ve read that its tentacles (experiments) had such a far reach into the populous of the entire surrounding areas (as in probably all of New York and its inhabitants) at the height of its covert operations, that everyone was affected in some shape or form. This includes somewhere like (literally millions) of people disappearing annually from the surrounding areas; some eventually found, some never. Anyway, yeah, it’s weird the things that come to the forefront of our minds - and topic of discussion - when the future looks bleak. But I think all of it’s for the better; we as humans can’t move forward with a new logic of thinking, or concept of reality, until this old tired one dies. And what a dance of death we’re all seeing.
Thanks for the feedback!


Dude, I'm from Long Island. I live upstate now, but only for the last couple years. I still consider Long Island my home and probably always will. I've been to Montauk several times -- driving through, visiting, fishing, etc. I'm well aware that some shit supposedly went on over there, but I couldn't tell you what. It's been a while since I've looked that stuff up, but I have. Refresh my memory if you have the time. You sound way into it so it seems you'd have a pretty cool take on it.

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Dude, I'm from Long Island. I live upstate now, but only for the last couple years. I still consider Long Island my home and probably always will. I've been to Montauk several times -- driving through, visiting, fishing, etc. I'm well aware that some shit supposedly went on over there, but I couldn't tell you what. It's been a while since I've looked that stuff up, but I have. Refresh my memory if you have the time. You sound way into it so it seems you'd have a pretty cool take on it.

Steve


Oh, shit… you’re actually from Long Island!? OK, yeah, you would probably/definitely know as much as me then. I’m not fully privy to the strange happenings that (may or may not) have taken place at Camp Hero. All good, I just mined the web (in the past) for ‘Montauk Project’, ‘Montauk Boys’ or, ‘Montauk Chair’, things like that. There’s even an idea floating around the web that Stranger Things on Netflix is based on the whole mystery surrounding the experiments that supposedly took place in the 70s early 80s up at the base.

Here’s a site that did a documentary on the whole thing. I’ve seen it and it’s kind of informative with a few people who remember what went on there…

http://www.mtkchronicles.com/

What I have done over the years is quite a bit of research on Monarch Programming (MK-Ultra) which seems to be the main experiment(s) that went on up there. A great site to get your bearings for that is Vigilant Citizen.

This link takes you right to the Monarch Programming section:

https://vigilantcitizen.com/hidden-knowledge/origins-and-techniques-of-monarch-mind-control/


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An Oxford University model reckons half the UK population already has it, and it's been around since at least mid Jan and that we're almost at the point of herd immunity already.

That would be good.

I had a shocking cold over the New Year, so it may be that all the worrying I've been doing for the last three months was all a waste of time.

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An Oxford University model reckons half the UK population already has it, and it's been around since at least mid Jan and that we're almost at the point of herd immunity already.

That would be good.

I had a shocking cold over the New Year, so it may be that all the worrying I've been doing for the lady three months was all a waste of time.


I'm not gonna lie, when I first read "model" I thought you meant the profession lol. I was thinking "Why is he trusting the word of a model, what would they know?"
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It wasn't very clear, to be fair. I could have phrased it a lot better.

It's a professional Epidemiologist.

Good news,if true, but we won't know unless there is mass antibody testing.
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Based on the evidence so far, the areas that have fared the best are those that implemented widespread testing quickly and isolated clusters of infected people. This all but eradicated it in those places.

Second in the list are those who didn't react fast enough and then implemented the lockdown approach to stop the emergency services from being overwhelmed with people dying in the streets.

I am not an expert in pandemics, so I am more than happy to take the experts at their word that this is the best option in these circumstances. It does amaze me that people with Google and their own gut instinct think they know the truth more than trained professionals with decades of experience.

Trump ignored calls to start widespread testing in January and is dead set against a prolonged lockdown. If he re-opens America, we will see if the US fares better than countries who have taken a different approach.


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Based on the evidence so far, the areas that have fared the best are those that implemented widespread testing quickly and isolated clusters of infected people. This all but eradicated it in those places.

Second in the list are those who didn't react fast enough and then implemented the lockdown approach to stop the emergency services from being overwhelmed with people dying in the streets.

I am not an expert in pandemics, so I am more than happy to take the experts at their word that this is the best option in these circumstances. It does amaze me that people with Google and their own gut instinct think they know the truth more than trained professionals with decades of experience.

Trump ignored calls to start widespread testing in January and is dead set against a prolonged lockdown. If he re-opens America, we will see if the US fares better than countries who have taken a different approach.


That’s why I got off FB. Partially the reason. Because I am done suffering stupid people. People who think they know best, people who spread misinformation, my stupid cousin who walks her dog and can’t figure out why fathers are out front of their houses playing with their kids and, of course, the dreaded...Conspiracy Theorists — the people who think they are super woke, where everything is a government conspiracy. Everything.

I’m slowly inching my way back, though, albeit very slowly. Upstate NY where I am we are fairly far removed from NYC, but we have many cases in our county and nearby Albany county.  

I’ve job interviews lined up and even though my kids are going crazy it’s still a pleasure to be with them and away from the madness.


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Based on the evidence so far, the areas that have fared the best are those that implemented widespread testing quickly and isolated clusters of infected people. This all but eradicated it in those places.


All-but eradicated in what places? Based on what evidence? Where are you getting your information from if not Google?


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Second in the list are those who didn't react fast enough and then implemented the lockdown approach to stop the emergency services from being overwhelmed with people dying in the streets.


You need to explain this a bit better because you're not making much sense.


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I am not an expert in pandemics, so I am more than happy to take the experts at their word that this is the best option in these circumstances. It does amaze me that people with Google and their own gut instinct think they know the truth more than trained professionals with decades of experience.


Which experts? using Google opens one up to various opinions from various experts. that you choose to believe what one expert tells you without looking for a second opinion makes you, quite simply, uninformed.


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Trump ignored calls to start widespread testing in January and is dead set against a prolonged lockdown. If he re-opens America, we will see if the US fares better than countries who have taken a different approach.


Our government also ignored widespread calls for testing in January. What does that have to do with anything? I am also against a prolonged or any type of lockdown and so are most working people in this country. It may be fine for you, maybe you can survive for a few months, blasting through your savings, but others are in not such a good position and are going to struggle. Some will lose their homes and entire livelihoods are going to go down. But that's OK, at least we get to prolong the life of people who are going to die anyway.

It's a fact of life that people die. being all namby-pamby about it is only going to make it bad for everybody. All this crying and whining... it has to stop. It only makes death more likely. Why fuck up ordinary people's lives to delay the inevitable?

It's quite simple. For the sake of humanity... for the sake of society... if we get sick, if we get this virus, we stay the fuck at home... if we're going to die... if it's our time to go... then so be it. Que Sera Sera!


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That’s why I got off FB. Partially the reason. Because I am done suffering stupid people. People who think they know best, people who spread misinformation, my stupid cousin who walks her dog and can’t figure out why fathers are out front of their houses playing with their kids and, of course, the dreaded...Conspiracy Theorists — the people who think they are super woke, where everything is a government conspiracy. Everything.


I must be crazy bored cause I can’t stop posting, but… yeah. The issue with those who are suddenly ‘woke’ is a classical concept of sensory overload. This happened to me about 2010 when all the pieces fell into place… I almost lost my mind, and my marriage, cause my wife was ready to kill me just to shut me up.

Unfortunately, to this day, I still get caught up in all the disinformation and find it my civil duty to quickly regurgitate things I hear, only realizing later that there’s no basis whatsoever except hearsay from the masses, so I covertly try to retract (delete) with hope and prayer nobody read it… an occupational hazard of me being a jarhead. I thank the good lord every day that I never jumped on the FB, Twitter feed bandwagon, cause being OCD I would be on there all the live long day spreading the dis-ease of untruth… I just know it.

This is nothing new we’re seeing, though. I worked at a health care facility as Infrastructure Support Tech (PCs, peripherals), and one (phone) call I would always receive went something like this: “Oh shit! Rick… how do I quickly retract or callback an email I just sent out, help me pleaaase!” and I’m talking doctors and shit. Emotions are running high everywhere right now, and stress, anxiety, depression; everyone is having sensory overload and it is a literal nightmare trying to determine at any moment in time just what is and what isn’t fact or fiction. Maybe when the dust settles, we’ll have a better idea of what had transpired, only time will tell. Just my 2 cents worth, of course.


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You get such mixed messages from the official experts, it's hard to have a clue what's going on.

One of the guys on the UK Covid team whose recovering from it himself says between half and two thirds of those that have died from it would have died anyway of other things.

Another expert reckons it can't be that infectious as on the cruise ship where conditions are ideal for spreading only 20% were actually infected. A lot of the people on cruises are elderly.. Did it suggest also that the normal flu vaccine helps?

Another NHS guy says the ICUs are no more full than any normal winter.

Then you look at the deaths in Spain and you think the opposite.

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An interesting video.

Daily death rates have more than doubled since 3-18. The overall number pales in comparison to other causes of death - but I do think we need to flatten the curve to avoid the over-run.



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Not sure if already posted, but Jackson Browne and Prince Charles now have it. Also, Jackson just dropped a new song shortly after the diagnosis.


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I'm an "essential worker" and I still have to go to the office every day...I mean, it's good I still have a job but I'm sure I'm going to get it.


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I'm an "essential worker" and I still have to go to the office every day...I mean, it's good I still have a job but I'm sure I'm going to get it.


Everyone is going to get it. It's just a matter of when. You're probably carrying it right now.

I believe the Oxford model. It's what makes the most sense to me. We really have no choice anyway. Things like this are seasonal. At some point, you're going to get it.

Being fearful is not the way to handle this, not as an individual or as a society.


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So, how's everyone spending their days? I've been spending time cleaning up outside after winter. Planting plants, cleaning up outdoor furniture. I have the news on constantly. Not sure if that's good or not. I read a lot, try to write a bit and then I watch a little bit of entertainment. Tried the Tiger King that everyone is talking about, but couldn't make it past twenty minutes. Then I cook and eat. Then I eat some more and then some mo... I haven't stepped on the scale in a week!


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All-but eradicated in what places? Based on what evidence? Where are you getting your information from if not Google?


It was a report on either BBC or Sky news which had an infections expert at Imperial College London which said this and he stated a few examples, including a town in Venice which completely eradicated the virus using this method and he urged countries to ramp up the number of people being screened. I then checked and the same information was reported in the Guardian and the Financial Times which mentioned this approach has helped in South Korea.


The official WHO advice is also widespread testing and social distancing. I never just take one source for any advice and try to follow John Doe’s approach from Seven and get around five different opinions to ponder first.


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You need to explain this a bit better because you're not making much sense.


Again, if you watch the news you will see reports from several sources showing corridors in hospitals in places like Italy with people sick and dying in corridors as there is not enough room to cope. There was the hospital in China built in ten days and the London Excel arena is being converted to an emergency hospital in London to house 4,000 people. You don’t have to be a pandemic expert to figure out from this that a lot of people are going to get sick enough to warrant hospitalisation. The more you can slow that down, the less chance of these services being overwhelmed. If you just allow everyone to infect everyone quickly, it’s going to get messy.


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Our government also ignored widespread calls for testing in January. What does that have to do with anything? I am also against a prolonged or any type of lockdown and so are most working people in this country. It may be fine for you, maybe you can survive for a few months, blasting through your savings, but others are in not such a good position and are going to struggle. Some will lose their homes and entire livelihoods are going to go down. But that's OK, at least we get to prolong the life of people who are going to die anyway.


See above regarding what it has to do with anything and how do you know what most people in the country are for or against? And how do you know all these people will die anyway no matter what we do? Which sources are you basing this one and what areas have followed this with good results?

I do not claim to know what millions think, nor can I foresee the future.  I am not okay with blasting through my retirement savings and I’ve lost my job. I’m self-employed so at the moment unless the government step in, I am entitled to £94 a week to live on and that’s it. I have a wife and two kids and I’m the only earner in my household. However, I don’t want to risk them or through my own selfishness, potentially end the life of anyone else prematurely with needless suffering where, in all likelihood, they will die in a terrible fashion, alone and afraid due to being quarantined. So, I’m going to follow the guidelines, stay at home. continue to seek information from several resources that seem legitimate and just try my best to keep my side of the street clean, one day at a time. That’s all anyone can do. Best of luck to you and everyone else, we are all just making do as we go along.





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So, how's everyone spending their days? I've been spending time cleaning up outside after winter. Planting plants, cleaning up outdoor furniture. I have the news on constantly. Not sure if that's good or not. I read a lot, try to write a bit and then I watch a little bit of entertainment. Tried the Tiger King that everyone is talking about, but couldn't make it past twenty minutes. Then I cook and eat. Then I eat some more and then some mo... I haven't stepped on the scale in a week!


Here is a post I put on Facebook, if it helps anyone.

Most people spend most days wishing they could:

Spend more time at home, more time with family, more time with a partner or on your own in the garden time.

Read more books, listen to more music, learn a new language, write that story/song/poem or draw that picture you’ve always imagined.

Learn a new skill, re-learn something you've not had the chance to keep up with for years or pass on some of your knowledge to others.

Catch up with relatives/friends you’ve lost contact with through distance or change of circumstances.

Watch more movies, a myriad of different TV programs and play more games.

Do more exercise, try out yoga, meditation, explore different philosophical, spiritual and religious views.

Catch up with technology, learn a bit more about history or take up a bit of amateur astrology.

Have a go at doing the tango, try out some street dances or show the kids how mum used to body pop back in the day.

If only we had the time, we say to ourselves about the above and a thousand things more. Well now you have the time, and the technology is available to make most things possible. Use it well. Don't just eat wotsits while fiddling with your wotsits. You may not get another chance like this.

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I must be crazy bored cause I can’t stop posting, but… yeah. The issue with those who are suddenly ‘woke’ is a classical concept of sensory overload. This happened to me about 2010 when all the pieces fell into place… I almost lost my mind, and my marriage, cause my wife was ready to kill me just to shut me up.

Unfortunately, to this day, I still get caught up in all the disinformation and find it my civil duty to quickly regurgitate things I hear, only realizing later that there’s no basis whatsoever except hearsay from the masses, so I covertly try to retract (delete) with hope and prayer nobody read it… an occupational hazard of me being a jarhead. I thank the good lord every day that I never jumped on the FB, Twitter feed bandwagon, cause being OCD I would be on there all the live long day spreading the dis-ease of untruth… I just know it.

This is nothing new we’re seeing, though. I worked at a health care facility as Infrastructure Support Tech (PCs, peripherals), and one (phone) call I would always receive went something like this: “Oh shit! Rick… how do I quickly retract or callback an email I just sent out, help me pleaaase!” and I’m talking doctors and shit. Emotions are running high everywhere right now, and stress, anxiety, depression; everyone is having sensory overload and it is a literal nightmare trying to determine at any moment in time just what is and what isn’t fact or fiction. Maybe when the dust settles, we’ll have a better idea of what had transpired, only time will tell. Just my 2 cents worth, of course.


Yeah, sensory overload is a good explanation. A ton of shit going on, watching all the craziness unfold, and having to watch idiots blow shit up, watching this get politicized, watching our Commander In Chief politicizing it as well. It's all just too much. Too much.


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So, how's everyone spending their days? ... Then I cook and eat. Then I eat some more and then some mo...


Yep, this has been my approach too. I live in a house with four others and we're all just cooking and baking and baking and cooking and eating.

We've taken in a dog, a little Jack Russell, from a roommate's sister, who is a nurse and is working sixteen hour days, every day. A welcome addition to the household.

The whole house has been self-isolating since a roommate returned from a work trip in the U.S. Not a big change anyway. Two roommates are in school and are now in online-only classes; one roommate is off for a month (film equipment rentals -- shut down with the rest of the industry); my girlfriend and I are working remotely. We have a big house, a big yard, and some nearby walking paths...feeling very lucky. We haven't left for anything other than groceries and dog-walking in a couple weeks.

Life looks different -- people are working out in the alleys behind their houses, the normally-busy streets are pretty empty, the usually-packed public transit is mostly empty despite being free. Lots of people with masks on, some that look effective, some not.

In the evenings we watch movies, read, work out, smoke weed. Lots of four, six, ten person video chats with friends in other provinces and countries -- we have a large tight-knit group of twenty or so friends that gets together at least yearly. Trying to make sure we know what's going on with everyone in our social group and whether anyone needs support as times get tough.

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The London Imperial College model is wrong, according to the guy who wrote it, he's revised it and it's more like the Oxford University model... Huge numbers of people already have it and the death toll will be minimal.

https://www.dailywire.com/news....._campaign=benshapiro

The lock down is a waste of time.

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The London Economic model is wrong, according to the guy who wrote it, he's revised it and it's more like the Oxford University model... Huge numbers of people already have it and the death toll will be minimal.

https://www.dailywire.com/news....._campaign=benshapiro

The lock down is a waste of time.

What a mess.


A conundrum.

His first assessment was way off.

Then why should we believe his second assessment??

Who knows really. What I do know is that hospitals in the US and in many places are over-run regardless.  Regardless of the infection rate or the severity of the infection, the system isn't handling it.

I would think it would be beneficial for each country to start random sample testing of populations to determine what percent of people have the virus antibodies in their blood already, whether or not they had to go for treatment, etc. It wouldn't seem to be rocket science to me to develop some rational estimate of what the actual infection rate is.  




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A conundrum.

His first assessment was way off.

Then why should we believe his second assessment??

Who knows really. What I do know is that hospitals in the US and in many places are over-run regardless.  Regardless of the infection rate or the severity of the infection, the system isn't handling it.

I would think it would be beneficial for each country to start random sample testing of populations to determine what percent of people have the virus antibodies in their blood already, whether or not they had to go for treatment, etc. It wouldn't seem to be rocket science to me to develop some rational estimate of what the actual infection rate is.  

He still believes lock downs are needed.


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He said that expected increases in National Health Service capacity and ongoing restrictions to people’s movements make him “reasonably confident” the health service can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in two or three weeks. UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower.

The need for intensive care beds will get very close to capacity in some areas, but won’t be breached at a national level, said Ferguson. The projections are based on computer simulations of the virus spreading, which take into account the properties of the virus, the reduced transmission between people asked to stay at home and the capacity of hospitals, particularly intensive care units



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I think you can believe it because it's verified by the Oxford University model which is what caused him to realise the magnitude of mistake in the first place.

Between half and two thirds of people dying from Coronavirus would have died of some other underlying condition anyway, according to a guy on the Covid Taskforce in the UK...which means on current evidence we've shut down the world's economy for almost nothing.



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I think you can believe it because it's verified by the Oxford University model which is what caused him to realise the magnitude of mistake in the first place.

Between half and two thirds of people dying from Coronavirus would have died of some other underlying condition anyway, according to a guy on the Covid Taskforce in the UK...which means on current evidence we've shut down the world's economy for almost nothing.



But that model is peppered with it's own assumptions. i.e., is says A will happen if we assume that B is true, without any knowledge of knowing if B is true.

Interesting article here.

https://www.livescience.com/half-the-uk-infected-coronavirus-covid19.html

I have no idea what assumptions were used for reaching this conclusion: