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I'm watching this movie as soon as it hits VOD on the 23rd.
Yay! It is a slow burn, hopefully you have the patience. Overall, the reviews have been great! Except for one review from critic Roger Moore, who called the movie boring. Fuck that guy lol.
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I am genuinely excited to see this movie, thanks for sharing the interview.
"tremendously talented writer" - There's a boost to the old ego lol
Yeah, me and the director, Johnny, continue to work pretty close together, including our next film, "Dancer", an action thriller we're aiming to shoot at the end of the year. He's a good dude, always keeps me informed, keeps in constant contact and always gives me more credit than I deserve.
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Not to sound too corny or too much like a suck-up but seeing things like this and the success you are having is really inspirational for someone in my position still waiting to make the next step. SO thanks for sharing.
Aw, shucks, thanks man, you're too kind. Not really trying to be inspirational, kinda just shamelessly plugging away, but it's always nice to get support from my peers, especially peers of your writing caliber. Always good to hear about a hardworking, talented writer keeping at it. One of the best qualities a writer can have is perseverance.
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That was very interesting. Loved the speed at which they got this from conception to film. Congrats again.
Yeah, tell me about. Especially when one of their investors pulled out, amazed that they were able to find another investor so quickly as to not interrupt the shooting schedule too much.
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Pease post one more time on the date when the VOD is available as a reminder to us all.
February 23rd. Will be available on most cable outlets to rent as well as Itunes, Apple TV and other outlets and streaming platforms. In Australia specifically, it will available for a limited time on Vimeo On Demand (also the 23rd).
I know it's only 2 reviews so far... but technically, "Rage" is still 100% on Rotten Tomatoes
There are actually 7 more reviews that weren't Rotten Tomatoes verified critics or just didn't post yet. Five of the reviews are good while one was a C+ (though they did go on to insult the movie a lot and said my dialogue was clunky -- which I disagree with, except for some of the dialogue they changed on set, which isn't much). And then there was one that just eviscerated the film by critic Roger Moore. But fuck that guy lol. He should change his name.
If you're in Australia, it's officially February 23rd! Which means, for a limited time, you can rent "Rage" on Vimeo On Demand -- https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ragemovie
For those in North American, the 23rd is tomorrow and you can catch "Rage" on Itunes or Apple TV here -- https://apple.co/3ogC2jd
It will also be able to rent on VOD via your cable provider, Amazon Prime and other VOD platforms.
I know it wasn't a script I had posted on here, but if it weren't for other scripts I've posted on here (specifically The Suicide Theory), I wouldn't have gotten the writing gig.
It's a long movie and a slow burner (probably closer to a drama than a thriller) at 2 hours 23 minutes long. Now, the script WAS probably the longest script I've ever written at 127 pages... which, if 1 page = 1 minute, would be closer to 2 hours and 10 minutes. But they cut out my final scene and three other scenes, so with those scenes cut out, they used about 116 of the pages I wrote -- so there's some long shots here and there -- I take pride in my ability to truly make 1 page = 1 minutes. But I personally had no issues with the longer shots/prolonged scenes. There's one scene of dialogue at the end that I didn't write that they really wanted to force in there but I didn't think it worked, so they ended up putting in there themselves. And I think I was right, but it's not TOO noticeable -- I probably notice it more than the casual viewer.
Anyway, if you do check it out, would love to hear your thoughts, good or bad. Thanks!
If you're in Australia, it's officially February 23rd! Which means, for a limited time, you can rent "Rage" on Vimeo On Demand -- https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ragemovie
For those in North American, the 23rd is tomorrow and you can catch "Rage" on Itunes or Apple TV here -- https://apple.co/3ogC2jd
It will also be able to rent on VOD via your cable provider, Amazon Prime and other VOD platforms.
I know it wasn't a script I had posted on here, but if it weren't for other scripts I've posted on here (specifically The Suicide Theory), I wouldn't have gotten the writing gig.
It's a long movie and a slow burner (probably closer to a drama than a thriller) at 2 hours 23 minutes long. Now, the script WAS probably the longest script I've ever written at 127 pages... which, if 1 page = 1 minute, would be closer to 2 hours and 10 minutes. But they cut out my final scene and three other scenes, so with those scenes cut out, they used about 116 of the pages I wrote -- so there's some long shots here and there -- I take pride in my ability to truly make 1 page = 1 minutes. But I personally had no issues with the longer shots/prolonged scenes. There's one scene of dialogue at the end that I didn't write that they really wanted to force in there but I didn't think it worked, so they ended up putting in there themselves. And I think I was right, but it's not TOO noticeable -- I probably notice it more than the casual viewer.
Anyway, if you do check it out, would love to hear your thoughts, good or bad. Thanks!
-- Michael
Already got it in the calendar for today. Watching tonight when I get home.
Anyway, if you do check it out, would love to hear your thoughts, good or bad. Thanks!
-- Michael
With this statement in mind I give you my honest thoughts...
SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS -If you plan to watch the movie just don't read this at all!!!
I took some quick notes on my phone before bed and forgot to save them So I will hopefully not leave anything out.
Straight off the bat, this is a professional production. It both looks and sounds like it was made by a team of people who knew what they were doing. There were a couple of shots where it got a bit derailed (The sister getting shot in the head for example) but the vast majority of this looks and feels like a pro film. Another scene that threw me early on was the rape scene. I wasn't sure if he was raping her or simply trying to detain her for some reason. I can't remember seeing the perp unbuckle his belt or slide his pants down or slide a zipper, there are also no visible thrusts, that all might seem obvious I suppose but to me it just looked like he was pinning her down. It was a while into the attack before I realized it was a rape.
The opening is intense, super intense and really has you wanting to know where it's going but for me personally the next two thirds of the film are very slow and unnecessarily long. I know you've called this a slow burn a few times and I kinda disagree. With a slow burn you are still moving towards something, there were many times where scenes felt unnecessarily long or just completely unnecessary at all.
Some examples: seeing Noah propose and watching him watch the home video, basically everything that happens during that song is not needed and, in my opinion, adds nothing to the story.
Regarding the detective's interactions with his own wife. The first one is basically an exposition dump of information we already know. I also feel the wife could be completely written out without affecting the film. It's like she is there just to take the phone call in the middle of the night then make a massive breath of confidentially to tell her husband what Maddy said which ultimately leads nowhere.
I guess what I'm saying is that a lot of this film should have been left on the cutting room floor and I believe it would only have made it stronger.
There are also quite a few shots that just go on for way too long, I almost had the sense that the editor just loved all the shots and couldn't convince himself to let them go.
There are more than a few times where we have big exposition dumps with information we already know which also all could have been cut. As discussed, the detective and his wife's interactions, Noah talking to the 'perp' in the basement about what he did, sure it's not him, but Noah doesn't know that. Quiet a few of the discussions between the cops were pretty big data dumps as well.
I struggled to really understand where Noah and Madeline's complete distrust of the system and police came from that they felt it necessary to personally apprehend and murder the 'perp', sure I get that Maddy thinks he was the killer but that's an outlier, it felt completely out of place for them not to just go to the detective with the information.
I'm also not sure how much real value the PI added to the story.
For the most part the performances where pretty good, but some were very wooden, for example, the mistress, Maddy's parents, the male nurse/doctor and the detective on occasion. At points it moved away from watching people act to watching people trying to act if that makes sense.
Speaking of the male nurse, that also felt very unnatural, you have a guy who's just woken up from a 39 day coma but the nurse, or maybe it was a doctor, either way, all that information he dumps on Noah straight after he wakes up felt out of place and quite unnecessary as well. If the resulting issues of a bullet to the brain played some part in the story going forward, then maybe, but none of them do.
Regarding that bullet to the brain, when we last see Noah before the coma he is quite out of it with the killer pointing a weapon dead center at his head. this feels like a fatal shot. We do see the scar on the side of Noah's face but I couldn't find a decent explanation for that. I don't believe Noah was in a state to quickly move his head out of the way and I cant believe the killer missed from inches away, so what it leaves you with are questions you shouldn't need to ask. It also messes with the believeability of the situation. I thought maybe Maddy may have struck the killer as he took the shot and that's why the shot missed, but that clearly isn't the case.
One thing that really threw me, maybe I missed something, but it seemed to me they had the real attacker on DNA evidence but they let him walk because of a lineup where both witnesses are heavily traumatized. I didn't get this at all.
The final scene where Noah and Maddy are talking outside the station could have been plucked straight out of an Australian soap called Neighbors (not sure if you're familiar with it), it really felt unnatural.
I think I would have enjoyed this more if it was 30 to 45 minutes shorter. The middle part of the film is very slow.
I can't say I loved it, which I know isn't what you want to hear, I wouldn't want to hear it either, sorry Because of the long run time and the very slow middle it's also not a film I could revisit. I don't have an issue with long movies, I'm actually someone who loves long movies, they just need to ensure that they constantly have my attention.
Again, the overall production value is stellar, if this was mine I'd be incredibly proud regardless of what anyone else thought.
I'm very interested to see what others think, hopefully the issues raised are mine alone, and who am I anyway
I very much enjoyed the BTS stuff, great to see how passionate everyone is about the project.
Don't mind the one star rating some guy left -- they left the review a month ago before it was even possible to see the movie.
Wonder why someone would leave a bad review for a film they haven�t seen or even been released... maybe they have a personal grudge against the filmmakers. Anyway...
Is it coming to Amazon in UK? Had a look and can�t see it yet
With this statement in mind I give you my honest thoughts...
SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS -If you plan to watch the movie just don't read this at all!!!
I took some quick notes on my phone before bed and forgot to save them So I will hopefully not leave anything out.
Straight off the bat, this is a professional production. It both looks and sounds like it was made by a team of people who knew what they were doing. There were a couple of shots where it got a bit derailed (The sister getting shot in the head for example) but the vast majority of this looks and feels like a pro film. Another scene that threw me early on was the rape scene. I wasn't sure if he was raping her or simply trying to detain her for some reason. I can't remember seeing the perp unbuckle his belt or slide his pants down or slide a zipper, there are also no visible thrusts, that all might seem obvious I suppose but to me it just looked like he was pinning her down. It was a while into the attack before I realized it was a rape.
The opening is intense, super intense and really has you wanting to know where it's going but for me personally the next two thirds of the film are very slow and unnecessarily long. I know you've called this a slow burn a few times and I kinda disagree. With a slow burn you are still moving towards something, there were many times where scenes felt unnecessarily long or just completely unnecessary at all.
Some examples: seeing Noah propose and watching him watch the home video, basically everything that happens during that song is not needed and, in my opinion, adds nothing to the story.
Regarding the detective's interactions with his own wife. The first one is basically an exposition dump of information we already know. I also feel the wife could be completely written out without affecting the film. It's like she is there just to take the phone call in the middle of the night then make a massive breath of confidentially to tell her husband what Maddy said which ultimately leads nowhere.
I guess what I'm saying is that a lot of this film should have been left on the cutting room floor and I believe it would only have made it stronger.
There are also quite a few shots that just go on for way too long, I almost had the sense that the editor just loved all the shots and couldn't convince himself to let them go.
There are more than a few times where we have big exposition dumps with information we already know which also all could have been cut. As discussed, the detective and his wife's interactions, Noah talking to the 'perp' in the basement about what he did, sure it's not him, but Noah doesn't know that. Quiet a few of the discussions between the cops were pretty big data dumps as well.
I struggled to really understand where Noah and Madeline's complete distrust of the system and police came from that they felt it necessary to personally apprehend and murder the 'perp', sure I get that Maddy thinks he was the killer but that's an outlier, it felt completely out of place for them not to just go to the detective with the information.
I'm also not sure how much real value the PI added to the story.
For the most part the performances where pretty good, but some were very wooden, for example, the mistress, Maddy's parents, the male nurse/doctor and the detective on occasion. At points it moved away from watching people act to watching people trying to act if that makes sense.
Speaking of the male nurse, that also felt very unnatural, you have a guy who's just woken up from a 39 day coma but the nurse, or maybe it was a doctor, either way, all that information he dumps on Noah straight after he wakes up felt out of place and quite unnecessary as well. If the resulting issues of a bullet to the brain played some part in the story going forward, then maybe, but none of them do.
Regarding that bullet to the brain, when we last see Noah before the coma he is quite out of it with the killer pointing a weapon dead center at his head. this feels like a fatal shot. We do see the scar on the side of Noah's face but I couldn't find a decent explanation for that. I don't believe Noah was in a state to quickly move his head out of the way and I cant believe the killer missed from inches away, so what it leaves you with are questions you shouldn't need to ask. It also messes with the believeability of the situation. I thought maybe Maddy may have struck the killer as he took the shot and that's why the shot missed, but that clearly isn't the case.
One thing that really threw me, maybe I missed something, but it seemed to me they had the real attacker on DNA evidence but they let him walk because of a lineup where both witnesses are heavily traumatized. I didn't get this at all.
The final scene where Noah and Maddy are talking outside the station could have been plucked straight out of an Australian soap called Neighbors (not sure if you're familiar with it), it really felt unnatural.
I think I would have enjoyed this more if it was 30 to 45 minutes shorter. The middle part of the film is very slow.
I can't say I loved it, which I know isn't what you want to hear, I wouldn't want to hear it either, sorry Because of the long run time and the very slow middle it's also not a film I could revisit. I don't have an issue with long movies, I'm actually someone who loves long movies, they just need to ensure that they constantly have my attention.
Again, the overall production value is stellar, if this was mine I'd be incredibly proud regardless of what anyone else thought.
I'm very interested to see what others think, hopefully the issues raised are mine alone, and who am I anyway
Thanks for watching, Warren!
Yeah, the issues you bring up have been brought up by critics -- the reviews are mixed (50% on Rotten Tomatoes, 5.1 rating on IMDB so far). I really think the director had certain bits of dialogue in mind before I even wrote it -- I tried pushing back as hard as I could on the wishy-washy monologues but the director insisted on it. I didn't want to spoon-feed the themes to the audience, but after speaking to the director today, he did say he was afraid that things would go over people's heads, to which I warned him during the scripting process that audiences are smarter than that. And he really insisted on really hammering home the backstories in order to make the characters three-dimensional -- I didn't really think it was necessary for the detective to have a wife and all that stuff. You don't really need every character in the film to have a massive backstory.
As for the long scenes -- again, the script was 127 pages and they cut out my ending and other scenes, using 115 of my pages. So I can't imagine how long it would've been if they kept my scenes in -- a lot of long takes, repeated information, etc. They ended up using my 2nd to last scene as the ending, which I kinda disagreed with but not too much -- it is more provocative than my ending, I guess, though mine had more of a satisfying conclusion (more on that in a bit). What I DID disagree with in that last scene is that they completely threw my dialogue out, which was way more subtle, and went full-on explaining their feelings -- there was a bit of dialogue the director wrote before I even started writing that he wanted forced in at the end of the story -- I pushed against it because it was unnatural and was forcing the theme to the audience. And it was just bad dialogue. But, me and the director are doing a fast-paced action thriller, which he's more experienced with as a filmmaker and he's trusting me with the dialogue and the way information is conveyed this time.
Some of the realistic stuff -- in the original script, the recovery time from a gunshot in the head was longer. There were montages of rehab, etc. Kinda glad that got cut from the script. But he did seem on the up and up pretty quickly after a gunshot to the head. Again, the director already had an image of what he wanted the character to look like in the film and he didn't want any facial damage -- in the script, I had him shot in the jaw (similar to Russell Crowe's character in LA Confidential). Now, he'd still suffered a severe concussion, but I had the bullet bouncing off another bone in his jaw and exiting. There's was still a long recovery time from the wound. But the director didn't want the actor's face deformed.
RE: The male nurse -- I always thought that if a patient is conscious or waking up from consciousness, it was mandatory to provide them with information. Especially when he's screaming questions about his wife, wondering what happened.
As for the DNA evidence -- DNA often isn't enough to convict somebody or exonerate somebody. But, in the original script, the guy doesn't walk immediately after the police line-up. Maddy ends up walking out of the lineup. Then we see Maddy and Noah in an Uber. She decides to get out of the car after Noah keeps bugging her -- in the original script, she still isn't sure if the guy in the lineup was the real man or not. It's Noah who's certain that it was the man by recognizing his voice and those eyes. But, again, they changed that part and made her just flat out say that it was the guy.
The scene after that takes place days after with the detective being informed that his suspect was released on bail.
Then, the after that, we go to the sleazy private eye in his office -- he gets a call from Madeline who's asking for information on the man from the lineup. And then, the final scene, which I really loved, was that same man stalking another girl in his car -- there's a car behind him. He looks in his rearview and we see Noah and Maddy following him on their car.
THE END
I was watching with my Dad and I told him there's no way there letting the guy go right after a police lineup. Another thing I disagreed with was the use of silencers for their guns during the home invasion -- felt too professional. But they were so concerned about the gun shots being heard by neighbors, which I felt would've been more believable than using silencers to muffle the shots.
So, yeah, my main issue was the wishy-washy parts. I didn't entirely mind some of the longer shots -- I was actually entertained by the movie, overall. Of course, I wrote it, but I know what I like and what I don't. I'm the type that'll binge 4-5 episodes of a slow burn crime series on Netflix, and that's kind of what the pacing was in this movie, which some liked, some did while even some of the positive reviews liked it DESPITE the longer, slower takes and some of the lengthy, melodramatic dialogue.
All that being said -- and me and the director have been chatting all week about it -- I'm very proud of the movie, picking up some awards, getting worldwide distribution and, despite the mixed reviews, there are more positive reviews than negative from the critics overall. But, yeah, me and the director have a very violent, fast-paced action thriller that XYZ Films is waiting on -- it's based on the short action film he directed a few years back that XYZ liked and this is going to be the feature length version -- his bread and butter is violent action movies w/ hand-to-hand combat and great choreography, so we're going back to his element. And, especially with the critics echoing a lot of my concerns during scripting, he'll be trusting me more with delivering the theme subtly and handling the dialogue the way I like to handle it.
I knew, based on the length and based on the premise that it wouldn't do as well as The Suicide Theory, which is darker but has a more hooky premise -- and is 45 minutes short lol.
But it's still a complex plot that I'm proud to have worked on and put together. I can now cross "police procedural" off my "to-do" list. I have a found-footage horror feature that goes into production early this summer, so crossing that one off. Then another more fast-paced feature thriller in pre-production (locations locked, still casting) scheduled to shoot in January 2022 in Mexico and then, the action thriller with a considerably bigger budget HOPEFULLY at the end of this year -- even if XYZ isn't on board, we do have other investors interested based on the quality of "Rage". I do consider "Rage" an achievement of mine and the crew ($170k budget), but it's also a stepping stone towards bigger films in the very near future.
Thanks again for taking out the time -- and I know it took a chunk out of your day lol -- to watch the movie and then comment on it, really appreciate it, Warren!
Wonder why someone would leave a bad review for a film they haven�t seen or even been released... maybe they have a personal grudge against the filmmakers. Anyway...
Is it coming to Amazon in UK? Had a look and can�t see it yet
It's a bot I think, that account comments the same exact thing for a bunch of movies, most of which haven't even been released yet, like he did w/ "Rage".
Yeah, the issues you bring up have been brought up by critics -- the reviews are mixed (50% on Rotten Tomatoes, 5.1 rating on IMDB so far). I really think the director had certain bits of dialogue in mind before I even wrote it -- I tried pushing back as hard as I could on the wishy-washy monologues but the director insisted on it. I didn't want to spoon-feed the themes to the audience, but after speaking to the director today, he did say he was afraid that things would go over people's heads, to which I warned him during the scripting process that audiences are smarter than that. And he really insisted on really hammering home the backstories in order to make the characters three-dimensional -- I didn't really think it was necessary for the detective to have a wife and all that stuff. You don't really need every character in the film to have a massive backstory.
Yes, that's something I didn't mention, some of Noah's monologues could definitely be cut. You make some very good points, it's a shame he didn't listen to you more.
As for the long scenes -- again, the script was 127 pages and they cut out my ending and other scenes, using 115 of my pages. So I can't imagine how long it would've been if they kept my scenes in -- a lot of long takes, repeated information, etc. They ended up using my 2nd to last scene as the ending, which I kinda disagreed with but not too much -- it is more provocative than my ending, I guess, though mine had more of a satisfying conclusion (more on that in a bit). What I DID disagree with in that last scene is that they completely threw my dialogue out, which was way more subtle, and went full-on explaining their feelings -- there was a bit of dialogue the director wrote before I even started writing that he wanted forced in at the end of the story -- I pushed against it because it was unnatural and was forcing the theme to the audience. And it was just bad dialogue. But, me and the director are doing a fast-paced action thriller, which he's more experienced with as a filmmaker and he's trusting me with the dialogue and the way information is conveyed this time.
Again, I feel he should have listened to you a bit more. I know that's not really how it works, but still.
Some of the realistic stuff -- in the original script, the recovery time from a gunshot in the head was longer. There were montages of rehab, etc. Kinda glad that got cut from the script. But he did seem on the up and up pretty quickly after a gunshot to the head. Again, the director already had an image of what he wanted the character to look like in the film and he didn't want any facial damage -- in the script, I had him shot in the jaw (similar to Russell Crowe's character in LA Confidential). Now, he'd still suffered a severe concussion, but I had the bullet bouncing off another bone in his jaw and exiting. There's was still a long recovery time from the wound. But the director didn't want the actor's face deformed.
A jaw shot would have made a lot more sense, but I understand the reasons not to do that.
RE: The male nurse -- I always thought that if a patient is conscious or waking up from consciousness, it was mandatory to provide them with information. Especially when he's screaming questions about his wife, wondering what happened.
I'm no expert here, but thought that because of the level of distress he was in the information was really more for us than him.
As for the DNA evidence -- DNA often isn't enough to convict somebody or exonerate somebody. But, in the original script, the guy doesn't walk immediately after the police line-up. Maddy ends up walking out of the lineup. Then we see Maddy and Noah in an Uber. She decides to get out of the car after Noah keeps bugging her -- in the original script, she still isn't sure if the guy in the lineup was the real man or not. It's Noah who's certain that it was the man by recognizing his voice and those eyes. But, again, they changed that part and made her just flat out say that it was the guy.
The scene after that takes place days after with the detective being informed that his suspect was released on bail.
Then, the after that, we go to the sleazy private eye in his office -- he gets a call from Madeline who's asking for information on the man from the lineup. And then, the final scene, which I really loved, was that same man stalking another girl in his car -- there's a car behind him. He looks in his rearview and we see Noah and Maddy following him on their car.
I was watching with my Dad and I told him there's no way there letting the guy go right after a police lineup. Another thing I disagreed with was the use of silencers for their guns during the home invasion -- felt too professional. But they were so concerned about the gun shots being heard by neighbors, which I felt would've been more believable than using silencers to muffle the shots.
Another thing I forgot to mention, I didn't like the silencers either. I also didn't understand how Noah could fire an unsilenced weapon in their home and there be no repercussions.
All that being said -- and me and the director have been chatting all week about it -- I'm very proud of the movie, picking up some awards, getting worldwide distribution and, despite the mixed reviews, there are more positive reviews than negative from the critics overall. But, yeah, me and the director have a very violent, fast-paced action thriller that XYZ Films is waiting on -- it's based on the short action film he directed a few years back that XYZ liked and this is going to be the feature length version -- his bread and butter is violent action movies w/ hand-to-hand combat and great choreography, so we're going back to his element. And, especially with the critics echoing a lot of my concerns during scripting, he'll be trusting me more with delivering the theme subtly and handling the dialogue the way I like to handle it.
There is a lot to be proud of. Looking forward to whatever else you guys put out in the future.
But it's still a complex plot that I'm proud to have worked on and put together. I can now cross "police procedural" off my "to-do" list. I have a found-footage horror feature that goes into production early this summer, so crossing that one off. Then another more fast-paced feature thriller in pre-production (locations locked, still casting) scheduled to shoot in January 2022 in Mexico and then, the action thriller with a considerably bigger budget HOPEFULLY at the end of this year -- even if XYZ isn't on board, we do have other investors interested based on the quality of "Rage". I do consider "Rage" an achievement of mine and the crew ($170k budget), but it's also a stepping stone towards bigger films in the very near future.
Thanks again for taking out the time -- and I know it took a chunk out of your day lol -- to watch the movie and then comment on it, really appreciate it, Warren!
-- Michael
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