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I re-watched a nifty BluRay of the film again... And I still have the same question.
Why do you need telekinesis to tell this story?
I still didn't get it. It feels in the way to me. Was so jazzed to see two sides of the same guy square off with each other.
And then it becomes about temper tantrums and identified flying objects. What am I missing here?!?
E.D.
Yeah, I just don't get it either. I was always taught that if I could take a storyline out of my script, and it still works, do we need the storyline in the first place?
This is an example of a movie that could have benefited without it.
There could have been other ways to do it, but he needs to be able to set things up so that he has to come into the past to hunt for that messiah like kid who is destined to hunt the loopers. Which is a loop issue in itself, as his hunting the kid is probably what turns the kid against the loopers as he tries to prevent the looper from going back to try to kill him and mother, or sister, whatever she ways.
I know that sounds convoluted. It's the Terminator scenario basically, but with more of a twist.
In Terminator, the kid is going to lead a revolution. So the writer needs to give this kid a special skill. He went with this telekinesis thing. What other options could he have come up with? I don't know, but this works as good as any, probably. It has to be big enough where an ordinary kid will come to immense power.
How could they kill Old Joe's wife in the future? I know it was essential to the plot but still, it makes no sense to me. The main rule in this films reality is that the mafia cannot kill people in the future and have to send them 30 years back to be executed. Without this rule, there would have been no loopers and thus no movie.
Yet when the henchmen came to pickup Old Joe they killed his wife, which is what makes him go on a vendetta to kill the rainmaker.
Can someone explain why, in the future, it's apparently fine to kill the wife but not the actual guy? Then afterwards, they set a housefire to... maybe I'm wrong... to dispose of any evidence of the wife's body? To cover up their mistake, right? By setting the house fire, couldn't they just dispose Old Joe's body this way as well?
I feel like this was a huge plothole. I really wanted to love this movie but this bit really held the film down.
Excellent point, Mendoza. I did think of this while watching. My only explanation is that the wife was killed outside of the U.S. So this no killing rule only applies to the United States. I think she was in Honk Kong or something. Somewhere in China.
Excellent point, Mendoza. I did think of this while watching. My only explanation is that the wife was killed outside of the U.S. So this no killing rule only applies to the United States. I think she was in Honk Kong or something. Somewhere in China.
How could they kill Old Joe's wife in the future? I know it was essential to the plot but still, it makes no sense to me. The main rule in this films reality is that the mafia cannot kill people in the future and have to send them 30 years back to be executed. Without this rule, there would have been no loopers and thus no movie.
Yet when the henchmen came to pickup Old Joe they killed his wife, which is what makes him go on a vendetta to kill the rainmaker.
Can someone explain why, in the future, it's apparently fine to kill the wife but not the actual guy? Then afterwards, they set a housefire to... maybe I'm wrong... to dispose of any evidence of the wife's body? To cover up their mistake, right? By setting the house fire, couldn't they just dispose Old Joe's body this way as well?
I feel like this was a huge plothole. I really wanted to love this movie but this bit really held the film down.
ONEY
Good point. The director definitely bit off far more than he could chew. My vote for most pretentious movie of the year!
Don just posted the Looper script so I started reading it.
Great read! Heaps of white, the expo is short, concise and sets it all up nicely. I haven't seen the film but you just picture Bruce as Joe does his stuff. Also kept thinking of the The 5th Element and 12 Monkeys, again because of the Bruce connection.
Anyway, things started going apeshit for me when the older Joe comes back and escapes. The plot seems to become very complex and I actually lost track of what the fuck was going on! The style of the writing may have contributed as it was done in a sort of casual tone. There were actually grammatical errors in it.
I kept reading it till about three qtrs but the enjoyment was gone. I'll re-read from the tricky bit and see what happens.
Even though it's quite unique in its setup and plot, it also feels very by the numbers. I'm talking about various relationships and characters. Almost as if certain "things" just had to be included here, which for me, is a mistake.
(the mob? For reals? C'mon now...).
From the very first, the concept presented in the trailers has kept me at arms length from this movie, and I haven't seen it yet as a result. I got the distinct feeling that the very concept would be so out-there/convoluted, that it would be little more than a showcase of flashy visuals and big names to hide a shallow premise. Leading to point two, there... really? The mob? I reacted the same way, Dreamscale. Kudos. For so long, they've gotten away with what they do just fine. Do they really need to go to such great lengths - to the energy expenditure of ripping holes in space time - to whack somebody? Erhm ughh arrgaagrrr... I'll see it.... yeah, I'll see it, because I breathe sci-fi, and if I don't get enough of it over a period of time, sure, I turn blue and die, eyes bulging out of my head... but probably only once it falls into my lap. I'll have to leave real judgments for later, but this is one that did not seem to have enough going for it at its heart to even pull me into the seat.
No one gets my money for free.
Also, I make my own currency, but it's not recognized by most countries (as of yet). The island of Nauru does, apparently, but that place is made of petrified bird poop, and is divided up into square inches so that the Russian Mob can launder money. Now there's a mob... and well, probably the only proof that the mob CAN, on occasion, put their hands into pretty convoluted schemes... and bird poop.
My hat is off to young Pierce Gagnon, as Cid, who grows up to be the evil "Rainmaker". In all seriousness, I'd say his performance was one of the best by a child that I can remember.
Cannot agree more. The child was a solid actor. He really does need more praise.
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