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marnieml
Posted: January 15th, 2015, 5:03pm Report to Moderator
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Hopefully this doesn't turn into another bashing of people who think contests are worth the risk.

I thought this was pretty interesting. Nicholl gave their readers an updated list of their guidelines. Pretty insightful into what the most prestigious contest out there is looking for. I love the "Meaning and Magic" part.

https://brainfluffsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/nicholl-reader-guidelines.jpg


  
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Scar Tissue Films
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I would strongly disagree with onr of those.

The assumption that a central character has to change. This is factually, as well as artistically, incorrect.

See "Kiss me Deadly"
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Very helpful - thanks for the post


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I would strongly disagree with onr of those.

The assumption that a central character has to change. This is factually, as well as artistically, incorrect.

See "Kiss me Deadly"


I think you're wrong, Rick, and I think it's because I agree with you. A character shouldn't have to change in a script, especially if it feels inorganic. That being said, a character will change throughout the script, even if they end up back where they started.

This isn't a great example, but it's an example: Rounders.

Matt Damon believes he's good enough to succeed at poker and has $30,000. He goes through a bunch of stuff, loses his money, gets in trouble with sharks, defeats sharks and gets said money back. So, now, he's got $30,000 again and still believes he's good enough to succeed at poker. He changed almost by not changing, if that makes any sense. It's almost like something from a script my brother wrote where the main character arcs one way, doesn't like the result of that and arcs back to where they started, but they know have the KNOWLEDGE of what the other side is like. So, they've changed, but decided the original way worked best. Something like that. Perhaps if that's what Nicholl is going for, then you're both right.


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Dustin
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James Bond... always the same at the end as he is at the start.... aside from winning... yet again.


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Thanks Marnie, that was a good read. At least something to force me rewrite my own stuff.
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Dustin
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Why are the readers given guidelines? Why would they need guidelines if they are professional script readers?


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I think you're wrong, Rick, and I think it's because I agree with you. A character shouldn't have to change in a script, especially if it feels inorganic. That being said, a character will change throughout the script, even if they end up back where they started.

This isn't a great example, but it's an example: Rounders.

Matt Damon believes he's good enough to succeed at poker and has $30,000. He goes through a bunch of stuff, loses his money, gets in trouble with sharks, defeats sharks and gets said money back. So, now, he's got $30,000 again and still believes he's good enough to succeed at poker. He changed almost by not changing, if that makes any sense. It's almost like something from a script my brother wrote where the main character arcs one way, doesn't like the result of that and arcs back to where they started, but they know have the KNOWLEDGE of what the other side is like. So, they've changed, but decided the original way worked best. Something like that. Perhaps if that's what Nicholl is going for, then you're both right.



You can have what is called a "Steadfast" character. As Dustin points out James Biond is one.

Something has to change, but it doesn't need to be the central character. If the main character remains the same, it can even be the audience who has to change their views (which was how Kiss me Deadly worked...the central character was a reactionary, right wing man of action and his refusal to change led to his and everyone elses destruction..which made an obvious political point).

The genius of Kis me Deadly at the time was exactly that...because people expected the central characer to be proved right, to find out the mystery and save everyone..but the opposite happened.

A steadfast character is a well-established part of literary and film convention.
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Quoted from Dustin
Why are the readers given guidelines? Why would they need guidelines if they are professional script readers?


So true...so true.

If "Professional" readers are only making $15-$25 per script, they're making less than many manual laborers make an hour.  Just how professional can they possibly be?



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There's a writer over on Stage 32 that's just put up his thrice quarterfinalist Nicholl script...

https://www.stage32.com/lounge.....l-top-5-Read-it-here

Same script submitted 3 diff years, may hint at some consistency in the judging at least... though not black and white as the script went through revisions...

Anyways, thought I'd share.

Anthony


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Dustin
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It's only the quarters mate. I read the first page and it's well written. I could tighten things up here and there, but who cares. It's written well enough.


I'll give an example of what I mean though:

Code

SCOTTY WEBSTER, 12, trots through the crowd. He's alert,
energetic, bright. He overhears snippets of excited chatter.



SCOTTY WEBSTER, 12, alert, energetic, bright, trots through the
crowd, overhearing snippets of excited chatter.

I think mine flows better... but it's all subjective... as they say.


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AnthonyCawood
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Nail on the head Dustin... it's all subjective...


Anthony Cawood - Award winning screenwriter
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