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Penoyer79
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on for the record.... Vic Mackey was WAY worse than Walt.
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  You won't watch the show based on its moral principles (or lack there of)? I could understand your reasoning if you watched the show. But by your own admission, you don't.  


I've seen enough, read enough and have heard enough to form my own opinions.


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Breaking Bad is the best show to EVER appear on television.


Are you sure it’s the BEST SHOW on television? Have you watched every other show on television?   I could understand your reasoning if you watched all of the other shows.   


Oh, wait…you mean in YOUR opinion?

Funny how opinions work. We all get to have one.

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I don't think Breaking Bad lacks moral principles so much as black and white moral principles. If you're looking for black and white morality, you're in the wrong place. But does the series skimp on the consequences of its characters' actions? Hell no. It just doesn't force you to feel one way or another about them. Personally, I think that's what makes the show so effective and so polarizing at the same time.


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people talking about the lack of morality and moral principles in Breaking Bad...

apparently have never seen Game of Thrones.

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Quoted from Ledbetter


I've seen enough, read enough and have heard enough to form my own opinions.



Are you sure it�s the BEST SHOW on television? Have you watched every other show on television?   I could understand your reasoning if you watched all of the other shows.   


Oh, wait�you mean in YOUR opinion?

Funny how opinions work. We all get to have one.

Shawn�..><




Sure, I think it's the best show ever on TV (which you kindly bolded for me already...thanks for that). Do I expect everyone to think the same? Absolutely not. And I think 95% of tv out there is complete garbage.

But your reasoning for not liking the show is both faulty and untrue. You're judging others for not liking a show because it lacks a morale compass. But that's not the case.

I can acknowledge a difference of opinion...on some things. If you told me Three Amigos is the funniest comedy of all time, well then, I'd have to disagree. But I can respect that. But if you tell me White Chicks is the funniest comedy of all time, well then, you have a s hitty sense of humor.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you completey dismiss Breaking Bad on all levels, then I'm going to think you have poor tastes. But once again, just my opinion.


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Breaking Bad does not glorify immorality, it exposes it.

I can say without a doubt, BB will be revered as one of the best shows of all time for its writing, execution, acting, and cinematography.  It has set the bar for TV, and if you don't believe me...just watch TV.  BB's footprints are starting to show up all over the place.
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Quoted from albinopenguin
  And I think 95% of tv out there is complete garbage.


But when I say Breaking Bad is garbage, a show in your 5% list, I’m wrong?


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  But your reasoning for not liking the show is both faulty and untrue.


That’s got to be one of the silliest statements I’ve ever heard here. You’re telling me that the means by which I select things has to fit within your line of reasoning of its faulty and untrue?  


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  You're judging others for not liking a show because it lacks a moral compass. But that's not the case.


Whom have I judged man? Seriously, all I’ve stated are my own opinions and thoughts on a TV series. Seriously, take a step back.


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  I can acknowledge a difference of opinion...on some things. If you told me Three Amigos is the funniest comedy of all time, well then, I'd have to disagree. But I can respect that. But if you tell me White Chicks is the funniest comedy of all time, well then, you have a s hitty sense of humor.



Why, because you don’t like White Chicks? Again, your reasoning is silly and you’re embarrassing yourself in front of the grownups.


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  I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you completey dismiss Breaking Bad on all levels, then I'm going to think you have poor tastes.But once again, just my opinion.


I completely dismiss it on all fronts, levels and depths! I don’t have to like what you like pal.


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I'm going to think you have poor tastes.



And I have it on good authority that I taste pretty dam  good.

Shawn…..><


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I can understand where you're coming from, Shawn.  I just don't agree with it.  I mentioned Scarface and how it glorifies a drug dealer to the point where people are still wearing the clothing thirty fuckin' years later.  Breaking Bad is different as you are drawn in by how a high school chemistry teacher becomes the lead crystal meth cook in the southwest.  

And the episode where Walter White explains/justifies his action is something you have to see.  You understand his motives!  THis is what makes this show so special.  You feel for the bad guy; this is why the failed gangster movies/Sopranos-wannabe shows fail.  They glorify the illegal activity while ignoring the characters for who they are.

Janet and I started watching Breaking Bad on Netflix after two or three seasons so we saw it all at an accelerated rate.  

It was amazing to watching Walter White's descent.  From innocent school teacher to big bad.



Bitchin!


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Quoted from Ledbetter


Again, your reasoning is silly and you�re embarrassing yourself in front of the grownups.



This made me laugh considering BB is a bit too intense for your palette.

Look, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Clearly your opinion is in the minority (amidst a BB thread anyways) and that's okay. I'm not trying to pinpoint you specifically. I'm just saying I don't trust people who can't see the appeal of the show. You fall under that blanket. Whether we like it or not, we all do that to some degree.

Let's just set aside our differences and move on.



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on for the record.... Vic Mackey was WAY worse than Walt.


Walt should treat himself to Hank's sweet butter!
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Quoted from oJOHNNYoNUTSo


Walt should treat himself to Hank's sweet butter!


Lol, one of the great lines from The Shield.

Will check out Breaking Bad and see how it goes. The library has most of the seasons i think.



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I can understand where you're coming from, Shawn.  I just don't agree with it.  


Thanks Phil. A very large part of me comes from that world. I have an adopted son whose father was a meth cook for years and is currently doing 20 years. My son is also a heroin addict; whom, had I not busted into a hotel room and dragged him out, would be dead now. Jeff and I talk about this sometimes and it still amazes me how even when it seems the life isn’t being glorified on TV, it is.

I watched the trailer. It’s very impressive writing. I don’t have to watch a show to know who this guy is.



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It was amazing to watching Walter White's descent.  From innocent school teacher to big bad bitchen.


I can understand the fascination from a safe distance but up front and personal, it’s a slow razor across your heart when you watch what that decent looks and smells like when it’s pouring out of your son’s world into yours.

Let me put this on another shoe…

Phil, you were there on 911. You witnessed the tragedy first hand. What if you had to watch shows weekly reminding you of that terrible day? And what if, the show slowly started writing the pilots story in such a way that you almost started to understand their plight?  Hell, you even started to sympathize with them a bit…

You knew they had to pay, but you understood their story.

Keeping in mind everyone…this is just my opinion…

But then again, my wife and I still catch episodes of Lawrence Welk every week…

Anyway, as always, I truly appreciate your thoughts.

Didn’t mean to drone on…


Quoted from albinopenguin
This made me laugh considering BB is a bit too intense for your palette.


You haven’t read my work. I enjoy writing very intense screenplays. I also enjoy graphic, intense work. That was never my stand nor is it now.


Quoted from albinopenguin
Look, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Clearly your opinion is in the minority (amidst a BB thread anyways) and that's okay.


Thank you! I honestly thought this was a discussion on the series which can sometimes have opposing opinions. I’m quite comfortable in the minority position. In fact, I was never looking to try and assuage anyone over to my philosophies; I was simply offering my thoughts and opinions.



Quoted from albinopenguin
I'm just saying I don't trust people who can't see the appeal of the show. You fall under that blanket..


To be quite frank, I find this a bit perplexing. It sounds like you’re basing some degree of trust in a person based on whether or not they agree with your assumptions of the show. To say you cannot trust someone because they can’t see the appeal of the show, is telling.



Quoted from albinopenguin
Let's just set aside our differences and move on.


Done!

Didn't mean to disrupt the Breaking Bad party.

Shawn…..><

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Phil, you were there on 911. You witnessed the tragedy first hand. What if you had to watch shows weekly reminding you of that terrible day? And what if, the show slowly started writing the pilots story in such a way that you almost started to understand their plight?  Hell, you even started to sympathize with them a bit…

You knew they had to pay, but you understood their story.


They kind of did that over time, by showing news pieces on them 24/7.  Eventually, the news media got tired of repeating itself and start reporting anything new.

Another example is the Rolling Stone article on the Boston bomber.  People went apeshit because they claimed the cover photo made him look like a 'normal' kid.  That's what the article was about:  a normal kid who became a terrorist.

Breaking Bad isn't really about cooking meth.  And it certainly doesn't glorify its use.  Walter White could easily have been written as a pimp or assassin or a terrorist.  The main story is about his descent into hell.


Phil

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Phil,

You know I respect your opinion. Based on what you've said, I watch any episode you recommend.

Is there one in particular that brings the whole story together?

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I'll find the one where Walter explains why he did what he did, Shawn.  It blew my mind away when he explained it.  Everything fell into place.


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