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What makes you think I don't hold up the same filter for all ancient history? Because I do
Because you don't Michael
And because you can’t
No one with a religious predisposition can hold the same caliber of none biasness as one would when dealing with, say politics or world views.
You simply cannot say you have mastered the feat of being the only human being on earth that can put religion in the same categories and be, as you put it...unbiased...
WTF are you talking about Shawn? Being neither an atheist nor a partisan of any religious faith, I don't have a religious predisposition so I don't understand how you can say that I'm biased about it. The fact that I don't believe in Christianity is no different than the fact that I don't believe in Hinduism or Judiasm. There's no bias there.
There's not two standards at work here. Something written within the lifetime of the eyewittnesses to the event seem to be more reliable that something written 400 years after the fact.
It sounds like you don't want to believe anything wasn't written as it happened. Unfortunately, CNN didn't exist then. Few originals of ancient writing survived.
I'm keeping this about facts and not faith. There's a wealth of sources and I just refereced two of them. I'm not making some attempt to pass something off as fact that isn't. If you want, I can provide source material, experts in that particular field and other reference.
There's not two standards at work here. Something written within the lifetime of the eyewittnesses to the event seem to be more reliable that something written 400 years after the fact.
It sounds like you don't want to believe anything wasn't written as it happened. Unfortunately, CNN didn't exist then. Few originals of ancient writing survived.
I'm keeping this about facts and not faith. There's a wealth of sources and I just refereced two of them. I'm not making some attempt to pass something off as fact that isn't. If you want, I can provide source material, experts in that particular field and other reference.
I'm completely done discussing this. What you are doing is spreading viral information. Just because 20 people post the same thing, doesn't make it true.
Even CNN has posted viral material as truth when it wasn't.
Show me the original historical material and then I'll accept it as fact (especially if you can verify that material with another independent source) until then you are barking up the wrong tree if you think you are going to convince me otherwise.
Yeah, that's actually pretty easy to argue against. The Bible was written in several languages and people can still study it in it's original languages.
However, he never made a specific reference to what was added, deleted or who specifically picked it apart.
It's easier to just say "the book's really old...the stories were oral tradition for awhile so there's no way they kept the stories straight...so don't believe any of it" than actually study how it came to be.
You're posting links to scripture. For you to say there's a big difference give us less reason to respect you and what you say. But in regards to your LINK, let's just say that we won't give in to terrorist threats.
Show me the original historical material and then I'll accept it as fact (especially if you can verify that material with another independent source) .
It's called THE HOLY BIBLE
And a billion people will attest to its authenticity...
You and your bible quotes are saying that if I don't follow your beliefs, I'll be punished.
From dictionary.com:
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terrorism [ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
And a billion people will attest to its authenticity...
Shawn.....><
And which version of the Bible would you be talking about: Catholic, one of numerous Protestant ones, Orthodox or Mormon? They are all different.
A billion Indians believe Hindu Scriptures are authentic too. What do you think?
A thousand and some years ago most of the population believed the world was flat and that the sun and planets circled around the earth, it was accepted as fact, but it isn't. People draw erroneous conclusions all the time based on what they believe.
There's plenty there, Cornetto. I'm not really convinced you are open to studying the material, but if given a few days, I can compile some stuff. I know where to go and who to ask for such things.
However, there's a contrarian view on everything. I even remember seeing an interview 15 years ago with a scientist that insisted saying the world was flat and not round. The bottom line is, it won't matter what I send you, will it?
It's funny 'cuz it's true. You and your bible quotes are saying that if I don't follow your beliefs, I'll be punished.
Phil
I'd be worried too, if I were you, Phil.
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 3:18
It's a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
But if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall ber saved. Romans 10:9
Btw, this is not terrorism, Phil. It's just the truth. I'm sorry if it intimidates you. I understand your position.
Seriously, can we let this go? It's been going on for two fucking days. Neither side is going to change their minds because the other side says to. I mean, take your beliefs and be happy with them somewhere off of this thread (which was a huge mistake to make in the first place).
There's plenty there, Cornetto. I'm not really convinced you are open to studying the material, but if given a few days, I can compile some stuff. I know where to go and who to ask for such things.
However, there's a contrarian view on everything. I even remember seeing an interview 15 years ago with a scientist that insisted saying the world was flat and not round. The bottom line is, it won't matter what I send you, will it?
If you could prove to me that the material was from an unbiased source i.e. not Christian then I would be more than happy to take a look at it. However, from my limited research into this matter I would say that task is going to be rather difficult to achieve.
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