Quoted from bert There is red paint on the doors -- somebody speculates that "the wolves did it" -- another character says, with all seriousness, "Wolves can't reach that high." What?? Since when can wolves even paint?  This movie is full of lunatic stuff like that..

I haven't seen this movie yet, but I don't see why I shouldn't chime in....

In this particular case, could it be that the characters are just stupid and not the director, producer, etc?  Sometimes, there are simply stupid characters in a story.


Phil

Quoted from dogglebe I haven't seen this movie yet, but I don't see why I shouldn't chime in.... In this particular case, could it be that the characters are just stupid and not the director, producer, etc?  Sometimes, there are simply stupid characters in a story.

Honestly, the way I saw the point with the wolves and painting was that these creatures did not look like wolves at all, but these weird nightmarish creatures and "wolves" was the best description they had. I mean, there was a territorial dispute with them; can't happen with real wolves. They get upset only when their territory is encroached; also can't happen with wolves. They don't invade the Village unless provoked; also can't happen with wolves. I saw their wolf description as their best guess of how to refer to these creatures they have this uneasy truce with.

Whew, that's as non-spoiler as I can get there.

That's probably exactly how the author intended it.  The problem with huge reveals, is  it lowers the re-watchability of the movie.

Phil, it really depends on the old monster movie and how old lol.

Anyone seen Mothman Prophesies?

Tony, go right ahead, I'd love to hear about them.

On sequels I guess my questions is more, Why do they make horrible sequels.  With a little extra effort they could make them worth while, or make an excellent new movie.

Sara

There was a thread about sequels that I had started some time ago.

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-screenwrite/m-1121238170/

I am a fan of sequels, and there are some films I didn't start watching until it had a sequel (Pitch Black being a big example). James Cameron is an excellent example of a good sequel having scored with both Aliens and Terminator 2. The Godfather Part II is the only sequel to score big at the Oscars.

I think sequels bomb because the writers try to rewrite the first movie instead of writing a new one with the stuff we want to see -- more development.

I will check it out.  There are several excellent sequels.  

And you are probably right, they do try to rewrite the first one, or just try to make a story out of nothing, or use nothing for a story, one of the two.

Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick were good, I enjoyed them.  Was there one before Pitch Black???   Although in Chronicles it seems like everyone got their hair cuts from a weed wacker, gotta watch out for those things.

I never said there weren't good ones, I just wondered why they make bad ones, because there is ample proof that several sequels work and are sometimes even better than the first.

Quoted from IceRose Phil, it really depends on the old monster movie and how old lol.

Sometime in the 1940s.


Phil

Quoted from George Willson I think sequels bomb because the writers try to rewrite the first movie instead of writing a new one with the stuff we want to see -- more development.

Similarly, I always felt that sequels bomb because some movies are complete in and of itself.  The writer isn't thinking of a sequel and wraps up the story.  Franchises like Batman, Superman, Spiderman and X-men are written with sequels in mind.  Sequels will work.  Other franchises like Jaws, Halloween and Cheaper By The Dozen were wrapped up in thte first movie.  The writer/studio  should consider whether there is a sequel in the future.


Phil

Quoted from IceRose Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick were good, I enjoyed them.  Was there one before Pitch Black???   Although in Chronicles it seems like everyone got their hair cuts from a weed wacker, gotta watch out for those things.

Pitch Black was first. There was a short inbetween story called Dark Fury. The Chronicles of Riddick is the most recent one, though there have been rumors of another one. Either PS2 or Xbox has a video game prequel called Butcher Bay.

Riddick is not the first to pull the video game crossover, though. To get the full story of the Matrix, you have to watch The Matrix, watch the Animatrix (most specifically for this plotline, Last Flight of the Osiris), play the video game Enter th Matrix, and then watch Reloaded as you play parts of the video game since Enter the Matrix follows Ghost and the pilot chick Morpheus is sweet on (forgot her name) and parallels partsof Matrix Reloaded. There are also Matrix comic books which deepen that universe and to follow to coincide with the other stories, there is The Matrix online. Now THERE'S a franchise.

Quoted from dogglebe Similarly, I always felt that sequels bomb because some movies are complete in and of itself

I felt the same way about The Highlander. The story was done. He was the last one. I've never watched the sequels, so I don't know how they manage to pull a continuing storyline out of their butts, but I'm sure something was concocted that ruined that perfect ending. Alien3 is another sequel that pissed me off. Aliens had a perfect ending. Alien3 destroyed it.

Exactly Phil,
Those that complete themselves, should NOT have sequels.  They are pointless and show that they are merely making money on a name, and have no real story to tell.  

Highlander pissed me off.  He kills all the immortals, gains all that power then...there are suddenly hundreds more immortals???  Okay lost me there.

Okay, I have seen all of those and the game is or soon will be out.

Matrix pissed me off.  The second and third should have been Rise of the Smiths, as he was the total focus.  I have also seen/played most of the inbetween.  Can't even look at any of them since the third one came out.

They had a chance at brilliance, then blew it, pure and simple.  Smith was dead let him stay dead.

Anything I write that has a sequel or series in mind, is thought of before I finish the first and are woven in, not oh look, I think I'll write another one because I can't come up with anything new.

What is strange to me is that this is in the Collaborative Effort board...kind of a strange place to put it, eh?

That's pretty much how I work. I integrate something into the fabric of the story that makes it appear complete but upon retrospect, it becomes clear that there was a single loose end left untied.

Quoted from FilmMaker06 What is strange to me is that this is in the Collaborative Effort board...kind of a strange place to put it, eh?

I'm sorry, I didn't know where else to put it.  The discussion this spun off from was from here.

George, that's interesting, most of mine are blatantly visible.  Some I leave a twist at the end that leaves it a little open and that I have no intention of ever writing a sequel, I just want that "Hey wait a minute at the end."

Quoted from bert Is it a spoiler to say that a movie is completely idiotic?  And not just the end either -- I can't even count the number of eye-rolling moments in this movie.  Here -- I'll give you one -- out of dozens -- There is red paint on the doors -- somebody speculates that "the wolves did it" -- another character says, with all seriousness, "Wolves can't reach that high." .

SPOILER ALERT

i'll try to explain this so it makes sense...

you have to take that line in the context of the character

keep in mind bert.. that the elders were the ones putting red paint on the doors dressed as the creatures... they had used the "wild animal" for the small animals turning up dead (William hurts character said he didnt know who was killing the small animals suspected it some someone else)

the character who said "wolves cant jump that high" was an elder... in the context of the character... she was simply pointing out... their wild animal story was not going to work any longer

thats how i took that line anyway after re-watching it

Hero, we were trying to avoid spoilers of The Village in this thread. There is an entire other thread for a spoiler discussion.

Quoted from IceRose Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick were good, I enjoyed them.  Was there one before Pitch Black???   Although in Chronicles it seems like everyone got their hair cuts from a weed wacker, gotta watch out for those things.

While I liked Pitch Black, I didn't like Riddick at all.

In Pitch Black, Riddick was a thinker.  He made the characters thinks.  He made the viewers think.  In Riddick, he just played an bland action figure.


Phil