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And - for anyone STILL in favor of Trump: you owe it to yourself to read a Newsweek article that broke today. Showing that - in addition to being incompetent and unhinged - Trump has a clear conflict of interest between his duties as POTUS and his business.
"This relationship puts Trump’s foreign policies in conflict with his financial interests. Earlier this year, he said South Korea should plan to shoulder its own military defense rather than relying on the United States, including the development of nuclear weapons. (He later denied making that statement, which was video-recorded.) One of the primary South Korean companies involved in nuclear energy, a key component in weapons development, is Trump’s partner—Daewoo Engineering and Construction. It would potentially get an economic windfall if the United States adopted policies advocated by Trump."
So you have an unenviable choice between a frying pan and a fire...
One is an egomaniaical lunatic with no experience of governing. The other is a corrupt flip flopper who's trying to line her pockets, and is allegedly a lot sicker than she's letting on.
Or is that rock and a hard place?
Don't worry Janet I hear the Canadians are very nice, and despite having a lot of guns too... they don't shoot each other so frequently.
Precisely. I just want to see what he does. Things will probably be the same... but instead of pretending to help 3rd world countries while fucking them, we'll just outright admit to fucking them and not give a fuck about it.
This might be the absolute worst thread on this forum. Seriously, if I was a newcomer and saw these pro-Trump posters, I'd be out in a heartbeat.
Anyways, fuck Trump and fuck Clinton. Fuck this year's election and fuck this discussion. No one's going to learn anything, no one's going to listen, and no one's going to change their viewpoint.
In the old days we just used to admit it... we didn't need to invent a load of shite. We just went to war. We did it mainly to rob other countries, but I suppose they had fun doing it.
We still do exactly the same thing today, although we're way smarter about it... only, our government also fucks over its own people such is the level of corruption.
Nobody really cares about enslaved Africans working the diamond mines for British and US corporations... do they? Honestly? I mean you may say that you do, but you're taking home your phat wages, driving your phat car.. shagging your fat partners (not talking to anyone specific here). How many African lives have you saved? What? You give to charity? Yet another profiteering organisation with execs taking home 6 figure salaries and 7 figure performance bonuses?
Slavery never went away, we gave it a new name, like serfdom and indentured servitude. Now it's just called 'work'.
Anyway, the issues with the world are not my problem. I'm just glad that I was born into the greatest power on the planet... because I also realise that if we hadn't of done them first then they certainly would have done us.
Fuck this year's election and fuck this discussion.
How constructive. You realize that this election is a red line choice for the makeup of the Supreme Court that will follow, right?
F a woman's right to choose? F unfair minority voting rights restrictions? F equality for LGBTQ housing, workplace, and education rights? F rights for undocumented residents?
Ugh, I really don't want to get sucked into this conversation but here goes...
Of course, we shouldn't say, "fuck it" to these issues. But honestly, there shouldn't even be a discussion about these matters. A woman should have a right to choose, LGTBQ should all have equal rights, etc. It's discouraging that we're even debating these issues when there's clearly a correct answer. European countries don't have these debates because they've existed longer than America and they've moved past these "hot button" controversies. So America is simply experiencing growing pains. The country will become more liberal and socialistic over time because that's the way every "free" country progresses.
As for this election, I honestly don't think Trump is half as crazy as he appears (and he's simply pandering right now) and I don't think Clinton is half as trust worthy as she wants people to think. That being said, you'd have to an ignoramus to vote for Trump.
Anyways, this election is more hostile and more polarizing than ever before. And threads like these divide members.
Anyways, this election is more hostile and more polarizing than ever before. And threads like these divide members.
Agree on this election, but as far as this thread goes, there's been one just like it every election year. This one, is actually more civilized so far than other year. We're keeping an eye on it though. As long as there are no personal attacks, no harm in expressing your views.
"Whoever is elected the country will not fall apart. Yes, elections matter, but the system is set up precisely to prevent dramatic and arbitrary change.
Change is easy to achieve...in dictatorships.
So there's no need to go to Canada...unless you're hunting bigfoot. Or visiting Chris the Heretic.
90% of what with candidate says they will do they will not even attempt. In some cases, they will do the opposite.
Hillary says she will crack down on Wall St. She will be the greatest friend Wall St ever had.
Trump says he is against abortion. He could care less about abortion and has no interest in messing with access to it.
Hillary says she opposes the Pacific trade deals. She doesn't...she helped set them up.
Trump plays to the Evangelical crowd. He won't touch gay rights.
Don't get me wrong, the election matters. But the truth is not much will change. And that's more of a good thing than a bad one. "
"Whoever is elected the country will not fall apart. Yes, elections matter, but the system is set up precisely to prevent dramatic and arbitrary change."
Fall apart? Of course it won't.
Dramatically change for the worse if Trump is elected? I believe so, yes.
There is currently one Supreme Court vacancy, and two current justices over 80. If you are a woman, a minority, a member of the LGBTQ community, a Muslim, insured under the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act, or receive public aid, among others, the next President will be a Supreme Court game changer, and the rights you currently enjoy will likely be affected.
There is currently one Supreme Court vacancy, and two current justices over 80. If you are a woman, a minority, a member of the LGBTQ community, a Muslim, insured under the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act, or receive public aid, among others, the next President will be a Supreme Court game changer, and the rights you currently enjoy will likely be affected.
Will likely be affected? In what way will they be affected? Is he going to rewrite all of the laws? From what I've heard of him speak he is for all US citizens. He seems like a guy who has his opinions but can also see sense and will admit when he's been wrong.
Will likely be affected? In what way will they be affected? Is he going to rewrite all of the laws? From what I've heard of him speak he is for all US citizens. He seems like a guy who has his opinions but can also see sense and will admit when he's been wrong.
Since the Reagan Administration, the Supreme Court appointees have been based more along political and religious philosophies than judicial competence. Republican Presidents appoint judges with pro-life, anti-affirmative action, anti-marriage equality track records, and Democratic Presidents appoint just the opposite.
Prior to the recent death of Justice Scalia, the votes on these issues have been close - many at 5-4.
You're correct - the President can't rewrite a law. But a President possesses the the power to appoint vacant Supreme Court seats, and that Supreme Court has the power to strike down state laws that are unconstitutional (laws that prevent legal abortions, restrict voting rights, prevent colleges from considering race in admittance criteria, etc.). If the Supreme Court has a Trump-leaning philosophy, I believe many of the rights that people have enjoyed through laws passed during the prior 60 years may be negatively affected.
As for Trump, the next time he admits that he's been wrong will be the first.
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