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ajr
Posted: July 28th, 2019, 11:51am Report to Moderator
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Something I've never understood about contests... I'm not saying don't enter them - winning or finishing high on the list is definitely an accomplishment...

But why not also take the list of judges, do a half day of investigating to find their email addresses, and pitch them directly?

They're obviously the kind of industry people who will respond to new writers, if they're taking the time to judge a contest.

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How do you know the feedback isn't a waste of money? Unless the rewrite based on this guy's notes helps sell your script then it's a waste of money.

I meant that I found it useful. Whether it has a positive net-present-value in a strict dollar sense, there’s no way to know that yet.


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Something I've never understood about contests... I'm not saying don't enter them - winning or finishing high on the list is definitely an accomplishment...

But why not also take the list of judges, do a half day of investigating to find their email addresses, and pitch them directly?

They're obviously the kind of industry people who will respond to new writers, if they're taking the time to judge a contest.

AJR

Those judges aren’t involved until a script has gotten past a couple rounds of low-level readers who sort out the worst entries (and a random fraction of the good entries). Direct contacts would have lower expected quality on average.


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A potboiler is a piece of work you produce just to get paid (you're doing it just to 'keep the pot boiling') . Something you don't put your heart into.

He's basically saying you're like a hack from the 80's!


In context my guess was that it meant formulaic or cliched, so I wasn’t TOO far off.


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Quoted from FrankM
Those judges aren’t involved until a script has gotten past a couple rounds of low-level readers who sort out the worst entries (and a random fraction of the good entries). Direct contacts would have lower expected quality on average.


Yeah I get it, however the contest usually advertise who the judges are. What I'm saying is instead of joining the contest, or in addition to joining the contest, why not query the judge directly?



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Quoted from ajr
Something I've never understood about contests... I'm not saying don't enter them - winning or finishing high on the list is definitely an accomplishment...

But why not also take the list of judges, do a half day of investigating to find their email addresses, and pitch them directly?

They're obviously the kind of industry people who will respond to new writers, if they're taking the time to judge a contest.

AJR


Pretty sure they don't publish the list of judges


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eldave1
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So, I paid for coverage on the two features that didn't advance, and it did a decent job of filling in the spaces between all the great feedback I got here.

For Who Wants to Be a Princess?, it was almost point-for-point the revisions I'd made since the submission date. Thanks, khamanna and colkurtz8, your feedback on that draft was spot-on. Had it scored better and survived to the semifinals, all of those requested changes would have been in there.

Using the Princess stuff as a benchmark, it gives me some confidence that the guy (the attached bio used "he") who wrote about Glass House knows what he's talking about.

  • First, he compared it directly to "Night Gallery," which was Sean's prototype in the 7WC.
  • Second, the technical advice is obvious to me in hindsight (a lot of the female characters do sound alike).
  • Third, the stuff about horror tropes probably went unsaid here because it's common knowledge among horror writers but only clear to me in hindsight. A lot of the victims in Glass House were innocent, which makes this read more like a bunch of "Criminal Minds" episodes than a horror anthology. Apparently, horror victims are supposed to "have it coming" even if the punishment is way out of proportion.

He said, "this felt like an 80s kind of potboiler". I don't know what that means (the only horror movie I saw in the 80s was Alien), but my guess is he wants me to relate the conflicts to contemporary society. If so, that was a goal for re-writes anyway.

His favorite villain in the story was the Teetotaler while the SS-verse seemed to like Liz. What they have in common is that their victims had each done something wrong according to the villain's clearly stated (though absurdly high) standards.

So, with feedback that rates as "not a waste of money," it's actually the best experience I've had with paid coverage.


Glad you were happy with the notes.

I don't order the notes since I don't know who I am really ordering from. But if you are happy with what you got - good.


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Dave, you're right, looks as if the bigger ones don't specify the judges - I thought I remembered them doing that - however some of other ones do:

https://scriptapalooza.com/judges/our-judges/


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Quoted from ajr
Dave, you're right, looks as if the bigger ones don't specify the judges - I thought I remembered them doing that - however some of other ones do:

https://scriptapalooza.com/judges/our-judges/


Then it might be a good idea for those that are known. Couldn't hurt


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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
A potboiler is a piece of work you produce just to get paid (you're doing it just to 'keep the pot boiling') . Something you don't put your heart into.

He's basically saying you're like a hack from the 80's!


I don't think that was the intention behind the note. A potboiler is slowly rising tension until it blows the lid off, like a boiling pot.


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With the lower level judges - a lot depends on the taste of them. If you write horror (I don’T) and the judge just doesn’t get horror - its a bad draw.

Read something recently on a guy with a script - said he entered it in thirty something contest over ten years. Never made it to second round. Finally got a chance to pitch through an unlikely connection. It sold to big producer immediately. I enter but they are not the end all, be all. Most entry level readers are like us - poor writers trying to eek out a few crumbs.

“May I have another, Sir!”
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Quoted from ReneC


I don't think that was the intention behind the note. A potboiler is slowly rising tension until it blows the lid off, like a boiling pot.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potboiler

It's a common term.

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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films


But does that mean this particular judge is using the term as defined this way?  Or does he/she mistakenly think it means something else?  Just curious.


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I think Scar is right on this one. It was a 7WC with a challenging set of parameters, and well outside my comfort zone. The vignettes were basically “things I’d find really disturbing if I saw them on screen” with approximately zero knowledge of what makes a horror movie tick.

The fact that it came across as merely soulless rather than a pisser is actually welcome news

So there were a lot of formulaic horror movies in the 80s?


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Yes.

But I loved them.

In those days video rental existed. Which meant independent films could make a profit.

Blockbuster 's minimum order was 250, 000 copies of your film at around $5...so you could make real money getting your cliche rental out.
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No luck on the Page Award semis for me.  Bummer. Time for a beer. Or fifteen.


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