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That bill board from I Am Legend is about to become reality, according to announcement by Warner Bros at Comic Con. Batman and Superman in a team up film.
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huh?  Confused.

any more details?
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What, Justice League? They already announced that. 2015. Or is this going to be a different film with only Batman and Superman?

I wonder if this means they're still doing the Batman reboot in 2015.
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Why do they bother with this shit?



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I wonder if this means they're still doing the Batman reboot in 2015.


where did you hear this?
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where did you hear this?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877830/

There's an imdb page for it, but it could just be a rumor.

And I hope it is. They need to stop retelling the same origin stories.
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Heard about The Justice League, but this doesn't seem to be that:

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/07/20/dc-warner-bros-comic-con-superman-batman/
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Quoted from crookedowl


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877830/

There's an imdb page for it, but it could just be a rumor.

And I hope it is. They need to stop retelling the same origin stories.


No, I think they know that Nolan's trilogy will always be the definitive Batman films...

They will probably go a different route, like the comics, where as Nolan's films were more reality based.
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It was announced at Comic-Con:

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/batman-superman-unite-man-steel-sequel-202900897.html

I think a World's Finest movie (or team up) would be a good step toward a Justice League movie.


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I heard rumors about a month ago that hinted of a non-JL Superman/Batman film.  You can't go wrong $$$ wise, we're talking about two of the most legendary super heroes ever made.  Wasn't sure myself if they were going to go through with it, but I guess this confirms it.  
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Since Snyder, Goyer, and Nolan did such a great job with Man of Steel.

Not for me. Haha.
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I hope they make it edgey... and focus on their philosophical differences. I don't believe they should like eachother, but be forced to work together because of a common enemy.

I can't wait to see Clark Kent try and tap some Louis Lane ass when Bruce Wayne is putting his billion dollar pimp on.

or the look on Superman's face when Batman serves up a dish of his own violent brand of vigilante street justice.
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So which city will, again, be completely obliterated without people noticing the devastation? Gotham or Metropolis?

Which villain? Are we going to do Zod again--despite his demise? Luthor, again? Joker, again?

This is an interesting combination of characters, but I think Hollywood's all out of steam going into it. Not just Warners, but EVERYBODY. Kinda jaded after reading that Save the Cat! article on Slate.


"I remember a time of chaos. Ruined dreams. This wasted land. But most of all, I remember The Road Warrior. The man we called 'Max'."

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... but I think Hollywood's all out of steam going into it. Not just Warners, but EVERYBODY.


Heard about this on the radio today - apparently Zack Snyder's up to direct again. Expect investment in characters --- not.

I thought, first off, that they'd be in partnership, but then Harry Lennix quoted Batman - "I want you to remember, Clark, in all the years to come. In all your private moments. I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember, the one man who beat you." ... and then Snyder witters on about how it's 'beyond mythology' that these two guys are facing off ...??!!

Well, we already seen that SM's indestructible, so he's bound to win unless batman's also indestructible, whereby we'll then just get the end of MoS whereby both guys are indestructible ... until SM wins. Stuff.

Blame Disney - they're helping to kill the last vestiges of creativity.


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The only way I'd pay to see this is if Superman and Batman just straight up fuck each other. Batcave, Fortress of Solitude, phone booth, whatever...full-on, full-costume, superhero sex. Just like, in a drunken fit of passion, or whatever. The rest of the movie could proceed as usual.

I think Goyer et al should consider it. If they wanna go down in history...
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The only way I'd pay to see this is if Superman and Batman just straight up fuck each other. .


... that's the intelligent way ... me, I'll just pay anyway 'n complain after. I always do.
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I think Goyer et al should consider it. If they wanna go down in history...


...or on each other.

I can't make my mind up, but the phone booth -- so iconic ...  
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Nolan doesn't give two shits about Superman.

Batman was his money maker, his glory.

No wonder no effort was put into Man of Steel...

However, doesn't he only have mere story credit?

I guarantee you if he wrote the script, it would have been way better.

I see Nolan get a lot of unjust flack -- a lot.

IMO, he makes great films.
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Cut to 3:20 in the video:


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I don't buy Zack Snyder's searching the whole of the DC universe thing. You can be sure that this idea was put out there a long time ago, it took until now to be greenlit.

The billboard from I Am Legend (2007) Warner Bros.

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What if Superman gets tired of the Clark Kent alter ego and decides to adopt a superhero alter ego: Batman. Bruce Wayne would get pissed...before doing a backstroke in his vault full of money.


"I remember a time of chaos. Ruined dreams. This wasted land. But most of all, I remember The Road Warrior. The man we called 'Max'."

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The big twist is that Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent are the same person.
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The big twist is that Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent are the same person.


...Kaiser Soze!


"I remember a time of chaos. Ruined dreams. This wasted land. But most of all, I remember The Road Warrior. The man we called 'Max'."

THE PINBALL WARRIOR (scifi, WIP, ~30 pg.)
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Batman and Superman switching identitites has been done to death.  In the sixties and seventies, it was a regular thing for them to defeat their enemies.


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I see Nolan get a lot of unjust flack -- a lot.

IMO, he makes great films.


This. He's one of my favorite filmakers but this group here bags on him a lot.

TDKR was my favorite film of 2012.. that's my story and im sticking to it,
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I like Nolan's films, but I hate his place in the film industry. I call him the Judd Apatow of the action genre. What he does, he does well, but when others try to do the same thing -- and EVERYONE does -- it almost invariably sucks. The gritty reboot of Batman was great, but the gritty reboots of Spiderman and Superman, and the tone of dour seriousness and clinical bombast that overtook the action genre in general, were entirely unenjoyable (for me). Batman works well as violent political allegory. Superman does not.

Nolan's hatred of 3D and his stand for non-digital colour timing are commendable, and his films are, for the most part, very good. The Dark Knight is definitely one of the all-time great superhero movies, for me. But if he'd just keep his approach to himself, and if everyone else would just let Nolan make the Nolan movies, that'd be perfect.
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I, for one, thought the Spiderman reboot was a step up from Raimi's -- big time.

Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone, Denis Leary (his best film in years), Martin Sheen, among others, were a terrific cast.  Even Chris Zylka's character grew and evolved from the typical cliche bully.

I thought it was great.  I can definitely see the new films being way better than Raimi's.  Was the reboot an influence of Nolan and the Batman films?  Of course, but I think they are heading in a great direction.

To each their own, though.  
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I miss fun superhero movies.


"I remember a time of chaos. Ruined dreams. This wasted land. But most of all, I remember The Road Warrior. The man we called 'Max'."

THE PINBALL WARRIOR (scifi, WIP, ~30 pg.)
A STAND AGAINST EVIL (short, 9 pg.)
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Quoted from DanBall
I miss fun superhero movies.


They're still around. I never thought I'd say this but indeed, I think Marvel is where it's at right now. I've never been a fan of any of their characters but I did enjoy Iron Man, Captain America, and The Avengers. Not my thing but those films are just flat out well-crafted. They're fun, well-rounded, reasonably paced even when they run long, and can have their somber moments without getting caught up in trying to convince the audience that they're high art (I think with Man of Steel and Dark Knight Rises, this was especially a problem).

That's if you're big on superhero movies, which I'm not.

That said, I don't think this Batman/Superman pairing has all that much going for it. It's a better idea than the Justice League because nobody cares about the other characters in the group but I don't think the mythos go together at all. I see lots of people exploring the potential here and indeed there're lots of ideas and scenarios that can be extracted from the pairing. But if none of them are good, who cares?

At the very least, Batman will be reduced to a worthless character. If he's on Superman's side, he can't measure up or wield the same influence and if he's against Superman, he doesn't stand a chance... which villains from neither mythos do anyway. Superman sucks as always.

It also doesn't seem like Nolan is even involved in this one, given that he's working on Interstellar and the fact that Zack Snyder is writing the script for this one. With Snyder as the primary creative force, I'd wager this is going to be a catastrophe. The guy could fuck up a cup of coffee.


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IRON MAN was fun, but not as fun as Donner's SUPERMAN. CAPTAIN AMERICA was fun for me because I knew Joe Johnston directed it and I figured it would feel similar to THE ROCKETEER and have some cool visuals. The choice to hire Silvestri for the score was nice, too. Wasn't my favorite Silvestri score, but it's nice to see a veteran composer get work. As for THE AVENGERS, it was funny, but it didn't wow me. I never 'marveled' at it like I would SUPERMAN or RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK.

A friend of mine has an idea about B/S. Superman's killed by Doomsday, but gets resurrected. When he comes back, Batman trains him on how to kill Doomsday. One thing my friend disliked about MoS was how Supes never learned how to fight. He's just a blunt instrument. My friend thought this weakness should get Superman killed, but it opens the door for Batman to come in and train him on how to fight with his mind along with his muscles. Instead of being just a blunt instrument, he becomes a super-man, the superior being.


"I remember a time of chaos. Ruined dreams. This wasted land. But most of all, I remember The Road Warrior. The man we called 'Max'."

THE PINBALL WARRIOR (scifi, WIP, ~30 pg.)
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I hate Nolan copycats. It seems like the current trend in Hollywood is to take an old story and make a "gritty reboot" of it. It's not just superheroes. I mean, what's next, "The Magic School Bus visits Hell"?

I didn't care for the Spider-Man reboot at all. It had a great cast, but it was too long and really predictable. Too many things were ripped right from Raimi's film. But I wouldn't necessarily call it "gritty".
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Is it good news that Ben Affleck has been confirmed as Batman?

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/08/22/ben-affleck-batman/
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Is it good news that Ben Affleck has been confirmed as Batman?


Lets just say I've started a grocery list:

100 cases of bottled water
2000 packs of ramen noodles
A gas mask
2 Swiss Army knives
Flint
A few porno mags


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His last superhero foray obviously didn't fair well. But he's grown as an actor, director, and as a person since then (not crazy about him in PEARL HARBOR and ARMAGEDDON, but he was great in HOLLYWOODLAND, THE TOWN, and ARGO--and he did an amazing job directing those latter three).

So if we get the early Ben, it could be disastrous. If we get the more recent, more creative, more mature Ben, it could be a classic, depending on the story.
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