Not to be a nudge, but the first, real slasher was probably "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari", which came out in 1919.  It was a German film about a sleepwalker that roamed the streets killing vicitms.  Not very bloody, but great-looking, whacked-out sets ("expressionistic"), and pretty shocking for it's day.

Just so you know...

I believe in order to make it a slahser you have to have a motive to why you're killing... Maybe you're right, though... I don't know. I don't know of too many 1919 movies, though either.

A slasher to me is someone who kills for motive. BLOOD FEAST, TWITCH OF THE DEATH NERVE, BLACK CHRISTMAS, GORE GORE GIRLS, GRUESOME TWOSOME, movies as such... are slashers. JACK THE RIPPER "the original" was a slasher... I'm not to sure about a sleepwalking guy.

I'll look into that one, though. As I've never seen it before.

Damn the American film industry has already begun remaking the film you mentioned Bert... It's like they knew you were going to say it and wanted to ruin a classic as on IMDB it's top 250 films of all time.

Balt maybe you should get the enjoyment from your favorite films before they butcher them and do remakes or a sequel or two.

Quoted from Balt I believe in order to make it a slahser you have to have a motive to why you're killing... Maybe you're right, though... I don't know. I don't know of too many 1919 movies, though either. A slasher to me is someone who kills for motive. BLOOD FEAST, TWITCH OF THE DEATH NERVE, BLACK CHRISTMAS, GORE GORE GIRLS, GRUESOME TWOSOME, movies as such... are slashers. JACK THE RIPPER "the original" was a slasher... I'm not to sure about a sleepwalking guy. I'll look into that one, though. As I've never seen it before.

You don't need a motive to make/be a slasher film. all you need is a serial killer (which everyone is, in a flim like this) and you got a slasher. motive is an attempt at trying to have a reason to justify what is going on. Jason kills because his Mom was killed and because of his death by neglect, because there is a reason behind it, it is not as scary.  a killer with no reason/motive is more scary than one with, IMO anyways.

Just my Opinon, i could be wrong though.

Quoted from Old Time Wesley Wow this is the greatest idea ever...   Why don't they just make another sequel though? I enjoyed Busta Rhymes fake sickly karate. Why screw with a film people already like, if they remake Friday The 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street as well they really will go to hell... Maybe they should stop making crappy films and give this money to Hurricane survivors and the poor instead of paying bad actors big salaries for nothing.

I could see a remake of Friday the 13th happening, well because the 1st one sucked, but that could also be because i grew up knowing about Jason and when i saw the 1st one i was dissapointed the hockey face killer i knew wasn't there. also almost anyone can be Jason.

remaking Nightmare on elm st, that my good sir is utter blashpemy, you should be stoned for even mentiong it (not really) NO ONE,and i mean NO ONE, can be Freddy the way Robert Englund is, to say other wise is,well,Blashpemy. also Heather Langencamp is,was, a total babe who had some skill in acting. thats rare now adays.

Friday the 13th was the best of the bunch, only second to part 2... what are you talking about?  & I stopped taking you serious when you hinted at ANOES being good and having good acting.

Truth is... Those aren't slasher films... not really. TWITCH OF THE DEATH NERVE is a real slasher film. A BLADE IN THE DARK is a real slasher film... BLACK CHRISTMAS is a real slasher film.

Jason and Freddy are super hero's.

I am surprised you've never seen "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari", Balt.  The sleepwalker (called "the somnambulist") is under the control of the good doctor, who keeps him locked in a cabinet.  Later, the makeup for Frankenstein was clearly modeled after that of the somnambulist.

True students of the genre need to have a look at this one.  Not much by today's standards, sure, but these guys...they are the ones who truly broke new ground and paved the way for just about everything that came after.

The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari is on my very long list of things to watch. I put it there after I watched Metropolis and learned it was also from Fritz Lang. I incidentally found White Zombie from 1932 with Bela Lugosi in the $1 DVD horror movies for Halloween. Had to pick it up. It's the first zombie movie and a totally different idea than George Romero came up with for his Dead series and everything that followed. It reaches back to the revenant idea of controlled humans using voodoo, etc. or something like that.

I'm all about finding the original groundbreakers and seeing what made movies work and not work in the beginning. And for those who have not seen METROPOLIS, the special effects are unreal for 1927. Lang exposed the same scene over 30 times to create some of the stuff in there.

Quoted from Balt Friday the 13th was the best of the bunch, only second to part 2... what are you talking about?  & I stopped taking you serious when you hinted at ANOES being good and having good acting. Truth is... Those aren't slasher films... not really. TWITCH OF THE DEATH NERVE is a real slasher film. A BLADE IN THE DARK is a real slasher film... BLACK CHRISTMAS is a real slasher film. Jason and Freddy are super hero's.

I never said ANOES had good acting, i said Heather Langencamp had "DECENT" acting, which for a horror flim would be true, most horror movie actors can't act, she was decent compared to the others cast, excluding Robert Englund who just rocks.(sorry Fanboy-ness is showing through)


I should have mentioned i saw Friday number 1 when i was like 8, after having seen the other fridays before it, i was dissapointed, mainly because No Jason, so at the time,being a kid, you can see why i would think it would suck.


Freddy and Jason are not super hero's, regardless of how many times they come back, they are still serial killers at heart.

The primary problem with a lot of horror movie actors is not hat they can't act, it's that they are very inexperienced at acting and often dealing with a script that lacks in any character which does nothing for their experience. Some actors can breathe life into a POS script, and some scripts are so dead, that no life can be given to them, even if Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Will Smith, Julia Roberts, and Helen Hunt all starred in it with Laurence Olivier (having risen from the dead) playing the bad guy killer.

Most horror scripts tend to focus on the hunt and kill more than the development of characters meaning that with only bad dialogue to work with, actors are cursed to deliver a less than stellar performance.

Friday the 13th was mostly about the hunt and kill with a heck of a twist in it. It had a clever motive that is lacking in most of the subsequent parts (Two continued from one also having a motive, albeit slimmer than one). Sorry you were disappointed to not find your hockey masked hero, but he didn't get the infamous mask until part 3-D. Jason wore a sack over his head in part 2. 3-D is about when the series fell into the toilet and confused everyone when it kept going.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Couldn't have said it better.

Although, Freddy and Jason are superhero's... they are. They can't die. They're super strong. They do things only super hero's can do... Alright, alright, alright... I'll give you the superhero bit.

... But they are super villains. They are something that could show up in a batman comic book... It's absurd and just stupid! ANOES is just plain friggin' stupid!

Quoted from George Willson The primary problem with a lot of horror movie actors is not hat they can't act, it's that they are very inexperienced at acting and often dealing with a script that lacks in any character which does nothing for their experience. Some actors can breathe life into a POS script, and some scripts are so dead, that no life can be given to them, even if Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Will Smith, Julia Roberts, and Helen Hunt all starred in it with Laurence Olivier (having risen from the dead) playing the bad guy killer. Most horror scripts tend to focus on the hunt and kill more than the development of characters meaning that with only bad dialogue to work with, actors are cursed to deliver a less than stellar performance. Friday the 13th was mostly about the hunt and kill with a heck of a twist in it. It had a clever motive that is lacking in most of the subsequent parts (Two continued from one also having a motive, albeit slimmer than one). Sorry you were disappointed to not find your hockey masked hero, but he didn't get the infamous mask until part 3-D. Jason wore a sack over his head in part 2. 3-D is about when the series fell into the toilet and confused everyone when it kept going.

Yeah,sure, lots are inxperinced, but not all.  normaly i can tell the diffrence between an actor that got a bum wrap and one that really can't act.


I  know, i always refer to the Jason in Part 2 as Ku Klux Jason, because the sack, at times, looked liked a bad klans man hood. part 3 confusing? No, stupid? yes. "FT13th part V: a new begining" (i think) is were it got confusing. what the heck were they thinking with the "Jason" impersonator? stupid as heck, not to mention part 8 and in some ways part X.

I may be a Freddy and Jason Fanboy, but im not afraid to say most the movies suck.

Yes i have  rewatched part one since then (the last time a year or so ago) and found it to be a lot better than when i was 8 or so, but it still feels like it's lacking. maybe it is just me.

Quoted from Balt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Couldn't have said it better. Although, Freddy and Jason are superhero's... they are. They can't die. They're super strong. They do things only super hero's can do... Alright, alright, alright... I'll give you the superhero bit. ... But they are super villains. They are something that could show up in a batman comic book... It's absurd and just stupid! ANOES is just plain friggin' stupid!

fine i'll give up the fact there uber-untouchable and this is something comics are made of (whats funny is that as we speak a whole slew of Nightmare and friday comics are out there,new ones might i add.) but there still slasher flicks.

i just read somthing that is what i want to say but didn't think of it.

"Slasher" flick? You mean a flick in which the primary purpose is not horror but to watch people die?"-?

that pretty much defines a slasher flick, IMO. we go see them to watch the people die, not to be get spooked.

things like Jack the ripper are supenseful, not slashers, because the bulid up to the death is what gets you, not the kill.

Quoted from theprodigalson part 3 confusing? No, stupid? yes. "FT13th part V: a new begining" (i think) is were it got confusing. what the heck were they thinking with the "Jason" impersonator? stupid as heck, not to mention part 8 and in some ways part X.

It's not the movie that was confusing. I was referring to be generally thrown off by the series continuing to continue. 3-D was horrible with shots thrown in just to play with the 3-D effect. It's hard to be confused by a simple plot, but why the simple plot gets sequels? That's confusing.

okay... back on topic... who should play the new laurie?

my vote goes to andrea bowen, teri hatcher's daughter on desperate housewives. she's plain enough, but still she can be pretty hot.

i think a Halloween remake is better than another sequel. when you look back on the franchise, it's not really that great. the original is probably the best one, and it's not that scary anyway. if they make a remake, it'll be good as long as the stick to the original concept, just have michael meyers be some fucked up psychopath. why's he gotta be laurie's brother? that's too complicated for a good-old-fashioned slasher flcik. maybe the remake could actually be scary!!?? maybe that's too much to ask, though